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San Antonio Spurs 2024-25 - Taking it in the pooper for Cooper

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9 hours ago, D3zii said:

Don’t forget Vassel (he’s not a forward) , Paul, Keldon Johnson, Wesley and Champagnie.
smh just feel like we have so many guards we need to get rid of some. 
 

also wouldn’t mind taking that Duke Forward at 14 (if he’s there) and getting rid of Sochan. 

About 2 of those guys can be traded along with this pick for Giannis and maybe some of the future 1st

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  • DToro
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    Tough day. I. covered the Spurs from 1996-2014. I saw the franchise, which had always been on the cusp of getting the crown, but never getting over the hump, as runner-up. Losing to the Washington in

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    I knew this day was coming sooner than later. It's still hard. IMO, Pop is the greatest NBA coach/executive of all time. (Spare me the Red Auerbach/Phil Jackson talk today.) I'm sure I've told th

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7 hours ago, Michael Knight said:

If we don't get Giannis I don't think you can pass on a player like Harper. This is why I wanted the Spurs to get the 1st pick but theres always a chance the Mavs talk themselves out of Flagg 

It's not like they have a demonstrably incompetent GM

Yeah I don't think I was properly excited because the Dallas thing was so shocking. 

My first instinct was to trade it but Harper may be a stud. I think you take him and if you have too many guards then ship them later. Kyle Mann on Simmons last night was saying he'd be a #1 in plenty of years.

5 minutes ago, ztejas said:

Yeah I don't think I was properly excited because the Dallas thing was so shocking. 

My first instinct was to trade it but Harper may be a stud. I think you take him and if you have too many guards then ship them later. Kyle Mann on Simmons last night was saying he'd be a #1 in plenty of years.

I'm with you. Don't overthink it and just take Harper. Giannis is gonna have a lot of suitors and I don't like giving up a shitload to get a guy on the wrong side of 30.

Given his age (just said the same to my boys) what's a realistic trade for the freak? Who and what would you give up?

11 hours ago, Michael Knight said:

If we don't get Giannis I don't think you can pass on a player like Harper. This is why I wanted the Spurs to get the 1st pick but theres always a chance the Mavs talk themselves out of Flagg 

Dallas will burn the city to the ground if they trade the pick or take someone other than Flagg.

I'm in the "take Harper and let shit work itself out" camp if we aren't somehow involved for Giannis. Ace Bailey is intriguing as well. Can't believe you had those two guys on the same roster and couldn't do better than 15-17 or whatever Rutgers was.

I didn't realize that Harper is Ron Harper's kid until yesterday.

My two cents would that SA would be better off taking that Ace Bailey long term, assuming he can shoot.  You'd have Wemby, Bailey, Fox, and Castle.  That's a helluva young core for literally the next decade.  MIL would want at minimum Castle and the #2 pick in addition to other assets.  

Giannis also has $175M left over three years.  

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16 minutes ago, jeevsie said:

Given his age (just said the same to my boys) what's a realistic trade for the freak? Who and what would you give up?

Leave Giannis alone. He's going to screw up their cap going forward and he's going to deplete the assets that would allow them compete for years. They got so lucky, again. Take Harper. Don't think twice about it. Don't overcomplicate it. 

I'm concerned that they don't have enough (any) shooters, but let's not over think this. Harper is going to be unstoppable playing off of Wemby. They can find some shooters through trades or free agency. They are building this the right way. It's not going to take them long to make the jump. 

1 hour ago, jeevsie said:

Given his age (just said the same to my boys) what's a realistic trade for the freak? Who and what would you give up?

Depends on what the bidding war looks like. 

For us it would be either Harper or Castle, probably DV or Sochan maybe and then some salary filler and we'd take one of their bad-ish contracts. Plus 3 or 4 firsts I think. 

Sengun is in the deal if you're Houston as is probably two of their promising wings like JSJ, Eason, Whitmore... Amen is likely untouchable. Plus a similar amount of picks. 

1 hour ago, Aqua Buddha said:

My two cents would that SA would be better off taking that Ace Bailey long term, assuming he can shoot.  You'd have Wemby, Bailey, Fox, and Castle.  That's a helluva young core for literally the next decade.  MIL would want at minimum Castle and the #2 pick in addition to other assets.  

Giannis also has $175M left over three years.  

Bailey has bust written all over him. We take Giannis and we're immediate contenders for the title next year, it puts our rebuild into overdrive. With Harper we have a strong young core that can contend for a decade with Giannis we have a team that can win 2-3 championships the next 6 years. 

Does Fox's upcoming contract extension impact whether or not SA going after Giannis?  He has one year left and Wemby has two years left.  Giannis is at about $60M per year the next three years.

21 minutes ago, Aqua Buddha said:

Does Fox's upcoming contract extension impact whether or not SA going after Giannis?  He has one year left and Wemby has two years left.  Giannis is at about $60M per year the next three years.

Spend to win baby

5 hours ago, ztejas said:

For us it would be either Harper or Castle, probably DV or Sochan maybe and then some salary filler and we'd take one of their bad-ish contracts. Plus 3 or 4 firsts I think. 

Way too much. Rather just take Harper, trade KJ and DV for some size and start winning a lot in 2 years. 

20 hours ago, D3zii said:

Other than Wemby they’ve taking a guard every year.  I have no idea what they’re doing in that regard

Yes, it's totally regaurded.

 

I'll show myself out...

48 minutes ago, EZ$ said:

Way too much. Rather just take Harper, trade KJ and DV for some size and start winning a lot in 2 years. 

If Harper is any good, that roster is a 4-6 seed next season and a title contender the year after that and that's without paying Giannis $175M.

4 minutes ago, BurntOrange&White said:

Pro Tip: Don't build with Kevin Durant

Yeah, I don't understand that apron thing at all but I do know it makes it basically impossible to have a good team 3 max guys.  You're almost better off with 1 A lister, 2-3 B listers, and then a bunch of B-/C+ guys.  Otherwise, it's 3 A listers and a bunch of G League guys.

1 hour ago, Aqua Buddha said:

Yeah, I don't understand that apron thing at all but I do know it makes it basically impossible to have a good team 3 max guys.  You're almost better off with 1 A lister, 2-3 B listers, and then a bunch of B-/C+ guys.  Otherwise, it's 3 A listers and a bunch of G League guys.

You can have a good team with 3 max guys if you build it organically. You can't trade away your entire team for 1 guy and then be unable to add talent after.

So Harper is 6'6" 215. Castle is basically the same size. Could you get away with lineups with them 2 plus Fox? You'd probably have to be big at the 4 and the 5.

I think you maybe could. 

22 hours ago, thepop said:

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Wow..... he was like 6'2" his last year in HS.  If you get lucky he grows another half an inch or inch.  But with those measurements..... I'm thinking you keep is simple, stupid and take Harper.  Teach him how to win and how to lead.  Trade Fox in 2-3 years and Harper/Castle is your backcourt for the next decade or more.  We'd still have assets to trade for a star level player either this summer or at the deadline.  

1 hour ago, Patrick Bateman said:

Wow..... he was like 6'2" his last year in HS.  If you get lucky he grows another half an inch or inch.  But with those measurements..... I'm thinking you keep is simple, stupid and take Harper.  Teach him how to win and how to lead.  Trade Fox in 2-3 years and Harper/Castle is your backcourt for the next decade or more.  We'd still have assets to trade for a star level player either this summer or at the deadline.  

This is the right answer.  Trading the future for Giannis and his $178M right now is basically ceding Wemby away in five years because the team is middling.

If Harper is good, that's a solid core.

Alright we're going a little far in the other direction now. I still vote draft Harper. 

 

But - I mean - Giannis and Wemby would be so fucking disgusting together. Giannis is on the wrong side of 30 but he was still far and away the 2nd best player in the league this season. 

If you could keep Castle, Fox and bring CP3 back? 

That's an immediate Finals contender. 

14 hours ago, ztejas said:

Alright we're going a little far in the other direction now. I still vote draft Harper. 

 

But - I mean - Giannis and Wemby would be so fucking disgusting together. Giannis is on the wrong side of 30 but he was still far and away the 2nd best player in the league this season. 

If you could keep Castle, Fox and bring CP3 back? 

That's an immediate Finals contender. 

This. 99% of the time, just take the most talented player available. If it's not a roster fit you can always trade it away, so get the most leverage you can get.

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Side note, let Harper have #2. It’s time to get Kawhi’s stink off that number. No fan is going to accept the number being retired anyway. 

17 minutes ago, thepop said:

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Side note, let Harper have #2. It’s time to get Kawhi’s stink off that number. No fan is going to accept the number being retired anyway. 

I always say this to Spurs fans who insist that his jersey be retired; it will be the first jersey retirement ceremony where the people in attendance actively boo (and loudly) the honoree. 

2 hours ago, Kermit said:

I always say this to Spurs fans who insist that his jersey be retired; it will be the first jersey retirement ceremony where the people in attendance actively boo (and loudly) the honoree. 

I wouldn't boo because I would leave the arena before that ceremony.

 

24 minutes ago, BurntOrange&White said:

No way should Kawhis number be retired. 

Jaren Jackson before Kawhi

20 hours ago, ztejas said:

So Harper is 6'6" 215. Castle is basically the same size. Could you get away with lineups with them 2 plus Fox? You'd probably have to be big at the 4 and the 5.

I think you maybe could. 

 

Happy Antonio Banderas GIF

2 hours ago, BurntOrange&White said:

No way should Kawhis number be retired. 

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Video of Giannis and Dylan working out. Also, some Ace Bailey. Giannis is so fucking cool. 

On 5/13/2025 at 12:28 PM, C-Man said:

Dallas will burn the city to the ground if they trade the pick or take someone other than Flagg.

I'm in the "take Harper and let shit work itself out" camp if we aren't somehow involved for Giannis. Ace Bailey is intriguing as well. Can't believe you had those two guys on the same roster and couldn't do better than 15-17 or whatever Rutgers was.

I didn't realize that Harper is Ron Harper's kid until yesterday.

Where is the down side to your first sentence?

3 hours ago, Michael Knight said:

The Spurs are certainly acting like they are just fine with drafting Harper

I think they could draft Haper and still have enough to trade for a Giannis especially with future picks.

Wemby sporting cornrows looking like he's been in the weight room. 

League fucked. 

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40 minutes ago, ztejas said:

Wemby sporting cornrows looking like he's been in the weight room. 

League fucked. 

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The clot was preventing muscle growth. League definitely fucked.

Ace Bailey, listed at 6-10 all season, measured 6-7 1/2 in socks at the combine.

4 hours ago, C-Man said:

Ace Bailey, listed at 6-10 all season, measured 6-7 1/2 in socks at the combine.

I'm not sure this is the right thread for this because we aren't drafting the fucker - but I was reading a mock yesterday that said he was 6'10" and I had no idea and figured it was a typo. For a second I was like "oh okay I get why he's consensus #3". 

But yeah that's not exactly 6'10". It's still 2.75 inches on Tre but his wingspan is only a 2.25 more.

Edgecombe is 6'4.0" w/o shoes but has just a 6'7.5" wingspan. 

I could see them going in any order 3-5 tbh. The mock I was reading had Kneuppel 5th over Tre fwiw which would be a huge fucking mistake but it is the NBA draft. 

Kevin O'conners latest mock draft (Yahoo) has us taking this guy at 14. Definitely need to use that pick for a shooting wing like him or a big.

 

 

12 minutes ago, thepop said:

Kevin O'conners latest mock draft (Yahoo) has us taking this guy at 14. Definitely need to use that pick for a shooting wing like him or a big.

 

 

McNeeley is a terrible athlete though. I don't think he can ever be even an average defender. I doubt the spurs would draft him. I'd much rather draft a big at 14. 

16 hours ago, ztejas said:

I'm not sure this is the right thread for this because we aren't drafting the fucker - but I was reading a mock yesterday that said he was 6'10" and I had no idea and figured it was a typo. For a second I was like "oh okay I get why he's consensus #3". 

But yeah that's not exactly 6'10". It's still 2.75 inches on Tre but his wingspan is only a 2.25 more.

Edgecombe is 6'4.0" w/o shoes but has just a 6'7.5" wingspan. 

I could see them going in any order 3-5 tbh. The mock I was reading had Kneuppel 5th over Tre fwiw which would be a huge fucking mistake but it is the NBA draft. 

The same article at The Athletic that showed that said Flagg measured about the same in socks. Duke listed him at 6-9. Guess the shoes give you an inch or so.

At any rate, I found it interesting. Bailey has some nice tools and if he's really 6-10, even more so. I want us to take Harper or trade the pick for something like Giannis.

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