March 27Mar 27 3 minutes ago, immamac said: Roschon didn't start either. Roschon didnt get benched and he played with Bijan. There is huge difference between losing your job and carries to Wisner compared to Bijan. Not to mention Rojo didnt go in the top 3 rounds and he was a special teams asset. Edited March 27Mar 27 by Codaxx
March 27Mar 27 35 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said: With Blue ripping off a pair of sub-4.3 sec 40s I'm not sure if he goes that far down. He's got elite speed, so he'll get drafted by someone who thinks they can scheme around it. But where does he play in the NFL? What does he do? He's not big enough, can't run inside, and has too many ball security issues to be a starting RB. He's probably not big enough to pick up blitzing LBs nor are his hands good enough to be a third down back. Is he a returner like Turpin? He wasn't our primary kick return guy, and with his hands, not sure he can be trusted to cleanly field punts. I'm just not sure where he plays in the NFL.
March 27Mar 27 46 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said: With Blue ripping off a pair of sub-4.3 sec 40s I'm not sure if he goes that far down. This is a super deep RB draft and Blue still can’t run inside and has major fumble issues. 4th round would be a great result for him.
March 27Mar 27 1 hour ago, BurntOrangeBlooded15 said: https://www.espn.com/nfl/draft2025/insider/story/_/id/44392562/mock-2025-nfl-draft-seven-rounds-257-picks-matt-miller 7 round mock on ESPN. Probably as good as you could ask for from a Texas player point of view. Barron - 9 to NO - Rd 1 Golden - 18 to SEA - Rd 1 Banks - 23 to GB - Rd 1 Ewers - 40 to NO - Rd 2 Collins - 46 to ATL - Rd 2 Mukuba - 56 to BUF - Rd 2 Bond - 74 to CAR - Rd 3 Williams - 100 to SF - Rd 3 Helm - 110 to NYJ - Rd 4 Sorrell - 118 to ATL - Rd 4 Majors - 122 to DEN - Rd 4 Blue - 124 to GB - Rd 4 Broughton - 169 to BUF - Rd 5 Conner - 215 to LV - Rd 6 This would be insanely great
March 27Mar 27 The NFL is obsessed with speed. Has any RB in this draft class had a better 40 than Blue, either at the combine or their pro day? I don't think the part time nature of his play matters so much as his ball security issues. Of course, those are interconnected.
March 27Mar 27 1 hour ago, BurntOrangeBlooded15 said: https://www.espn.com/nfl/draft2025/insider/story/_/id/44392562/mock-2025-nfl-draft-seven-rounds-257-picks-matt-miller 7 round mock on ESPN. Probably as good as you could ask for from a Texas player point of view. Barron - 9 to NO - Rd 1 Golden - 18 to SEA - Rd 1 Banks - 23 to GB - Rd 1 Ewers - 40 to NO - Rd 2 Collins - 46 to ATL - Rd 2 Mukuba - 56 to BUF - Rd 2 Bond - 74 to CAR - Rd 3 Williams - 100 to SF - Rd 3 Helm - 110 to NYJ - Rd 4 Sorrell - 118 to ATL - Rd 4 Majors - 122 to DEN - Rd 4 Blue - 124 to GB - Rd 4 Broughton - 169 to BUF - Rd 5 Conner - 215 to LV - Rd 6 Only 14 picks in the first 6 rounds? That’s better than the Charlie & What’s-His-Name (Tom?) eras combined, no?
March 27Mar 27 40 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said: The NFL is obsessed with speed. Has any RB in this draft class had a better 40 than Blue, either at the combine or their pro day? I don't think the part time nature of his play matters so much as his ball security issues. Of course, those are interconnected. I dont know the Pro Day 40 times. Those are usually faster than the combine. I know Omarian Hampton put on an absolute show at 6' and 221 pounds 2 other guys were sub 4.4.
March 27Mar 27 1 hour ago, irishtexan said: He's got elite speed, so he'll get drafted by someone who thinks they can scheme around it. But where does he play in the NFL? What does he do? He's not big enough, can't run inside, and has too many ball security issues to be a starting RB. He's probably not big enough to pick up blitzing LBs nor are his hands good enough to be a third down back. Is he a returner like Turpin? He wasn't our primary kick return guy, and with his hands, not sure he can be trusted to cleanly field punts. I'm just not sure where he plays in the NFL. He'd have be paired with a pounder. One a team already has, or be one of 2 taken in this draft...like Martinez(Miami) and Blue would be a nice thunder/lightning backfield.
March 27Mar 27 25 minutes ago, Codaxx said: I dont know the Pro Day 40 times. Those are usually faster than the combine. I know Omarian Hampton put on an absolute show at 6' and 221 pounds 4.46 sec 40, and he didn't run at his pro day. You'll note I never suggested that Blue should be considered a better prospect than Hampton.
March 27Mar 27 2 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said: 4.46 sec 40, and he didn't run at his pro day. You'll note I never suggested that Blue should be considered a better prospect than Hampton. RAS2025 NFL Draft Class that is the RAS for the draft. Name Pos Year College RAS Alltime RAS « ‹ 1 2 3 4 5 › » Link Quinshon Judkins RB 2025 Ohio State 9.89 9.89 Link Donovan Edwards RB 2025 Michigan 9.78 9.78 Link DJ Giddens RB 2025 Kansas State 9.75 9.75 Link Omarion Hampton RB 2025 North Carolina 9.69 9.69 Link Montrell Johnson RB 2025 Florida 9.62 9.62 Link Damien Martinez RB 2025 Miami 9.36 9.36 Link Bhayshul Tuten RB 2025 Virginia Tech 9.35 9.35 Link Joey Zorn RB 2025 Windsor 9.24 9.24 Link Marcus Yarns RB 2025 Delaware 9.21 9.21
March 27Mar 27 3 minutes ago, Codaxx said: RAS2025 NFL Draft Class that is the RAS for the draft. OK? It doesn't appear he was scored. I don't know why. I don't know if there is any value in "RAS". Are you suggesting Jada Byers from Virginia Union is a better prospect? I honestly don't know what you're on about.
March 27Mar 27 all this talk, but when is the stupid fucking thing? *googles* APRIL 24TH? WE STILL GOT ANOTHER MONTH OF THIS BULLSHIT?
March 27Mar 27 1 minute ago, jimmyjazz said: OK? It doesn't appear he was scored. I don't know why. I don't know if there is any value in "RAS". Are you suggesting Jada Byers from Virginia Union is a better prospect? I honestly don't know what you're on about. I am guessing Blue did not do enough events to be scored. I think he only did the 40. I dont even know where the Jada comment comes from, but I'll assume you believe it to be relevant. I posted the RAS scores to show that this is seriously deep and athletic RB group.
March 27Mar 27 2 minutes ago, Codaxx said: I am guessing Blue did not do enough events to be scored. I think he only did the 40. I dont even know where the Jada comment comes from, but I'll assume you believe it to be relevant. I posted the RAS scores to show that this is seriously deep and athletic RB group. Jada Byers is the lowest scored RB, and his measurables are laughable. There are many others who aren't scored., Yes, it's a deep RB class. It's also entirely possible a team will take a flyer on a guy with extremely rare foot speed. That's all. I'm really not interesting in arguing this with you any more, you are clearly not understanding my point. But thanks, Mr. Pro Scout, for the education (and "RAS" LMAO).
March 27Mar 27 48 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said: OK? It doesn't appear he was scored. I don't know why. I don't know if there is any value in "RAS". Are you suggesting Jada Byers from Virginia Union is a better prospect? I honestly don't know what you're on about. 42 minutes ago, Codaxx said: I am guessing Blue did not do enough events to be scored. I think he only did the 40. I dont even know where the Jada comment comes from, but I'll assume you believe it to be relevant. I posted the RAS scores to show that this is seriously deep and athletic RB group.
March 27Mar 27 Alrighty. So, he's super fast and on the small side. New information has come to light.
March 27Mar 27 Author When I was saying 16 were possible that was if all the guys left. Campbell and Taaffe would absolutely have been drafted. That espn mock was basically what I was calling as best possible chance. I still think Holmes, boldin and Gbenda have greater than 10% chances of getting drafted. Players were all saying 15 or more. I’m not 100% sure all our combine invites get drafted, but that’s now gone from wishful thinking to chalk scenario I think.
March 27Mar 27 5 hours ago, BurntOrange&White said: "Campbell told reporters “there were a lot of people at the combine who had messed up measurements” and that led him to get measured again at school." Yeah i'm sure the people at the combine are who messed up. This actually does appear to be a thing.
March 27Mar 27 1 minute ago, Foosters said: This actually does appear to be a thing. Or maybe NFL got it right and others got it wrong?
March 27Mar 27 5 minutes ago, BurntOrange&White said: Or maybe NFL got it right and others got it wrong? either way he still has short arms. The 3/8 on an inch isnt going to change the talking points.
March 28Mar 28 Random additional comment on Jaydon Blue: some draft afficionado named Matt Miller was on local ESPN radio this morning and he said Jaydon Blue had the most potential to start in the NFL of all projected 3rd and 4th round RB picks. Take it for what it's worth, which is exactly what you paid for it. He praised Blue's speed, slashing and pass-catching, criticized his fumbles, and said he needs more lower body strength, particularly to run inside. Nothing ground-breaking but more praise than some would offer. He also projects Blue at #124 (lower 4th), and thinks he is a bargain at that slot. My wife will weigh in next.
March 28Mar 28 5 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said: My wife will weigh in next. Does she come in under 2 bills?
March 28Mar 28 7 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said: Random additional comment on Jaydon Blue: some draft afficionado named Matt Miller was on local ESPN radio this morning and he said Jaydon Blue had the most potential to start in the NFL of all projected 3rd and 4th round RB picks. Take it for what it's worth, which is exactly what you paid for it. He praised Blue's speed, slashing and pass-catching, criticized his fumbles, and said he needs more lower body strength, particularly to run inside. Nothing ground-breaking but more praise than some would offer. He also projects Blue at #124 (lower 4th), and thinks he is a bargain at that slot. My wife will weigh in next. I'm not saying he's wrong, but Matt Miller is a big Texas fan. He talks up the Longhorns a lot (which is great!), but grain of salt, yadda yadda.
March 28Mar 28 10 minutes ago, BurntOrange&White said: Does she come in under 2 bills? On a scale? Weigh under. At Target? No way.
March 28Mar 28 1 minute ago, jimmyjazz said: On a scale? Weigh under. At Target? No way. I despise going to Target with my wife. Holy fuck...
March 29Mar 29 Apparently TMac doesn't like to watch his own film. Sounds like Golden is going WR 1 (unless some team picks Travis Hunter as WR first) Edited March 29Mar 29 by westexhorn
March 29Mar 29 Popular Post This has been weird with Golden. The former PFF guys (now Check the Mic) - who I like and think are pretty reasonable and aren’t hot-takey - were doing their top 10 WRs this week and had Golden pretty low, and the rationale was that nobody thinks he’s really that fast. Even argued that there must have been an error on his combine time. Now this about “field speed.” It is funny because the entire purpose of the combine is to add objective information to subjective scouting analysis. If you’re going to dismiss some guys’ combine performance because it doesn’t confirm your subjective position, then you shouldn’t factor anybody’s combine performance into your evaluation. But these guys keep citing other players’ times and jumps when lauding them.
March 29Mar 29 5 minutes ago, Hank Chinaski said: This has been weird with Golden. The former PFF guys (now Check the Mic) - who I like and think are pretty reasonable and aren’t hot-takey - were doing their top 10 WRs this week and had Golden pretty low, and the rationale was that nobody thinks he’s really that fast. Even argued that there must have been an error on his combine time. Now this about “field speed.” It is funny because the entire purpose of the combine is to add objective information to subjective scouting analysis. If you’re going to dismiss some guys’ combine performance because it doesn’t confirm your subjective position, then you shouldn’t factor anybody’s combine performance into your evaluation. But these guys keep citing other players’ times and jumps when lauding them. as much as they pretend to be smart guys, they aren't all that smart
March 29Mar 29 Gosh, I wonder if there could be some way to confirm his combine times. Maybe, I don't know, THE FUCKING VIDEO?
March 29Mar 29 Golden took the top off the defense several times this year. Ewers just couldn’t deliver a good enough pass.
March 29Mar 29 2 minutes ago, westexhorn said: as much as they pretend to be smart guys, they aren't all that smart Even funnier, I listened to these guys say that there was consensus that Golden’s time was some kind of error or that he didn’t “play that fast,” then I read this this morning from espn’s Yates: “I like when combine numbers match the tape, and Golden’s 4.29-s forty yard dash unequivocally does.” So…not consensus, I guess?
March 29Mar 29 3 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said: Gosh, I wonder if there could be some way to confirm his combine times. Maybe, I don't know, THE FUCKING VIDEO? So, yes, one of the CTM guys said that he reviewed the video of Golden’s run “frame by frame” and somehow claimed it was impossible that he could have run a 4.29. I wasn’t listening closely enough to grasp why it was impossible or what exactly he discovered, but he also had no explanation as to why there was this one false time in the entire combine. They were also talking about “feeling” guys’ speed, at which point I kinda tapped out.
March 29Mar 29 1 minute ago, Hank Chinaski said: So, yes, one of the CTM guys said that he reviewed the video of Golden’s run “frame by frame” and somehow claimed it was impossible that he could have run a 4.29. I wasn’t listening closely enough to grasp why it was impossible or what exactly he discovered, but he also had no explanation as to why there was this one false time in the entire combine. They were also talking about “feeling” guys’ speed, at which point I kinda tapped out. If the guy wasn't a raving lunatic he could count those frames and compare to the same frame count of other similar times. If the frame counts are the same (or very close) either the times are close or the frame rate is different in multiple videos, which I find extremely unlikely.
March 29Mar 29 I realize that at the end of the day none of this pre-draft opining makes any difference, and that guys trying to get clicks and listens can’t just all say the exact same thing, but I don’t recall this degree of scrutiny over a guy’s combine 40 time.
March 29Mar 29 1 hour ago, Fondren & Main said: Golden took the top off the defense several times this year. Ewers just couldn’t deliver a good enough pass. This is part of the problem, he doesn’t have a ton of highlight film showing him beating people deep because his QB couldn’t get the ball to him.
March 29Mar 29 All these hot take bozos. Golden also had to play in the premier league. As much as we like to rag on the SEC it does produce the most pro players.
March 29Mar 29 Coming in to this season, Golden had 76 catches and 13 TDs. Bond had 65 and 5. Golden now has 134 catches and 22 TDs and a season best 17.4 per catch. Bond is at 99, 9 and 15.9. Looking at numbers last year regarding Mitchell, there weren’t many high WR draft picks that didn’t compile over 100 catches. Golden was open quite a bit here from the getgo. There’s a good chance he was always better than Bond. People just didn’t identify because of their biases. Combine numbers reflect Bond is faster. That was assumed from the outset and hasn’t changed. Im not sure I’d take Golden in the 1st round, but there’s a lot to like about his game. And you can support it with production and individual highlights.
March 29Mar 29 3 minutes ago, Had Enough said: Combine numbers reflect Bond is faster. That was assumed from the outset and hasn’t changed. You sure about that, champ?
March 29Mar 29 6 minutes ago, Burt Macklin said: You sure about that, champ? Pretty certain Bond had the second fastest top end speed. Thought Bond was 2nd behind the DB. I never said Bond was quicker to 40. Pretty sure dudes beat Usain Bolt to 30-40 yards too. Were they faster than him too?
March 29Mar 29 3 hours ago, Fondren & Main said: Golden took the top off the defense several times this year. Ewers just couldn’t deliver a good enough pass. Story of our receivers lives the past two years. So much speed but not able to truly take advantage of it.
March 29Mar 29 3 hours ago, westexhorn said: as much as they pretend to be smart guys, they aren't all that smart They are literally the lowest of the low, the inanest sports commentators imaginable. Which I reckon would put them among the dumbest humans on the planet.
March 29Mar 29 1 hour ago, Had Enough said: Pretty certain Bond had the second fastest top end speed. Thought Bond was 2nd behind the DB. I never said Bond was quicker to 40. Pretty sure dudes beat Usain Bolt to 30-40 yards too. Were they faster than him too? Semantics. You're using top end speed, others are using time to 40. Different measures, both have value.
March 30Mar 30 20 hours ago, Fondren & Main said: Golden took the top off the defense several times this year. Ewers just couldn’t deliver a good enough pass. Holden was faster than Quinn’s passes
March 30Mar 30 21 hours ago, Hank Chinaski said: This has been weird with Golden. The former PFF guys (now Check the Mic) - who I like and think are pretty reasonable and aren’t hot-takey - were doing their top 10 WRs this week and had Golden pretty low, and the rationale was that nobody thinks he’s really that fast. Even argued that there must have been an error on his combine time. Now this about “field speed.” It is funny because the entire purpose of the combine is to add objective information to subjective scouting analysis. If you’re going to dismiss some guys’ combine performance because it doesn’t confirm your subjective position, then you shouldn’t factor anybody’s combine performance into your evaluation. But these guys keep citing other players’ times and jumps when lauding them. I know it's baseball, but same process...
March 30Mar 30 22 hours ago, Hank Chinaski said: So, yes, one of the CTM guys said that he reviewed the video of Golden’s run “frame by frame” and somehow claimed it was impossible that he could have run a 4.29. I wasn’t listening closely enough to grasp why it was impossible or what exactly he discovered, but he also had no explanation as to why there was this one false time in the entire combine. They were also talking about “feeling” guys’ speed, at which point I kinda tapped out. The bizarre part about their position on Golden is that the guy has damned near flawless film. He’s good to great at every part of being a WR and then the combine performance took away one of the only open questions. I would still take McMillon at WR1, but Golden has the highest floor of any WR in the draft. Whoever takes that dude likely has a productive WR for years to come.
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