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A lot of people that have bitched and moaned for two seasons about gratuitous fan service by the writers are the same people bitching about how Cersei didn't die violently enough.

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Just now, Guadaloopy said:

Technically, Dany did kill her.  And she was reduced to blubbering for her own life after watching her bluster and bravado burn and crumble around her.  It was a pretty hard fall for her character.  It wasn’t as satisfying as watching her struggle for air and turning purple or seeing her being eaten by starved dogs, but it’ll do.  

No, it won't. It's a laughable decision and a complete disservice to the show and its fans. 

Some way or another the Dothraki and Unsullied need to leave Westeros either by boat or on a funeral pyre by the end of next week. No way that’s happening unless somehow Snow turns the dragon on them. 

 

I have a feeling the new seat of government will likely be in the north and there won’t be any more dragons in Westeros (save for a few unhatched eggs they show somewhere on a fadeout)

Maybe Jon should’ve taken one for the team and kissed Dany at the beginning of the show

3 minutes ago, D_Goose said:

A lot of people that have bitched and moaned for two seasons about gratuitous fan service by the writers are the same people bitching about how Cersei didn't die violently enough.

no. either someone kills her, or she wins. those are the two suitable outcomes.  two of the biggest characters on an eight season tv show don’t get to die like extras. not ok. 

1 minute ago, henrygandorf said:

no. either someone kills her, or she wins. those are the two suitable outcomes.  two of the biggest characters on an eight season tv show don’t get to die like extras. not ok. 

Hell, the extras got better deaths.   Getting roasted by a dragon would have been much better than getting taken out by falling rubble. 

Great episode...i dont have any major complaints. Thought it was very entertaining with some great moments

Pretty solid.

But seemed too easy. I expected KL to fall, but thought KL would have put
up a better fight. And thought Cersei had a trick up her sleeve. Nope. Just burn everything....0 resistance.

Love the Hound going out like that.

Dany gotta go. Or else this game of thrones is just a cycle, and now it’s starting all over again.




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3 hours ago, McCroskey said:

But beyond that I loved the episode.

I do wish Cersei had gone out with a knife to her throat.

I thought it was a great episode.  Cercei and Jaimie dying together as the world literally crumbles around them was poetic (they did die, right?), as was Arya going from an angel of death to a protector of life.  Clegane Bowl lived up to the hype.  Last episode will be the Tyrion and the Stark's taking out Mad Dany.

maybe i was distracted by all the amazing writing and fire, but what was tyrion asking davos to smuggle in/out of kl?

2 minutes ago, henrygandorf said:

maybe i was distracted by all the amazing writing and fire, but what was tyrion asking davos to smuggle in/out of kl?

was coming by to ask the same question. i assumed he wanted Davos to smuggle something to Jamie but Tyrion freed him in the next scene

I don’t get the Jaime issues. His character arc has always taken a backseat to his love for Cersei. To the point of verbalizing his addiction. 

He started as a guy that would push a kid out a window to be with Cersei, and that never changed.  He suffered as a prisoner so he could return to her.  When she told him to go take river run, he did even though he did not want to.

His personal growth is what allowed him to respect brienne and others that weren’t lannisters, and ride to winterfell to fight and then initially promise to stay, until she needed him again. 

Plus like they said in the after scenes, he told bronn a long time ago that he’d like to die in the arms of the woman he loved. He made that happen. 

Tyrion seems to be fresh out of good ideas and anticipating moves. 

Verys got so sloppy so quickly. 

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Think of all the mesothelioma claims. Late night TV attorneys are going to have a field day off King’s Landing.

I love the show.  That being said HBO writing compared to the fat man is no comparison.  If these ass hats had written the entire thing I’d have bailed long ago.  

2 minutes ago, Radical Larry said:

Think of all the mesothelioma claims. Late night TV attorneys are going to have a field day off King’s Landing.

Naw, those walls would have withstood the dragon fire if they were asbestos, and not the regular stone that crumbles and explodes when fire is applied. 

Ever since that episode where Varys showed he was powerful enough to capture the sorcerer who cut off his balls, I was enthralled to see the big reveal of what he saw in the fire and the supernatural that the red witch hinted at with him. But then he got sped up 32x and died as a dumb-dumb.

 

I thought it was a great episode.  Cercei and Jaimie dying together as the world literally crumbles around them was poetic (they did die, right?), as was Arya going from an angel of death to a protector of life.  Clegane Bowl lived up to the hype.  Last episode will be the Tyrion and the Stark's taking out Mad Dany.



Ok - the episode is about them taking her out. What about the unsullied and Dothraki? They follow her - how do you take them out? If she gets killed, you still have to take care of them somehow.


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I haven't gone back to watch this again so I may have misunderstood what I saw, and jumped to a silly conclusion.

When the guards come to get Varys, he burns one of the notes he was writing.  But I thought he rolled another one up and stuck it in his sleeve.

When Tyrion took his arm before Varys got roasted, Varys gave him a weird look.

It could have been that he was touched by the display of affection, but my first thought was that he was sneaking the note out of Varys' sleeve.

Did I just imagine all this?

I'm guessing I did because there's not much of a point to it, I would think.  Varys wasn't in possession of any info that Tyrion doesn't have.  

 

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having Cersei die by falling rocks is just unimaginable. and yet it happened. the biggest bitch in TV history with more innocent bodies to her count than the entire cast of breaking bad, and she dies in the arms of the one she loves the most, who heroically made it to her side after serendipitously running into/fighting her side piece who himself miraculously survived an event which killed everyone else around him, much like all of the other main characters before him. well, I have a a couple of thoughts about all of  this:

 

 

We've been looking forward to this bitch's death since season one; we've been wondering and debating which character whom she's wronged would get sweet revenge in the end; fucking sportsbooks were posting odds on which character would kill cersei, and in the end it was fucking none of them. it was rocks. she died in the arms of the one she loved, buried by rocks, without ever paying or being held accountable for anything she ever did. 

fuck whoever wrote that. fuck them in the asshole with a soldering iron. that is indefensible; inexplicable; inexcusable. if you gave me a million guesses i would never correctly guess what compelled D+D to do that. Shame. Shame. 

 

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Other than Cersei's death being entirely unsatisfying, this was a fantastic episode and absolutely fits Danny's character.  Fairly ironic that on the day Jaime dies, the daughter of the king he killed to save KL, did exactly what Jaime prevented her father from doing.  Awesome.

My only concern about taking out Cersei, is they'll have to kill Drogon, too.  I like Drogon.

5 hours ago, D_Goose said:

A lot of people that have bitched and moaned for two seasons about gratuitous fan service by the writers are the same people bitching about how Cersei didn't die violently enough.

Forget it, Goose; it's surlytown.

5 hours ago, Fat Bastard said:

Maybe Jon should’ve taken one for the team and kissed Dany at the beginning of the show

All he had to do was throw her the dick.   Pound that ass and all is good.  Jon is the dumbest bastard on the show......

 

 

yes yes I know he’s not a bastard. 

Oh right, sorry, blame the Dragon not the rider. Lemme guess, you want a dragon ban in Westeros to prevent further bloodshed.

28 minutes ago, DigglerontheHoof said:

Other than Cersei's death being entirely unsatisfying, this was a fantastic episode and absolutely fits Danny's character.  Fairly ironic that on the day Jaime dies, the daughter of the king he killed to save KL, did exactly what Jaime prevented her father from doing.  Awesome.

My only concern about taking out Cersei, is they'll have to kill Drogon, too.  I like Drogon.

Dragon, the ultimate party animal. 

3 hours ago, wutang75 said:

Ok - the episode is about them taking her out. What about the unsullied and Dothraki? They follow her - how do you take them out? If she gets killed, you still have to take care of them somehow.


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All that and Drogon

Surly - This season has totally sucked. Such horrible writing on a character driven show.

[Fire and explosions and shit.]

Surly - Just-When-I-Think-You-Couldnt-Possibly-B




When Tyrion took his arm before Varys got roasted, Varys gave him a weird look.
It could have been that he was touched by the display of affection, but my first thought was that he was sneaking the note out of Varys' sleeve.
 


I thought the hand touch was pretty weird myself, this Theory might make sense. But who would he be sending a raven to? Who doesn't already know that can even help? The note that he was writing earlier was just saying who he thought had the best claim to the throne.

He and Tyrion had a history together. It was a touch of affection before varys died. This isn't going to have cloak and dagger shit.

6 hours ago, utxmike05 said:

Pretty solid.

But seemed too easy. I expected KL to fall, but thought KL would have put
up a better fight. And thought Cersei had a trick up her sleeve. Nope. Just burn everything....0 resistance.

Love the Hound going out like that.

Dany gotta go. Or else this game of thrones is just a cycle, and now it’s starting all over again.




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Why’d you expect that?   Stannis was whipping the shit out of them until Tyrion jumped in

The best anti-Scorpion tactic was going in low, having them depress and fire in a hurry and then waste em while reloading.

Yeah. I’ve seen a lot of “Drogon was ineffectual against the Scorpion but now somehow destroys them” in a few narratives about the show. I think the strategy changed. She came in with the sun at her back fast and then hit the deck. They hurried their shot and she destroyed them during the reload.

When they took out dragon #2 it was a surprised. It’s not a huge leap of faith that she came with a strategy to counter their ability.

I was expecting a hidden scorpion in the tower to take a shot when the dragon got close but that didn’t happen.
5 hours ago, Pato del Muerto said:

Naw, those walls would have withstood the dragon fire if they were asbestos, and not the regular stone that crumbles and explodes when fire is applied. 

Yeah, they should have used the stones that Jon was able to duck behind constantly when the undead dragon was breathing fire at him. They were indestructible.

The only satisfying thing about Cersei’s death is that she had just proclaimed it Infrastructure Week the day before.

1 hour ago, Bigbend1812 said:

All he had to do was throw her the dick.   Pound that ass and all is good.  Jon is the dumbest bastard on the show......

yes yes I know he’s not a bastard. 

He should be dead multiple times over. Melisandre, Sansa, Arya and Dany all save him from death. In some cases multiple times. Then they write his character so stupidly that they want us to believe he doesn't want the throne and decides to the one thing that will guarantee he challenges for it by having his crippled brother tell his teenage sisters the biggest secret in Westeros.

He fucking sucks

37 minutes ago, HenryJames said:

Surly - This season has totally sucked. Such horrible writing on a character driven show.

[Fire and explosions and shit.]

Surly - Just-When-I-Think-You-Couldnt-Possibly-B

Too much action.  Not enough action.  Too slow.  Too fast.   

 

Too convenient.   Not convenient enough 

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4 hours ago, Augustus said:

I haven't gone back to watch this again so I may have misunderstood what I saw, and jumped to a silly conclusion.

When the guards come to get Varys, he burns one of the notes he was writing.  But I thought he rolled another one up and stuck it in his sleeve.

When Tyrion took his arm before Varys got roasted, Varys gave him a weird look.

It could have been that he was touched by the display of affection, but my first thought was that he was sneaking the note out of Varys' sleeve.

Did I just imagine all this?

I'm guessing I did because there's not much of a point to it, I would think.  Varys wasn't in possession of any info that Tyrion doesn't have.  

 

You are giving the writers too much credit to have any sort of complex story twist or surprise. There was a damn coffee cup in the previous episode. 

 

19 minutes ago, SurlyORama said:

Yeah, they should have used the stones that Jon was able to duck behind constantly when the undead dragon was breathing fire at him. They were indestructible.

That was cold fire. It works best against asbestos stone.

20 minutes ago, SurlyORama said:

Yeah, they should have used the stones that Jon was able to duck behind constantly when the undead dragon was breathing fire at him. They were indestructible.

It wasn’t the fire that knocked the stones down

7 hours ago, LonghornSean said:

Entertaining to watch, but for Dany to do that in such violent fashion really has little to no justification based on what we've seen in the show from her character and from recent events.

She burns people who betray her. Fine. She burns people in the way of her getting the Iron Throne. Sure. But indiscriminately burning the city and murdering its people?  All because she was betrayed by Varys (and by proxy Sansa, Tyrion and Jon), and Missandei died?

Next week she better not be displaying any kind of sanity or sense, because that switch got flipped pretty easily. I mean she had the battle won and a chance to take the Throne with as few casualties as were probably possible and she just decided "fuck it, I am a crazy Targaryen. burn them all."

Her mother died giving birth to her.

Her father was murdered, stabbed in the back by his sworm protector, Jamie Lannister

Her eldest brother Rhaegar was killed by Robert Baratheon. Rhaegar's wife and children were murdered by the Lannisters during the sack of King's Landing. 

The Lannisters forced her and her brother to flee across the Narrow sea to Pentos. 

She was sold to a foreign horse worshipper who basically rapes her on her wedding night. 

Her baby was stillborn. Her husband died 

The Lannisters try to kill her again

Cersei promises to send troops to help with Night Walkers, doesn't. 

Cersei/Euron kill one of her dragons with Scorpion arrows. 

Cersei cuts the head off her best friend Meisandre. 

 

Yeah....just flipped the switch there. 

 

 

4 hours ago, Augustus said:

I haven't gone back to watch this again so I may have misunderstood what I saw, and jumped to a silly conclusion.

When the guards come to get Varys, he burns one of the notes he was writing.  But I thought he rolled another one up and stuck it in his sleeve.

When Tyrion took his arm before Varys got roasted, Varys gave him a weird look.

It could have been that he was touched by the display of affection, but my first thought was that he was sneaking the note out of Varys' sleeve.

Did I just imagine all this?

I'm guessing I did because there's not much of a point to it, I would think.  Varys wasn't in possession of any info that Tyrion doesn't have.  

 

Like what the fuck is Varys going to write. Dany has a shady past of underage sex with adults? She's got an itch no man can scratch? Suggest a grand jury be convened in the event of my death. Dragon not inspected, has a loose scale on its chest?

1 minute ago, Neonmoon said:

Her mother died giving birth to her.

Her father was murdered, stabbed in the back by his sworm protector, Jamie Lannister

Her eldest brother Rhaegar was killed by Robert Baratheon. Rhaegar's wife and children were murdered by the Lannisters during the sack of King's Landing. 

The Lannisters forced her and her brother to flee across the Narrow sea to Pentos. 

She was sold to a foreign horse worshipper who basically rapes her on her wedding night. 

Her baby was stillborn. Her husband died 

The Lannisters try to kill her again

Cersei promises to send troops to help with Night Walkers, doesn't. 

Cersei/Euron kill one of her dragons with Scorpion arrows. 

Cersei cuts the head off her best friend Meisandre. 

 

Yeah....just flipped the switch there. 

 

 

You left out the Jon snow stuff.  That didn’t help either.    This has been foreshadowed for a while.   She ordered her brothers head to be melted off.  CraZy b

Y'all all forgetting what Jaime was going to Cersei for in this episode? He went back as much to help Tyrion as he did to save sis. Just because they rang the bells before he could get to her doesn't mean he didn't intend to try to convince her to ring them. I would say that it was a fitting ending for his character arc. And anybody who expected a really satisfying death for Cersei hasn't been paying that much attention.

7 minutes ago, Neonmoon said:

Her mother died giving birth to her.

Her father was murdered, stabbed in the back by his sworm protector, Jamie Lannister

Her eldest brother Rhaegar was killed by Robert Baratheon. Rhaegar's wife and children were murdered by the Lannisters during the sack of King's Landing. 

The Lannisters forced her and her brother to flee across the Narrow sea to Pentos. 

She was sold to a foreign horse worshipper who basically rapes her on her wedding night. 

Her baby was stillborn. Her husband died 

The Lannisters try to kill her again

Cersei promises to send troops to help with Night Walkers, doesn't. 

Cersei/Euron kill one of her dragons with Scorpion arrows. 

Cersei cuts the head off her best friend Meisandre. 

 

Yeah....just flipped the switch there. 

 

 

Yeah, this.  She's made a march to King's Landing nuking everything in her path.  This was the plot the entire series.  Not sure why people think it was a flip.


Yeah. I’ve seen a lot of “Drogon was ineffectual against the Scorpion but now somehow destroys them” in a few narratives about the show. I think the strategy changed. She came in with the sun at her back fast and then hit the deck. They hurried their shot and she destroyed them during the reload.

When they took out dragon #2 it was a surprised. It’s not a huge leap of faith that she came with a strategy to counter their ability.

I was expecting a hidden scorpion in the tower to take a shot when the dragon got close but that didn’t happen.


There were about 100 ships. She didn’t have the sun to her back for all of them.

And why even bother with the ships? They were harmless and only increased the odds that she’d get Drogon killed.

But it was very fortuitous that all the scorpions were located at the perimeter of the city.

I will give them this: they watched their Bands of Brothers and learned how to take out a trench.
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There were about 100 ships. She didn’t have the sun to her back for all of them.

And why even bother with the ships? They were harmless and only increased the odds that she’d get Drogon killed.

But it was very fortuitous that all the scorpions were located at the perimeter of the city.

I will give them this: they watched their Bands of Brothers and learned how to take out a trench.

 

Should they have been in the middle of the city?   Looked pretty crowded 

I think that cersei's death was more in keeping with the show than any of the crap we saw in the previous four episodes. Just like nobody predicted how Ned would die or the events of the Red Wedding, everybody was assuming that she would have some horrible death with Justice being served. In the end, it was still pretty horrible for her to watch everything she had worked so hard for crumble around her and to die along with her incestuous love of her life and her unborn child. A quick beheading or stabbing wouldn't have allowed her to see all of her plans get burned up in the matter of about a half hour.

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