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2024 Presidential Election Thread - Let's keep the party going.

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Jesus, Pete destroyed that lady.  It's so nice to see smart, coherent Dems on the attack -- Kamala, Pete, Tim Walz, you name it.  They are informed, they are prepared, and they keep their cool.

It appears we are spoiled for choice in this generation of Dem leadership. Fucking boomers holding them back sucked, but goddam it feels good seeing them come out of the shadows and into their own.
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1 minute ago, Chad Fuck said:

It appears we are spoiled for choice in this generation of Dem leadership. Fucking boomers holding them back sucked, but goddam it feels good seeing them come out of the shadows and into their own.

Fuck yeah. It’s like the Democratic Party recruiting went from Tom Herman to Steve Sarkisian.

Feels like the Biden team really mismanaged her. She should have been out there and much more visible the last couple years. 

1000x this. I have a conservative non Trumper friend who has always said this. He said he could’ve more easily convinced more of his skeptical conservative friends to get off the crazy train if she’d been out front more.

The other side of this is the gop would have run their quite effective misogyny machine on her like they did Hillary, AOC, etc. if she’s been more visible.

In any case I’m happy where we are now.
3 minutes ago, Chad Fuck said:


1000x this. I have a conservative non Trumper friend who has always said this. He said he could’ve more easily convinced more of his skeptical conservative friends to get off the crazy train if she’d been out front more.

The other side of this is the gop would have run their quite effective misogyny machine on her like they did Hillary, AOC, etc. if she’s been more visible.

In any case I’m happy where we are now.

2020 was a very weird year.

Pete is so damn good at this. He beats Fox News at their own game. He makes them have to defend Trump's positions and record. It is so masterful. 

25 minutes ago, tbone_ said:


If that’s true it was by design but just dumb luck.

Serendipity is responsible for many great things. Like penicillin, and rarely seeing the shark in Jaws. 

11 minutes ago, mdmost said:

Pete is so damn good at this. He beats Fox News at their own game. He makes them have to defend Trump's positions and record. It is so masterful. 

He's total POTUS material once (if) we can get the electorate comfortable with a gay man in that office.  I'm not holding my breath, but hey, Obama got elected twice, so you never know.

It won't be Shapiro. He'd alienate the base. Kelly would be problematic. I like Walz a lot from what little I've seen, and Buttigieg. Hopefully Walz doesn't have any strong negatives we don't yet know about. Buttigieg is a resident of PA now fwiw, from what I've read. Ditched Indiana. 

26 minutes ago, Chad Fuck said:


1000x this. I have a conservative non Trumper friend who has always said this. He said he could’ve more easily convinced more of his skeptical conservative friends to get off the crazy train if she’d been out front more.

The other side of this is the gop would have run their quite effective misogyny machine on her like they did Hillary, AOC, etc. if she’s been more visible.

In any case I’m happy where we are now.

They did, 4 years ago. She wasn’t very popular iirc, and that’s why they kept her in pocket. Shit, they are trying to hammer her on border czar shit as it is. 

2 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said:

He's total POTUS material once (if) we can get the electorate comfortable with a gay man in that office.  I'm not holding my breath, but hey, Obama got elected twice, so you never know.

My ideal situation for Pete is to get nominated to a bigger tier cabinet position in a Harris admin (SOS maybe?) and then transition to running for MI Gov in 2028. Or maybe he sits out for a bit and runs for MI SEN if Peters retires in 2026

Either of those could springboard him in a presidential primary in 2032

“The thing about a shark is he’s got lifeless eyes, black eyes like a dolls eyes.  When he comes at ya, doesn’t seem to be livin…until he bits ya, then those black eyes rollll over white”

I’ll run with a Quint quote as a parallel to the sudden surge of all this younger talent in the Dems sphere suddenly coming for the GOP

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1 minute ago, Chopper said:

It won't be Shapiro. He'd alienate the base. Kelly would be problematic. I like Walz a lot from what little I've seen, and Buttigieg. Hopefully Walz doesn't have any strong negatives we don't yet know about. Buttigieg is a resident of PA now fwiw, from what I've read. Ditched Indiana. 

Pete lives in Michigan. 

My VP rankings:

1. Walz

 

 

2. Buttigieg

3. Beshear 

 

 

4. Kelly

5. Cooper

 

6. Shapiro 

 

 

2 minutes ago, Hank Kingsley said:

Pete lives in Michigan. 

Yup, he relocated to Chasten's hometown (Traverse City).

 
 
 

My guess is that’s what his campaign has on paper. He’s already moved most of that money into his personal accounts.

As far as the electorate being comfortable with a gay candidate as either part of a presidential ticket- my initial thought is that more people would be comfortable with it if they were a single person that has come out as gay, but do not have a partner with which to hold hands or smooch on tv.  Does Pete have a partner?  It’s obviously completely unfair to ask that of a gay person running for high office, but is that the sacrifice the first openly gay president will have to make?  Or do we hope we (National electorate) can become better than that?

3 minutes ago, Pato del Muerto said:

As far as the electorate being comfortable with a gay candidate as either part of a presidential ticket- my initial thought is that more people would be comfortable with it if they were a single person that has come out as gay, but do not have a partner with which to hold hands or smooch on tv.  Does Pete have a partner?  It’s obviously completely unfair to ask that of a gay person running for high office, but is that the sacrifice the first openly gay president will have to make?  Or do we hope we (National electorate) can become better than that?

I am 90% sure Pete's been married a long time

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The problem to overcome is those that think cost of groceries = economy. And that trump will lower the cost of goods and services to when he was in office.  But not have the stock market or pay rate also reset. As if those costs ever go that direction.  I liked Clinton era costs, why not vote for Hillary?  
 

eta and those that believe whatever Trump and fnc say. Crime wave!  Border crisis!  But those people won’t be corrected or educated, they are what they are. 

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The problem to overcome is those that think cost of groceries = economy. And that trump will lower the cost of goods and services to when he was in office.  But not have the stock market or pay rate also reset. As if those costs ever go that direction.  I liked Clinton era costs, why not vote for Hillary?  

Nobody in recent history has ever thought prices or crime were too low. It's something people find to bitch about when there aren't any real problems.

1 minute ago, chainsaw said:

Nobody in recent history has ever thought prices or crime were too low. It's something people find to bitch about when there aren't any real problems.

Certain pols not too long ago have been bitching about the price of crude oil being too low.  Can’t imagine why. 

2 minutes ago, chainsaw said:

Nobody in recent history has ever thought prices or crime were too low. It's something people find to bitch about when there aren't any real problems.

Unless youre a donor to Republicans and your profits aren't high enough. War on drugs exists in part to fund and fuel the private prison industry industrial complex

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I do like this guy a lot. Don't run from your record of...checks notes...feeding school children. Not being a shitbag should be an asset.

 

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Goddam Tim, fuck em up!  “What a monster- kids are eating!”

my guy is a living, breathing, balding, Midwest sensibility. 

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27 minutes ago, Js1 said:

My ideal situation for Pete is to get nominated to a bigger tier cabinet position in a Harris admin (SOS maybe?) and then transition to running for MI Gov in 2028. Or maybe he sits out for a bit and runs for MI SEN if Peters retires in 2026

Either of those could springboard him in a presidential primary in 2032

If Buttigieg is Secretary of State, he’s qualified for POTUS.  He wouldn’t need a senate term or governorship.  Serving in 2 different cabinet positions in 2 different administrations is plenty for the resume.

15 minutes ago, Snake Diggity said:

If Buttigieg is Secretary of State, he’s qualified for POTUS.  He wouldn’t need a senate term or governorship.  Serving in 2 different cabinet positions in 2 different administrations is plenty for the resume.

It’s been a long time since anyone has gone from the cabinet to POTUS. He needs to run a race that isn’t a small town mayor 

The very left of the Democratic Party still hates Pete. They would fall in line but it would stunt some of the overall enthusiasm if he was chosen as VP. It sucks but it is what it is. It's just not worth the risk to the Kamala campaign IMO when they know he can be so effective as a top surrogate.  

 

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Just now, Hank Kingsley said:

The very left of the Democratic Party still hates Pete

They hate everything and purity test candidates to death. That's also why the very left will never win anything major. 

It's also why Shapiro would come with some hesitance. I detest those people.

1 minute ago, mdmost said:

They hate everything and purity test candidates to death. That's also why the very left will never win anything major. 

I agree. It's incredibly frustrating. 

They hate everything and purity test candidates to death. That's also why the very left will never win anything major. 

They’re also the reason that Kamala probably will not pick this election’s cheat code: a bipartisanly popular governor from the likely tipping state. It’s madness.
3 minutes ago, naija said:

It's also why Shapiro would come with some hesitance. I detest those people.

Counterpoint: Shapiro doesn't belong in the same tier as Buttigieg. He authorized state paid hush money for a sexual assault by one of his top staffers. He licked the heels of Elise Stefanik. He cracked down on peaceful protests at Penn by actual students of Penn. He's only been gov for 18 months. 

The only thing about Shapiro I like is the likely state he would bring in. You cannot win this election without PA. 

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I'd love to hear Trump's plan to lower grocery prices. I'm sure it's well thought out and full of details.

9 minutes ago, naija said:

It's also why Shapiro would come with some hesitance. I detest those people.

In my petty dream scenario, Kamala wins Arizona, Nevada, Georgia, and PA rendering all the whiny assholes in Michigan who plan to protest vote completely meaningless. 

4 minutes ago, mdmost said:

The only thing about Shapiro I like is the likely state he would bring in. You cannot win this election with PA. 

I agree about PA but Harris needs to win that on her own. PA/WI/MI will likely vote as a bloc yet again. If she can’t win PA, she’s not winning the other 2

Plenty of the candidates can speak to the WWC voters in those 3 states just as well as he can. Without his baggage and lack of a record 

2 minutes ago, Chopper said:

Counterpoint: Shapiro doesn't belong in the same tier as Buttigieg. He authorized state paid hush money for a sexual assault by one of his top staffers. He licked the heels of Elise Stefanik. He cracked down on peaceful protests at Penn by actual students of Penn. He's only been gov for 18 months. 

Yeah, I think Shapiro is the riskiest VP candidate on the list. Also the last thing we need is a VP nominee that Republicans will tie to the Israel/Palestine conflict. That is understandably such a hot bed issue and inviting that to be a bigger part of this election is bad for everyone. 

 

Walz and Pete are just absolutely COOKING wrt messaging. I can't get enough of them out there on TV reminding the electorate who the adults are in the room.

1 minute ago, Gourmand said:

Walz and Pete are just absolutely COOKING wrt messaging. I can't get enough of them out there on TV reminding the electorate who the adults are in the room.

Better surrogates than VPs. I think Walz has some juice for VP though. 

6 minutes ago, Chopper said:

Counterpoint: Shapiro doesn't belong in the same tier as Buttigieg. He authorized state paid hush money for a sexual assault by one of his top staffers. He licked the heels of Elise Stefanik. He cracked down on peaceful protests at Penn by actual students of Penn. He's only been gov for 18 months. 

Does Pete not have his own baggage? McKinsey, Lobbyist funding, bad, bad polling with Black voters during his run.

None of these are slam dunks or one far above the other. If it were a debate and talking head competition, yeah Buttigieg is likely #1 as a choice; but that's not the world we have to play in.

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2 minutes ago, naija said:

Does Pete not have his own baggage? McKinsey, Lobbyist funding, bad, bad polling with Black voters during his run.

None of these are slam dunks or one far above the other. If it were a debate and talking head competition, yeah Buttigieg is likely #1 as a choice; but that's not the world we have to play in.

Buttigieg doesn't have baggage that isn't known and actually matters for credentials getting shit done. 

He's done an incredible job with transportation and it's biggest budget in decades. It cannot be understated how much he's changed so fast and how much he's deployed in a measurable and productive way. 

52 minutes ago, Pato del Muerto said:

The problem to overcome is those that think cost of groceries = economy.

To be fair, for around 90% of the American voting public, cost of living IS the economy and Democrats have to do a better job of connecting to that for middle class people and not treating it as a poverty problem. Speaking of connecting:
 

 

47 minutes ago, mdmost said:

I do like this guy a lot. Don't run from your record of...checks notes...feeding school children. Not being a shitbag should be an asset.

 

I don't know if this guy will be the pick or not, but this dude is demonstrating connection like Richard Schenck



 

8 minutes ago, Js1 said:

I agree about PA but Harris needs to win that on her own. PA/WI/MI will likely vote as a bloc yet again. If she can’t win PA, she’s not winning the other 2

Plenty of the candidates can speak to the WWC voters in those 3 states just as well as he can. Without his baggage and lack of a record 

This.  Harris wins or loses this on her own.  If she pings black turnout in Atlanta, then it's also there in Philly, Detroit, and Milwaukee.  It's why I think she should pick Kelly, which would help with NV and AZ.  

I suspect Harris wins all of these states and wins fairy easily.  I predict they'll call the election with the polls close on the west coast.

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49 minutes ago, mdmost said:

I do like this guy a lot. Don't run from your record of...checks notes...feeding school children. Not being a shitbag should be an asset.

 

I think there is an awesome TV show to be made of Tim Walz and Doug Emhoff going to local diners, amusement parks, small sports events and such. They can praise the local culture and food, while talking to everyday people about their concerns and problems with genuine empathy. They could call it "US Ambassadors to America" or something and feature them as a political dynamic duo highlighting the best parts of American culture while also calling attention and action to issues voters can impact. 

1 minute ago, immamac said:

Better surrogates than VPs. I think Walz has some juice for VP though. 

Yep, they both remind me a lot of what Howard Dean was doing for Dems during the Bush administration fiasco. He was a great messenger at the time, especially pushing back against Bush administration lies, even against a backdrop of mainstream media normalizing the ginned-up frenzy around the "Global War on Terror."

 

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