January 14Jan 14 3 minutes ago, NoName said: So Ohio State or Oregon? Great. You left out Michigan on the billionaire side
January 14Jan 14 To me, on the Defensive side, losing Collin Simmons would be the biggest kick in the nuts by far....way more so than Hill and a million times more than Muhammad. Offensively, obviously, losing Arch would be foundationally devastating, but anyone else is either replaceable or we have depth. That'll be $9.95
January 14Jan 14 Bobby Burton said on Coffee & Football this morning that Ohio State is prepared to spend 30 million on NIL moving forward. I'm unsure if that was their yearly rotating budget or a one off.
January 14Jan 14 Well, when I’m hoping the two guys are “only” Manny and Wingo I’m not in a happy place.
January 14Jan 14 2 minutes ago, AlrightAlrightAlright said: Bobby Burton said on Coffee & Football this morning that Ohio State is prepared to spend 30 million on NIL moving forward. I'm unsure if that was their yearly rotating budget or a one off. wonder if that budget hit that high after their wins vs TN, Oregon and us?? All in because they have a terrific chance of winning it all?
January 14Jan 14 Author Muhammad has been talking shit about leaving and "not shorting himself again" for more than a month. I'm assuming he's gone. I assume others include Wingo and Hill with the way everyone is acting.
January 14Jan 14 Just now, Thiefery said: wonder if that budget hit that high after their wins vs TN, Oregon and us?? All in because they have a terrific chance of winning it all? I think this was a moving forward budget.
January 14Jan 14 Just now, Fondren & Main said: I would like to see us target that team's best player as a sort of tit for tat. Fuck it. Go get Williams from Bama. They are poor. And it would be fun. If it’s Wingo as I assume is one. If it’s Hill and Manny and not Wingo go get Williams anyway. except that stupid sec to sec spring transfer rule. Is that still a thing?
January 14Jan 14 I heard about an offensive player yesterday who was apparently thinking hard about the portal. It wasn't one of the notable guys (Wingo, Arch, etc), but still was somewhat surprising. On a scale of 1-10 with 10 being losing Colin Simmons, I would put it at like a 4.
January 14Jan 14 If the decision’s already been made, why work so hard to keep the name a secret? They’re leaving, fuck doing them any favors.
January 14Jan 14 1 minute ago, Thiefery said: wonder if that budget hit that high after their wins vs TN, Oregon and us?? All in because they have a terrific chance of winning it all? Watching Michigan kick their ass again and win the national title is what lit the fire under their asses last year.
January 14Jan 14 1 minute ago, Wulaw Horn said: Fuck it. Go get Williams from Bama. They are poor. And it would be fun. If it’s Wingo as I assume is one. If it’s Hill and Manny and not Wingo go get Williams anyway. except that stupid sec to sec spring transfer rule. Is that still a thing? Well, sure, but I want to know who is fucking with us. We need to send a message.
January 14Jan 14 1 minute ago, closetojumping said: Muhammad has been talking shit about leaving and "not shorting himself again" for more than a month. I'm assuming he's gone. I assume others include Wingo and Hill with the way everyone is acting. Yeah- some people are reporting 2. That would mean Wingo or Hill not Wingo and Hill, but maybe it’s all 3 (assuming manny is 1 for sure which seems fair). Which- cool- whatever. I think he’s better than he played the last 2 games but if he’s checked out during the playoffs fuck him/ go be mentally weak somewhere else.
January 14Jan 14 1 minute ago, Fondren & Main said: Well, sure, but I want to know who is fucking with us. We need to send a message. I mean- yeah I get that. Probably worth it for the deterrent value alone going forward.
January 14Jan 14 15 minutes ago, closetojumping said: Texas just signed the #1 class in the country. NIL and those aiding it aren't an issue. There's not really anything that can be done if a billionaire comes in over the top for someone or if an aggressive collective offers a ridiculous pile of cash to someone. An entire roster has to be managed. Guess let's see who it is. But if you pay, develop and then lose a 5 star in their prime to a higher bidder, do you have to start rethinking how much you allocate to recruiting vs. retaining/poaching? Crazy world to try to manage without a salary cap or multi-year contracts.
January 14Jan 14 12 minutes ago, Chuckie Finster said: This is an absolutely insane way to run a sport. Are you under the illusion or assumption that anyone is "running" college football? Edited January 14Jan 14 by MuellerHorn
January 14Jan 14 2 minutes ago, Wulaw Horn said: Yeah- some people are reporting 2. That would mean Wingo or Hill not Wingo and Hill, but maybe it’s all 3 (assuming manny is 1 for sure which seems fair). Which- cool- whatever. I think he’s better than he played the last 2 games but if he’s checked out during the playoffs fuck him/ go be mentally weak somewhere else. he was solid for us all season.. yeah he got roughed up vs Clemson and allowed that horrible catch from a passing RB vs asu.. but him wanting more money doesn't make him mentally weak.
January 14Jan 14 I can't see it being Hill. Maybe I'm too caught up in the emotional aspect but his little brother loves Texas and I'm presuming Hill is well taken care of. The amount of buy-in and support for him and his brother and his story. Idk I don't see it.
January 14Jan 14 Just now, BornAndRaised said: I can't see it being Hill. Maybe I'm too caught up in the emotional aspect but his little brother loves Texas and I'm presuming Hill is well taken care of. The amount of buy-in and support for him and his brother and his story. Idk I don't see it. That's Simmons I think.
January 14Jan 14 Just now, BornAndRaised said: I can't see it being Hill. Maybe I'm too caught up in the emotional aspect but his little brother loves Texas and I'm presuming Hill is well taken care of. The amount of buy-in and support for him and his brother and his story. Idk I don't see it. I just couldn't see it being a Hill or Simmons because I refuse to believe Texas would let those guys walk without ponying up the money to keep them.
January 14Jan 14 Hill and Wingo both have Instagram stories with Texas content up, for what it’s worth Edit: So does Simmons Edited January 14Jan 14 by skipmcgee
January 14Jan 14 Author 4 minutes ago, Skipper said: Guess let's see who it is. But if you pay, develop and then lose a 5 star in their prime to a higher bidder, do you have to start rethinking how much you allocate to recruiting vs. retaining/poaching? Crazy world to try to manage without a salary cap or multi-year contracts. I guess I'm not sure I understand what needs "rethinking" in this landscape. Texas is a have, not a have-not, but it isn't the only one and a few are bigger. If Oregon or Michigan or Ohio State wants to turn everyone else, including Texas, into a developmental school, then there's no recourse on our end. Dell, Hildebrandt and others with 11 figures are not participating with Texas. Guys like them or with even more money than them are playing roles for other groups. We cannot crowdsource our way out of that problem. 2 minutes ago, Thiefery said: he was solid for us all season.. yeah he got roughed up vs Clemson and allowed that horrible catch from a passing RB vs asu.. but him wanting more money doesn't make him mentally weak. He sucked in the playoffs, and that directly follows the beginning of shit talking in social media. He's been paid really, really well. If someone wants to pay something absurd for him, and he's checked out, so be it. The guy has made close to $2M since stepping on campus two years ago. We can and will get angry at whoever is buying him, but I also don't begrudge anyone who has a problem with the player here also.
January 14Jan 14 7 minutes ago, Thiefery said: he was solid for us all season.. yeah he got roughed up vs Clemson and allowed that horrible catch from a passing RB vs asu.. but him wanting more money doesn't make him mentally weak. No, checking out mentally during the playoffs is what would make him mentally weak. Go win it all and go get paid- sure- whatever. Decide you are gone and then short time it during the playoffs? Fuck off with that shit- finish your commitment (financial) to your employers and your implicit commitment to your teammates.
January 14Jan 14 5 minutes ago, Fondren & Main said: That's Simmons I think. I definitely err'ed. Simmons founded Clay's Color Crew for his little brother with Autism. I was speaking to Hill's little brother who is a die-hard Texas fan. See below Spoiler
January 14Jan 14 2 minutes ago, closetojumping said: I guess I'm not sure I understand what needs "rethinking" in this landscape. Texas is a have, not a have-not, but it isn't the only one and a few are bigger. If Oregon or Michigan or Ohio State wants to turn everyone else, including Texas, into a developmental school, then there's no recourse on our end. Dell, Hildebrandt and others with 11 figures are not participating with Texas. Guys like them or with even more money than them are playing roles for other groups. We cannot crowdsource our way out of that problem. Would a push from the BoR chair, CDC, or potentially the next president to some of the guys you've named help in that respect or is it a lost cause to even try and get them to participate in NIL?
January 14Jan 14 If Oregon or whoever is offering MM something goofy like $2 million…. for that amount we can restock our DT room and get a portal RB. With money left over. Hell get corner to put across from Kobe Black next year. Manny is good but very replaceable.
January 14Jan 14 2 minutes ago, Wulaw Horn said: No, checking out mentally during the playoffs is what would make him mentally weak. Go win it all and go get paid- sure- whatever. Decide you are gone and then short time it during the playoffs? Fuck off with that shit- finish your commitment (financial) to your employers and your implicit commitment to your teammates. just saying, he played well the other night.. think the only real negative play was a PI, but i'll refer to you and CTJ when it comes to this stuff.
January 14Jan 14 Just now, Red Five said: If Oregon or whoever is offering MM something goofy like $2 million…. for that amount we can restock our DT room and get a portal RB. With money left over. Hell get corner to put across from Kobe Black next year. Manny is good but very replaceable. Same argument with Wingo. But if it’s higher than those two that starts to get non-replaceable…
January 14Jan 14 Popular Post Colin Simmons posted "r u coming back?" on Wingo's instagram. Wingo liked it.
January 14Jan 14 3 minutes ago, Wulaw Horn said: No, checking out mentally during the playoffs is what would make him mentally weak. Go win it all and go get paid- sure- whatever. Decide you are gone and then short time it during the playoffs? Fuck off with that shit- finish your commitment (financial) to your employers and your implicit commitment to your teammates. Manny wasn’t good in the Clemson game but it didn’t look like it was due to a lack of effort or focus. He had that one mishap in the ASU game where he either possibly lost the ball in lights or thought he had inside help. He didn’t cost us the TOSU game. So I don’t agree he was short timing it in the playoffs. I personally wouldn’t be too upset if he was one of the two players, I’d prefer he stays, but if he leaves I’m not going to rewrite his history here either to shit on him.
January 14Jan 14 Wingo will be the focal point of the passing attack next year. It would be odd for him to move on but WTH do I know.
January 14Jan 14 CTJ has basically told us MM is gone, but this all but confirms it if this is how our 9.95ers are talking. Black is going to be one of the starters; so if Wilson and Phillips are battling for the other spot, MM is gone. \
January 14Jan 14 2 minutes ago, Longhornlove said: Wingo will be the focal point of the passing attack next year. It would be odd for him to move on but WTH do I know. Obviously I don't know the ins and outs, but didn't Wingo come down to us and Missouri due to a massive NIL promise that they couldn't deliver in the end? I love Wingo but of all of the names being discussed, sans Muhammed because I think it's him, Wingo would make the most sense.
January 14Jan 14 Johntay posted about 15 pictures of himself over the last 24 hours and one of Wingo. Weird shit.
January 14Jan 14 29 minutes ago, closetojumping said: Muhammad has been talking shit about leaving and "not shorting himself again" for more than a month. I'm assuming he's gone. I assume others include Wingo and Hill with the way everyone is acting. Jesus Fucking Christ.
January 14Jan 14 So...Sark leaving is considered highly unlikely? I'd like to stand down from DEFCON 1.
January 14Jan 14 1 minute ago, MuellerHorn said: CTJ has basically told us MM is gone, but this all but confirms it if this is how our 9.95ers are talking. Black is going to be one of the starters; so if Wilson and Phillips are battling for the other spot, MM is gone. \ When i saw the blurb hyping up Parker Livingstone I wept for Arch.
January 14Jan 14 3 minutes ago, MuellerHorn said: CTJ has basically told us MM is gone, but this all but confirms it if this is how our 9.95ers are talking. Black is going to be one of the starters; so if Wilson and Phillips are battling for the other spot, MM is gone. \ Funny considering CTJ labeled him something to the tune of Jaggy McJaggerson. Edited January 14Jan 14 by Longhornlove
January 14Jan 14 Author Popular Post 2 minutes ago, AlrightAlrightAlright said: Would a push from the BoR chair, CDC, or potentially the next president to some of the guys you've named help in that respect or is it a lost cause to even try and get them to participate in NIL? My view is that those guys are a lost cause. Hildebrandt came up with 20 reasons why he wouldn't participate and it was obvious from the beginning that guys putting in effort with him, God bless them, were working a dry well. I don't think Dell's ever even returned a call or taken a meeting. Could be wrong, but I don't think he's done anything whatsoever. It's often been discussed that, one day in the future, Texas will be decimated by tampering in the portal because not enough of the big money has offered to help and the big money that has is fully fatigued. The theory goes that once that happens, a number of non-participants will call in and try to bitch about this stuff, because that's what a lot of the old guys with money do when it comes to things they cannot put their name on at Texas. When those calls come in, someone is going to be able to better illustrate at that point that this day of reckoning happened because of their insouciance. Good luck with it if today is that day. I'm dubious about the viability of that theory, in any event. 2 minutes ago, Red Five said: If Oregon or whoever is offering MM something goofy like $2 million…. for that amount we can restock our DT room and get a portal RB. With money left over. Hell get corner to put across from Kobe Black next year. Manny is good but very replaceable. The price of poker continues to go up. If you're a top program, and Texas clearly is, then the war for roster acquisition and retention isn't solely with the other titans. The war exists on that front, no doubt. However, there's a second front to this thing and it's going against the Lilliputians. Any school can go crazy for one player of need, whether Colorado State, Michigan State, UCLA, Kentucky, whatever. If your program produces an inordinate amount of well-developed talent, your program is targeted more often. That means ponying up crazier and crazier totals. Texas had the biggest payroll in the sport this past cycle, along with Ohio State. Forget whatever else you read if it is counter to that. These are facts. Ohio State goes now to $30M from $25M and they have less they're trying to retain. In order for Texas to fully counter that in the arms race, it needs more than $30M in this cycle. Fuck me and fuck you in terms of expecting that to happen without serious pain and anguish from numerous corners of the ecosystem.
January 14Jan 14 1 minute ago, closetojumping said: The price of poker continues to go up. If you're a top program, and Texas clearly is, then the war for roster acquisition and retention isn't solely with the other titans. The war exists on that front, no doubt. However, there's a second front to this thing and it's going against the Lilliputians. Any school can go crazy for one player of need, whether Colorado State, Michigan State, UCLA, Kentucky, whatever. If your program produces an inordinate amount of well-developed talent, your program is targeted more often. That means ponying up crazier and crazier totals. Just high-lighting this. I have a buddy at work who's involved with Utah, and he said they blew almost the entirety of their NIL budget on Cam Rising this year. Obviously it didn't work but if a program feels that a player is program shaping, or defining, they'll definitely pony up what they can.
January 14Jan 14 It feels like it’s wingo. I don’t want him gone but I’d rather keep hill and Simmons if it’s out of those 3. If wingo goes to mizz then that’s stupid on his part. Now if he goes to Oregon Michigan Ohio state then Texas needs to stop being so nice. Steal someone. Offer Ryan Williams a lot of money to say no. Lincoln tried to do it with worthy. We need to come with the same energy. Ohio state spent a lot last year in the portal. It paid off and now they are willing to do it again. How bad does Texas want to win? If they aren’t willing to steal and scrap their way to it then that’s on them. “Scared money don’t make no money”
January 14Jan 14 13 minutes ago, BornAndRaised said: Obviously I don't know the ins and outs, but didn't Wingo come down to us and Missouri due to a massive NIL promise that they couldn't deliver in the end? I love Wingo but of all of the names being discussed, sans Muhammed because I think it's him, Wingo would make the most sense. It came don't to us and Missouri, but it wasn't due to an NIL promise they couldn't deliver. Becuase how could that have been determined before signing day? It wasn't Rashada at Florida, man.
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