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2024-2025 Houston Rockets thread - Prepare for Liftoff 🚀 [Now Featuring Kevin Durant]

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1 hour ago, Macklemore said:

 

Not particularly novel, but I want Stone to shop that same deal around the league and take the best offer available before the draft.  

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    also kept the 2027 and 2029 phoenix first round picks.

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I imagine that Green and 10 for Durant trade includes an unnamed vet contract like Londale.  

20 minutes ago, A-Tex Devil said:

I imagine that Green and 10 for Durant trade includes an unnamed vet contract like Londale.  

Maybe Holiday/Tate as well

7 minutes ago, tx 3 putt said:

rockets have to be careful here, kd nuked the nets and suns then skipped town 

Those teams had issues. Durant was wise to bounce in both cases.

 

Nets:

2019 - 2020 Nets... signed Kyrie and traded for KD. Covid season

2020-2021 Signed Steve Nash to coach (even though he'd never coached). 

2021 (Jan) traded for Harden.

2022 (Feb) traded Harden to PHI (for Ben Simmons, mostly).

2023 (Feb) traded Kyrie to Dallas and Durant to Suns.

(Durant, Harden, Kyrie played 16 games together.)

 

Suns:

2022 Dec Mat Ishbia buys team.

2023 Feb trade for KD

2023 May fire head coach (Monty Williams, NBA Coach of the Year the prior year) day after losing in 2nd round to DEN (champions). Hired Frank Vogel.

2024 June Fired head coach Frank Vogel. Hired Mike Budenholzer

2025 May Fired head coach Mike Budenholzer. Hired Joran Ott.

This will be a new coach every season after firing a winning coach because a team that played together for 4 months lost to the eventual champs. Mat Ishbia is a freak.

 

 

26 minutes ago, ChickenSandwich said:

Maybe Holiday/Tate as well

Holiday has a 4.9m option that would need to be picked up to be traded, and that would further increase the gap of being above the 1st apron.  If they can give Fred a deal starting at 28m and escalates for 2 years, that could work, but they would need his buy-in on a deal like that.  Fred's the real wild card in all this, because these multiplayer trades only work if the team can change their apron status.  If he really takes a discount year 1 to help the team trade only Green/Landale/Holiday/#10 for KD that would be pretty cool of him. 

11 minutes ago, Dutchrudder said:

Holiday has a 4.9m option that would need to be picked up to be traded, and that would further increase the gap of being above the 1st apron.  If they can give Fred a deal starting at 28m and escalates for 2 years, that could work, but they would need his buy-in on a deal like that.  Fred's the real wild card in all this, because these multiplayer trades only work if the team can change their apron status.  If he really takes a discount year 1 to help the team trade only Green/Landale/Holiday/#10 for KD that would be pretty cool of him. 

The team option deadline for of FVV was mutually agreed to move to June 29... which is post draft and should allow them to create a flexible offer. They will absolutely come to a lower AAV deal. Nobody is going to offer FVV $45M AAV. 3/100 gets it done.

5 minutes ago, Slacks said:

The team option deadline for of FVV was mutually agreed to move to June 29... which is post draft and should allow them to create a flexible offer. They will absolutely come to a lower AAV deal. Nobody is going to offer FVV $45M AAV. 3/100 gets it done.

Yeah, I expect them to bring that number way down. It's a matter of how much, since I doubt anyone else is going to offer him 30m+ a year.  I heard 3 years ~90m thrown around, which I think is fair for him, but if he can help structure it a little lower to start, it really opens up the trade options by dropping under the 1st apron.  Also, the team can't go into the 2nd apron in this kind of trade, and I doubt management would want to do that anyways. If he helps make this happen for the least impactful amount of assets going out, it will be a huge help to the team and really show how committed Fred is to winning with the Rockets. I really hope we see that happen!

If they can knock FVV down to the 3 years $75 million that’s good for the team, a very tradeable contract, and frankly around what he deserves.

My concern is they give him 3 for $90 million and he’s radioactive until 2028. 

Game theory guys assumed the 3/90 would be front loaded and go down each year

 

*and the leaked trade offer is most likely missing Dylan Brooks contract. 
 

Young player (#10)

 Tradable asset - Green

Immediate rotation piece- Brooks (on short term $20 per yr)

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1 hour ago, ChickenSandwich said:

Game theory guys assumed the 3/90 would be front loaded and go down each year

 

*and the leaked trade offer is most likely missing Dylan Brooks contract. 
 

Young player (#10)

 Tradable asset - Green

Immediate rotation piece- Brooks (on short term $20 per yr)

I want to believe. The newest episode of Game Theory pretty much said Jabari or bust. That would be not great given his defensive metrics.

I think Ishbia is a stubborn dumb fuck and he runs it back with KD yet again. The guy has gone on and on about not wanting to tank. Going so far as to basically call Game Theory and their listeners GM nerds. Meanwhile, his best player Booker has said he doesn’t want to be on a rebuilding team. Ishbia might need to need to keep KD or get an overwhelming package back  to keep Booker happy. 
 

I think they’d accept the Twolves thirsty offer of Gobert, Dillingham, and the other the 17th pick. But KD has made it clear he won’t resign there. He’s a lot like us. He’s just trying to get home to Austin. 

If I was Minnesota I would do that deal just to get rid of Gobert's contract and extend Reid and make him the starter.

Minny can take green from the Suns and send back Rudy. 
 

Twolves would be a good landing spot for Green. 

KD for 10 pick, Green and Reed

Fucking do that yesterday

3 hours ago, billfromlaketravis said:

If they can knock FVV down to the 3 years $75 million that’s good for the team, a very tradeable contract, and frankly around what he deserves.

My concern is they give him 3 for $90 million and he’s radioactive until 2028. 

Opinions are mostly worthless, but websites that project players’ worth and next contract value all put FVV around $25m/yr, maybe a little less. Paying $30m is getting robbed. 

 

6 hours ago, Dutchrudder said:

Fred's the real wild card in all this, because these multiplayer trades only work if the team can change their apron status.  If he really takes a discount year 1 to help the team trade only Green/Landale/Holiday/#10 for KD that would be pretty cool of him. 

I wouldn’t consider it taking one for the team if he agreed to a contract >$25m AAV since it’s still above market rate for the player he is. If they don’t come to an agreement, Houston will decline the option. This is an offseason without many spenders and he may be lucky to get a deal at $20m AAV. 

2 minutes ago, Murfdogg21 said:

Opinions are mostly worthless, but websites that project players’ worth and next contract value all put FVV around $25m/yr, maybe a little less. Paying $30m is getting robbed. 

 

I wouldn’t consider it taking one for the team if he agreed to a contract >$25m AAV since it’s still above market rate for the player he is. If they don’t come to an agreement, Houston will decline the option. This is an offseason without many spenders and he may be lucky to get a deal at $20m AAV. 

If they were very bold they’d let FVV walk and sign Schroeder for like 3 years $45 million. But… FVV is Ime’s guy, so both sides are probably looking for something mutually beneficial.

Because this thread is a safe place, I’ll say it here. San Antonio is being overly cute if the price for KD is just Vassell, Barnes, and the 14th pick.

Barnes plays the same position and Vassell’s numbers only look good because he got a shit ton more shots after Wemby went down. 14 is a rounding error in their current pick portfolio. They’re going to need KD’s scoring punch when Wemby inevitably goes out with one of extremely tall person injuries 

I can understand the Rockets protecting Jabari. He’s a plus defender and quietly became their best 3 point shooter. One of the few positives from the GSW series. The Rockets could really use KD’s bucket getting ability, but I’m not sure he’s worth Jabari’s upside at 22. 

The Suns are waiting for a team to flinch and throw in more stuff. They want someone to get desperate and overpay, or just wait for the deadline when another team or two enters the bidding. 

19 hours ago, billfromlaketravis said:

Because this thread is a safe place, I’ll say it here. San Antonio is being overly cute if the price for KD is just Vassell, Barnes, and the 14th pick.

13 hours ago, Dutchrudder said:

The Suns are waiting for a team to flinch and throw in more stuff. They want someone to get desperate and overpay, or just wait for the deadline when another team or two enters the bidding. 

Both. Who will hold out the longest in the negotiation? SA and Houston are hardballing Phoenix, as they should. Jalen (based on potential and being former #2 pick with flashes of scoring prowess) and #10 pick is probably fair, with the winner of the trade being mainly determined by KD's health. That offer is still better than what SA is offering, and anything more than that could end up being a terrible trade for Houston. SA has been so damn lucky with the lottery they can afford to pay a little more and still have good short term and long term outlook.

if the Suns want a pick in this year's draft as part of the return for KD, you'd think a trade would be agreed to within the next day or so...

20 hours ago, billfromlaketravis said:

Because this thread is a safe place, I’ll say it here. San Antonio is being overly cute if the price for KD is just Vassell, Barnes, and the 14th pick.

Barnes plays the same position and Vassell’s numbers only look good because he got a shit ton more shots after Wemby went down. 14 is a rounding error in their current pick portfolio. They’re going to need KD’s scoring punch when Wemby inevitably goes out with one of extremely tall person injuries 

I can understand the Rockets protecting Jabari. He’s a plus defender and quietly became their best 3 point shooter. One of the few positives from the GSW series. The Rockets could really use KD’s bucket getting ability, but I’m not sure he’s worth Jabari’s upside at 22. 

 

the spurs do not need another guard with the #2 pick 

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  • immamac changed the title to 2024-2025 Houston Rockets thread - Prepare for Liftoff 🚀 [Now Featuring Kevin Durant]

Literally the perfect trade. Replace Green's scoring with KD, Brooks' defensive capabilities were already surpassed by Amen and Eason. 5 second round picks, lol. 

We are loaded and now have a go-to scorer with playoff experience to take this team to the next level. FUCKING A. 

 

Second round picks, the NBA equivalent of a best buy coupon

BREAKING: The Phoenix Suns are trading two-time NBA Finals MVP Kevin Durant to the Houston Rockets for Jalen Green, Dillon Brooks, the No. 10 pick in the 2025 draft and five second-round picks, sources tell ESPN.

The fact they were able to hang on to all their young talent is amazing.

That's a deep fucking team.

3 minutes ago, Hank Kingsley said:

Literally the perfect trade. Replace Green's scoring with KD, Brooks' defensive capabilities were already surpassed by Amen and Eason. 5 second round picks, lol. 

We are loaded and now have a go-to scorer with playoff experience to take this team to the next level. FUCKING A. 

 

 

rockets keep 90% of their young core + kd 

stone is a true ninja. he's assembled a hell of a squad 

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also kept the 2027 and 2029 phoenix first round picks.

Just now, BigOrange1 said:

also kept the 2027 and 2029 phoenix first round picks.

 

these will be very good picks 

holding on to this + the core 

 

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5 minutes ago, Scraps said:

Damn this is my wet dream

congrats on no longer having to pretend to like Dillon Brooks! It's  gotta feel a lot like the time when CP3 left huh? 

4 minutes ago, BigOrange1 said:

also kept the 2027 and 2029 phoenix first round picks.

I can almost guarantee that Green will be flipped for something else, but him and Booker together I can see 20-30 wins being the ceiling.

On 6/20/2025 at 7:08 PM, ChickenSandwich said:

Game theory guys assumed the 3/90 would be front loaded and go down each year

 

*and the leaked trade offer is most likely missing Dylan Brooks contract. 
 

Young player (#10)

 Tradable asset - Green

Immediate rotation piece- Brooks (on short term $20 per yr)

Stone is a gangster

 

Game theory guys gonna lose their minds

2 minutes ago, HtownHorn said:

I can almost guarantee that Green will be flipped for something else, but him and Booker together I can see 20-30 wins being the ceiling.

 

100% they're flipping green

minnesota ?

sports radio will be great tomorrow 

It's a great trade and great place for KD. The Suns are the absolute worst (outside of Nico).

Similar to retrospectively analyzing the Deshaun Watson trade, I took a peek at the James Harden trade to see how it stands today:

Rockets received:

  • 2021 pick swap - Not utilized
  • 2022 #17 pick - Tari Eason
  • 2022 Miami pick swap for Oladipo - Not utilized
  • 2023 pick swap - Not utilized
  • 2024 #3 pick - Reed Sheppard
  • 2025 pick swap - traded back to Nets
  • 2026 FRP - traded back to Nets

From second Nets trade:

  • 2025 Suns pick swap (#10) - traded back to Suns
  • 2027 Suns FRP
  • 2029 pick swap with best of Suns/Mavs

So the net transaction thus far is:

  • James Harden, Jalen Green, and Dillon Brooks, for
  • Tari Eason, Reed Sheppard, KD, 2027 Suns pick, 2029 swap with Suns or Mavs

Guess he'll be showing up for a whole lot more UT events next year.  cool

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