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#2751
Just now, Dutchrudder said:

Someone needs to turn the Haliburton choke sign into an NBA logo. 

You mean the Reggie Miller choke sign. 
 

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#2752
2 minutes ago, TonyTexas said:

You mean the Reggie Miller choke sign. 
 

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I mean logo-ize it. There was some discussion about the LeBron block in game 7 becoming a new logo (below), because it was such an iconic moment. This Hali choke sign was pretty iconic too, not nearly as important of a game, but would be a fun meme to have. 

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#2753
An insane stat I just read: this marks the 9th straight season where the NBA MVP has no tattoos.Seriously.

 

#2754

Minny is going to swept or gentlemen swept.  OKC is elite on defense and they have two guys in their starting five that are black holes on offense.

#2755
1 hour ago, Aqua Buddha said:

Minny is going to swept or gentlemen swept.  OKC is elite on defense and they have two guys in their starting five that are black holes on offense.

Minny just needs to have Ant go on a rampage tonight and impregnate all the OKC guy's girlfriend and wives that he can. That will cause plenty of distraction on the team and ruin their chemistry to the point that Minny has a decided advantage.  It's what alphas do, and it could be legendary if Ant knocked up some sluts while in the boringest city in the NBA. What else is he gonna do, check out the Banjo Museum?

#2760
8 minutes ago, Mittens said:

20th Century wins easy.  Chris Paul and Joel Embiid won't even make the game.

And Melo refused to play defense unless he was playing in the Olympics.

#2761

Ewing would destroy bitch ass Embiid, and the 20th Century team has the best player (Elgin) and probably another guy I’d take before anyone on the 21st Century team (Barkley). 

#2762

I could make a much better 21st century team. For starters - prime Jimmy Butler over VC is a fucking no-brainer. 

Or Tracy McGrady. 

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#2763
8 minutes ago, ztejas said:

I could make a much better 21st century team. For starters - prime Jimmy Butler over VC is a fucking no-brainer. 

Or Tracy McGrady. 

I’m taking James Harden at one of the guard slots. 

#2764
10 minutes ago, MrX said:

I’m taking James Harden at one of the guard slots. 

Yeah that was my other thought. Harden over AI. Despite the playoff choking.

#2766
8 minutes ago, Reynolds Woodcock said:

LFG Knicks!

 

 

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Wrong thread.

Granted I don't understand why we keep both threads active once the playoffs start. I almost said something about this the other night. We don't need 2 general discussion NBA threads there are like 18 NBA fans here. 

#2767
Zion Williamson has been accused of rape and physical abuse in Los Angeles by a Jane Doe claiming to be his former girlfriend, per @DailyMail “In addition to two specific rape allegations, the New Orleans Pelicans power forward is accused of a continuing pattern of 'abusive,…

 

#2768
On 5/27/2025 at 4:52 PM, ztejas said:

prime Jimmy Butler over VC is a fucking no-brainer. 

Butler played 80 games 1x; Carter played 80+ games 5x. 
Butler's 80 games were in his 2nd year when he contributed next to nothing.
Carter has more 70+ game seasons than Butler has 50+ game seasons.

Butler's high ppg is 23.9; Carter avgd higher than that 6x.

In Butler's 5 best scoring seasons, his avg for points + rebounds + assists + steals + blocks is 36.34; Carter's is 37.38.

Butler's high PIE was 18.4; Carter's high was 19.

 

 

#2769
44 minutes ago, Mittens said:

Butler played 80 games 1x; Carter played 80+ games 5x. 
Butler's 80 games were in his 2nd year when he contributed next to nothing.
Carter has more 70+ game seasons than Butler has 50+ game seasons.

Butler's high ppg is 23.9; Carter avgd higher than that 6x.

In Butler's 5 best scoring seasons, his avg for points + rebounds + assists + steals + blocks is 36.34; Carter's is 37.38.

Butler's high PIE was 18.4; Carter's high was 19.

 

 

Is this a bit? I thought we were doing the best 5 guys at their peaks in a game against each other or series. 

Butler was the best player on 2 Finals teams. He has 5 All-NBA selections to VC's 2. He has 5 all-defense teams to VC's 0. 

Congrats to Vince for playing more games and putting up more counting stats in the regular season. In the playoffs - and at each guy's peak - I'm not sure how it's even a debate. Especially within the context of being surrounded by other superstars in this hypothetical.

#2770
4 minutes ago, ztejas said:

Is this a bit? I thought we were doing the best 5 guys at their peaks in a game against each other or series. 

Correct.  And if you're trying to make a case for Butler's peak over Carter's peak, then that's a losing argument. 

#2771
25 minutes ago, Mittens said:

Correct.  And if you're trying to make a case for Butler's peak over Carter's peak, then that's a losing argument. 

Based on what? 

I get you're a Celtics fan but give me a break, dude. Butler was a fucking animal in '23. Carter never touched that level of winning-basketball. 

Butler was maybe better in '22 despite losing to Boston. He led the playoffs in Win Shares, WS/48, OBPM, BPM and VORP. And two of those are cumulative stats and he didn't even play in the damn Finals. 

Carter had one season KIND of like that and led the playoffs in BPM but they lost in 5 games to the Heat in 2006 in the conference semis.

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#2772

Based on the numbers you've already seen.  wtf does being a Celtics fan have to do w/ anything?  Did Carter have a year in Boston I'm not aware of?

#2773
10 minutes ago, Mittens said:

Based on the numbers you've already seen.  wtf does being a Celtics fan have to do w/ anything?  Did Carter have a year in Boston I'm not aware of?

This is obviously a pointless debate and I'm not convincing you. 

I'd take Jimmy 10 times out of 10 - and in pretty much any context. VC wasn't some bum but Butler's playoff resume speaks for itself. 

I don't think your take here is crazy I just disagree. 

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It's funny how this doesn't even register. NBA fans are kind of over this guy. Questions will be asked in 10 years of who was bigger bust, Zion or Ben Simmons.
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#2777
So if you’re building a team and you have to pick one of butler or Carter, you’re going Butler?   

I'm taking Butler but it's really close. VC is better in the regular season. Jimmy is better in the playoffs.
#2778
1 hour ago, Im_smarter_then_you said:

Fuck that.  AI was savage.  I’ll take him over Harden. Stats be damned.  

Playoff stats 

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playoffs often come down to heart. Iverson had the heart of a lion. Harden has the heart of a guy dead set on getting to the strip club before the 10 VIP dances for the price of 9 promotion ends at midnight. 

#2779
33 minutes ago, Blotto said:

Playoff stats 

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playoffs often come down to heart. Iverson had the heart of a lion. Harden has the heart of a guy dead set on getting to the strip club before the 10 VIP dances for the price of 9 promotion ends at midnight. 

Does that say 45 minutes played for AI?

#2780
8 hours ago, Im_smarter_then_you said:

So if you’re building a team and you have to pick one of butler or Carter, you’re going Butler?   

Cause all those teams that Carter led did so well

#2783
41 minutes ago, Im_smarter_then_you said:

If Detroit offered you Cade Cunningham for Ant would you do it 

Throw in a lifetime supply of Little Caesar’s and I’d be tempted. 

#2784

Dan's not going to be happy with this...

The Phoenix Suns have narrowed their head coaching search to two finalists from the Cleveland Cavaliers, associate coach Johnnie Bryant and assistant Jordan Ott, sources tell ESPN. Both will meet with Suns owner Mat Ishbia in Michigan ahead of a hiring as soon as later this week.

 

#2789
FROM SHAMS: BREAKING: The New York Knicks are relieving Tom Thibodeau of his duties as head coach, sources tell ESPN. Thibodeau led the Knicks to their first East Finals in 25 years, made playoffs in 4 of 5 years and led Knicks to consecutive 50+ win seasons for first time since the 1990s.

 

#2790
On 6/1/2025 at 1:27 PM, Im_smarter_then_you said:

If Detroit offered you Cade Cunningham for Ant would you do it 

Ask again next year. Although it wouldn't be the craziest swap.

Think I need to see Cade win a playoff series first. 

#2791
4 minutes ago, Js1 said:
FROM SHAMS: BREAKING: The New York Knicks are relieving Tom Thibodeau of his duties as head coach, sources tell ESPN. Thibodeau led the Knicks to their first East Finals in 25 years, made playoffs in 4 of 5 years and led Knicks to consecutive 50+ win seasons for first time since the 1990s.

 

I'm less than a casual NBA follower, but why?

#2792
18 minutes ago, ztejas said:

Ask again next year. Although it wouldn't be the craziest swap.

Think I need to see Cade win a playoff series first. 

He didnt win this yr but he surely wasnt the reason they didnt win.   He balled out

 

16 minutes ago, Don Johnson said:

I'm less than a casual NBA follower, but why?

He can be grating but NBA teams are completely unrealistic.   If you dont win a title, you aint shit.    

#2793

I see why the Knicks fired him. If they want to get to the next level, it wasn't going to be with him. Now they actually have to hit on the replacement or it won't mean much. Not sure if Malone is the answer as they are mirror images of each other

#2795
50 minutes ago, d2o said:

He didnt win this yr but he surely wasnt the reason they didnt win.   He balled out

I'm just saying I'd like more data points. Ant has proven he can repeatedly go deep against pretty good teams.

#2797
53 minutes ago, ztejas said:

I'm just saying I'd like more data points. Ant has proven he can repeatedly go deep against pretty good teams.

No problem with that.   Just saying Cade made me a believer this yr

#2798

I mean, I get the instant gratification of coaching changes. However, HAVE THE FUCKING KNICKS LOOKED AT THEIR GODDAMN RECORD PRIOR TO THE COACH THEY JUST FUCKING FIRED? Also, you dumbasses are the ones that saddled him with Karl, the fucking loseriest player in recent NBA memory. They were the flukiest of shots away from a Game 7. It’s just idiotic, unless he pulled an Isiah Thomas on some support staff, but that would probably just endear him to Dolan.

#2799
Every NBA coach of the year from 2018-2023 ended up getting fired

 

#2800
2 hours ago, Don Johnson said:

I'm less than a casual NBA follower, but why?

The rumors are that the owner, a known dipshit, made the call.  No one else in the Knicks wanted him gone.  

I have no clue if that's accurate, given the immediacy of the situation and information available, but knowing how fucking idiotic Dolan is, I believe it blindly.

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