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80K plus didn't just sit out because of the weather.  That's the total.  

image.thumb.png.9c41b033df3cef607a40c889afebf4be.png“I’m not racist but” followed by vomiting racist shit about a guy born in Ohio. 

IIRC, Iowa was also pretty big in starting and continuing a 'rails to trails' program repurposing unused RR tracks to bicycle/hiking trails. When I lived in Nebraska, they had some of those and it was really nice.

The glaciated areas in those states (WI/Iowa) are very unique and fun to explore. Devil's Lake (the natural parts not the touristy parts) was fun to hike. Driving along the Mississippi in the fall before the rains came and dropped the leaves was another. We didn't have much $$ so we would find little day trips here and there to get away and like you said, quite a few fun places to spend a day.

Back to the caucus though, I've derailed this enough I suppose!

8 minutes ago, Js1 said:

image.thumb.png.9c41b033df3cef607a40c889afebf4be.png“I’m not racist but” followed by vomiting racist shit about a guy born in Ohio. 

Trying to thread the needle for voters that are so racist that they might vote for you to try to seem not so racist is some tough sledding.

2 minutes ago, troph said:

It’s easy, hate the people they hate. Yo! You hate western hemisphere brown people and those queers. I’m eastern hemisphere brown we are ok. Let’s hate the same people together !! 

Except that you lost most of those voters with the word "hemisphere". They don't know or care where he came from, just that he's brown with a name they can't pronounce.

Why can't the GOP Dems nominate someone better than Trump Biden? 

 

/both siders probably 

Maybe this fucking regarded voters who answer polls will now start to realize Donald Trump will be the GOP nominee.  Since, on average, 1/3 of them think it will be someone else.

It won't be.  You fucking idiots. 

37 minutes ago, troph said:

A long time ago I had a hope to retire to the Texas hill country. sitting on an oversized porch in a rocking chair with a Texas brewed beer in my hand in the warm spring when thunderstorms roll through and rain comes down around the live oaks is something I’ll have to replace. Some parts are ok because of migration but the true small towns are not. Climate and politics will drive us elsewhere.  Good people exist and I guess to an extent these are good people but they might as well be looking to shoot me down in broad daylight because their rhetoric, their beliefs and their vote is almost as dangerous. 

I totally get this... when we drive through Texas to get to NM or CO, you quickly see that rural areas are not only falling apart but filled with plenty of extremist types, some of which are more than happy to let you know how crazy they are (exhibit A below, driving from the east into Winters, TX).  Not to mention, cute little towns like Wimberley have been coopted by straight up fascists and neo-nazis (https://www.austinchronicle.com/news/2023-12-29/south-of-austin-white-supremacist-groups-are-flourishing/)

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46 minutes ago, Mrs Whiggins said:

IIRC, Iowa was also pretty big in starting and continuing a 'rails to trails' program repurposing unused RR tracks to bicycle/hiking trails. When I lived in Nebraska, they had some of those and it was really nice.

The glaciated areas in those states (WI/Iowa) are very unique and fun to explore. Devil's Lake (the natural parts not the touristy parts) was fun to hike. Driving along the Mississippi in the fall before the rains came and dropped the leaves was another. We didn't have much $$ so we would find little day trips here and there to get away and like you said, quite a few fun places to spend a day.

Back to the caucus though, I've derailed this enough I suppose!

We have a ton of rail trails.  Within 30 miles of my house there are about 180 miles of rail trails, both in Iowa and Minnesota.  It's one reason I have 0 intentions of leaving.

58 minutes ago, troph said:

Rural Texas was very similar. I still can’t wrap my head around what happened. A long time ago I had a hope to retire to the Texas hill country. sitting on an oversized porch in a rocking chair with a Texas brewed beer in my hand in the warm spring when thunderstorms roll through and rain comes down around the live oaks is something I’ll have to replace. Some parts are ok because of migration but the true small towns are not. Climate and politics will drive us elsewhere.  Good people exist and I guess to an extent these are good people but they might as well be looking to shoot me down in broad daylight because their rhetoric, their beliefs and their vote is almost as dangerous. 

Rural Iowans attitudes haven't changed that much - they're still very "live and let live" - they just stopped voting that way.

IMO because Facebook convinced them that if a Democrat wins an election, their dicks will be forcibly cut off and their homes will be seized and given to packs of rioting urbanites.

Edited by Al_4_ISU

Trump only getting 51% and the reduced turnout tell me what I need to know

Already fun to hear from Texas Magas that the Trump numbers are skewed because it was so cold in Iowa last evening.  

Yeah, they're from Iowa.  They do this in the chill of a winter's night every four years.  It's not Texans voting last night when it was 17* and half the voters don't own coats or gloves.  The apathy is real.  Trump fatigue is real, and not the kind that Stormy Daniels refers to as, "It's okay, it happens to a lot of guys."  

Haley should be embarrassed. In general, bc she sucks, but also bc she finished 2nd to Two Puddins 

1 hour ago, aggie08 said:

Except that you lost most of those voters with the word "hemisphere". They don't know or care where he came from, just that he's brown with a name they can't pronounce.

“I saw on Facebook where Vivek means “pedophile” in his language…”

46 minutes ago, Zonahorn said:

Trump only getting 51% and the reduced turnout tell me what I need to know

Imagine the headlines if Biden got 51% in a primary in 2024. Trump is a defacto incumbent. 

14 minutes ago, tx 3 putt said:

 

 

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17 minutes ago, tx 3 putt said:

 

 

“His supporters will crawl on broken glass to vote for him”

Except in Iowa I guess 

Wonder how many of those one-third would still vote for him. "I said he'd be unfit, not that I'd vote for a democrat."

To that question

What voters might Biden’s team want to talk to? Look at the support in Iowa for Haley, the former UN ambassador and South Carolina governor whose surging campaign attracted roughly 20 percent of the Republican caucus vote on Monday night, almost displacing Florida Governor Ron DeSantis in a state that DeSantis had made the focus of his 2024 bid. The latest NBC News/Des Moines Register poll, released one day before the caucuses, found that almost half of Haley’s voters would abandon a Republican ticket led by Trump. A review of the polling data by The Hill noted that “43 percent of Haley backers in the state said they would vote for Biden if Trump is the GOP nominee, while 23 percent say they would vote for the former president. Eight percent said they would vote for independent candidate Robert F. Kennedy Jr.” Among the overall pool of Republican caucus-goers, according to the NBC News/Des Moines Register poll, 11 percent said that, in a Trump-Biden race, they’d back Biden.

That’s without a conviction.

She has a hard cap.  The Rs that want her are nostalgic Rs for the respectability days of GHWB.  There are only about, oh, 19.1% of those left in the Republican Party.

10 minutes ago, Red Five said:

Wonder how many of those one-third would still vote for him. "I said he'd be unfit, not that I'd vote for a democrat."

They don't have to vote for a Democrat to make a difference.  They just have to not vote.

8 minutes ago, cactusflinthead said:

More stank

 

A Republican hasn't won either Polk or Johnson counties since maybe Reagan vs. Mondale, FWIW. 

The low turnout is the most interesting thing from last night. It could mostly be because of the weather, but if it becomes a pattern in the primaries that's going to be setting off some huge alarms for them. 

 

4 minutes ago, Al_4_ISU said:

A Republican hasn't won either Polk or Johnson counties since maybe Reagan vs. Mondale, FWIW. 

W did poorly or was it close?

2 minutes ago, wildcat09 said:

The low turnout is the most interesting thing from last night. It could mostly be because of the weather, but if it becomes a pattern in the primaries that's going to be setting off some huge alarms for them. 

 

The CIA is manipulating the weather to hurt Trump.  Will probably be a historic snowstorm in New Hampshire next week. /Boobert

1 minute ago, wildcat09 said:

The low turnout is the most interesting thing from last night. It could mostly be because of the weather, but if it becomes a pattern in the primaries that's going to be setting off some huge alarms for them. 

 

Yeah, I think it is an interesting thing too to put a pin in.  As of now, I take it as nothing.  If it repeats, it's something.  A lot of spiking the football on this thread on this data point way too early.

Trump's superpower is fervor.  If he's lost that, he's lost.*

 

 

 

 

*to anyone other than a milquetoast walking skeleton, in which case it will still be close.

 

 

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4 hours ago, Al_4_ISU said:

There’s plenty of cool shit that no one knows about here, especially in the part of the state where I live.  I love my low COL and unfettered access to beautiful outdoor recreation as well as having some thriving small towns with solid food options and legitimately world class breweries.
 

But our politics have gone to shit and I’m grasping at straws on that one.  I wish I could write off Trump voters as bad or stupid people, but I know too many who aren’t either.  Just got to live through this.

Sorry, but anyone who supports Donald Trump these days is a bad person. There's no amount of excuse that can get around this fact. They might treat their friends and family well, volunteer at soup kitchens, donate significant money to charity, etc., etc., but anyone who knows what that monster says and votes for him is a bad person. Period. It doesn't mean you have to cut ties completely, I still associate with some out of business obligations or the like, but in my personal life, I just can't imagine having anything to talk about socially with someone who supports the active destruction of this country and demonization of "others" (of which I am on a few levels) which covers a whole lot of people in this world. Like someone else said, they don't even  have to vote democrat to get out of the "bad person" category, they just have to vote for someone else in the primary, and if its trump in the general, not vote at all, or vote third party. Pushing the button for such a despicable human being just cannot be explained away.

Edited by 'stache

22 minutes ago, tx 3 putt said:

 

Some interesting data to sort through:

  • Turnout was 110,000 votes last night, or 15% of Iowa's 700,000 registered Republicans.
  • This was down 41% from 2016.
  • A total of 8% of registered Republicans voted for Trump.
  • Almost half of those who bothered to show up chose someone other than Trump.
  • $124 million was spent on campaign ads, equalling about $1,100 per vote.

Now, I suppose a sample size equaling 15% of the universe of self-identified Republicans is decent from a statistical perspective. But if you also consider the prolonged campaign of winning over the most committed (i.e., fanatical) voters with lots of money, I really do wonder how much support Trump will garner in the general election when only half of Republicans chose him, a quasi-incumbent, last night. 

I'm probably making too much of this because Republicans are famous for falling in line behind their guy, and I certainly don't doubt the borderline worship his most faithful followers have for him, but this all seems to point to an overall lack of enthusiasm for his candidacy among the broader public.

Maybe it was the weather; maybe it was the air of inevitability; maybe it points to his core constituency being disengaged from traditional civic participation; or maybe most people are tired of his shit.

Let's all hope it's the last one.

7 minutes ago, cactusflinthead said:

W did poorly or was it close?

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Bush barely won Iowa in 2004.  Those counties had their typical margins.

3 minutes ago, 'stache said:

Sorry, but anyone who supports Donald Trump these days is a bad person. There's no amount of excuse that can get around this fact. They might treat their friends and family well, volunteer at soup kitchens, donate significant money to charity, etc., etc., but anyone who knows what that monster says and votes for him is a bad person. Period. It doesn't mean you have to cut ties completely, I still associate with some out of business obligations or the like, but in my personal life, I just can't imagine having anything to talk about socially with someone who supports the active destruction of this country and demonization of "others" (of which I am on a few levels) which covers a whole lot of people in this world. 

I'm just not this way as a person.  I know "others" who openly support Trump.  The most obnoxious pro-Trump display in my county belongs to a Mexican family who moved here about 12-15 years ago.

A lot of the people who support Trump simply don't believe that he's done the bad things he's done.  They think it's a media lie.  They're brains are broken when it comes to politics and they live in a different version of reality on that front.  The facts that inform your take that it's impossible to vote for him and be a good person are outright lies in their world.

or simply people not dialed in on this every day (the low information voter).  if you spend you day at the shop on your feet welding and then come home to monday night football while your wife begs you to get gussied up for applebees, your vote is largely based on vibes.  same reason i supported (whoever) when i was in 8th grade.  i thought i was supposed to have an opinion and doing so covered up the fact that i actually was just blindly guessing something.

2 minutes ago, BehoId, The Underminer! said:

or simply people not dialed in on this every day (the low information voter).  if you spend you day at the shop on your feet welding and then come home to monday night football while your wife begs you to get gussied up for applebees, your vote is largely based on vibes.  same reason i supported (whoever) when i was in 8th grade.  i thought i was supposed to have an opinion and doing so covered up the fact that i actually was just blindly guessing something.

I think some of them are so blind to "Biden BAD!!!" like "Hillary BAD!!!!" or whatever that they will vote for Goebbels or Pol Pot instead.  Bunch of idiots.

4 minutes ago, BehoId, The Underminer! said:

or simply people not dialed in on this every day (the low information voter).  if you spend you day at the shop on your feet welding and then come home to monday night football while your wife begs you to get gussied up for applebees, your vote is largely based on vibes.  same reason i supported (whoever) when i was in 8th grade.  i thought i was supposed to have an opinion and doing so covered up the fact that i actually was just blindly guessing something.

There's a whole lot of that too.  The average Trump voter doesn't really understand the consequences of the vote because they just have more pressing day to day shit, and they aren't very well educated.

"This guy's gonna make America great again?  Fuck yeah!"

Edited by Al_4_ISU

35 minutes ago, cactusflinthead said:

More stank

 

People didn't show up b/c they knew the outcome was a foregone conclusion.  Every damn one of them will show up and vote for the Orange Cunt in the general election. 

Virtually everyone is a low information voter.  Scratch that, everyone is.

Trump voters resent Dems and minorities and immigrants and those with graduate degrees and anyone who they perceive sides with them.  Trump promises to get back at Dems and minorities and immigrants and intellectuals. 

That's it. 

The idea of trying to determine who has a lower intelligence level may be an interesting academic exercise.  But it's like an aggy arguing that their fans are better.  It just doesn't mean shit.   

19 minutes ago, Al_4_ISU said:

I'm just not this way as a person.  I know "others" who openly support Trump.  The most obnoxious pro-Trump display in my county belongs to a Mexican family who moved here about 12-15 years ago.

A lot of the people who support Trump simply don't believe that he's done the bad things he's done.  They think it's a media lie.  They're brains are broken when it comes to politics and they live in a different version of reality on that front.  The facts that inform your take that it's impossible to vote for him and be a good person are outright lies in their world.

Accurate. This is my grandmother. It's just a whole different planet.

21 minutes ago, Al_4_ISU said:

I'm just not this way as a person.  I know "others" who openly support Trump.  The most obnoxious pro-Trump display in my county belongs to a Mexican family who moved here about 12-15 years ago.

A lot of the people who support Trump simply don't believe that he's done the bad things he's done.  They think it's a media lie.  They're brains are broken when it comes to politics and they live in a different version of reality on that front.  The facts that inform your take that it's impossible to vote for him and be a good person are outright lies in their world.

I was talking to a Trumper in his 70s a few months ago. He was going on about Biden and Hunter. I asked him if he was concerned about Trump's 91 felony charges and his sexual assault conviction. He just waved it all off, literally. (waving hand) "Oh they're just all coming for him now because he's out of office." And that was that.

Just for reference, the 2016 New Hampshire Republican Primary had 286k votes.  

47 minutes ago, Js1 said:

The CIA is manipulating the weather to hurt Trump.  Will probably be a historic snowstorm in New Hampshire next week. /Boobert

It's the Jewish Space Lasers affecting the weather /MTG

2 hours ago, Js1 said:

Imagine the headlines if Biden got 51% in a primary in 2024. Trump is a defacto incumbent. 

"Dems in disarray"

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