February 16, 20241 yr LOS ANGELES — The management team of Brian Wilson has petitioned to place him in a conservatorship because of his mental decline and the recent death of his wife, Melinda Ledbetter Wilson, who managed his daily life. The 81-year-old Beach Boys co-founder and mastermind has a “major neurocognitive disorder” and is taking medication for dementia, according to a doctor’s declaration filed with the petition Wednesday in Los Angeles Superior Court. The petition asks a judge to appoint two longtime Wilson representatives — publicist Jean Sievers and manager LeeAnn Hard — to be conservators overseeing his personal and medical decisions because “Mr. Wilson is unable to properly provide for his own personal needs for physical health, food, clothing, or shelter.” The two women “have had a close relationship with Mr. and Mrs. Wilson for many years, and Mr. Wilson trusts them,” according to the filing. Ledbetter — whose husband credited her with stabilizing his famously troubled life — had managed his daily needs before her death on Jan. 30, the petition says. The move came after consultation between Wilson, his seven children, caretaker Gloria Ramos, and his doctors, according to a statement posted Thursday on his social media accounts. “This decision was made to ensure that there will be no extreme changes to the household and Brian and the children living at home will be taken care of,” the posts said. “Brian will be able to enjoy all of his family and friends and continue to work on current projects as well as participate in any activities he chooses.” Judges in California can appoint a conservator for the person, their finances — referred to as the estate — or both, as was the case with Britney Spears, whose court fight brought broad new attention to the legal standing. The Wilson petition seeks only a conservatorship of his person, saying he does not need a conservator of the estate because his assets are in a trust, with Hard as a trustee. Deeply revered and acclaimed as a member, producer, arranger and chief songwriter of the Beach Boys, Wilson struggled with mental health and substance abuse issues that upended his career in the 1960s. He met Ledbetter when he was a customer at a car dealership where she was working in the mid-1980s. At the time, Wilson had for years been under the close supervision of psychologist Dr. Eugene Landy. Ledbetter and others believed Landy was exploiting and mistreating Wilson, and feuded with Landy for years before he was barred in 1992 from any contact with Wilson. Ledbetter died unexpectedly on Jan. 30, according to a Wilson spokesperson. “Our five children and I are just in tears. We are lost,” Wilson said on his web site. “Melinda was more than my wife. She was my savior.”
February 16, 20241 yr I guess of course he is, but I didn’t realize he was that old. Pretty decent run from where he was 40-50 years ago.
February 16, 20241 yr So sad to hear about this. He has brought so much joy to so many for so long. I hope his passing is as peaceful as possible.
February 16, 20241 yr Brian Wilson is a titan. I feel for all the anguish he has gone through, I too hope it is as peaceful as possible
February 16, 20241 yr 2 hours ago, Gil Bang said: The 81-year-old Beach Boys co-founder and mastermind has a “major neurocognitive disorder” As in - he's even more batshit insane than usual? Always loved this one. Edited February 16, 20241 yr by ztejas
February 17, 20241 yr The last full-band Beach Boys album he wrote and played on was incredibly underrated. He put out a lot of damn good music in his latter years, on top of the decades of greatness.
February 17, 20241 yr 6 hours ago, ztejas said: As in - he's even more batshit insane than usual? Always loved this one. Don't remember how this one came about. Same song, different title/words.
February 17, 20241 yr 57 minutes ago, SizzleChest said: Don't remember how this one came about. Same song, different title/words. The song was rewritten after Mike Love voiced objections to the lyrics.[16][17] Love stated in a 1993 interview that he found the original lyrics "so totally offensive [and] nauseating" that he refused to sing them.[18] He told Wilson that he was strongly opposed to drugs such as LSD and did not wish for the Beach Boys to be associated with its culture.[19] In his recollection, he was aware of the fact that Wilson had experimented with LSD and knew that the "prevailing drug jargon [suggested] that doses of LSD would shatter your ego, as if that were a positive thing... I wasn't interested in taking acid or getting rid of my ego."[20] He said, "The people that I'd seen indulge in those things exhibited behaviors and mannerisms that left much to be desired."[16]
February 17, 20241 yr Fuck Mike Love, imo my favorite off Pet Sounds is maybe Caroline No. But man, Wouldn’t It Be Nice is an all time great opening track and a fairly perfect song. i was never a teenager in white 1960s middle America, but that album makes me feel like I was
February 17, 20241 yr Truly sad. Hell he's 5 years older than my mom and she's in a nursing home unable to move basically, but still sharp mentally 5 years from now, who knows...). But Jesus, let's see, blowing your mind on drugs (luckily able to somewhat come through it unlike Syd Barrett), having both of your younger brothers die before you (as someone who has lost a younger sibling, yeah, that will fuck you up the rest of your life), a cousin who went nutso and took you to court, and a "manager" who controlled your entire life and tried to steal you blind. My mind would be mush too. I don't think he is near the end, but I do believe he is totally done creatively, or even as a "prop" on any kind of tour or anything. He was the ultimate man-child. Just never grew up, wrote some of the most brilliant music and melodies ever, but accompanied by just simple, juvenile even lyrics. He was just stuck in that "Great American Songbook" style of writing, from the 30s through the 50's, into the early 60's, but he could just never progress any further. A true savant, we will never see his likes again. Just a few favorites, again, the lyrics don't matter, it's the sound, the blend, the chords, the arrangements, that are true genius. One of the most brilliant songs ever written, if you're musically inclined, just try to mentally figure the chord structure out as this is playing, where is the center? You can't do it.. again, such a deceptively simple song, but track where the chords go, every way you 'don't' expect them to go..
February 17, 20241 yr 8 hours ago, UTCzech III said: Truly sad. Hell he's 5 years older than my mom and she's in a nursing home unable to move basically, but still sharp mentally 5 years from now, who knows...). I don't think he is near the end, but I do believe he is totally done creatively, o One of the most brilliant songs ever written, if you're musically inclined, just try to mentally figure the chord structure out as this is playing, where is the center? You can't do it.. Dude, he's 81 fucking years old. How much runway do you think he has left to use?
February 17, 20241 yr feel like he has been living on borrowed time, considering the state of his health in the 80s. Love the Beach Boys listening to the isolated vocals of songs from Pet Sounds on YouTube is a revelation. Quote I love my Carl I love my Brian my Dennis and my Al I could even find it in my head to love Mike Love
February 17, 20241 yr Fuck Mike Love, imo my favorite off Pet Sounds is maybe Caroline No. But man, Wouldn’t It Be Nice is an all time great opening track and a fairly perfect song. i was never a teenager in white 1960s middle America, but that album makes me feel like I wasAll of this. Couldn’t have said it better. Mike Love is the reason why The Beach Boys stopped progressing and became a novelty/nostalgia act.**Also Brian losing it a bit maybe contributed.
February 17, 20241 yr His manager is the trustee for his trust? Oh sure, nothing suspicious about that at all.
February 19, 20241 yr 13 hours ago, smwhorn said: Aren't The Beach Boys supposed to play Jazzfest in New Orleans this year? well a death of a member is not going to stop that machine from rolling on.
February 19, 20241 yr Aside from his own music, I believe he had a fairly profound influence on the direction of the Beatles’ later years.
February 19, 20241 yr Aren't The Beach Boys supposed to play Jazzfest in New Orleans this year?That's the mike love show. Brian Wilson isn't part of that.
February 20, 20241 yr 19 hours ago, Pato del Muerto said: Aside from his own music, I believe he had a fairly profound influence on the direction of the Beatles’ later years. They has a symbiotic relationship for sure.
February 20, 20241 yr McCartney has said that Pet Sounds spurred them to make Sgt Peppers. I think Rubber Soul was an influence on Wilson making Pet Sounds. If The Beach Boys were a real band, they’d be pretty easy to call the greatest American band.
February 20, 20241 yr 8 hours ago, Celery Man said: McCartney has said that Pet Sounds spurred them to make Sgt Peppers. I think Rubber Soul was an influence on Wilson making Pet Sounds. If The Beach Boys were a real band, they’d be pretty easy to call the greatest American band. Pet Sounds was in part a response or reaction to Revolver. Sgt. Pepper was in part a response or reaction to Pet Sounds.
February 21, 20241 yr On 2/16/2024 at 11:56 PM, Celery Man said: Fuck Mike Love, imo my favorite off Pet Sounds is maybe Caroline No. But man, Wouldn’t It Be Nice is an all time great opening track and a fairly perfect song. i was never a teenager in white 1960s middle America, but that album makes me feel like I was I love Caroline, No, Wouldn’t it Be Nice and Here Today. Great music.
February 21, 20241 yr On 2/16/2024 at 11:49 PM, UTCzech III said: The song was rewritten after Mike Love voiced objections to the lyrics.[16][17] Love stated in a 1993 interview that he found the original lyrics "so totally offensive [and] nauseating" that he refused to sing them.[18] He told Wilson that he was strongly opposed to drugs such as LSD and did not wish for the Beach Boys to be associated with its culture.[19] In his recollection, he was aware of the fact that Wilson had experimented with LSD and knew that the "prevailing drug jargon [suggested] that doses of LSD would shatter your ego, as if that were a positive thing... I wasn't interested in taking acid or getting rid of my ego."[20] He said, "The people that I'd seen indulge in those things exhibited behaviors and mannerisms that left much to be desired."[16] Great explanation.
February 22, 20241 yr On 2/16/2024 at 2:34 PM, ztejas said: As in - he's even more batshit insane than usual? Fuck you for not only insulting one of the greatest American songwriters ever, but also for insulting anyone with either a major mental illness or dementia.
February 22, 20241 yr 28 minutes ago, honolulu horn said: Fuck you for not only insulting one of the greatest American songwriters ever, but also for insulting anyone with either a major mental illness or dementia.
February 22, 20241 yr On 2/16/2024 at 11:13 PM, UTCzech III said: Truly sad. Hell he's 5 years older than my mom and she's in a nursing home unable to move basically, but still sharp mentally 5 years from now, who knows...). But Jesus, let's see, blowing your mind on drugs (luckily able to somewhat come through it unlike Syd Barrett), having both of your younger brothers die before you (as someone who has lost a younger sibling, yeah, that will fuck you up the rest of your life), a cousin who went nutso and took you to court, and a "manager" who controlled your entire life and tried to steal you blind. My mind would be mush too. I don't think he is near the end, but I do believe he is totally done creatively, or even as a "prop" on any kind of tour or anything. He was the ultimate man-child. Just never grew up, wrote some of the most brilliant music and melodies ever, but accompanied by just simple, juvenile even lyrics. He was just stuck in that "Great American Songbook" style of writing, from the 30s through the 50's, into the early 60's, but he could just never progress any further. A true savant, we will never see his likes again. Just a few favorites, again, the lyrics don't matter, it's the sound, the blend, the chords, the arrangements, that are true genius. One of the most brilliant songs ever written, if you're musically inclined, just try to mentally figure the chord structure out as this is playing, where is the center? You can't do it.. again, such a deceptively simple song, but track where the chords go, every way you 'don't' expect them to go.. https://tabs.ultimate-guitar.com/tab/the-beach-boys/god-only-knows-chords-1050794 This attempt to map it shows 22(!) chord variations. Jesus.
February 22, 20241 yr 57 minutes ago, Al_4_ISU said: https://tabs.ultimate-guitar.com/tab/the-beach-boys/god-only-knows-chords-1050794 This attempt to map it shows 22(!) chord variations. Jesus. Jesus would have had 33, so…
February 24, 20241 yr Beach Boys was the first concert I ever saw. 1981 in the Erwin Center w/ opening act - Randy Meisner. Great show, esp. for a youngster. Pretty sure Brian did not tour with them even then. And only played live on occasion. That said, he was one of the great songwriters of the 20th century.
February 24, 20241 yr Saw Brian Wilson tour with Rodriguez about 10 years ago. Incredible. His musical catalog is already unparalleled, but his back story makes the music all the more amazing.
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