March 17Mar 17 On 3/16/2025 at 3:05 PM, Captainant said: Pretty good bit of real world proof on LIDAR vs cameras from YouTuber Mark Rober Lede burried. We all know Tesla self driving is bullshit. Rober lidar mapping space mountain and haunted mansion with a chest worn device was fucking awesome. My kid loves him and we have the crunch labs subscription. I highly recommend it if you have kids in that age range. I have nothing to say about musk. Fuck that twat. Edited March 17Mar 17 by pops
March 18Mar 18 6 hours ago, Deej said: Looks to me like someone put on a suit of armor because they are scared of getting fucked up by a cat. Nothing scares an incel more than pussy
March 18Mar 18 6 hours ago, C-Man said: Musk forced to halt Cybertruck deliveries as parts fall off Latest development adds to a litany of build-quality issues with the electric pickup https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2025/03/16/musk-forced-halt-cybertuck-deliveries-as-parts-fall-off/ By the time they get to the dealership it’ll be like a Hot Shots carrier landing
March 18Mar 18 5 hours ago, Samson's Wig said: Have you ever met a cat before? Yes, and I never approached that abomination. Edited March 18Mar 18 by F250
March 18Mar 18 2 hours ago, Parliament said: Wouldn't their batteries be exploding in the saltwater? better than a shark!
March 18Mar 18 18 hours ago, 956 Worldwide said: I’m with you, man. In my early 40s there’s a few things I can do with the best of them. Put a football through a tire at 30 yards with a tight spiral. Sling 90 mph heat in the zone for at least three innings before my arm tires. Rebuild a Weber carb. Speak six languages (well, and I’m also fair at reading Latin and a Greek). Keep beautiful women hanging on my every word through dinner, take them back home, and leave them aching but wanting more the next morning. But yeah, video games. My Achilles heel. I was just spending too much time working on my sub-4 mile and summiting all the 14k peaks in the Western hemisphere.
March 18Mar 18 54 minutes ago, Chooky said: What an absolute pussy. Twitter reminds me of Hornsfans. Say something not positive about the owners and they would give you a temp or perm ban. <Insert flashing letter icon.>
March 18Mar 18 Popular Post article about swasticar's insurance rates - Due to the shitty design, it's already almost as expensive to insure a swasticar as it is a Maserati https://insideevs.com/news/753730/tesla-insurance-vandalism-elon-musk But... Edited March 18Mar 18 by Chopper
March 18Mar 18 Inside EVs again with more bad news for swasticar owners. Quote At the center of the freefall is the Tesla Cybertruck, which has fallen a massive -58% year-over-year.
March 18Mar 18 Last week BC said fuck you to the failing swasticar company, this week it's Toronto https://www.reuters.com/business/autos-transportation/toronto-excludes-tesla-ev-incentive-due-us-trade-war-2025-03-17/
March 18Mar 18 Popular Post TSLA back down to where it was prior to the carnival barker stunt on the White House lawn. Down 40% YTD.
March 18Mar 18 Grok gets it. First, it says there's a 75-85% chance Trump is a Russian asset. Now it says Leon is one of the largest spreaders of misinformation on X. Elon Musk’s own AI chatbot has turned on him and says he’s spreading misinformation Quote One of Elon Musk’s own AI chatbots has identified him as being one of the largest spreaders of misinformation on X. Musk has repeatedly touted his own AI system, Grok, as the best source for information, at one point suggesting users should ‘Grok it’ rather than ‘Google it’. Grok has quickly become one of the most used AI apps in the world, with Musk calling it ‘based’ and the world’s ‘smartest AI’. In 2024, he wrote: ‘Perhaps it is now clear why Grok is so important. It is far from perfect right now but will improve rapidly… Rigorous pursuit of the truth, without regard to criticism, has never been more essential.’ But the world’s ‘smartest AI’ – which Musk helped create – has said that the Tesla boss is one of the biggest spreaders of misinformation on X, which he owns. In a separate post on X, Grok reiterated that Musk was one of the ‘top misinformation spreaders on X’, putting Donald Trump in second place. Metro also decided to ask Grok who the biggest spreader of misinformation was on X (owned by Musk), and was told: ‘Based on available reports and analyses, Elon Musk is frequently identified as one of the most significant spreaders of misinformation on X.’ Grok cited Musk’s ‘massive following’ which amplified his posts, including misleading claims about elections, conspiracy theories and incorrect information. ‘His role as the platform’s owner further magnifies his influence, as his content often escapes the same scrutiny or moderation applied to others,’ Grok added. ‘The subjective nature of “misinformation” and the lack of a universal metric make it tricky to crown a definitive “biggest” spreader, but Musk’s name comes up most prominently in current data and discussions.’ Ouch. Musk’s AI has come to the consensus that he, despite touting truth and hoping to combat misinformation, is the source of a lot of it on X. According to Grok, the AI system was trained on a ‘variety of data’ from publicly available sources and data sets reviewed and curated by AI Tutors, which are essentially human reviewers. Grok's full response to the misinformation question: ‘Based on available reports and analyses, Elon Musk is frequently identified as one of the most significant spreaders of misinformation on X. His large following—over 200 million as of early 2025—and high engagement amplify the impact of his posts. ‘For instance, a 2024 report from the Center for Countering Digital Hate noted that 87 of his posts about the U.S. election that year were rated false or misleading by fact-checkers, collectively amassing 2 billion views. ‘His content often touches on topics like elections, health issues such as COVID-19, and conspiracy theories, which contributes to this perception. However, the definition of “misinformation” can be subjective, and other figures like Donald Trump Jr. or entities like state-sponsored accounts from Russia and China also rank high depending on the context and timeframe. ‘Without a universal metric, pinpointing a single “biggest” spreader remains debated, but Musk’s prominence and platform ownership make him a standout candidate.’ Concerns over misinformation across X have been raised before. When Musk first bought Twitter and changed the name to X in 2022, he promised to provide a platform for free speech. https://metro.co.uk/2025/03/18/elon-musks-ai-tool-says-spreads-misinformation-x-22741885/
March 18Mar 18 2 hours ago, Chopper said: Have only heard of the "panels coming off" phenomenon. Until now. The most American-made vehicle ever, designed, marketed, and sold by a non-American.
March 18Mar 18 Popular Post burning swasticars update edit: FURTHER UPDATE. That's at a swasticar service center so those vehicles are likely individually owned. for no particular reason: Edited March 18Mar 18 by Chopper
March 18Mar 18 5 hours ago, Chooky said: What an absolute pussy. He really is an angst-ridden early 90s teen BBS sysop.
March 18Mar 18 49 minutes ago, Chopper said: burning swasticars update edit: FURTHER UPDATE. That's at a swasticar service center so those vehicles are likely individually owned. for no particular reason: Sounds everyone's favorite bogeyman Auntie Pho is at it again amirite
March 18Mar 18 So in one case in CA, a judge ruled to reinstate 24,000 probationary employees who were fired illegally (with back pay) and now this: I just can’t get over how damn efficient this all is. Elon truly showing how brilliant he is in creating lasting change for the better
March 18Mar 18 Popular Post Who was it in this thread wayyyy back yonder, talking about the fine, upstanding and effective company, SpaceX? I have some questions. Quote Firstly, engine shutdowns or fires shouldn’t cause a loss of communication. That is basic operational redundancy. But also, fuel leaks are really common with rockets, and we know how to prevent them from happening. The fuels rockets use can escape through the tiniest of faults, and the complex fuel systems they use have numerous potential points of failure. As such, it is standard practice to find these potential leaks with intensive pre-flight checks to identify and solve these issues before they escalate into a catastrophe. Quote I want to give you context as to how embarrassing this is for SpaceX. Over 50 years ago, NASA was able to get its Saturn V, a rocket nearly as large as Starship, to fly without ever having a failed launch over its 13-launch, six-year operational lifespan. This was a rocket designed with computers less powerful than a Casio watch, built with far less accurate techniques and materials, with check systems and procedures infinitely less sophisticated than anything today. Yet, engineers were able to ensure it never had a launch failure, even during testing. Technologically speaking, the Saturn V was a caveman rocket, yet it was infinitely more useful and reliable than the high-tech Starship. Quote Even if SpaceX can get their Starship to work, their Falcon Heavy rocket will actually be cheaper per kilogram to orbit! What’s more, if you actually look at how expensive Starship launches actually are, its kilogram-to-orbit cost is the same as Saturn V! (read more here). So, basically, the NASA of over 50 years ago is beating SpaceX at their own game. Starship is an embarrassment, not just for SpaceX, but for the US. It’s not a revolution; it is a nightmare of twisted monopolistic privatisation and the idiotic inefficiency that comes alongside that. It’s pathetic and dangerous, and we can do so much better. https://www.planetearthandbeyond.co/p/spacex-has-finally-figured-out-why also He'll be on the NEXT one. NOTE: THERE HAVE BEEN EXACTLY ZERO POINT ZERO (0) MANNED STARSHIP MISSIONS TO DATE.
March 18Mar 18 On 3/16/2025 at 5:05 PM, Captainant said: Pretty good bit of real world proof on LIDAR vs cameras from YouTuber Mark Rober I mean... y'all knew I wouldn't leave this one alone. It was just a matter of time before this catfish ate the stinkbait. I did take my time and watch the entire video and did multiple viewings of all of the actual tests. You'll all be shocked to hear that I think the video is a bit disingenuous and manipulated to give pre-determined results. Here are my observations that inform my skepticism: Rober doesn't use any FSD build and limits his testing to EAB and Autopilot. Yes, the sensor suite and hardware is the same, but the software is vastly different between autopilot and FSD 12+. Rober pits the latest version of Luminar's system against an older generation Tesla system. In each test where the screen is visible (except for the EAB test), there is an out-of-focus warning notification present prior to impacting the dummy or the wall. Anyone who uses the Tesla TACC, autopilot, or FSD system will tell you that if you have the accelerator pressed and are going above the set speed, you get the following warning: Even EAB will keep going when the accelerator is pressed, which is what appears to happen in the video. It won't give the visual warning notification, but it will give an audible alarm which you hear about two seconds prior to impact in the EAB test in the video. To my eye, it looks like Rober is pressing the accelerator and not actually allowing the driver assist systems to maintain speed on their own. In the raw footage that Rober released in response to criticism, rather than setting the autopilot early in the test which is easily doable, he waits until very late (<5 seconds) to attempt to engage FSD and fails on two attempts to engage before getting it to engage on a third attempt. There's no reason he couldn't have engaged autopilot much earlier. It's just really shady and looks like he is intentionally engaging late to confuse and cause errors in the system. https://x.com/MarkRober/status/1901449395327094898 The "fog" test was not fog, but smoke. LIDAR is significantly degraded in actual fog when water in the air scatters and absorbs the lasers. Credit to the LIDAR system for "seeing" through the smoke, but that is an extremely uncommon scenario for actual driving (no safe driver proceeds at full speed into an obscuring smoke cloud) that was engineered to give the LIDAR system an easy "win" in this comparison. In the "rain" test, which did not simulate a realistic rain scenario that one would actually drive in, the LIDAR system stopped because it read the significant water spray as a solid object, not because it saw the dummy. Judge's review does not award the point to LIDAR in this comparison. LIDAR is degraded in rain just like in fog due to attenuation. The CEO of Luminar (the LIDAR system featured in the video) is present in the video and is a previous collaborator and admitted friend of Rober. For posterity: Motherfuck Elmo for being a nazi asshole. You may now proceed with the knob-slobbing gifs.
March 18Mar 18 1 minute ago, Guadaloopy said: I mean... y'all knew I wouldn't leave this one alone. It was just a matter of time before this catfish ate the stinkbait. I did take my time and watch the entire video and did multiple viewings of all of the actual tests. You'll all be shocked to hear that I think the video is a bit disingenuous and manipulated to give pre-determined results. Here are my observations that inform my skepticism: Rober doesn't use any FSD build and limits his testing to EAB and Autopilot. Yes, the sensor suite and hardware is the same, but the software is vastly different between autopilot and FSD 12+. Rober pits the latest version of Luminar's system against an older generation Tesla system. In each test where the screen is visible (except for the EAB test), there is an out-of-focus warning notification present prior to impacting the dummy or the wall. Anyone who uses the Tesla TACC, autopilot, or FSD system will tell you that if you have the accelerator pressed and are going above the set speed, you get the following warning: Even EAB will keep going when the accelerator is pressed, which is what appears to happen in the video. It won't give the visual warning notification, but it will give an audible alarm which you hear about two seconds prior to impact in the EAB test in the video. To my eye, it looks like Rober is pressing the accelerator and not actually allowing the driver assist systems to maintain speed on their own. In the raw footage that Rober released in response to criticism, rather than setting the autopilot early in the test which is easily doable, he waits until very late (<5 seconds) to attempt to engage FSD and fails on two attempts to engage before getting it to engage on a third attempt. There's no reason he couldn't have engaged autopilot much earlier. It's just really shady and looks like he is intentionally engaging late to confuse and cause errors in the system. https://x.com/MarkRober/status/1901449395327094898 The "fog" test was not fog, but smoke. LIDAR is significantly degraded in actual fog when water in the air scatters and absorbs the lasers. Credit to the LIDAR system for "seeing" through the smoke, but that is an extremely uncommon scenario for actual driving (no safe driver proceeds at full speed into an obscuring smoke cloud) that was engineered to give the LIDAR system an easy "win" in this comparison. In the "rain" test, which did not simulate a realistic rain scenario that one would actually drive in, the LIDAR system stopped because it read the significant water spray as a solid object, not because it saw the dummy. Judge's review does not award the point to LIDAR in this comparison. LIDAR is degraded in rain just like in fog due to attenuation. The CEO of Luminar (the LIDAR system featured in the video) is present in the video and is a previous collaborator and admitted friend of Rober. For posterity: Motherfuck Elmo for being a nazi asshole. You may now proceed with the knob-slobbing gifs. Lol 52-80 just posted a TLDR in the business board about 5 minutes before your post. Did the newsletter just go out or something?
March 18Mar 18 3 minutes ago, Captainant said: Lol 52-80 just posted a TLDR in the business board about 5 minutes before your post. Did the newsletter just go out or something? Nah... Just took my time looking at the video. I watched a couple of other analysis videos from yesterday, but they weren't all that compelling.
March 18Mar 18 11 minutes ago, Guadaloopy said: In the raw footage that Rober released in response to criticism, rather than setting the autopilot early in the test which is easily doable, he waits until very late (<5 seconds) to attempt to engage FSD and fails on two attempts to engage before getting it to engage on a third attempt. There's no reason he couldn't have engaged autopilot much earlier. It's just really shady and looks like he is intentionally engaging late to confuse and cause errors in the system. https://x.com/MarkRober/status/1901449395327094898 In this tweet, it shows the autopilot disengaging at the last second. There's been a huge disparity of accident reporting where "autopilot/FSD wasn't in charge!", even an NHTSA investigation about it https://www.motortrend.com/news/nhtsa-tesla-autopilot-investigation-shutoff-crash/ They found a number of incidents where autopilot "on average aborted vehicle control less than one second prior to the first impact."
March 18Mar 18 19 minutes ago, Guadaloopy said: I mean... y'all knew I wouldn't leave this one alone. It was just a matter of time before this catfish ate the stinkbait. I did take my time and watch the entire video and did multiple viewings of all of the actual tests. You'll all be shocked to hear that I think the video is a bit disingenuous and manipulated to give pre-determined results. Here are my observations that inform my skepticism: Rober doesn't use any FSD build and limits his testing to EAB and Autopilot. Yes, the sensor suite and hardware is the same, but the software is vastly different between autopilot and FSD 12+. Rober pits the latest version of Luminar's system against an older generation Tesla system. In each test where the screen is visible (except for the EAB test), there is an out-of-focus warning notification present prior to impacting the dummy or the wall. Anyone who uses the Tesla TACC, autopilot, or FSD system will tell you that if you have the accelerator pressed and are going above the set speed, you get the following warning: Even EAB will keep going when the accelerator is pressed, which is what appears to happen in the video. It won't give the visual warning notification, but it will give an audible alarm which you hear about two seconds prior to impact in the EAB test in the video. To my eye, it looks like Rober is pressing the accelerator and not actually allowing the driver assist systems to maintain speed on their own. In the raw footage that Rober released in response to criticism, rather than setting the autopilot early in the test which is easily doable, he waits until very late (<5 seconds) to attempt to engage FSD and fails on two attempts to engage before getting it to engage on a third attempt. There's no reason he couldn't have engaged autopilot much earlier. It's just really shady and looks like he is intentionally engaging late to confuse and cause errors in the system. https://x.com/MarkRober/status/1901449395327094898 The "fog" test was not fog, but smoke. LIDAR is significantly degraded in actual fog when water in the air scatters and absorbs the lasers. Credit to the LIDAR system for "seeing" through the smoke, but that is an extremely uncommon scenario for actual driving (no safe driver proceeds at full speed into an obscuring smoke cloud) that was engineered to give the LIDAR system an easy "win" in this comparison. In the "rain" test, which did not simulate a realistic rain scenario that one would actually drive in, the LIDAR system stopped because it read the significant water spray as a solid object, not because it saw the dummy. Judge's review does not award the point to LIDAR in this comparison. LIDAR is degraded in rain just like in fog due to attenuation. The CEO of Luminar (the LIDAR system featured in the video) is present in the video and is a previous collaborator and admitted friend of Rober. For posterity: Motherfuck Elmo for being a nazi asshole. You may now proceed with the knob-slobbing gifs. Quote Sure, FSD has a more sophisticated software stack, trained on end-to-end neural networks to include city, highway, and parking lot driving scenarios. It’s easy to fire off a post on X claiming the system would have braked before running into Rober’s fake wall. But it also could have made the same error. After all, this is the same company that knew Autopilot had difficulty detecting truck trailers crossing the path of the vehicle and did nothing to fix it. https://www.theverge.com/tesla/631308/mark-rober-tesla-youtube-autopilot-lidar-fake-claims Seems like a lot of what you wrote has been debunked or shrugged at. But I'm no rocket scientist.
March 18Mar 18 2 minutes ago, Chopper said: https://www.theverge.com/tesla/631308/mark-rober-tesla-youtube-autopilot-lidar-fake-claims Seems like a lot of what you wrote has been debunked or shrugged at. But I'm no rocket scientist. My main concern with the video is the warning notifications that show up on the screen prior to impacts. Without seeing those in focus and knowing what the warnings were actually for, it sure looks like the accelerator was engaged during some of these tests and overriding the system.
March 18Mar 18 Today I parked in a lot next to what I assume was a small Tesla sedan. It had no badge. It also had no occupants. I was checking some messages before going into the store I was patronizing and I was stunned to see this car pull out and drive towards the store entrance. Zero humans. It actually started to cut off another vehicle (with driver) who honked and stopped. I'm sorry, but that's just very unnerving and not really ready for prime time. PS I'm a mechanical engineer who has done a bit of controls work in my career, I'm not a luddite.
March 18Mar 18 12 minutes ago, Captainant said: In this tweet, it shows the autopilot disengaging at the last second. There's been a huge disparity of accident reporting where "autopilot/FSD wasn't in charge!", even an NHTSA investigation about it https://www.motortrend.com/news/nhtsa-tesla-autopilot-investigation-shutoff-crash/ They found a number of incidents where autopilot "on average aborted vehicle control less than one second prior to the first impact." Yep... that is a known issue that has been noted by NHTSA. The fact that autopilot disengaged prior to impact isn't my main concern with that video. My biggest concern is with how late he engages autopilot and the fact that it took three attempts to get it to activate. If I had the time, resources, and talent to paint a Road Runner mural, I would love to recreate this and engage FSD a quarter mile out to see what would happen.
March 18Mar 18 20 hours ago, pops said: Lede burried. We all know Tesla self driving is bullshit. Rober lidar mapping space mountain and haunted mansion with a chest worn device was fucking awesome. My kid loves him and we have the crunch labs subscription. I highly recommend it if you have kids in that age range. I have nothing to say about musk. Fuck that twat. 1000% reason I watched that video at first was to see him sneak a lidar sensor into space mountain and possibly get skull fucked by Mickey Mouse in the process (still might). Releasing a video that would piss off both Disney and the Elon/Tesla Stans at the same time was a rather bold choice...
March 18Mar 18 2 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said: Today I parked in a lot next to what I assume was a small Tesla sedan. It had no badge. It also had no occupants. I was checking some messages before going into the store I was patronizing and I was stunned to see this car pull out and drive towards the store entrance. Zero humans. It actually started to cut off another vehicle (with driver) who honked and stopped. I'm sorry, but that's just very unnerving and not really ready for prime time. PS I'm a mechanical engineer who has done a bit of controls work in my career, I'm not a luddite. Actual smart summon still sucks. It still has a lot of restrictions on it and doesn't operate like supervised FSD at all. Once the "training wheels" come off of it and the full capability of FSD 13 takes over that feature, it will be much better. People who use that function now in crowded parking lots are assholes.
March 18Mar 18 Just now, Guadaloopy said: Once the "training wheels" come off of it and the full capability of FSD 13 takes over that feature, it will be much better. Sounds quite a bit like the pitches for FSD 1-12, to be honest
March 18Mar 18 2 hours ago, tbone_ said: Why wouldn’t Canada just ban Tesla sales in their country. I would if I were them. I mean, why not let Tesla keep spending money transporting the, renting office space, paying sales people, and THEN have no one buy them?
March 18Mar 18 33 minutes ago, Firemans4Horn said: All the money in the world and spends 22 hours a day retweeting Nazis and this guy Hey man, Ian Cheong - noted GamerGate provocateur and DailyCaller writer - was a preferred news source for basically every moment of civil unrest in 2020. Couldn't go a page without him getting linked or sourced in DT. Dude was and is a profilic source of disinformation AND straight-from-russia propaganda
March 18Mar 18 Popular Post 3 minutes ago, Captainant said: Hey man, Ian Cheong - noted GamerGate provocateur and DailyCaller writer - was a preferred news source for basically every moment of civil unrest in 2020. Couldn't go a page without him getting linked or sourced in DT. Dude was and is a profilic source of disinformation AND straight-from-russia propaganda his IMDB page is funny
March 18Mar 18 2 hours ago, Guadaloopy said: Actual smart summon still sucks. It still has a lot of restrictions on it and doesn't operate like supervised FSD at all. Once the "training wheels" come off of it and the full capability of FSD 13 takes over that feature, it will be much better. People who use that function now in crowded parking lots are assholes. Simple question. Why does Elon discount LIDAR? It's a relatively simple solution. I can answer, because he's a fake ass know-it-all-prick that needs to have his balls roped by South African black people and dragged through a cactus patch. Repeatedly. Like for eternity. Fuck Elon and fuck everyone associated with him. Edited March 18Mar 18 by Judge Roybeanbag
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