May 28May 28 I was there. It remains one of the most amazing in-person sporting events I’ve ever attended.
June 5Jun 5 I think you may be able to do it without Vassell too, put Keldon and Wesley in the package.
June 5Jun 5 53 minutes ago, Patrick Bateman said: I think you may be able to do it without Vassell too, put Keldon and Wesley in the package. No thanks. Love KD but he's a team morale killer.
June 6Jun 6 I don't know much about trades and NBA salary economics, but with the Spurs as the new destination franchise, I see it playing out like this: Just before the draft, Flagg refuses to play in Dallas. A three way trade sends Lively and AD to Phoenix. We give Phoenix our #14. Spurs get Durant. Dallas gets Suns 2045 2nd rounder, Vassell, and a subscription to the Churro of the Month club for the #1 pick to SA. Nico reminds irate fans that "it's the gift that keeps on giving."
June 10Jun 10 I always say this to Spurs fans who insist that his jersey be retired; it will be the first jersey retirement ceremony where the people in attendance actively boo (and loudly) the honoree. It should be a surprise jersey burning ceremony.
June 10Jun 10 Author 2 hours ago, Eskimohorn said: It should be a surprise jersey burning ceremony. Yes, while he’s still wearing it.
June 10Jun 10 7 minutes ago, chainsaw said: I need the KD to SA talk (mostly clickbait) to go away I need KD to be traded to SA.
June 13Jun 13 On 6/10/2025 at 5:43 PM, chainsaw said: I need the KD to SA talk (mostly clickbait) to go away Why? It's a very real possibility, it's simply about the price. I have a feeling another team may end up giving a pricier offer, but if we can swing a 3 way deal and only give up Barnes, Keldon and stuff along with maybe a first and swap then it could be a great get. We shouldn't be giving away the 2nd pick unless we can get a star in their prime.
June 13Jun 13 Author On 6/11/2025 at 3:38 PM, Hate said: Former Spur David Greenwood recently passed away. Nice guy. Greenwood was neighbors with one of my friends in high school and used to give us his tickets every now and then. RIP.
June 13Jun 13 3 hours ago, chainsaw said: https://streamable.com/4838u8 No KD thank god I would guess they're offering more and that's fine but even Shams was forced to admit that his reporting doesn't include what KD wants, which is crucial since he's on an expiring deal. Shams used to get all of information via agents, so this sounds like through a competitive agency he's hearing this. Again, I don't think the Spurs will be the place because it would require KD basically pushing to come here and without Pop as coach, I don't think he will make it get messy. Maybe I'm wrong, but it feels like the only way he ends up in SA, which is fine. It just means we may end up with a really young squad and better next year but not ready to really compete for championship, maybe a playoff berth.
June 13Jun 13 25 minutes ago, Michael Knight said: what kind of an idiot wouldn't want kd He's post-prime and I don't want him taking oxygen from the young core we're building, but I'd be willing to bring him on as a vet min journeyman mentor ala Chris Paul so long as we're not giving anything up for it.
June 13Jun 13 Just now, chainsaw said: He's post-prime and I don't want him taking oxygen from the young core we're building, but I'd be willing to bring him on as a vet min journeyman mentor ala Chris Paul so long as we're not giving anything up for it. He averaged 26 pts a game on 52% shooting, he would solve our wing problems 3 minutes ago, Patrick Bateman said: I would guess they're offering more and that's fine but even Shams was forced to admit that his reporting doesn't include what KD wants, which is crucial since he's on an expiring deal. Shams used to get all of information via agents, so this sounds like through a competitive agency he's hearing this. Again, I don't think the Spurs will be the place because it would require KD basically pushing to come here and without Pop as coach, I don't think he will make it get messy. Maybe I'm wrong, but it feels like the only way he ends up in SA, which is fine. It just means we may end up with a really young squad and better next year but not ready to really compete for championship, maybe a playoff berth. Reportedly the Spurs were his top choice, we almost traded for him at the deadline
June 13Jun 13 He's still very good, but he won't be as good next year and the dropoff will be pretty fast. Not worth the price of admission.
June 13Jun 13 8 minutes ago, chainsaw said: I don't want him taking oxygen from the young core we're building What about showing them how to play basketball?
June 13Jun 13 Just now, ztejas said: What about showing them how to play basketball? Fine with that, but the pricetag needs to reflect that job description. If he wants more and his agent is trying to get him the most $$, then there was never going to be a deal that made sense for the Spurs
June 13Jun 13 I'd be fine with KD, but I'm not giving up anything valuable for him. The Suns seem kind of over a barrel. Well, over a lot of barrels.
June 13Jun 13 7 minutes ago, Michael Knight said: He averaged 26 pts a game on 52% shooting, he would solve our wing problems Reportedly the Spurs were his top choice, we almost traded for him at the deadline I get it.... but he would have to push for SA. Tell Phoenix and all other teams that's where he wants to be and won't entertain an extension, even if traded there, until he becomes a UFA. It seems we're not willing to put either Vassell or Sochan or both in the deal and Phoenix also wants a center, which we don't have. 5 minutes ago, chainsaw said: He's still very good, but he won't be as good next year and the dropoff will be pretty fast. Not worth the price of admission. He'd still be the 2nd best player on the team next year. Probably the best in the playoffs......
June 13Jun 13 Just now, Patrick Bateman said: Also..... it looks like the Giannis trade action is going to be a bust. Fine with this, too. This is Wemby's team.
June 13Jun 13 A Houston trade for KD makes sense as it’s Texas and the Rockets have their future picks.
June 13Jun 13 The Suns will try to fleece the Rockets, best I can do is the 14th pick, Keldon Johnson and Devin Vassell Edited June 13Jun 13 by Michael Knight
June 13Jun 13 Hopefully Devin, after seeing his name in every single trade scenario, comes back next season and has an incredible year.
June 14Jun 14 12 hours ago, Kermit said: Hopefully Devin, after seeing his name in every single trade scenario, comes back next season and has an incredible year. He won’t.
June 14Jun 14 Apparently Phoenix was wanting either Castle or the #2 for KD. In case anyone was wondering whether that front office was still delusional or not.
June 15Jun 15 22 hours ago, ztejas said: Apparently Phoenix was wanting either Castle or the #2 for KD. In case anyone was wondering whether that front office was still delusional or not. Frankly, while they have leverage, this isn't a crazy ask. Multiple suitors on the board, KD doesn't seem to want to leverage them right now, so while they know we'll probably say no, we know they'll get a better offer than Vassell and stuff. If KD is interested in winning another ship, he absolutely should be telling Phoenix and other teams where he wants to go and that he won't sign an extension with certain teams. This would reduce the package needed to trade for him and leave the acquiring team with a better roster. He's only hurting his chances by staying out of it.... Edited June 15Jun 15 by Patrick Bateman
June 15Jun 15 I want nothing to do with KD. I’d much rather build through the draft and have a young core that can contend for 10 years.
June 15Jun 15 I’d love to add KD to the team, but not at any substantial cost. He’s not going to move the championship needle on this team, and dude is in the downside of a great career. They’d make the playoffs though, provided he stays healthy. Dude needs to go to a team where he’s the second to third option on offense and has to carry zero load on defense. I hope he gets that.
June 15Jun 15 1 hour ago, Hate said: I’d much rather build through the draft and have a young core that can contend for 10 years. We are doing that either way. Adding KD would be a nice way to dump a couple contracts of someone dispensable like DV or KJ or both. But I wouldn't want to give him a max extension. If he's cool with like 2 for 60ish and you don't have to give up too many picks or even someone like Sochan I think you pull the trigger.
June 15Jun 15 3 minutes ago, ztejas said: We are doing that either way. Adding KD would be a nice way to dump a couple contracts of someone dispensable like DV or KJ or both. But I wouldn't want to give him a max extension. If he's cool with like 2 for 60ish and you don't have to give up too many picks or even someone like Sochan I think you pull the trigger. I don’t want to lose Sochan. Not even for Durant. I have fallen for the off-season shooting videos.
June 15Jun 15 The Bane trade package makes me not want to even try the KD trade market. 4 FRPs, a swap, and two contributing players? I can hope that the suns realize he's 37 and entering his twilight, but obvs they'll try to say he's worth more than Bane....... No thanks.
June 15Jun 15 2 minutes ago, BurdineBandit said: The Bane trade package makes me not want to even try the KD trade market. 4 FRPs, a swap, and two contributing players? I can hope that the suns realize he's 37 and entering his twilight, but obvs they'll try to say he's worth more than Bane....... No thanks. That's not really how that works. Bane is under contract for next season and 3 more after that at a pretty good price. KD is on an expiring. Phoenix has to trade him - they don't really get to name their price in the same way. The best they can do is get teams bidding against each other, but the Spurs/Heat/Rockets are all smart FOs that are going to be more than willing to wait Phoenix out. Even Minny is a pretty well run team. Also - Memphis didn't really get any players back worth a shit - which is why it was a little pick heavy. KCP is on the wrong side of 30 and Cole Anthony is a guy that's basically unplayable in a playoff series. Devin Vassell, for example, is a much better asset than either of those guys and worth a first rounder or two just by himself. I mean shit I'd probably rather have KJ's contract than KCP's. Not that I'd want to pay $20M for either of them.
June 16Jun 16 8 hours ago, Kermit said: I don’t want to lose Sochan. Not even for Durant. I have fallen for the off-season shooting videos. Here's the thing..... Sochan will never be anywhere as good as KD, even a 37 year old KD. His upside is really good glue and energy guy with some defensive stopper side to him. Like a bankrupt Draymond Green. The advantage to keeping him is if his mindset is right (and thus far it hasn't been) is he won't need many shots or USG and his price. But right now, Jeremy Sochan isn't a very good player. He's a good talent and we all hope he takes the next step forward but he doesn't do anything well. He doesn't rebound enough or play on the ball defense enough to reach to good levels. He shot better this year but he's still a dismal 3 point shooter. Doesn't block shots or control the paint. Doesn't create extra possessions by causing turnovers or stealing the ball. Basically, he's just potential and it feels like the Spurs haven't really known what to do with him. I think it's easy..... Rodman with a 3 point shot should be the goal. He'll never be that good on the defensive end or on the boards, but that should be the goal and he's not really in the same state yet, so let's not mention neighborhood. So, while I get it, let's try not to suffer too much from foundation bias. It happens to me too, so again, I totally understand but there is a real possibility that 6 or 7 years of Sochan never delivers as much VORP or WS as 3 years of KD at this age. But it's the money, man..... it's the money. KD takes up so much room that your either can't give up as much as Phoenix apparently wants or his extension would have to be a self-aware hometown discount. Something around 2 for 70m or something. You basically give KD 65 games during the reg season and pray he's healthy and has his legs for a deep playoff run. Again, all of that said, I think we get outbid by quite a bit.
June 16Jun 16 What am I missing re: Durant? Wasn’t Phoenix better before he got there? His teams were swept in the first round in 2022, swept in the first round in 2023, swept in the first round in 2024, and missed the playoffs entirely in 2025. Yet he’s supposed to come here and teach our young guys how to win? I’m not in love with Vassell’s or Sochan’s games, but they seem to be held in fairly high regard in NBA circles. I’m fine with trading them, but bring back a dude who’ll contribute to a real playoff run.
June 16Jun 16 I hope KD comes to the Spurs just to piss off all the haters. He would immediately be the second best player on the team.
June 16Jun 16 30 minutes ago, Bolero88 said: I hope KD comes to the Spurs just to piss off all the haters. He would immediately be the second best player on the team. Yeah too bad the team would be shit because he's a team killer
June 16Jun 16 1 hour ago, Welch said: What am I missing re: Durant? Wasn’t Phoenix better before he got there? His teams were swept in the first round in 2022, swept in the first round in 2023, swept in the first round in 2024, and missed the playoffs entirely in 2025. Yet he’s supposed to come here and teach our young guys how to win? I’m not in love with Vassell’s or Sochan’s games, but they seem to be held in fairly high regard in NBA circles. I’m fine with trading them, but bring back a dude who’ll contribute to a real playoff run. Are you 12 years old?
June 16Jun 16 Quote As per Sports Illustrated's Shadab Khan, the Spurs presented a counteroffer to the Suns for Durant. The trade package featured Devin Vassell, Harrison Barnes, the No. 14 pick, and second-round draft capital. https://sports.yahoo.com/article/suns-reject-spurs-counteroffer-kevin-082856479.html?guccounter=1
June 16Jun 16 2 hours ago, Michael Knight said: https://sports.yahoo.com/article/suns-reject-spurs-counteroffer-kevin-082856479.html?guccounter=1 One more future 1st rounder would be tolerable, imo. If that doesn't get it done. Walk away. Sucks that the Spurs and Suns front offices aren't on this thread so they could see how worthless Sochan is.
June 16Jun 16 This is a really really bad idea. This is Wemby’s team and I fell that Durant will stunt that growth.
June 16Jun 16 2 hours ago, Michael Knight said: https://sports.yahoo.com/article/suns-reject-spurs-counteroffer-kevin-082856479.html?guccounter=1 That's a pretty good offer. They may want Keldon too, but it's probably more than I would have offered. I wouldn't increase it by much more.
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