May 11, 20241 yr Author 4 minutes ago, 956 Worldwide said: They do have an agenda and I’ve worked closely with them. They’re quite good. What agenda did you think they had? I am pretty confident that if in 2020 had claimed or suggested that a well known organization dedicated to returning Jewish property stolen during the Holocaust was ginning up sham polls about Holocaust education, your eyebrows would have raised. You might have even wondered about my own motivation for suggesting it. But after October 23 you rolled right into that theory. Easiest thing in the world and seems right to talk about. You’re telling on yourself more than the data or organziation. The methodology was 450 landline, 450 mobile, and 450 online non-paid, FWIW and you can read the question for yourself. I'm not accusing them of putting out a sham poll, but they are not a professional polling outfit whose agenda, by the way, I fully support. I just don't buy the results -- it's way too high. I've got a kid in her early 20s, and she is very aware of the Holocaust. I'll ask her to chat with her friends to see if any of them are deniers. Pew says Holocaust denial in that age group is 3% when the polling is done properly. If not, you get 20% (2023). The Roper Center at Cornell for Public Opinion Research shows that if you ask the question properly, you get 8%. If not, you get 22% (1994). The Claims Conference says 23% (2020). I'm seeing a pattern here.
May 11, 20241 yr 6 minutes ago, bolverk said: I'm not accusing them of putting out a sham poll, but they are not a professional polling outfit whose agenda, by the way, I fully support. I just don't buy the results -- it's way too high. I've got a kid in her early 20s, and she is very aware of the Holocaust. I'll ask her to chat with her friends to see if any of them are deniers. Pew says Holocaust denial in that age group is 3% when the polling is done properly. If not, you get 20% (2023). The Roper Center at Cornell for Public Opinion Research shows that if you ask the question properly, you get 8%. If not, you get 22% (1994). The Claims Conference says 23% (2020). I'm seeing a pattern here. So basically, it’s just “vibes are off.” Here is the question and the responses (all adults vs. Millenials). As you can see it’s “not sure” that is the big problem. I find it interesting that your go-to was “agenda and/or the poll must be bad” before bothering to dig into it more. https://www.claimscon.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/Holocaust-Knowledge-and-Awareness-Study-–-Topline-Results-1-1.pdf Here is the firm that did the research. https://schoencooperman.com
May 11, 20241 yr 9 minutes ago, 956 Worldwide said: So basically, it’s just “vibes are off.” Here is the question and the responses (all adults vs. Millenials). As you can see it’s “not sure” that is the big problem. I find it interesting that your go-to was “agenda and/or the poll must be bad” before bothering to dig into it more. https://www.claimscon.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/Holocaust-Knowledge-and-Awareness-Study-–-Topline-Results-1-1.pdf Here is the firm that did the research. https://schoencooperman.com The headline in the original image you posted is so misleading that its essentially just sensationalist click bait. Quote “According to survey of adults 18-30, 23% said they believed the Holocaust was a myth, had been exaggerated or they weren’t sure” Actually, by those criteria the number is 35%...but I love that "myth" is first in-line whereas in the actual poll that's 1%. It's much more likely that people answering "not sure" are talking about whether the number of dead was 6m or some lower number.... say 5m... not that they think Jews weren't victims of the Holocaust. At minimum it's a disingenuous post.
May 12, 20241 yr 1 hour ago, Bevo said: That is wild that your daughter was so close to that event. My parents were near Kent State when the National Guard killed those four students. My mom was also near Philadelphia, MS when Chaney, Goodman, and Schwerner were killed by the KKK in 1964. I hope most understand that they might get arrested or fired for fighting with the police. There are actions and there are consequences. And there is a time and a place for everything. As for the event itself. Personally, I believe that Palestinians should live in peace in the US and Jews should live in peace in the US. So, I guess that makes me more libertarian in that respect. Being rigid in you right to protest anywhere and any place without police intervention and being in support in asking Hertzel to step down, I assume that when protests again happen during the DNC convention, you will be pissed that police block the protestors,and will ask for the head of the DNC, which I assume is Biden, to step down. I get your position, but I am actually okay with using the police to keep the Palestinian protestors away from the DNC. The right is for peaceable protest, and within that structure, no I do not concede arrest is acceptable. Defending oneself against attack is another right I think we both insist decides legality of one’s actions, and not perceived attack by a bitch ass imagination. If the national guard attacks peaceful protestors, then Biden is no longer our standard. Edited May 12, 20241 yr by Willfully Horn
May 12, 20241 yr 7 minutes ago, DixonHur said: The headline in the original image you posted is so misleading that its essentially just sensationalist click bait. Actually, by those criteria the number is 35%...but I love that "myth" is first in-line whereas in the actual poll that's 1%. It's much more likely that people answering "not sure" are talking about whether the number of dead was 6m or some lower number.... say 5m... not that they think Jews weren't victims of the Holocaust. At minimum it's a disingenuous post. I’ll try to stay away from notorious clickbait farm (checks notes) “The Guardian.” Edited May 12, 20241 yr by 956 Worldwide
May 12, 20241 yr 2 minutes ago, 956 Worldwide said: I’ll try to stay away from notorious clickbait farm (checks notes) “The Guardian.” You're right, there is no way a news organization funded by advertising would ever put up a sensationalized headline for clicks. My bad.
May 12, 20241 yr 10 minutes ago, 956 Worldwide said: I’ll try to stay away from notorious clickbait farm (checks notes) “The Guardian.” Geez, seems like I need a new prescription for my glasses, because to me that looks like an entirely different article...and years later.
May 12, 20241 yr Author 25 minutes ago, 956 Worldwide said: So basically, it’s just “vibes are off.” Here is the question and the responses (all adults vs. Millenials). As you can see it’s “not sure” that is the big problem. I find it interesting that your go-to was “agenda and/or the poll must be bad” before bothering to dig into it more. https://www.claimscon.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/Holocaust-Knowledge-and-Awareness-Study-–-Topline-Results-1-1.pdf Here is the firm that did the research. https://schoencooperman.com No, it's not "vibes are off;" it's data from the Pew Research Center. Moreover, my "go-to" was to cite research from a renowned polling organization showing that opt-in polls get notoriously bad results from the age group in question and that if the polling is properly done, the outrageously high value becomes more reasonable. Also, how could I have dug into it more before citing Pew? All you posted was a screenshot of the lead-in to the article, which didn't show the name of either the organization or the polling firm. For my part, I had recently read the Pew piece, so it was top of mind when I saw your headline. Stop making insinuations.
May 12, 20241 yr 2 minutes ago, DixonHur said: Geez, seems like I need a new prescription for my glasses, because to me that looks like an entirely different article...and years later. If we’re going with “The Guardian is clickbait,” we are just totally gone here.
May 12, 20241 yr 4 minutes ago, 956 Worldwide said: If we’re going with “The Guardian is clickbait,” we are just totally gone here. Point to where I said, "The Guardian is clickbait", and not the headline was clickbait...I'll hold.
May 12, 20241 yr 3 hours ago, 956 Worldwide said: For sure, the youth are killing it by fracturing consensus reality, I’m sure it’s a cause to celebrate. (Check the date on this, too). Media is controlled by Jewish people. Holocaust was actually the Holofaux. Never happened
May 12, 20241 yr Popular Post There is a non-zero chance that guy posts on Surly, primarily in the CR,
May 12, 20241 yr I find it hilarious that we are complaining about headlines because they grab people's attention. Maybe we will go after book titles next.
May 13, 20241 yr 23 hours ago, 52-80 said: Rare made up moment where Israel and protesters both share common ground not giving a fuck about the hostages? Interesting.
May 13, 20241 yr On 5/11/2024 at 10:54 PM, PRONG HORN said: My honest first thought upon seeing this video is true concern for this young lady's future and safety. There are a lot of predators out there and this is like a bat signal to them as someone who is likely very easy to groom. She's attractive and clearly emotionally unstable and expressed a separation between herself and any support structures/family. I really hope, for her, it's just an act and those are alligator tears, but I don't think they are and that really does worry me. Edited May 13, 20241 yr by BurntEyes
May 13, 20241 yr 8 hours ago, PRONG HORN said: The wooden sticks and trash-can shields are great weapons to fight against fascists ✊🏾
May 13, 20241 yr 2 hours ago, BurntEyes said: My honest first thought upon seeing this video is true concern for this young lady's future and safety. There are a lot of predators out there and this is like a bat signal to them as someone who is likely very easy to groom. She's attractive and clearly emotionally unstable and expressed a separation between herself and any support structures/family. I really hope, for her, it's just an act and those are alligator tears, but I don't think they are and that really does worry me. I'll give her $5 if she can find Israel or Gaza on a map
May 13, 20241 yr 1 hour ago, BurntEyes said: My honest first thought upon seeing this video is true concern for this young lady's future and safety. There are a lot of predators out there and this is like a bat signal to them as someone who is likely very easy to groom. She's attractive and clearly emotionally unstable and expressed a separation between herself and any support structures/family. I really hope, for her, it's just an act and those are alligator tears, but I don't think they are and that really does worry me. If social media is a drug, this is an addict in real time
May 13, 20241 yr Bro, how are you going to tagteam your way through a hunger strike? The point of a strike is to persist until your demands are met.
May 13, 20241 yr I dont eat breakfasts. And i was traveling through lunch today so you can say in somewhat of a 24hr striker myself
May 13, 20241 yr 2 minutes ago, 52-80 said: Bro, how are you going to tagteam your way through a hunger strike? The point of a strike is to persist until your demands are met. I didn't eat last night from 9pm to almost noon today.
May 13, 20241 yr Just now, 52-80 said: I dont eat breakfasts. And i was traveling through lunch today so you can say in somewhat of a 24hr striker myself Stunning. And Brave.
May 13, 20241 yr 17 minutes ago, Rex Kramer said: Maybe she’s a difficult child, and that’s a real thing, but it’s likely her family has allowed her down this path. As a result I have very little sympathy. Once you are old enough in your teens, expressing attention whore behavior fails to garner any sympathy from me, despite her genuine sadness and eye color. So would not?
May 13, 20241 yr 2 minutes ago, Rex Kramer said: I don’t follow We are talking about her, right? Wood or not? And no, I haven't watched the video.
May 13, 20241 yr 3 minutes ago, Rex Kramer said: And terrible judgement. Well yeah - I'm thinking incels might even have a chance.
May 13, 20241 yr 1 hour ago, 52-80 said: Bro, how are you going to tagteam your way through a hunger strike? The point of a strike is to persist until your demands are met.
May 13, 20241 yr 1 hour ago, Rex Kramer said: Maybe the university isn’t acknowledging there is a genocide because there in fact is not a genocide. Debatable. Definitely not a fact. Mass slaughter of women and children at a minimum though, which I guess is better?
May 13, 20241 yr 1 hour ago, Bevo said: We are talking about her, right? Wood or not? And no, I haven't watched the video. Whoever's keeping score, put me firmly in the "wood" column.
May 13, 20241 yr 6 hours ago, Frank Drebin said: Okay, if anybody had "Neckbearded Ginger wearing Goose-Down jacket on 70 degree day on media spree for Palestine Hunger-Strike despite appearing to have never missed a meal in his life." on their 2024 geopolitical bingo card, please check with your local religious leaders because you may be the return of the Messiah.
May 13, 20241 yr 5 hours ago, Rex Kramer said: And terrible judgement. Umm... okay. I'm not saying you're wrong but...
May 13, 20241 yr 6 hours ago, Dennis Taylor said: I'll give her $5 if she can find Israel or Gaza on a map My point, sir, is that she might sadly end up doing things far more questionable for not too much more. And most of these folks would struggle to find India on a map.
May 13, 20241 yr 13 minutes ago, BurntEyes said: My point, sir, is that she might sadly end up doing things far more questionable for not too much more. And most of these folks would struggle to find India on a map. Right next to Ohio
May 14, 20241 yr 6 hours ago, Hank_Hill said: Debatable. Definitely not a fact. Mass slaughter of women and children at a minimum though, which I guess is better? Sometimes they ask for it.
May 14, 20241 yr 26 minutes ago, PRONG HORN said: Sometimes they ask for it. Most of the time they don’t. I agree, using extremists as representation of the entire population is a major part of the problem.
May 14, 20241 yr 8 minutes ago, Hank_Hill said: Most of the time they don’t. I agree, using extremists as representation of the entire population is a major part of the problem. That's just one of the clips I've seen of them not caring about children in these cases. There a few were others but I un-liked them so can't post. One was a woman saying it was honorable etc. for their children to die this way.
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