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April 8, 20241 yr I guess I don't pay attention, but I just realized that there is a shadow operative and a shadow operative 2.0 mind blown. I guess I just never focused on the 2.0 and thought they were the same person. Maybe they are . who knows.
April 9, 20241 yr Fuck, that's it! I've had it with this dump of a board. We got no food. We got no jobs. Our Derka's heads are falling off!
April 9, 20241 yr 10 hours ago, Francisco 2.0 said: What in the actual fuck have I spent the last 45 minutes catching up to. New motto?
April 9, 20241 yr i assume derka has been banned or will be banned now? I really don’t follow the threads where any of this shit goes down so I don’t have a good sense of it, but either way - best of luck dude. I’ll always remember being new and thinking you were the black guy in your rap video.
April 9, 20241 yr 1 hour ago, Celery Man said: i assume derka has been banned or will be banned now? I really don’t follow the threads where any of this shit goes down so I don’t have a good sense of it, but either way - best of luck dude. I’ll always remember being new and thinking you were the black guy in your rap video. I've seen a post or two from him over the last couple days. Like sands through the hourglass, so are the Derkas of our lives.
April 9, 20241 yr 13 hours ago, nineliveslost said: I guess I don't pay attention, but I just realized that there is a shadow operative and a shadow operative 2.0 I seriously wonder how some of you dress yourselves in the morning.
April 9, 20241 yr On 4/5/2024 at 6:36 PM, royiv said: One Shining Moment is going to especially poignant this year. Given the occasion, we should dust off the classic
April 9, 20241 yr 31 minutes ago, ztejas said: I seriously wonder how some of you dress yourselves in the morning. Shirt first, Donald Duck style.
April 9, 20241 yr I ain't reading 11 pages. Who was being toxic? Also, can I get my account deleted? I'd do it myself but can't find the option. Kthxbai.
April 9, 20241 yr 45 minutes ago, ztejas said: I seriously wonder how some of you dress yourselves in the morning. I will most assuredly not pay any closer attention in the future. Majority number of times I can't align usernames with posts anyway. Just don't care
April 9, 20241 yr 44 minutes ago, Covri said: Shirt first, Donald Duck style. Shirt only, it's call Pooh Bearing. I'm a fan. Edited April 9, 20241 yr by nineliveslost the h matters
April 9, 20241 yr 46 minutes ago, FirstTimeCaller said: I ain't reading 11 pages. Who was being toxic? Also, can I get my account deleted? I'd do it myself but can't find the option. Kthxbai. PM shadow operative 3.0
April 9, 20241 yr 1 hour ago, FirstTimeCaller said: I ain't reading 11 pages. Who was being toxic? Also, can I get my account deleted? I'd do it myself but can't find the option. Kthxbai. 1) close this tab 2) don't come back
April 9, 20241 yr 1 hour ago, FirstTimeCaller said: I ain't reading 11 pages. Who was being toxic? You have 3 sides to this story. Derka’s, Motown’s and the truth. Reading this over the weekend, especially the examples posted by both sides, I realized that this really looks like standard message board banter that both sides appear to have taken way too personally.
April 9, 20241 yr 35 minutes ago, Captain Ron said: You have 3 sides to this story. Derka’s, Motown’s and the truth. Reading this over the weekend, especially the examples posted by both sides, I realized that this really looks like standard message board banter that both sides appear to have taken way too personally. I agree it was standard message board banter that one side took way too personally. I didn't take it personally at all. I wasn't PMing mods and devising a scheme to get Derka banned. I didn't ask for Derka to be banned, I didn't try to get Derka banned, and I don't even want Derka to be banned. That was all on him. All he had to do was click the ignore button and not be an enormous dick to the site owner.
April 9, 20241 yr 2 hours ago, Captain Ron said: You have 3 sides to this story. Derka’s, Motown’s and the truth. Reading this over the weekend, especially the examples posted by both sides, I realized that this really looks like standard message board banter that both sides appear to have taken way too personally. Yup and only 1 side of both of those sides decided to take it out on the owner. But hey he's the bullied guy, right? right? Nah....Derka was a bully that cries wolf anytime someone goes at him the same way he goes after other people. Net positive for the board that fuck is gone.
April 9, 20241 yr The guy was mentally ill. If he genuinely can't control it, I don't think it's fair to shit on him for it.
April 9, 20241 yr Popular Post i've been on these boards for 25 years. this is not "the internet", and should never be dismissed as that, especially to excuse or allow what might be labeled "typical and unavoidable online bullying". this is not elon's twitter. this is not reddit. this is a community, and always has been. i know many of you in real life. some i knew before and separately from these sites, and others since. i've met a whole bunch more out in the world just once or twice. i've met some of you for lunch, a beer, scored coke for one of you, and connected another of you with a midget for a bachelor party in vegas. rip donny. i am friends with derka. not "friendly", friends. i knew he and bob had been meeting and working on things, and i thought that was great of bob to do, and i know derka appreciated it. i did not become friends with derka to help him through his mental issues, i became friends with him because i like him and we have a lot in common and i enjoy talking sports and tv shows with him. we text most every day. i've texted with his mom, and she is a wonderful and supportive human being. happy birthday, betsy. derka gets worked up here, like others do at home, a sporting event, a bar, or a grocery store. everyone has their outlets. that's who he is, and if you don't think he's worked hard and gotten a shit-ton better over the years, you haven't been paying attention. derka has an issue letting things go and settling back down from a worked-up state. he'd be the first to admit this. he has bitten his tongue, so to speak, dozens, if not hundreds of times, when people would antagonize him. it's bullshit it was happening to begin with, but he was doing his best not to exacerbate the issue. what you've seen from him on this site is not perfect, but it was the best he could do, and i consider it admirable. again, i'm his friend, so i am a biased commenter here. there's nothing about this situation that doesn't suck. i think most of us are on the same page on that. surly is not groupthink. it's not an echo chamber. even the cloak room isn't that way, though it's often characterized as such. anyone who says that hasn't been over there in several years. there are lots of opinions, lots of discussions, and lots of characters that fill out this community. but there's only one derka. immamac is trying to change that, and i disagree mightily with this decision. it also sucked that it was made in advance, which makes this even more inexcusable. flying off the handle and making a rash decision at least could be understood, if not justified. yes, it is his decision to make, no one is disputing whether he has that ability. yes, it sucks that derka and bob were on the road to recovery, and immamac stepped in and reversed that progress. ironically, this type of reversal is exactly the type of thing that drives derka over the edge. he jumped through the hoops, he did the work, he shared himself, he was honest and self-deprecating about it. and now he's told no, it's easier just to rid ourselves of you. someone upthread called derka a cancer. i know because i negged him. it's probably my 2nd or 3rd ever neg-rep and i stand by it. cancer needs to be removed to make the body stronger. that's not what's happening here. if derka is gone for good, it will make things worse. worse for him and worse for this community. from reading through this thread, it's pretty obvious that i'm not alone in this opinion. a few pages ago, immamac said that sometimes derka would get banned, and he would get pm's asking for him to be reinstated, because derka had asked people to do this. as someone who has sent one of those pm's, i can say i was not asked to do so. if you know derka at all, you would know he doesn't go around begging others to fight his battles. shit, how could anyone not know this? i saw what happened and sent those messages on my own accord, because while i don't always do what's right, i always know what's right. and this is not right. reinstate him. it's what's right.
April 9, 20241 yr 8 minutes ago, henrygandorf said: i've been on these boards for 25 years. this is not "the internet", and should never be dismissed as that, especially to excuse or allow what might be labeled "typical and unavoidable online bullying". this is not elon's twitter. this is not reddit. this is a community, and always has been. i know many of you in real life. some i knew before and separately from these sites, and others since. i've met a whole bunch more out in the world just once or twice. i've met some of you for lunch, a beer, scored coke for one of you, and connected another of you with a midget for a bachelor party in vegas. rip donny. i am friends with derka. not "friendly", friends. i knew he and bob had been meeting and working on things, and i thought that was great of bob to do, and i know derka appreciated it. i did not become friends with derka to help him through his mental issues, i became friends with him because i like him and we have a lot in common and i enjoy talking sports and tv shows with him. we text most every day. i've texted with his mom, and she is a wonderful and supportive human being. happy birthday, betsy. derka gets worked up here, like others do at home, a sporting event, a bar, or a grocery store. everyone has their outlets. that's who he is, and if you don't think he's worked hard and gotten a shit-ton better over the years, you haven't been paying attention. derka has an issue letting things go and settling back down from a worked-up state. he'd be the first to admit this. he has bitten his tongue, so to speak, dozens, if not hundreds of times, when people would antagonize him. it's bullshit it was happening to begin with, but he was doing his best not to exacerbate the issue. what you've seen from him on this site is not perfect, but it was the best he could do, and i consider it admirable. again, i'm his friend, so i am a biased commenter here. there's nothing about this situation that doesn't suck. i think most of us are on the same page on that. surly is not groupthink. it's not an echo chamber. even the cloak room isn't that way, though it's often characterized as such. anyone who says that hasn't been over there in several years. there are lots of opinions, lots of discussions, and lots of characters that fill out this community. but there's only one derka. immamac is trying to change that, and i disagree mightily with this decision. it also sucked that it was made in advance, which makes this even more inexcusable. flying off the handle and making a rash decision at least could be understood, if not justified. yes, it is his decision to make, no one is disputing whether he has that ability. yes, it sucks that derka and bob were on the road to recovery, and immamac stepped in and reversed that progress. ironically, this type of reversal is exactly the type of thing that drives derka over the edge. he jumped through the hoops, he did the work, he shared himself, he was honest and self-deprecating about it. and now he's told no, it's easier just to rid ourselves of you. someone upthread called derka a cancer. i know because i negged him. it's probably my 2nd or 3rd ever neg-rep and i stand by it. cancer needs to be removed to make the body stronger. that's not what's happening here. if derka is gone for good, it will make things worse. worse for him and worse for this community. from reading through this thread, it's pretty obvious that i'm not alone in this opinion. a few pages ago, immamac said that sometimes derka would get banned, and he would get pm's asking for him to be reinstated, because derka had asked people to do this. as someone who has sent one of those pm's, i can say i was not asked to do so. if you know derka at all, you would know he doesn't go around begging others to fight his battles. shit, how could anyone not know this? i saw what happened and sent those messages on my own accord, because while i don't always do what's right, i always know what's right. and this is not right. reinstate him. it's what's right. and really, what is this place if not a very large online version of the gang?
April 9, 20241 yr Shit, and I thought it was serious business over on the "Women over 40" thread when I said Eva Longoria was average w/o make-up, but this? This is something on a level I never imagined.
April 9, 20241 yr 43 minutes ago, Cajun said: Shit, and I thought it was serious business over on the "Women over 40" thread when I said Eva Longoria was average w/o make-up, but this? This is something on a level I never imagined. you said what? Duuuuude.
April 9, 20241 yr 2 hours ago, chainsaw said: The guy was mentally ill. If he genuinely can't control it, I don't think it's fair to shit on him for it. What if he paid extra to be shat on?
April 9, 20241 yr I salute you Shadow Operative! May your ill fortune on surly be met with the surprise of a beautiful life!
April 10, 20241 yr Popular Post Everyone treats Derka like shit and then freaks out when he blows up and then we do the same thing all over again. Let’s all just calm down. What I’m trying to say is that Derka is Hamas and Surly is Israel. And I support Hamas. That came out wrong but the point stands.
April 10, 20241 yr 10 minutes ago, Hank Scorpio said: Everyone treats Derka like shit and then freaks out when he blows up and then we do the same thing all over again. Let’s all just calm down. What I’m trying to say is that Derka is Hamas and Surly is Israel. And I support Hamas. That came out wrong but the point stands.
April 10, 20241 yr Popular Post Was linked to this thread today. Derka shouldn't be permabaned. I realize who he is as a poster, and as a person, and I understand the viewpoint that someone who apparently has a mental illness to the point that he can't even put a poster on ignore shouldn't be on a webstie like this one...it's not a post without merit. And if I'm Immamac, who deals with so much thankless bullshit for this site becuase he also loves it, I can totally understand where he's coming from, and this decision. Does/Has Derka get special treatment? Maybe. And maybe he should get special treatment, becuase as other posters have said this board means a lot more to him than it probably does, or even CAN for the rest of us. The guy has been with us for 20 years, and he does create content instead of drive by bullshit, and there is 100% a contingent of motherfuckers on this site who bullies him. And honestly maybe we can give him special treatment because we know Derka has problems, we know how little he has and that so much of it is this community, and because that's who we can be as a community. Sometimes online, even when you CAN defend yourself online and the wannabe bullies and cowards can't handle it, then the just try new and other ways to be bullies and pieces of shit and fuck with your life. And that's what a lot of bullies do, they don't like you or what you say so they find some other way to attack you, usually becuase their own lives are such worthless pieces of shit. I know a little but about that personally. They can't handle you with their own posts, so they'll try another way to fuck with your life. Unfortunately for Derka, a chunk of this community is his life, and it's pretty easy for people online to fuck with his life as a result. I'm sad to see him go. And for everyone who said he's a cancer, who whined about him not just hitting ignore and learning to grow up, that's a fucking two way street. Any of you could have put him on ignore at any point and been the non-mentally ill adult in the room. Or could you? Thanks for your patience, @immamac. You do a ton for this community because you also love it, and many just don't recognize it. Edited April 10, 20241 yr by SydneyCarton
April 10, 20241 yr I agree with everything posted above except for calling me a "bully." I went out of my way to NOT bully the guy. Also blacklabs never told me all that stuff Derka says he told me. He would just suspend me out of nowhere with a nasty message I couldn't even respond to. No one ever said anything to me about an IP ban or anything else. Every time blacklabs would say something to me like "Derka doesn't like you using the phrase tourney dynamo to mock Chris Beard" I would say "ok I will not use that phrase if that bothers him. Even though that's ridiculous." I did my best to NOT torment or bully him. In the last 6 to 12 months there's been tons of posters who have been a lot ruder to Derka than I was. For whatever reason he got it in his head that I was his big enemy and focused on me. This apparent deal he had with blacklabs to try to get me banned did not serve him well IMO. It just made him fixate on me and make up this big battle in his head where he was going to emerge as King of the Message Board. I think blacklabs had Derka's best interest at heart, and was trying to help, but turning it into a game to get me banned was not helpful. It fed into his problem instead of helping solve it. I truly feel bad he's banned and I hope he is well. I'm not his enemy or bully. I'm just a guy who had a different opinion than him.
April 10, 20241 yr Here are the posts that Derka reported to get me suspended and try to get me banned. I'll let you all decide if they are bullying him. 1) 2) I will admit this one is not ideal, but I don't think it's really bullying 3) 4) this is the post that was apparently so bad I deserved to be IP banned Edited April 10, 20241 yr by MotownHorn
April 10, 20241 yr You can also look at posts 2073 and 2076 in the fire RT thread I add a disclaimer to post 2073 so Derka didn't feel like I was attacking him personally. Post 2076 is a long rant calling my opinion "stupid" and a "joke." I did not reply to Derka's rude response to my post because I did not want to upset him. I did that dozens of times in the last few months. He'd attack me directly, I'd ignore it. I swear to God I was trying to deescalate any conflict with the guy. I tried to post supportive messages to him etc. I can't control that Derka got it in his head that I was his big enemy and he was really gonna get me good by working with blacklabs to get me permabanned. I wish I understood earlier that I could put him on ignore and still see the threads he started. That may have avoided the whole thing. It's all very silly and stupid. Again, I apologize to Derka, the mods, and the boards for my role in this matter.
April 10, 20241 yr If you read someone of Derka's posts in this thread he literally says "Motown Horn would say nice things to me, but he didn't mean them!" How the fuck would he know if I meant it or not? He doesn't know me. I definitely meant it. I wish the guy no ill will and I'm sincerely worried about him now. Again he got it in his head that I was his big enemy despite the fact that I tried to ignore him, be nice to him, and deescalate things with him.
April 10, 20241 yr Popular Post Wasn’t Motown complaining that Derka just couldn’t let stuff go? Fucking hypocrite. And very cowardly to pile on now that he can’t respond
April 10, 20241 yr Popular Post 14 minutes ago, MotownHorn said: If you read someone of Derka's posts in this thread he literally says "Motown Horn would say nice things to me, but he didn't mean them!" How the fuck would he know if I meant it or not? He doesn't know me. I definitely meant it. I wish the guy no ill will and I'm sincerely worried about him now. Again he got it in his head that I was his big enemy despite the fact that I tried to ignore him, be nice to him, and deescalate things with him. Dude, you already won. He's banned. So fuck off and shut up.
April 10, 20241 yr 11 minutes ago, MotownHorn said: I wasn’t trying to “win.” That’s the main difference between the two of us here You sure are doing a lot of explaining and showing your side of things for someone who isn't trying to win.
April 10, 20241 yr I don’t like being called a bully I didn’t post any of this stuff while Derka was still here in order to avoid antagonizing him
April 10, 20241 yr 2 minutes ago, HornOnTheBayou said: Remember, Derka's the one that can't let things go.
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