August 10, 20187 yr Author Got a copy of the Cat. converter bill today. ~$630. He can't give me a straight answer as to why the service manager said they would not pay for the fix (which lead him to pay out of his own pocket). I told him that 1) I would not have paid it, and 2) if they refused to fix it (what they broke), I would have driven away and not paid a cent of the entire bill. I will be meeting with the service manager and dealership owner (with the service writer) in the near future, and I informed the writer that I would not touch the bill until everything is out in the open (with all parties).
August 11, 20187 yr You would have driven away without paying? Chances are, you wouldn't have access to the vehicle and they wouldn't have given you the keys until you paid up.
August 11, 20187 yr Author 47 minutes ago, Gil Bang said: You would have driven away without paying? Chances are, you wouldn't have access to the vehicle and they wouldn't have given you the keys until you paid up. No. This is a pretty small rural town in NW Ohio. They told me to drive away with it "broken," basically. Also, they can't hold my car ransom. What if I can't afford the payment b/c it is higher than I budget (which it was, but I still have the cash).
August 11, 20187 yr 18 minutes ago, ernest_t_bass said: No. This is a pretty small rural town in NW Ohio. They told me to drive away with it "broken," basically. Also, they can't hold my car ransom. What if I can't afford the payment b/c it is higher than I budget (which it was, but I still have the cash). No idea about Ohio law, but out here, they absolutely CAN and WILL hold the car, and they'll auction the fucker off in a "lien sale" to get their money. Shops do it quite often.
August 11, 20187 yr a quick trip to the googles says "fuck yeah, they hold your car "ransom" if you don't pay the bill" in Ohio When people ask me about mechanics’ liens, I always have to ask for more details. There are two types of mechanics’ liens in Ohio, and they are not related to each other in any way, even though they share the same name. Traditionally, people think of mechanics as the people who work on motor vehicles. Sometimes, these mechanics can keep possession of a vehicle upon which repairs were made, if the repairs are not paid for. This is a traditional mechanics’ lien. There is no filing or formal process for this lien to be used. The mechanic’s power to retain the vehicle is the lien. The vehicle’s owner can sue to ask a court to order the mechanic to release the vehicle. At that time, the mechanic can formally assert the lien in the context of the court proceedings. There are limits on traditional mechanics’ liens. Traditional mechanics’ liens cannot exist if the mechanic did not follow various unrelated laws before or during the repairs. For example, if a vehicle repair is expected to exceed $50, the mechanic must make certain disclosures to the owner in writing. If a mechanic fails to make the disclosures, the mechanic cannot assert a traditional mechanics’ lien (keep the car until paid). Lee R. Schroeder is an Ohio licensed attorney at Schroeder Law LLC in Putnam County. He limits his practice to business, real estate, estate planning and agriculture issues in northwest Ohio. He can be reached at Lee@LeeSchroeder.com or at 419-523-5523. This article is not intended to serve as legal advice, and specific advice should be sought from the licensed attorney of your choice based upon the specific facts and circumstances that you face. Edited August 11, 20187 yr by Gil Bang
August 11, 20187 yr Author 1 hour ago, Gil Bang said: No idea about Ohio law, but out here, they absolutely CAN and WILL hold the car, and they'll auction the fucker off in a "lien sale" to get their money. Shops do it quite often. When I took my truck in, it was running fine, and no "check engine" light was on. When it was returned to me, it was not running fine, and "check engine" light was on. ... This is what lead them to replacing the cat. They, in essence, "broke" my truck. Why should I have to pay for something they broke? The services for which I agreed to be performed did no include them breaking my truck.
August 11, 20187 yr 28 minutes ago, ernest_t_bass said: When I took my truck in, it was running fine, and no "check engine" light was on. When it was returned to me, it was not running fine, and "check engine" light was on. ... This is what lead them to replacing the cat. They, in essence, "broke" my truck. Why should I have to pay for something they broke? The services for which I agreed to be performed did no include them breaking my truck.
August 11, 20187 yr 34 minutes ago, ernest_t_bass said: When I took my truck in, it was running fine, and no "check engine" light was on. When it was returned to me, it was not running fine, and "check engine" light was on. ... This is what lead them to replacing the cat. They, in essence, "broke" my truck. Why should I have to pay for something they broke? The services for which I agreed to be performed did no include them breaking my truck. Tell it to the judge when you sue to get your truck back after the shop keeps it for the unpaid bill.
August 11, 20187 yr oil, plugs, coils, harness, Cat, all for free because he's such a baller. Seems legit.
August 11, 20187 yr Dude, after that tech said...”I paid it out of my own pocket”...I would’ve said, “damn you didn’t have to do that...but thanks”...and walk the fuck out quick. That dude basically went to the back, got a cat from a box and installed it for free. He was just tying to guilt trip you into coming back...no fucking technician in the history of technicians would front a $600 cat from his own pocket because he “values you”.
August 11, 20187 yr haha, Gil Bang was an outstanding dick on this thread....and no help at all.Dance with the one that brung ya.
August 11, 20187 yr oil, plugs, coils, harness, Cat, all for free because he's such a baller. Seems legit. His wife “took care” of it.
August 14, 20187 yr Author It is settled. Total bill was $1395, plus service tech paid $650ish for a new cat. converter, as mentioned. I talked to the service manager today, and I will be paying $695 and the dealership will be paying $700 (plus covering their employee for the cat. he paid for). He DID pay for it out of his own pocket, but he acted on his own, and the dealership didn't make him do it, as that was not their suggestion. Suck brontosaurus dick, Gil Bang!
August 14, 20187 yr the dealership will be "paying" $700 of their own bill? Will they take the money out of the cash drawer, then put it back in the cash drawer? Will they give themselves a receipt? Will they get a discount because they have a friend at the dealership?
August 14, 20187 yr On 8/10/2018 at 7:43 PM, ernest_t_bass said: No. This is a pretty small rural town in NW Ohio. So you are comfortable with pissing off the Crypto-Juggalo Mafia?
August 15, 20187 yr On 8/10/2018 at 2:16 PM, NeverMarryAStripper said: If the problem was that common to that model, then a little googling would identify it pretty easily. There are plenty of brand specific forums on the web that contain a lot of good information. I ran into a problem like that with my explorer. A little reading on a ford explorer forum and I was pretty sure that I was running into the same problem that many owners were. I took it to my independent mechanic and told him what I thought it was. He confirmed it, and fixed it for much less than a dealer would have charged me. which explorer forum is the one you recommend?
August 15, 20187 yr 1 hour ago, NeverMarryAStripper said: I’ve found explorerforum.com very useful cool. I'll check it out. Been a rough year for my 2008 XLT, replaced a dead tranny and full brake job. Should make it run a few more years though.
August 15, 20187 yr 17 hours ago, zork said: which explorer forum is the one you recommend? https://www.ford-trucks.com/forums/index.php Everything you wanted to know about Ford trucks but were afraid to ask.
August 15, 20187 yr 54 minutes ago, RPM said: https://www.ford-trucks.com/forums/index.php Everything you wanted to know about Ford trucks but were afraid to ask. gracias
August 15, 20187 yr On 8/10/2018 at 6:43 PM, ernest_t_bass said: No. This is a pretty small rural town in NW Ohio. They told me to drive away with it "broken," basically. Also, they can't hold my car ransom. What if I can't afford the payment b/c it is higher than I budget (which it was, but I still have the cash). Look up the term 'Mechanics Lien'. They most certainly can hold your car ransom.
August 18, 20187 yr They replaced all the coils, plugs, and harness, right? The explanation may be that your engine computer is fuct up. Most of that stuff that you referred to should throw a code and be diagnosed easily. If it wasn't diagnosed easily and immediately, as it sounds like it wasn't, your computer could be jacked.
August 18, 20187 yr And Gil is right, there is a common-law "artisan's lien" in favor of mechanics in Ohio. They can legally retain possession of your car until the bill is paid. If you dispute the charges, and can't work something out, you have to go to court.
August 18, 20187 yr Aaaaaaaaaaand... the truck is misfiring again.Better have it towed to the Volvo dealer right away.
August 18, 20187 yr Get you some new injectors homie. Take that damn thing to an auto parts store or order a code reader online. See what the actual problems are before you take it to the shop. Or take the plugs out and tighten the metal tit on them and make it stop.
August 18, 20187 yr And Gil is right, there is a common-law "artisan's lien" in favor of mechanics in Ohio. They can legally retain possession of your car until the bill is paid. If you dispute the charges, and can't work something out, you have to go to court.Artisan, huh? They must have used those artisanal spark plugs made from porcelain made from hand selected grains of sand from an organic beach and fire blasted in a kiln made from 100% recycled material and fueled by algae from a biomass farm. It costs a little extra, but you're paying to save the world.
August 18, 20187 yr Author Still misfiring today. I already have a printed bill that shows the discount off the initial bill. Interesting to see what happens this go around. What is typical "warranty" on work done from a dealer? Specifically, in this situation, sparks + coils + cat.
August 18, 20187 yr Author Let the record show. OP stands firm on the fact that, regardless, OP is still the dumbass in all of this.
August 19, 20187 yr Still misfiring today. I already have a printed bill that shows the discount off the initial bill. Interesting to see what happens this go around. What is typical "warranty" on work done from a dealer? Specifically, in this situation, sparks + coils + cat.That shit is yours when you drive it off the lot. Is there a check engine light on?
August 19, 20187 yr Author 59 minutes ago, Jkwellborn said: That shit is yours when you drive it off the lot. Is there a check engine light on? Check engine light is not on. So... if this comes back on the reader as a coil or spark, it's (based on your first line) on me? That makes no sense.
August 19, 20187 yr Check engine light is not on. So... if this comes back on the reader as a coil or spark, it's (based on your first line) on me? That makes no sense. It’s misfiring but the CEL isn’t on? It typically flashes when it’s bad enough and should stay illuminated once it reaches a certain count. When does this happen? All gears and engine loads?
August 19, 20187 yr Check engine light is not on. So... if this comes back on the reader as a coil or spark, it's (based on your first line) on me? That makes no sense.How do you know the truck is misfiring? If it’s doing it enough for you to tell, it should throw a code. What engine speeds? Going down the road? In response to your post, I don’t know if they would warranty those parts or not. The actual manufacturer might, but you might be responsible for the labor. Find someone with a decent scanner that reads the transmission codes too.
August 19, 20187 yr Find someone with a decent scanner that reads the transmission codes too. I’m wondering if it might not be a transmission or torque converter/tc clutch problem.
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