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#9351

SMU making a run at Saban makes a lot of sense if their boosters want to pay to play bigtime college ball.

As for Saban, he'd get to live in Preston Hollow, have zero expectations nationally, wouldn't be going to an SEC rival, easy path to the playoff, and have boosters that will buy him the players he wants. 

UCF would also make sense for those reasons except idk if they have enough money

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#9352

The cheat code for college HC’s is to have a HC with a rep for developing QBs. That allows the programs to have QB depth at a discount, and makes the OL and WR recruiting pitch simpler. I see theee programs like that in P2: Texas, USC and Bama. 
 
Who are the Mid2 and G5 HCs (or OCs looking to move up) with that rep? That’s who Florida should be looking at. 

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#9353
8 minutes ago, statsman said:

The cheat code for college HC’s is to have a HC with a rep for developing QBs. That allows the programs to have QB depth at a discount, and makes the OL and WR recruiting pitch simpler. I see theee programs like that in P2: Texas, USC and Bama. 
 
Who are the Mid2 and G5 HCs (or OCs looking to move up) with that rep? That’s who Florida should be looking at. 

Kliff Kingsbury is tanned and rested.

#9354

 

Next Florida Head Coach Odds, via BetOnline:Jamey Chadwell +400Lane Kiffin +500Deion Sanders +600Elijah Drinkwitz +700Brent Key +800Brian Shottenheimer +900Glenn Schumann +1200Chris Klieman +1200Matt Rhule +1400Josh Heupel +1400Brent Venables +1800Lance Leipold +1800

 

#9355
Kliff Kingsbury is tanned and rested.

Just make sure he hires a defensive coordinator
#9357

Maybe I'm leaning too  much into recency bias, but I don't see how 2025 Florida is more attractive than 2025 Ole Miss.

#9358
31 minutes ago, PilotsError said:

Maybe I'm leaning too  much into recency bias, but I don't see how 2025 Florida is more attractive than 2025 Ole Miss.

They have so much more potential to be a colossus of the sport every year, but they are a huge mess. It's a real "I believe in myself" play.

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#9361

He apparently standouts as a control freak in a profession dominated by control freaks.  The problem is that he's not good at overseeing everything and is obsessed with what he calls his model and the constant tweaking of it.  He's the OC and also heavily involved with special teams which is coached day to day by 2 analysts.  He also has 2 OL coaches for some reason.  He gives off strong Tom Herman vibes, but with less alcohol/drugs and more being on the spectrum.

Edited by kevwun

#9362
13 minutes ago, immamac said:

why is billy napier so bad at florida?

Line of scrimmage issues, mistakes with staff, focus, penalties, and QB huge NIL mistake.  Napier was not ready for a job as big as gata

https://sports.yahoo.com/why-florida-football-coach-billy-080354892.html

One reason Florida football hired Billy Napier was his track record for recruiting and developing offensive linemen.

Tackle Max Mitchell (New York Jets), guard Kevin Doston (Los Angeles) and guard O’Cyrus Torrence (Buffalo Bills) all developed into NFL players under Napier and his staff at Louisiana.

But building a consistent offensive line hasn’t panned out during Napier's two-plus year tenure as the Florida Gators football coach. It looked promising in his first season, when Torrence, an All-American guard, followed him from Louisiana. Since Torrence left for the NFL, Florida has surrendered 44 sacks in 15 games.

This season, Florida has failed to generate significant push up front in the run game. The Gators rushed for just 52 on 2.1 yards per carry Saturday in its 33-20 loss to Texas A&M.

“We had an incredible group at the previous stop,” Napier said. “Several NFL players, I mean, it was a strength for us. We would like to get to that place.”  

 

Also:  The Monday Read: Billy Napier's downfall at Florida is (ironically) tied to lacking attention to detail

https://www.cbssports.com/college-football/news/the-monday-read-billy-napiers-downfall-at-florida-is-ironically-tied-to-lacking-attention-to-detail/ 

 

Edited by LTtxfan

#9364
10 minutes ago, immamac said:

I just can't believe how these guys can't actually coach and get these jobs. 

They can coach. They can’t necessarily do everything else that’s necessary as they move up the ladder. 

#9365
8 minutes ago, immamac said:

I just can't believe how these guys can't actually coach and get these jobs. 

At ULL, his ability to recruit as compared to the rest of the conference masked everything else he did poorly day to day because the sheer talent difference meant everything. He also had a good QB (Lewis) that he developed who stayed for all of his eligibility.  
 

At Florida, his ability to recruit is negligible at best compared to most of the SEC, and all his shortcomings are highlighted because there is no real talent edge or, in some cases, at a disadvantage.  And it’s too late for him to develop a good QB who will stay multiple years, although you could argue Mertz has taken a step forward this year. 
 

Lots of parallels to Tom Herman. 

#9366

It feels like Napier pushed all his chips in last night and it almost worked. I don’t think he could have saved his job, but beating Tennessee probably keeps him employed until December. I’ll give him credit. Florida played hard.

I think Riley’s salary + perks will get him another season. His last appeasement card to play is to give up playcalling. A bitter pill from to swallow, but he’ll do it for $10 million+ a year. 

A lot of smoke that Venables is going to throw Littrell under the bus. Most A list OC hires are going to want to bring their own OL coach with them. Will Venables dump Bedenbaugh too? I doubt it. They’ll hire somebody safe from Dabo’s coaching tree and things won’t improve unless they get a star QB out of the portal.

Kiffin needs to get the hell out of Oxford before everybody figures out he’s full of shit, again. He can’t do better than Florida, and they need a splash. I think he could have some moderate Dan Mullen like success there. 

#9367
5 hours ago, billfromlaketravis said:

Kiffin needs to get the hell out of Oxford before everybody figures out he’s full of shit, again. He can’t do better than Florida, and they need a splash. I think he could have some moderate Dan Mullen like success there. 

And . . .  there’s the tanned, lithe & freaky UF coed nubility local color Joey Freshwater lure factor.  The Old South pouty but frisky Scarlett O’Hara gauntlet of Oxford Belles must be growing tiresome by now.

#9368
6 hours ago, billfromlaketravis said:

It feels like Napier pushed all his chips in last night and it almost worked. I don’t think he could have saved his job, but beating Tennessee probably keeps him employed until December. I’ll give him credit. Florida played hard.

I think Riley’s salary + perks will get him another season. His last appeasement card to play is to give up playcalling. A bitter pill from to swallow, but he’ll do it for $10 million+ a year. 

A lot of smoke that Venables is going to throw Littrell under the bus. Most A list OC hires are going to want to bring their own OL coach with them. Will Venables dump Bedenbaugh too? I doubt it. They’ll hire somebody safe from Dabo’s coaching tree and things won’t improve unless they get a star QB out of the portal.

Kiffin needs to get the hell out of Oxford before everybody figures out he’s full of shit, again. He can’t do better than Florida, and they need a splash. I think he could have some moderate Dan Mullen like success there. 

You have to wonder what Lincoln is feeling.  Riley, OU, and maybe USC all came out for the worse.  

#9369

Saw an early October hot seat list:

  1. Aranda                   Baylor
  2. Napier                    Florida
  3. Will Hall                  Southern Miss
  4. Sonny Cumbie        LaTech
  5. Trent Dilfer              UAB
  6. Joe Moorhead        Akron
  7. Sam Pittman            Arky
  8. Stan Drayton           Temple
  9. Scott Satterfield      Cincy
  10. Mike Neu                  Ball State
#9370

At what point do we see some creative and hungry for winning university try a radical experiment with staffing and move to an NFL model in all but name. A general manager and staff take over NIL coordination, scouting, recruiting, portal shopping and just hire a coaching staff to take care of on the field aside from a few niceties like the formal in-home or campus visit? 
 

There is no more limit in on-the-field instruction and this seems like an experiment that has had its time come. Very few football coaches have the skill set to oversee the new system. 

#9372
2 hours ago, 956 Worldwide said:

At what point do we see some creative and hungry for winning university try a radical experiment with staffing and move to an NFL model in all but name. A general manager and staff take over NIL coordination, scouting, recruiting, portal shopping and just hire a coaching staff to take care of on the field aside from a few niceties like the formal in-home or campus visit? 
 

There is no more limit in on-the-field instruction and this seems like an experiment that has had its time come. Very few football coaches have the skill set to oversee the new system. 

Good news, ASU fans: Herm Edwards seems to have just learned the basic  tenets of college recruiting

#9373
1 hour ago, GreenspointTexas said:

Lol why did anyone think that kiffin was gonna be good? He’s failed everywhere hes been

It could be argued that he's the 2nd best coach they've ever had by win %.

#9374

While I don’t think it’s a perfect comparison, Charlie Strong - Venables is fair right now. He has 2 really bad losses to Texas in 3 years. It’s well documented that they hate us more than they’ll ever love themselves. 
 

Their fanbase is convinced they have an elite defense so I think he has a good amount of rope. But if they get smoked again in the Cotton Bowl next year, I think there will be some chirping. 
 

While OU is undoubtedly a blue blood, it’s a difficult job given their recruiting footprint. They have to recruit and evaluate lights out in Houston, the Metroplex, Florida, Vegas, and Fresno. Unfortunately, for them to keep those pipelines open they have to retain subpar coaches like Murray. 
 

New conference doesn’t help. A difficult schedule doesn’t help. Mics in the helmets really don’t help. 

I think they go all in a portal QB, and Venables asks for and receives a 2025 mulligan because they couldn’t hold on to Gabriel + adjusting to a new conference. 

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#9375
3 minutes ago, billfromlaketravis said:

I think they go all in a portal QB, and Venables asks for a 2025 mulligan because they couldn’t hold on to forced Gabriel out to keep 5* phenom Jackson Arnold + adjusting to a new conference. 

FIFY  ooops.

#9376
2 minutes ago, Mr. Drummond said:

FIFY  ooops.

Yeah. Gerry thinks it was more OU deciding to move forward with Arnold for ‘crootin’ and forcing Gabriel out. I think it’s muddled enough that Venables can coachspeak his way around it, for now. 

#9377
14 minutes ago, billfromlaketravis said:

While I don’t think it’s a perfect comparison, Charlie Strong - Venables is fair right now. He has 2 really bad losses to Texas in 3 years. It’s well documented that they hate us more than they’ll ever love themselves. 
 

Their fanbase is convinced they have an elite defense so I think he has a good amount of rope. But if they get smoked again in the Cotton Bowl next year, I think there will be some chirping. 
 

While OU is undoubtedly a blue blood, it’s a difficult job given their recruiting footprint. They have to recruit and evaluate lights out in Houston, the Metroplex, Florida, Vegas, and Fresno. Unfortunately, for them to keep those pipelines open they have to retain subpar coaches like Murray. 
 

New conference doesn’t help. A difficult schedule doesn’t help. Mics in the helmets really don’t help. 

I think they go all in a portal QB, and Venables asks for and receives a 2025 mulligan because they couldn’t hold on to Gabriel + adjusting to a new conference. 

OU is similar to Tennessee in a lot of respects. High level programs historically despite not having a ton of in state talent to pull from. Success at those schools requires a national footprint, but that path is harder now due to NIL. Tennessee has it together on that front, OU does not.

#9378
2 hours ago, Vertigo said:

Success at those schools requires a national footprint, but that path is harder now due to NIL. Tennessee has it together on that front, OU does not.


Until the meth lab blows up, at least. 

#9379
7 hours ago, LTtxfan said:

Saw an early October hot seat list:

  1. Aranda                   Baylor
  2. Napier                    Florida
  3. Will Hall                  Southern Miss
  4. Sonny Cumbie        LaTech
  5. Trent Dilfer              UAB
  6. Joe Moorhead        Akron
  7. Sam Pittman            Arky
  8. Stan Drayton           Temple
  9. Scott Satterfield      Cincy
  10. Mike Neu                  Ball State

Isn't Mack Brown on this list?

#9380

Klatt came out SWINGING to defend Riley on his Monday reaction podcast. Gave the Bobby Bowden rationale: lose close, win close, and then you win big. 
 

Riley is in Year 3. I think it’s undeniable they should be more advanced as a program. They’re still losing close. 

#9381
ECU has fired head coach Mike Houston, per the school.The first head coach firing this season.

 

#9382
Sources: Southern Miss is firing coach Will Hall. They are 1-6 on the season and Hall is 14-30 in four seasons there.

 

#9383
The latest coaching news of the day:Utah offensive coordinator Andy Ludwig has resigned, per the school. Had been Utah’s OC since 2019.

 

#9385
ESPN sources can confirm that Oklahoma has fired OC Seth Littrell. There's a team meeting called for 6 p.m. to inform them. Per ESPN sources, CO-OC Joe Jon Finley will be the new play caller for Oklahoma and former Duke OC Kevin Johns will have a significant role in the offense.
Curious how much of this was Venables’ decision, because firing Seth Littrell mid season sure comes off as Venables looking for a scapegoat. Venables is the Head Coach, not the defensive coordinator. Just as much of the blame for the offense falls on him as it does Littrell.

 

#9386
1 hour ago, LTtxfan said:
ESPN sources can confirm that Oklahoma has fired OC Seth Littrell. There's a team meeting called for 6 p.m. to inform them. Per ESPN sources, CO-OC Joe Jon Finley will be the new play caller for Oklahoma and former Duke OC Kevin Johns will have a significant role in the offense.
Curious how much of this was Venables’ decision, because firing Seth Littrell mid season sure comes off as Venables looking for a scapegoat. Venables is the Head Coach, not the defensive coordinator. Just as much of the blame for the offense falls on him as it does Littrell.

 

That 70S Show Lol GIF

#9387

This is to buy Venables more time, but it is also not unwarranted.  It was a weird hire to begin with after he was fired at UNT.  Definitely had failing upwards vibes.

#9388

Deck chairs on the Titanic.  Venables was meddling very hard, making him run some kind of hybrid Briles/air raid spread that he's never done before.

#9391
On 10/14/2024 at 9:19 AM, GreenspointTexas said:

Lol why did anyone think that kiffin was gonna be good? He’s failed everywhere hes been

Except he's been quite good at Ole Miss by their standards. Even their losses this year have been fluke-y. The fanbase has been pleased with his work, but like all HC relationships, eventually everyone just gets a bit tired of each other.

#9392
On 10/20/2024 at 10:41 AM, TexasMan said:
ECU has fired head coach Mike Houston, per the school.The first head coach firing this season.

 

As someone with a passing interest in the Pirates, that's not surprising. They're a much prouder and more rabid football fanbase than one might expect, and nothing he's done in Greenville has sparked joy. 

#9393
4 minutes ago, texifornia said:

They're a much prouder and more rabid football fanbase than one might expect

Completely without reason.  24 seasons out of the last 40 at .500 or below. 2 conference titles in the past 40 years ('08, '09).

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#9394
4 minutes ago, Mittens said:

Completely without reason.  24 seasons out of the last 40 at .500 or below. 2 conference titles in the past 40 years ('08, '09).

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I did not say the team was good. I just said they care a lot 😅.

For starters, it's a brutal recruiting environment with four P5s and two other G5s in the state.

Edited by texifornia

#9395
31 minutes ago, texifornia said:

As someone with a passing interest in the Pirates, that's not surprising. They're a much prouder and more rabid football fanbase than one might expect, and nothing he's done in Greenville has sparked joy. 

Grew up an hour and a half from Greenville, and during my senior year (Fall of 1991) I visited a friend who was a freshman at ECU and went to a football game.  I remember a mostly full and very loud and energetic crowd, although they had a damn good team that year -- Jeff Blake at QB, Robert Jones at LB -- finishing 11-1 with a No. 9 ranking.  

#9396
3 minutes ago, South Austin said:

Jeff Blake at QB, Robert Jones at LB

Both ended up in Austin after football, w/ sons playing at Austin High.

#9397
On 10/21/2024 at 8:14 AM, kevwun said:

Deck chairs on the Titanic.  Venables was meddling very hard, making him run some kind of hybrid Briles/air raid spread that he's never done before.

In all fairness, Littrell wasn't so hot running his offense, or whatever it was.  He was stunningly bad so Venables telling him to run something else makes sense.

Littrell seems like those executrives you run across in corporate America who have the education and 20 years work history but still know nothing about what they're doing.  The things I've watched with others breaking down the film on OU, they have no idea what OU was even trying to do.

#9399
On 9/18/2024 at 5:58 AM, billfromlaketravis said:

Stein might be a good fit at piggy? But that’s a total tear down and rebuild. It’d take longer than 3 years, and I’m not sure any college coach has that much time anymore. 
 

They should hire a Klieman type and hope they’re bowling in Year 2. 

Arky will NEVER succeed no matter who is the coach. The are perpetual bottom dwellers for all eternity. 

On 9/17/2024 at 6:49 PM, DFW Horn said:

Why would Penn St wanna hire a 5-7 Elko from aggy?

Because he went to Penn, duh. 

On 10/14/2024 at 6:03 AM, LTtxfan said:

Saw an early October hot seat list:

  1. Aranda                   Baylor
  2. Napier                    Florida
  3. Will Hall                  Southern Miss
  4. Sonny Cumbie        LaTech
  5. Trent Dilfer              UAB
  6. Joe Moorhead        Akron
  7. Sam Pittman            Arky
  8. Stan Drayton           Temple
  9. Scott Satterfield      Cincy
  10. Mike Neu                  Ball State

TIL Trent Dilfer is a HC I'm college 

On 10/14/2024 at 10:29 AM, billfromlaketravis said:

Yeah. Gerry thinks it was more OU deciding to move forward with Arnold for ‘crootin’ and forcing Gabriel out. I think it’s muddled enough that Venables can coachspeak his way around it, for now. 

Only if you have an hour and a half to listen to him talk 

5 hours ago, LTtxfan said:

Tim Beck fires his offensive coordinator and gonna call plays

pic.twitter.com/SrmloOHsFW

Coastal Carolina fires OC-QB coach Travis Trickett 

 

https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/41925938/coastal-carolina-fires-oc-qb-coach-travis-trickett

1, 1, 1, 1, 1, X, X, 1, 1. 1, 1, 1, 

It had to be done. 

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