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2024 Presidential Election Thread - Let's keep the party going.

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#8201

I think the squad is being strategic on this. They know it would make big counterproductive waves for them to be among the first batch of Dems to call on Biden to drop out. Counterproductive because it would allow Biden's supporters to accuse "the left wing" of helping Trump (a common tactic in the BernieBro days). I understand why they're keeping their powder dry. There's still a lot of time on the clock for something to happen.

Drip, drip, as they say.

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#8202

fwiw (nothing, probably) I spent the 4th weekend with my fiancé's family. Both her brother and sister have two small children with their spouse. One couple is finished (he got snipped), but the other is considering having another. A lot of the discussion was centered around abortion and pregnancy care. They talked about how terrifying it was to think about if something went medically wrong and they couldn't terminate. One couple lives in Grapevine and the couple considering another child is in Palm Bay, FL - two states with shitty abortion laws. They don't love Joe's age, but considering the alternative leaves them literally scared for their and their little girls' well-being, I  don't think they're gonna be pulling the R lever anytime soon. 

#8203
1 minute ago, Longhorn_Fan68 said:

fwiw (nothing, probably) I spent the 4th weekend with my fiancé's family. Both her brother and sister have two small children with their spouse. One couple is finished (he got snipped), but the other is considering having another. A lot of the discussion was centered around abortion and pregnancy care. They talked about how terrifying it was to think about if something went medically wrong and they couldn't terminate. One couple lives in Grapevine and the couple considering another child is in Palm Bay, FL - two states with shitty abortion laws. They don't love Joe's age, but considering the alternative leaves them literally scared for their and their little girls' well-being, I  don't think they're gonna be pulling the R lever anytime soon. 

They live in red country.  Their votes don't matter just like mine out here in California.  Have them register to vote in Pennsylvania somehow

#8204
13 minutes ago, closetohumping said:

Have them register to vote in Pennsylvania somehow

No shit.  Guys, let's rig the fuck out of this election!

#8208

The beatings will continue until morale improves 

INSIDE THE ROOM -- The House Democratic Caucus meeting about President Joe Biden's political standing is starting to empty out.One House Democrat supportive of Biden told me it "felt like a funeral."There is definitely no consensus on Biden. Lots of talk about how difficult…

 

#8209
33 minutes ago, Longhorn_Fan68 said:

fwiw (nothing, probably) I spent the 4th weekend with my fiancé's family. Both her brother and sister have two small children with their spouse. One couple is finished (he got snipped), but the other is considering having another. A lot of the discussion was centered around abortion and pregnancy care. They talked about how terrifying it was to think about if something went medically wrong and they couldn't terminate. One couple lives in Grapevine and the couple considering another child is in Palm Bay, FL - two states with shitty abortion laws. They don't love Joe's age, but considering the alternative leaves them literally scared for their and their little girls' well-being, I  don't think they're gonna be pulling the R lever anytime soon. 

The dark matter that is holding the current political universe together.....

Don't discount the men here, either.  Everyone talks about the women's vote but there are a bunch of right leaning dudes who want to have a bailout if necessary.

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#8210
32 minutes ago, closetohumping said:

Their votes don't matter just like mine out here in California.

STOP TELLING PEOPLE THIS

All races matter, from dog catcher to POTUS.  

#8211
4 minutes ago, Red Five said:

Is rigging a presidential election an official act of the president? Asking for a friend. 

Simple.  Harris as VP just doesn't certify the results in the EC.  That's how it works, right?

#8212

One of the replies:

"Democrats seem to have forgotten the old adage: “If you come for the king, you best not miss.” Now they're in the awkward position of asking voters to support a nominee they just declared unfit for office five seconds ago."

This feels like where we're heading. The absolute worst case scenario. 

#8213
6 minutes ago, Red Five said:

Is rigging a presidential election an official act of the president? Asking for a friend. 

Would the rigged election favor a Democrat or a Republican?  Asking for friends on the United States Supreme Court.

#8214

Hear me out - DNC about to nominate Biden at the convention, when “Fight Song” starts playing over the PA system. John King yells, “By God, that’s Hillary Clinton’s music!”

NEW national poll from Bendixen & Amandi for Politico🟥 Trump 43% (+1)🟦 Biden 42%🟦 Harris 42% (+1)🟥 Trump 41%🟦 Hillary Clinton 43% (+2)🟥 Trump 41%🟥 Trump 40% (+4)🟦 Whitmer 36%🟥 Trump 40% (+3)🟦 Newsom 37%1,000 RVs, MOE +/-3.1.https://t.co/xJYpLj8RRO

 

#8215

But I thought Whitmer would be wiping the floor with Trump!???

#8217

 

New WISCONSIN Impact Research (D)/Fabrizio (R) pollPresident 🟥 Trump 50%🟦 Biden 45% US Senate🟦 Baldwin 50%🟥 Hovde 45%

not great!

Edited by Chuckie Finster

#8218

 

JUST IN: Both Karine Jean-Pierre and John Kirby refer to President Biden’s upcoming press conference as a “Big Boy” press conference.Remarkable.KJP: “This week, President Biden will… hold a press conference, a Big Boy press conference.”Kirby: “After that the president will…

 

#8219
6 minutes ago, Chuckie Finster said:

 

New WISCONSIN Impact Research (D)/Fabrizio (R) pollPresident 🟥 Trump 50%🟦 Biden 45% US Senate🟦 Baldwin 50%🟥 Hovde 45%

not great!

And what about the Wisconsin one from over the weekend by Morning Consult showing Biden ahead in both H2H and 5-way?

You can't just cherry pick what polls you do and do not want to freak out about. 

#8220
2 hours ago, BehoId, The Underminer! said:

The full editorial board of NYT says step aside, Mr President

 

 

free link, I think. 
 

The Democratic Party Must Speak the Plain Truth to the President

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/07/08/opinion/editorials/democrats-biden-truth.html?unlocked_article_code=1.500.qTZX.VhuJ9iopRug4&smid=nytcore-ios-share&referringSource=articleShare
 

 

2 hours ago, Duane Moore said:

Didn’t they already do this the day after the debate?

Lol yes: https://www.nytimes.com/2024/06/28/opinion/biden-election-debate-trump.html

Pure, unbridled attention seeking. They still produce some good reporting now and then, no doubt, but they have been behaving like a fucking gossip column since the debate.

57 minutes ago, chainsaw said:

I think the squad is being strategic on this. They know it would make big counterproductive waves for them to be among the first batch of Dems to call on Biden to drop out. Counterproductive because it would allow Biden's supporters to accuse "the left wing" of helping Trump (a common tactic in the BernieBro days). I understand why they're keeping their powder dry. There's still a lot of time on the clock for something to happen.

Drip, drip, as they say.

AOC has shown to be a pretty skilled politician. She has a future in Democratic leadership if little-d democratic government survives what's coming.

12 minutes ago, Duane Moore said:

The beatings will continue until morale improves 

INSIDE THE ROOM -- The House Democratic Caucus meeting about President Joe Biden's political standing is starting to empty out.One House Democrat supportive of Biden told me it "felt like a funeral."There is definitely no consensus on Biden. Lots of talk about how difficult…

 

If there is no consensus, that's a decision. Biden is clearly not going anywhere and Democrats are not unified enough to push him out. He will be on the ticket barring a true black swan event. This saga is over.

Congratulations to Democrats for riling up mass hysteria with nothing to show for it but a mortally wounded presidential campaign.

#8222
10 minutes ago, Loch Ness Monster said:

 

JUST IN: Both Karine Jean-Pierre and John Kirby refer to President Biden’s upcoming press conference as a “Big Boy” press conference.Remarkable.KJP: “This week, President Biden will… hold a press conference, a Big Boy press conference.”Kirby: “After that the president will…

 

That is so cringy. Can it be more infantalizing of an elderly person? I'd say ageism if it wasn't our own party doing this, apparently unironically.

#8223
6 minutes ago, Js1 said:

And what about the Wisconsin one from over the weekend by Morning Consult showing Biden ahead in both H2H and 5-way?

You can't just cherry pick what polls you do and do not want to freak out about. 

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The cherry picking goes both ways though. There has been a clear national shift in polls since the debate (Biden was slightly ahead on 6/25 in the above graph.)

#8224
1 minute ago, The Original Greaser Bob said:

These dudes would totally make Hillary the Pres, just for the sport!

ff02d251cfc7debb370db909a7f9da1d--clash-

I think Hillary is polling so well because enough people have remorse and regret for how 2016 went down and would like to redeem themselves in 2024 if she ran. It's actually an interesting thought (Hillary 2024). I wonder if she would even consider it though, given how awful she's been treated after 2016. The knee woudl have to really bend.

#8226

Dem politicians are weak as fuck. Trump has a mile long list of bullshit including being a convicted felon and rapist, and yet the Rep politicians are fully behind him. Biden has one bad reality TV episode and the Dem politicians are trying to OD on vagisil. 

The Dems are creating the illusion that Biden can't compete with Trump. It's going to be self fulfilling. Fucking dipshits.

#8227
4 minutes ago, Vegas64 said:

I think Hillary is polling so well because enough people have remorse and regret for how 2016 went down and would like to redeem themselves in 2024 if she ran.

I've often thought the same about GWB being that reaction to GHWB losing in 92.

#8229
3 minutes ago, crash_davis said:

Dem politicians are weak as fuck. Trump has a mile long list of bullshit including being a convicted felon and rapist, and yet the Rep politicians are fully behind him. Biden has one bad reality TV episode and the Dem politicians are trying to OD on vagisil. 

The Dems are creating the illusion that Biden can't compete with Trump. It's going to be self fulfilling. Fucking dipshits.

I don't get this.  Trump sucks.  The issues isn't that he sucks or is horrible.  The issue is how best to beat him.  

I agree that it's week to "create an illusion".  I think it would be strong to create a fucking reality and switch horses. 

#8230

I feel that is Admiral McCraven could be convinced to run as a dem, he would destroy Trump and put an end to all this nonsense.

#8232
6 minutes ago, crash_davis said:

Dem politicians are weak as fuck. Trump has a mile long list of bullshit including being a convicted felon and rapist, and yet the Rep politicians are fully behind him. Biden has one bad reality TV episode and the Dem politicians are trying to OD on vagisil. 

The Dems are creating the illusion that Biden can't compete with Trump. It's going to be self fulfilling. Fucking dipshits.

I don’t think Dems can wrap their head around this, but the fact is that Trump won and is winning now *because* he’s terrible. You beat Trump with contrast, you lose with less terrible. 
2020 Joe was the decent human who will respect the law.

2024 Joe is the doddering figurehead who demands that you ignore your eyes and ears. 

#8234
24 minutes ago, Js1 said:

And what about the Wisconsin one from over the weekend by Morning Consult showing Biden ahead in both H2H and 5-way?

You can't just cherry pick what polls you do and do not want to freak out about. 

There was an Emerson poll of Wisconsin yesterday that had Trump up 3.  Trump’s been up in 3 of the 4 post-debate polls of Wisconsin. And he’s out performed his polling there in 2016 and 2020. 

#8236
1 minute ago, Red Five said:

As long as we're doing fan fiction, McRaven/Hanks would do really well. 

It's just getting silly now

Anticipation Popcorn GIF

#8237
22 minutes ago, Vegas64 said:

I think Hillary is polling so well because enough people have remorse and regret for how 2016 went down and would like to redeem themselves in 2024 if she ran. It's actually an interesting thought (Hillary 2024). I wonder if she would even consider it though, given how awful she's been treated after 2016. The knee woudl have to really bend.

Forget how she was treated, Hillary is 76.  I'd rather nominate someone who an actuary would predict to live two full 4 year terms. 

#8238
41 minutes ago, Js1 said:

But I thought Whitmer would be wiping the floor with Trump!???

She's got more upside than any of the other candidates. Just about anyone but Biden is all but guaranteed to gain support as the media starts covering them and people learn their names.

#8239
16 minutes ago, cattail said:

I feel that is Admiral McCraven could be convinced to run as a dem, he would destroy Trump and put an end to all this nonsense.

McRaven couldn't outmaneuver opponents of a UT Houston campus. 

#8240
14 minutes ago, Duane Moore said:

There was an Emerson poll of Wisconsin yesterday that had Trump up 3

When we were growing up we had a 21-inch, Emerson cabinet-style TV. 

Black and white.  Dad used to always say "Color is not for me." 

#8241
8 minutes ago, The Hot Dog Buffet said:

She's got more upside than any of the other candidates.

Please provide proof.

Look, I like her.  I cite her constantly as my 2028 pick.

But please explain all of her upside with nobody knowing dick about her 4 months before the election.  Especially one that 49 other states didn't get to pick as their nominee. 

#8242
11 minutes ago, LCHorn said:

Forget how she was treated, Hillary is 76.  I'd rather nominate someone who an actuary would predict to live two full 4 year terms. 

Unless it's Rita Moreno or Warren Buffett, no more olds please.

#8243
1 hour ago, Red Five said:

One of the replies:

"Democrats seem to have forgotten the old adage: “If you come for the king, you best not miss.” Now they're in the awkward position of asking voters to support a nominee they just declared unfit for office five seconds ago."

This feels like where we're heading. The absolute worst case scenario. 

Some real classic Dem shit from the dumbest members of the party.

#8244

If a US voter is going to vote for Trump because "Biden" did poorly in a "debate" where Trump wasn't called out on his bullshit lies, then we are truly fucked as a country. Trump is an absolute piece of shit but we are worried about Biden. I don't think anyone on the Dem ticket is going to make "on the fence" voters think, "well, this person is ok so maybe I shouldn't vote for the piece of shit felon pedophile." At this point, if you are "on the fence", you are a Trump voter pretending not to be a Trump voter.

Screw it, maybe we are already truly fucked as a country. 

#8245
49 minutes ago, cattail said:

I feel that is Admiral McCraven could be convinced to run as a dem, he would destroy Trump and put an end to all this nonsense.

I will support this if the election can be settled in trial by combat.

#8247

 

News from WSJ team:German officials, aware of Biden’s fatigue at night, sought to accommodate POTUS by planning a June 2022 event with the Chancellor in the early evening.Biden didn’t show, surprising the Germans, and Blinken said Biden went to bedhttps://t.co/PIpf2P3Nl9

 

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#8248
1 minute ago, Loch Ness Monster said:

 

News from WSJ team:German officials, aware of Biden’s fatigue at night, sought to accommodate POTUS by planning a June 2022 event with the Chancellor in the early evening.Biden didn’t show, surprising the Germans, and Blinken said Biden went to bedhttps://t.co/PIpf2P3Nl9

 

"oh and also Trump raped a 12 year-old."

#8249
1 minute ago, Bullneck said:

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That's... quaint.  But to really convey your dissatisfaction in 2024, you need to blow up your computer monitor with Tannerite.

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