July 22, 20187 yr Quote Did you hear the one about him fighting a black groundskeeper over the condition of the Tigers' Spring Training field and then choking the man's wife when she intervened? Or the one about him jumping into the stands to beat up a fan who had no arms? Perhaps you've heard that he was a member of the Ku Klux Klan. Or that he pistol-whipped African-American men simply because they had the gall to share a sidewalk with him. Or that he once killed a guy with a baseball bat and then used that very bat to hit a home run the next day. Certainly you know he sharpened his spikes to wound opposing players. This is the monster we point to as a means to convey how wild baseball's olden days really were and how intellectually inconsistent it is to deny anybody entry into the Hall of Fame because of the character clause. Rougned Odor? He punched Jose Bautista square in the jaw, but he's got nothing on the Cobb we think we know. This is the Cobb who author Charles Leerhsen thought he knew when he decided to write a biography about him. It was a slam-dunk subject. There had not been a major Cobb book in a couple of decades, so Leerhsen, a former Sports Illustrated editor, figured he'd add some new and nuanced research to the work of previous writers, finding previously uncovered examples of Cobb being an awful person, and he'd have a hit on his hands. Turns out, Leerhsen does have a hit on his hands. But not the one he intended. The truth he's helped uncover in his book, "Ty Cobb: A Terrible Beauty," is changing old assumptions and painting a picture of Cobb that -- get this -- actually makes him appear to be a human being. Quote More at the link
July 22, 20187 yr Why do I get the feeling that the books ends, “....nahhhhh. I’m just fucking with you. He was a complete dick!”
July 22, 20187 yr I'll believe the Stump stuff. But I've read multiple books by Charles Alexander, including the Cobb one. Every chapter has about 100 footnotes. I have trouble believing he skimped on his research.
July 23, 20187 yr 2 hours ago, Beau Vine said: I'll believe the Stump stuff. But I've read multiple books by Charles Alexander, including the Cobb one. Every chapter has about 100 footnotes. I have trouble believing he skimped on his research. Don’t trust Stump, myself. There is significant evidence that he exaggerated claims about no one showing up to Cobb’s funeral. I don’t think the guy was an angel, but I do think Stump had an agenda.
July 23, 20187 yr None of us could stand the son of a bitch when he was alive, so we told him to stick it!
July 23, 20187 yr 1 hour ago, miguelito said: None of us could stand the son of a bitch when he was alive, so we told him to stick it! There you go Shoeless Joe!
July 23, 20187 yr Quote Or that he once killed a guy with a baseball bat and then used that very bat to hit a home run the next day. This ones pretty cool.
July 23, 20187 yr the only part that's hard to believe was the homer. he wasn't much of a power hitter.
July 24, 20187 yr I hope he was as bad as I have been led to believe. It would really diminish one of my heroes if those stories are myth.
July 24, 20187 yr 14 hours ago, henrygandorf said: the only part that's hard to believe was the homer. he wasn't much of a power hitter. 11 seasons in the top 10 in homers in the AL, led the league one year...
July 24, 20187 yr 17 minutes ago, Beau Vine said: 11 seasons in the top 10 in homers in the AL, led the league one year... really dude? he played for 24 seasons and had 117 total. i understand the game was different back then, but he had over 9 twice (12 both times). his career overlapped with babe ruth for a pretty good chunk and the babe had 6x as many career homers. with the amount of speed he had (and triples he hit) i bet a lot were inside-the-park as well, with those huge ballparks with essentially no back wall.
July 24, 20187 yr He was as much of a power hitter as any of his contemporaries, other than about 5 guys. You rarely get triples or itpers without hitting the ball hard.
July 24, 20187 yr It’s almost like writing about how he wasn’t as mean as they say could lead to more book sales, as it would be a different perspective than the other biographies already available.
July 24, 20187 yr at no point did i say he didn't hit the ball hard. i said power hitter. that means homers, and everyone knows it. for shits and giggs, i looked it up, and he had 46 inside-the-parkers, which means he had 71 over-the-fence-homers. if i made the same joke about rod carew (90 hr), you probably would've said nothing.
July 24, 20187 yr 31 minutes ago, Pato del Muerto said: It’s almost like writing about how he wasn’t as mean as they say could lead to more book sales, as it would be a different perspective than the other biographies already available. It's more like writing about how a man is secretly a monster led to more book sales. There have been books and articles debunking the caricature of Cobb for years. Almost all of that legendary material traces back to Al Stump. He was a fraud. Edited July 24, 20187 yr by formermav43
July 24, 20187 yr Has anyone seen the movie Cobb starring Tommy Lee Jones? Stumbled on it via Amazon Video the other day and Christ it was awful. The Stump journalist had to make up so much sensationalist bullshit that couldn't be refuted on account of Ty Cobb being dead.
July 24, 20187 yr You don't sell biographies by saying what everyone already thinks about someone. But this book came out in 2015. https://www.freep.com/story/entertainment/arts/2015/06/09/ty-cobb-myth-legend-popular-culture/28765125/
July 25, 20187 yr 6 hours ago, phdhorn said: I've alwaysl blamed Ty Cobb for the state of Detroit. Your geography could use some work
July 27, 20187 yr On 7/24/2018 at 12:10 PM, Blanton said: Has anyone seen the movie Cobb starring Tommy Lee Jones? Stumbled on it via Amazon Video the other day and Christ it was awful. The Stump journalist had to make up so much sensationalist bullshit that couldn't be refuted on account of Ty Cobb being dead. I always thought it was funny as shit when I was a kid.
July 27, 20187 yr There is something charming about a shitfaced, racist white guy running around doing whatever the fuck he wants because he’s Ty Cobb.
July 27, 20187 yr 4 minutes ago, Blanton said: There is something charming about a shitfaced, racist white guy running around doing whatever the fuck he wants because he’s Ty Cobb. Unless he's Jerry Jones...
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