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2024 Presidential Election Thread - Let's keep the party going.

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1 minute ago, TwiceHorn said:

Well, unions are definitely a pain in the ass to owners/management.  And they got pretty corrupt.  And they got pretty enmeshed with management in some cases (UAW) and began negotiating dumb stuff in lieu of pay or benefit raises.

But I don't see any other way to keep wages reasonable.

I mean, my issues with unions was always in relation to how they shit on other labor for their own ends, not how they kept companies in check,  which is a good thing. I do think they are generally in a better place now and as I said I have common ground with them.

 

I guess the other part of this is we have gone to a country that is basically welfare for billionaires.

1 minute ago, Kyrie Eleison said:

you forgot retirement benefits/pension protections and workplace safety.  
 

OSHA doesn’t exist without strong union lobbying for those protections, neither does the Jones Act.  

Yes, those are definitely all positives.

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40 minutes ago, BamaATL said:

Someone, eventually, is going to realize that more Americans want actual news than infotainment, and they will emerge and crush the current mainstream crap we have going on. 

I would watch an AI-generated version of Walter Cronkite, Dan Rather, Peter Jennings or Tom Brokaw read the nightly news over the current crop of shit any day.

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14 minutes ago, G650 said:

As I've said before, the 20th century US was basically welfare for mediocre white motherfuckers, and we are seeing the reaction to that going away over the past 15 to 20 year. Unions were just an extension of that philosophy.

Who says it's stopped?

The checks are still coming! Affirmative action/DEI hasn't impacted white economic status, and white people still enjoy all the non-quantifiable advantages they've always held. And if history is a guide this will be maintained for 1-2 more generations.

White folk with privilege just don't want to acknowledge it.

22 minutes ago, HenryJames said:

And these mediocre white motherfuckers think ‘others’ are the recipients of this welfare now instead of realizing it’s gone forever.

How is it gone?

An 80 year old white man who is showing early signs of dementia is a coin flip from the presidency.

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2 minutes ago, quigley said:

Who says it's stopped?

The checks are still coming! Affirmative action/DEI hasn't impacted white economic status, and white people still enjoy all the non-quantifiable advantages they've always held. And if history is a guide this will be maintained for 1-2 more generations.

White folk with privilege just don't want to acknowledge it.

Oh it is, its just not as extreme as it used to be.  But as I said the billionaire welfare is through the roof now

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8 minutes ago, Fudge Nuggets said:

I would watch an AI-generated version of Walter Cronkite, Dan Rather, Peter Jennings or Tom Brokaw read the nightly news over the current crop of shit any day.

Nake News with Aubrey Plaza.

59 minutes ago, quigley said:

I disagree. I know several Trump voters of different races and income levels. Some of them are really, really smart. These are generally good people who I trust. One is a close friend. The media ecosystem in America is broken and feeds this lie that we're so different.

I imagine you know several people from your time in the military that are Trump supports. Did they unlearn the lessons that brought them to serve?

Where did I say that every Trump supporter has no integrity or morals? Hint.  I didn't.

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21 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

Well, unions are definitely a pain in the ass to owners/management.  And they got pretty corrupt.  And they got pretty enmeshed with management in some cases (UAW) and began negotiating dumb stuff in lieu of pay or benefit raises.  And they absolutely did not help keep jobs in America, but the government should have been helping with this.

But I don't see any other way to keep wages reasonable.

LeT tHe MaRkEt DeCiDe!

4 minutes ago, Dbeasy said:

Where did I say that every Trump supporter has no integrity or morals? Hint.  I didn't.

"Trump and Elon have crystalized for me that there are way more gullible, unintelligent people in the U.S. than I ever realized...They also helped me realize the number of people in the U.S. with little to no integrity or morals is far higher than I ever realized."

Sorry. I extrapolated from this. Who were you referring to if not Trump supporters?

3 minutes ago, quigley said:

"Trump and Elon have crystalized for me that there are way more gullible, unintelligent people in the U.S. than I ever realized...They also helped me realize the number of people in the U.S. with little to no integrity or morals is far higher than I ever realized."

Sorry. I extrapolated from this. Who were you referring to if not Trump supporters?

some, not all. You assumed I was talking about all.

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3 minutes ago, Pancho said:

 

Ah yes, the weekend before the election when the losing campaign starting leaking to the press 

3 minutes ago, Pancho said:

 

But he just showed up he looks great in Orange.

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2 minutes ago, Pancho said:

Nope, own it mofos. 

If there was just some way they could have seen this coming 3 months ago. Imagine being so fucking stupid that you could not predict Trump would do the same horrific shit he's been doing for the last 10 years.

4 minutes ago, Blotto said:

If there was just some way they could have seen this coming 3 months ago. Imagine being so fucking stupid that you could not predict Trump would do the same horrific shit he's been doing for the last 10 years.

10 years? Try 40

1 hour ago, BamaATL said:

Someone, eventually, is going to realize that more Americans want actual news than infotainment, and they will emerge and crush the current mainstream crap we have going on.

The last time I watched the news was after the Boston Marathon bombing, when it was obvious they had nothing to say, but that didn't stop them from filling the airwaves with bullshit. 

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No, it's the berets that do it.

For the women, it’s the attitude and the accent. French women are all-timers.

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38 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

But I don't see any other way to keep wages reasonable.

Living Wage legislation based on a 40 hour work week and CPI seems like it would reduce wealth disparity.

3 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:


For the women, it’s the attitude and the accent. French women are all-timers.

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Nice collection. How are they voting? They need  a place to stay while registering?

 

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10 minutes ago, Dbeasy said:

some, not all. You assumed I was talking about all.

Of course it isn't all that have no morals or values, but I do believe that every single trump supporter in 2024 is deficient in judgement, and has something wrong with them that would bring them to support the closest thing we've seen to 21st century Nazism. To support the hate filled rhetoric alone is deficient in values to some extent. Add on top the authoritarianism and blatant violation of the law/coup attempts and there's no way any completely sane, reasonable person would support this. 

I disagree with Quigley about being able to trust anyone like that. I no longer trust any trump supporter, even in my own family. I get along with them and don't start any issues, but deep down I can never trust them for anything again. If my daughters were still small kids I'd never trust them to care for them again. That's for sure. Luckily I don't have any of them in my lab, but if I did I'd watch them like a hawk and no benefit of the doubt would be given to improprieties. 

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29 minutes ago, Dbeasy said:

Where did I say that every Trump supporter has no integrity or morals? Hint.  I didn't.

I’ll say that 

11 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:


For the women, it’s the attitude and the accent. French women are all-timers.

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What’s the French word for bunk? Cause that’s where I’ll be.

1 minute ago, South Austin said:

What’s the French word for bunk? Cause that’s where I’ll be.

Je serai dans ma couchette

There’s an episode of MST3k called Boggy Creek 2, filmed in Arkansas probably mid-90’s.  There’s a scene where the protagonists go into some general store and half the riffs sound familiar today:

”it’s the welfare moms sucking us dry”

”liberal!”

”want to contribute to our fund for the war against northern aggression?”

”want this on your klan account?”

Those deplorables have always been there, they just finally had a public figure that ‘made it ok’ to say the quiet parts out loud.  

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2 minutes ago, Al Bundy's Napoleon Hand said:

Living Wage legislation based on a 40 hour work week and CPI seems like it would reduce wealth disparity.

I used to be against universal income but after realizing how many tax breaks billionaires get and how they get free stadiums and tax abatements and all that shit, fuck it let’s do it. And have it for every person. Even rich people. And those who bitch about it ruining the economy can donate their share back into the pot to pay for everyone else. And all this shit will be funded by massive tax increase on billionaires. Of course I’m living in fantasy land. 

Just now, MrBig said:

I used to be against universal income but after realizing how many tax breaks billionaires get and how they get free stadiums and tax abatements and all that shit, fuck it let’s do it. And have it for every person. Even rich people. And those who bitch about it ruining the economy can donate their share back into the pot to pay for everyone else. And all this shit will be funded by massive tax increase on billionaires. Of course I’m living in fantasy land. 

I've been on the UBI train for years

Of course it isn't all that have no morals or values, but I do believe that every single trump supporter in 2024 is deficient in judgement, and has something wrong with them that would bring them to support the closest thing we've seen to 21st century Nazism. To support the hate filled rhetoric alone is deficient in values to some extent. Add on top the authoritarianism and blatant violation of the law/coup attempts and there's no way any completely sane, reasonable person would support this. 
I disagree with Quigley about being able to trust anyone like that. I no longer trust any trump supporter, even in my own family. I get along with them and don't start any issues, but deep down I can never trust them for anything again. If my daughters were still small kids I'd never trust them to care for them again. That's for sure. Luckily I don't have any of them in my lab, but if I did I'd watch them like a hawk and no benefit of the doubt would be given to improprieties. 

This. There are two types of Trump voters: 1) those who like the evil and cruelty to others, and 2) those who are just fine with evil and cruelty to others if they think it will provide them 1 cent of benefit.
If you enjoy making my neighbor suffer and die, or if you are cool with it because you’ll get an extra penny off your taxes, there is no meaningful distinction: you are pure shit.
We have to stop treating these people with kid gloves. Stop treating them with respect or sympathy. They deserve neither. They are EXACTLY like the Germans who went along with evil in the 1930s. I don’t care if they were one of the ones who genuinely hated Jews and thought the world should be under Germany’s boot, or if they were one of the ones who went along with it because they thought they could personally gain from it. Both groups were necessary to create the wermacht and the gas chambers. Both can go to hell.
Then. And now.

The thing is there is a third group that genuinely don't get it. I know that it's seems logically impossible, but it absolutely exists.

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15 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:


For the women, it’s the attitude and the accent. French women are all-timers.

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Back in the day I'd watch French news almost daily for my Melissa here and didn't understand a single thing

42 minutes ago, Dbeasy said:

Where did I say that every Trump supporter has no integrity or morals? Hint.  I didn't.

Um, I’ll say that. 

8 minutes ago, Hermanator said:

Of course it isn't all that have no morals or values, but I do believe that every single trump supporter in 2024 is deficient in judgement, and has something wrong with them that would bring them to support the closest thing we've seen to 21st century Nazism. To support the hate filled rhetoric alone is deficient in values to some extent. Add on top the authoritarianism and blatant violation of the law/coup attempts and there's no way any completely sane, reasonable person would support this. 

I disagree with Quigley about being able to trust anyone like that. I no longer trust any trump supporter, even in my own family. I get along with them and don't start any issues, but deep down I can never trust them for anything again. If my daughters were still small kids I'd never trust them to care for them again. That's for sure. Luckily I don't have any of them in my lab, but if I did I'd watch them like a hawk and no benefit of the doubt would be given to improprieties. 

Of course I didn't say or even assume all. And I agree, by definition, if they vote for Trump, they have poor political judgement.

I cabin my trust of everyone. I can trust some people with some things and other people with others. I have a sliding scale. Regarding your specific example of child care, I don't think being a Trump support eliminates your ability to care for children. We've had people I assume are Trump supports care for our daughter.

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Trump is absolutely not disgusted by plastic surgery. He's only disgusted by knowing it's plastic surgery

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1 hour ago, BamaATL said:

Someone, eventually, is going to realize that more Americans want actual news than infotainment, and they will emerge and crush the current mainstream crap

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When I scroll down through the montage of those four French actresses, my reaction at every photo is "I'm not sure it could get any hotter than that", four times in a row.

53 minutes ago, Kyrie Eleison said:

you forgot retirement benefits/pension protections and workplace safety.  
 

OSHA doesn’t exist without strong union lobbying for those protections, neither does the Jones Act.  

Interesting that you bring up the Jones Act. Both it and FELA (railroad workers) actually preceded most organized labor eg AFL-CIO and NLRA in the US. 

Government actually has legitimate role in these things that has been largely abdicated. 

 

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5 minutes ago, Homercles said:

There’s an episode of MST3k called Boggy Creek 2, filmed in Arkansas probably mid-90’s.  There’s a scene where the protagonists go into some general store and half the riffs sound familiar today:

”it’s the welfare moms sucking us dry”

”liberal!”

”want to contribute to our fund for the war against northern aggression?”

”want this on your klan account?”

Those deplorables have always been there, they just finally had a public figure that ‘made it ok’ to say the quiet parts out loud.  

I do think we should bring back "deplorables" and make that their scarlet letter. It's the perfect designation for these people. 

While I don't think every single person who supported trump garbage in 2016 is deplorable, I 100 percent believe every single person who still does in 2024 is. 

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He’s appalled by plastic surgery?  Stormy Daniels says hi. 

5 minutes ago, G650 said:

The thing is there is a third group that genuinely don't get it. I know that it's seems logically impossible, but it absolutely exists.

And those are the ones too stupid to live. 

2 minutes ago, Biff Tannen said:

He’s appalled by plastic surgery?  Stormy Daniels says hi. 

Ivanka-Trump

2 minutes ago, Biff Tannen said:

And those are the ones too stupid to live. 

I mean that's great to say and all, but do you also say that about people with autism? ADHD? Substance abuse illness? Other behavioral and cognitive disorders?

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@Brisketexan is right on.

So many Trump voters have their reasons. And 90% of the time it is not racist. It is personnel gain. I was working in an office of them. The owner's issue was border security, flood of the state of texas by brown people, BLM burning down the nation, etc. Go on down to the receptionist. It was taxes, rise of food prices, etc. Meanwhile I had the shittiest car in the lot (pretty damn nice Classic Cherokee), brought in my lunch (they were all off to get fast food), and dressed well (knock off T-shirts were allowed). Daughter was one of the worst. It is SOOOO HARDDDD as she takes the company RV to ACL and is mad cuz her mommies G-Wagon could not be parked in the shade.

My favorite was the retired US Army Major. Her husband took a cooshy contractor gig in Iraq. She was complaining about the cost of childcare so the only thing she could do was get an Au Pair. From where? COLOMBIA..... Why I asked, well all the whites around here are methheads. But yep, going to vote Hard R and it is the rise of Hispanics to blame. She gave me an ugly look when I spoke Spanish to our HR person (Costa Rican from Cali) and joked well guess she needed to learn so she could speak to the help. I had to walk outside after that one.

They loved to brag about all the guns they have. How they had already started planning at their gated communities on how they would guard the front gate. How many tons of seed they had. I would sit quietly and giggle thinking about this site. 1- None of these fat fucks have zeroed their weapons since they grew that triple chin. 2- None of them know shit about tactics. Cover vs. Concealment. 3- If they are all at the front, well shit, just go around the back. 4- It takes 45 days minumum to grow a fruit on a veggie plant if it ain't in the ground. So enjoy eating off your cupboard of chef boy-a-de (not knocking it at all). Oh, and gardening is not easy, which is why you lazy fucks pay hispanics to do it.

TL:DR- These fuckers are stuck in the southern plantation mentality. And it sucks and we are fucked.

 

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25 minutes ago, InkaUtexas said:

Nice collection. How are they voting? They need  a place to stay while registering?

 

you forgot one more

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9 minutes ago, safe sex said:

Trump is absolutely not disgusted by plastic surgery. He's only disgusted by knowing it's plastic surgery

How does he feel about fake tans?

5 minutes ago, quigley said:

Of course I didn't say or even assume all. And I agree, by definition, if they vote for Trump, they have poor political judgement.

I cabin my trust of everyone. I can trust some people with some things and other people with others. I have a sliding scale. Regarding your specific example of child care, I don't think being a Trump support eliminates your ability to care for children. We've had people I assume are Trump supports care for our daughter.

To each his own, but it seems having someone who supports that level of hate and sexual violence towards women watching your daughter would be like having someone who shows tendencies of pyromania watching your house. 

Luckily neither my parents nor in laws support that so I don't have that close of a connection to it, but man it would make it tough. I have some brother and sister-in-laws neither I nor my wife would trust with them now if they were still young minors. 

3 minutes ago, Jive Turkey said:

 

Great timing. The Saturday before the election. Thank you New York Times. Thanks a lot.

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From the Atlantic article

Things appeared to stabilize from there. As September gave way to October, and Harris launched a major media offensive aimed at connecting with voters who still felt no familiarity with her, Trump’s campaign was delighted to cede the spotlight. Wiles and LaCivita believed that every moment Harris spent in front of live cameras translated to more Republican votes. Instead of trying to book Trump onto major networks, where his comments might produce negative news cycles, his team arranged a tour of podcasts, most of them aimed at young men. The effort was led by Bruesewitz, the impulsive young Vance sycophant who maintained an impressive network of right-wing influencers. The strategy appeared to work: For the first three weeks of October, Trump’s internal polling showed Harris’s momentum stalled—measured in both net favorability and vote share—while Trump’s numbers inched upward.

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Technically a mid-level staffer—formally a liaison to right-wing media, informally a terminally online troll and perpetual devil on the campaign’s shoulder—Bruesewitz had grown his profile inside of Trump’s orbit. The candidate’s appearances on various bro-themed podcasts were hailed as acts of strategic genius. But there was one guest booking Bruesewitz couldn’t secure: He wanted Trump to talk with Hinchcliffe on his show, Kill Tony. When word got around that Trump was looking for opening acts at the Garden, Bruesewitz made the introductions. Trump’s head of planning and production, Justin Caporale, ran with the idea. No senior staff ever bothered to vet Hinchcliffe themselves.

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Backstage at the Garden, in the blur of debate and indecision over damage control, it was Stephen Miller who pondered the bigger picture. (Miller did not respond to a request for comment.) According to two people who were present, Miller, the Trump policy adviser whose own nativist impulses are well documented, was not offended by Hinchcliffe’s racist jokes. Yet he was angered by them all the same: He knew the campaign had just committed a huge unforced error. He believed that Bruesewitz had done profound damage to Trump’s electoral prospects. And, in that moment, he seethed at what this lack of discipline portended for Trump should he return to power.

 

Bwahaha!

 

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