October 1, 20241 yr 1 hour ago, Don Johnson said: If anyone watched the Pete Rose doc on HBO, after episode 1, you're like "loved the player, but not a great guy." After episodes 2, 3 and 4, you're like "this guy was a huge a piece of shit and is still a huge piece of shit." And I 100% believe he bet against the Reds. And even if he didn't, betting on them to win is bad enough. As a player, betting on your team to win would eventually be forgivable. As a manager, absolutely unforgiveable. Or in the ladies room with the alternates. The other interesting item from that documentary was that the whole “hustle” thing wasn’t a bit. His brain was truly wired that way, right or wrong. It makes sense when you see that he was fundamentally an addict.
October 1, 20241 yr 2 hours ago, Don Johnson said: As a player, betting on your team to win would eventually be forgivable. As a manager, absolutely unforgiveable. Wait, what am I missing here? Honestly asking cause it’s been a long ass few weeks and work stress sucks but not seeing the distinction between the player or coach. Aren’t both in a way always “betting” on their team to win by playing for their team? Side note, not forgiving Pete Rose, but I only know he bet on his games, not any of the nitty gritty details.
October 1, 20241 yr 18 hours ago, 'stache said: RIP. I'm pretty indifferent about the HOF. If they let him in posthumously I think it's obviously well deserved. If not, he broke a pretty important rule and I think the decision is justified. I always had the sense that the gambling thing was even more important at the time because of the mob's monopoly on gambling in most major cities.
October 1, 20241 yr Should have been enshrined in the HOF as long as he was out of baseball. Wherever he's headed now he's probably sliding in face first into Ty Cobb's spikes.
October 1, 20241 yr 12 minutes ago, achooloco said: Wait, what am I missing here? Honestly asking cause it’s been a long ass few weeks and work stress sucks but not seeing the distinction between the player or coach. Aren’t both in a way always “betting” on their team to win by playing for their team? Side note, not forgiving Pete Rose, but I only know he bet on his games, not any of the nitty gritty details. The player doesn't manage the bullpen, for one.
October 1, 20241 yr The only advantage you get by betting on your own team is if you intentionally lose or shave points. I find it implausible after he finally admitted to betting on games he's managing that it was for his team to win. He had to have been betting against them and tinkering just enough to ensure he wins the bets.
October 1, 20241 yr 20 minutes ago, achooloco said: Wait, what am I missing here? Honestly asking cause it’s been a long ass few weeks and work stress sucks but not seeing the distinction between the player or coach. Aren’t both in a way always “betting” on their team to win by playing for their team? Side note, not forgiving Pete Rose, but I only know he bet on his games, not any of the nitty gritty details. A player who bets on his team is just going to play hard. A manager could make numerous decisions that help his team in the short term (that game) but hurt his team and players in the long term. Pitching guys on short rest, playing guys when they need a day off, using up 3 games worth of bullpen to win a game. Basically treating the one game he has money on as if it is a must win game off an NCAA regional.
October 1, 20241 yr 17 hours ago, Atlas said: Because if you asked any fanbase or ownership if they would take that punishment for a title, I think they would all agree. I could be wrong, but outside of two or three, I doubt it. A $25m fine is a joke after winning a title for any baseball team. GM/Manager? Astros seem fine? Draft picks? Astros seem fine. What’s a joke is that the Astros were the only team punished when there is a report on the commissioner’s desk that shows at least the Yankees and Red Sox were doing the same things only using a different system. RIP Pete Rose…a staple of my sports youth, but a world class prick.
October 1, 20241 yr If Pete Rose was in debt to his bookies, it’s very plausible they forced him to throw games. He should have been banned and should remain banned. Can you really take his word that he only bet on them to win?
October 1, 20241 yr 2 hours ago, Don Johnson said: A player who bets on his team is just going to play hard. A manager could make numerous decisions that help his team in the short term (that game) but hurt his team and players in the long term. Pitching guys on short rest, playing guys when they need a day off, using up 3 games worth of bullpen to win a game. Basically treating the one game he has money on as if it is a must win game off an NCAA regional. Additionally, games he didn't bet on were a huge tell to his bookie.
October 1, 20241 yr Pete rose would do anything for money, as the wwe gif clearly demonstrates. And he asks us to believe he wouldn’t bet against his team or steer a game to eliminate some debt?
October 1, 20241 yr 1 hour ago, Underdog said: Go on... Whatever floats your boat, brother... Spoiler pete rose.mp4
October 1, 20241 yr 1 hour ago, Macanudo said: Additionally, games he didn't bet on were a huge tell to his bookie. 1000% this. I could posrep this all day....
October 1, 20241 yr 1 hour ago, Beau Vine said: Whatever floats your boat, brother... Hide contents pete rose.mp4 2.22 MB · 0 downloads Sir, shaming isn't allowed in the shaming of Pete Rose thread.
October 2, 20241 yr Listening to Johnny Bench being interviewed by Dan Patrick. He said Selig gave Pete some parameters for reinstatement and Pete didn’t follow through
October 2, 20241 yr 4 hours ago, Macanudo said: Additionally, games he didn't bet on were a huge tell to his bookie. Correct. 1. He’s likely not betting on his team if Doc Gooden or Mike Scott were on the mound. In fact he may be more willing to sit guys or save guys. 2. Hypothetical. Reds are down 8-3 in the 6th. Opponent has two risp. Does he bring in a different reliever on just say. “Screw it I’ll save him for tomorrow.”
October 2, 20241 yr 1 hour ago, closetohumping said: Listening to Johnny Bench being interviewed by Dan Patrick. He said Selig gave Pete some parameters for reinstatement and Pete didn’t follow through
October 2, 20241 yr 6 hours ago, closetohumping said: Listening to Johnny Bench being interviewed by Dan Patrick. He said Selig gave Pete some parameters for reinstatement and Pete didn’t follow through he had his chances
October 2, 20241 yr 19 hours ago, Don Johnson said: A player who bets on his team is just going to play hard. A manager could make numerous decisions that help his team in the short term (that game) but hurt his team and players in the long term. Pitching guys on short rest, playing guys when they need a day off, using up 3 games worth of bullpen to win a game. Basically treating the one game he has money on as if it is a must win game off an NCAA regional. 19 hours ago, Beau Vine said: The player doesn't manage the bullpen, for one. Ah, gotcha. Hadn’t considered the bullpen and those nuances. Thanks for the clarifications.
October 2, 20241 yr The catcher who tipped pitches to get the season over. The manager at Alabama who had a friend make bets. It's still a problem so clearly people did not learn from what Pete Rose did.
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