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#851
7 minutes ago, Mitch Hedberg said:
According to AL folks I trust, it will be a surprise if the Astros don’t trade Kyle Tucker within 48 hours. The Cubs appear like clear favorites. Until a deal is done, keep an eye on the Yankees, but Cubs were better positioned.Still waiting on other sources to call back.

 

First off, I appreciate you feeding my news addiction.  
 

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#852
23 minutes ago, Mitch Hedberg said:
According to AL folks I trust, it will be a surprise if the Astros don’t trade Kyle Tucker within 48 hours. The Cubs appear like clear favorites. Until a deal is done, keep an eye on the Yankees, but Cubs were better positioned.Still waiting on other sources to call back.

 

Fucking Ortiz is worthless. Expect it to not happen and if it does not be cubs or yanks. 

#853

Seems like people are missing one important variable in a trade involving Tucker.  If you don't trade him, you get him for a season. It's not like we get nothing if we don't trade him.  We get a season of him playing on our team.  I do worry about the future, but the way this shit cycles, there's no way to keep a window open forever. Frankly, it's a miracle ours has stayed open this long.  While your window is open you are either a holder or a buyer.  Buying free agents with huge contracts is not the way.  You just simply cannot pay your way out of your window closing due to aging and regression. Keep Tucker, let him walk next year.  Let Bregman walk. Don't trade Framber.  Win the whole fucking thing in 2025. When the window is actually closing, unload every player with value for prospects (except Altuve), lose a fuckton of games and get several years of high draft picks and build it back up from there.

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#854
19 minutes ago, LCHorn said:

First off, I appreciate you feeding my news addiction.  
 

Other hand, you deserve permaban for posting something from that moron.

Duly noted and understood. I had reservations myself. 

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#855
11 minutes ago, Ojo Rojo said:

Seems like people are missing one important variable in a trade involving Tucker.  If you don't trade him, you get him for a season. It's not like we get nothing if we don't trade him.  We get a season of him playing on our team.  I do worry about the future, but the way this shit cycles, there's no way to keep a window open forever. Frankly, it's a miracle ours has stayed open this long.  While your window is open you are either a holder or a buyer.  Buying free agents with huge contracts is not the way.  You just simply cannot pay your way out of your window closing due to aging and regression. Keep Tucker, let him walk next year.  Let Bregman walk. Don't trade Framber.  Win the whole fucking thing in 2025. When the window is actually closing, unload every player with value for prospects (except Altuve), lose a fuckton of games and get several years of high draft picks and build it back up from there.

I don’t hate this idea either. 
you can even jump start a rebuild with cash ala the Mets when you decide to trade away assets. 
Hader 3/60 could get dealt for not much. Hader +40M gets you a couple top 100 prospects. Rinse and repeat as a for example. It doesn’t have to be as bleak as it was last time. If you take your shot now and fail and then decide you have to pull the cord because you aren’t good enough. 

#856
33 minutes ago, Ojo Rojo said:

Keep Tucker, let him walk next year.  Let Bregman walk

If we’re going all in on ‘25 we have to resign Bregman and anyone else that can add wins to this team.  

#857
1 hour ago, Ojo Rojo said:

Seems like people are missing one important variable in a trade involving Tucker.  If you don't trade him, you get him for a season. It's not like we get nothing if we don't trade him.  We get a season of him playing on our team.  I do worry about the future, but the way this shit cycles, there's no way to keep a window open forever. Frankly, it's a miracle ours has stayed open this long.  While your window is open you are either a holder or a buyer.  Buying free agents with huge contracts is not the way.  You just simply cannot pay your way out of your window closing due to aging and regression. Keep Tucker, let him walk next year.  Let Bregman walk. Don't trade Framber.  Win the whole fucking thing in 2025. When the window is actually closing, unload every player with value for prospects (except Altuve), lose a fuckton of games and get several years of high draft picks and build it back up from there.

This team has too many holes to win in 2025 even with Bregman, Tucker, and Framber. Resgining Bregman and keeping Tucker and Framber also mean that the window shuts after 2025 for a long fucking period, i.e. the end of Altuve and Bregman's contract while also watching Alvarez, Brown, and Abreu leave when their team control is over.

I am sure Luhnow had a plan, but we are now on GM #2 since him and the owner if fucking meddling too much to see the forest through the trees.

Correa and Springer should have been traded for prospects just like they were doing with Tucker and Framber when it was clear their money demands where going to be more than what the Astros were willing to pay.

#859
14 minutes ago, HtownHorn said:

This team has too many holes to win in 2025 even with Bregman, Tucker, and Framber. Resgining Bregman and keeping Tucker and Framber also mean that the window shuts after 2025 for a long fucking period, i.e. the end of Altuve and Bregman's contract while also watching Alvarez, Brown, and Abreu leave when their team control is over.

I am sure Luhnow had a plan, but we are now on GM #2 since him and the owner if fucking meddling too much to see the forest through the trees.

Correa and Springer should have been traded for prospects just like they were doing with Tucker and Framber when it was clear their money demands where going to be more than what the Astros were willing to pay.

You just have to get to the playoffs; then anything can happen.  Last season was fucked by injuries and weirdness.  This team still fucks, even without Bregman.  If all of our pitchers stay healthy then we have a chance to have the best staff in MLB.  You either buy, sell or hold.  Crane doesn't give out long, huge contracts. By and large, Crane holds. I don't disagree with that approach.  Extend your guys early, let your too expensive soon-to-be-old players walk, build the farm, add free agent pieces. It can work.

#860
50 minutes ago, LCHorn said:

If we’re going all in on ‘25 we have to resign Bregman and anyone else that can add wins to this team.  

Nah. Bregman has typically started slow.  Next season we would know if we're buying or selling (or holding) by the time Bregman would have gotten his head out of his ass.  Pick up a good 3B before the deadline if Whitcomb ain't it if we're a playoff team.

#861
24 minutes ago, Ojo Rojo said:

You just have to get to the playoffs; then anything can happen.  Last season was fucked by injuries and weirdness.  This team still fucks, even without Bregman.  If all of our pitchers stay healthy then we have a chance to have the best staff in MLB.  You either buy, sell or hold.  Crane doesn't give out long, huge contracts. By and large, Crane holds. I don't disagree with that approach.  Extend your guys early, let your too expensive soon-to-be-old players walk, build the farm, add free agent pieces. It can work.

This team kind of sucked last season and struggled all year on offense and defense. The stress on the staff from always being in a close game also wore them out by the end of the year.
 

Our MVP was our division’s ineptitude 

#862
9 minutes ago, ChickenSandwich said:

This team kind of sucked last season and struggled all year on offense and defense. The stress on the staff from always being in a close game also wore them out by the end of the year.
 

Our MVP was our division’s ineptitude 

 

tucker’s injury 

losing multiple good pitchers 

1st, LF and CF were dead ends 

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#863
48 minutes ago, Ojo Rojo said:

You just have to get to the playoffs; then anything can happen.  Last season was fucked by injuries and weirdness.  This team still fucks, even without Bregman.  If all of our pitchers stay healthy then we have a chance to have the best staff in MLB.  You either buy, sell or hold.  Crane doesn't give out long, huge contracts. By and large, Crane holds. I don't disagree with that approach.  Extend your guys early, let your too expensive soon-to-be-old players walk, build the farm, add free agent pieces. It can work.

It can. We’ve done a shitty job of extending our young guys early. I hope that changes. 

#864
9 minutes ago, Wulaw Horn said:

It can. We’ve done a shitty job of extending our young guys early. I hope that changes. 

You mean besides Altuve, Bregman, Alvarez, Javier, and McCullers?

#865
22 minutes ago, tx 3 putt said:

 

tucker’s injury 

losing multiple good pitchers 

1st, LF and CF were dead ends 

Even with Tucker healthy, you can't go into a season with Singleton, McCormick, and Meyers taking up 33% of your everyday lineup. That just isn't sustainable.

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#867
1 hour ago, ChickenSandwich said:

This team kind of sucked last season and struggled all year on offense and defense. The stress on the staff from always being in a close game also wore them out by the end of the year.
 

Our MVP was our division’s ineptitude 

I think we finished in the top 5 in MLB in ERA and that was after a terrible start to the season, pitching-wise.

Offensively, Bregman's slow start contributed to the poor first half record.  You don't have to, and can't expect, all stars 1-9 in the lineup. Meyers was ok. Singleton was ok. Chaz had a terrible year. Ideally we need one more quality bat at either LF or 1B.

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#868
11 hours ago, David Dennison said:

You mean besides Altuve, Bregman, Alvarez, Javier, and McCullers?

Fair. We didn’t extend any of them early where we get all of their prime on 1 deal like the Braves, rays, Mariners and some others have done. They were all half measures with a couple years bought out, a couple years from FA. Risk adverse stuff from the club. We got Altuve entire prime because we extended him 3 times I think- but the others all went once and half measures. But, that is minimizing the fact that we did have some guys not walk along with those that did. 

#869

Astros currently have the 5th best projected roster in the league.  6th best offense, 9th best pitching staff.  They are favored to win their division by 3 games.  Their team is still very good.  I think the vast majority of fans way underestimate how much impact the pitching injuries had.  They had 7 SP on the IL at one point and still won their division.  They also had the most negative impact player in the league in their lineup most days for a third of the season (Abreu).

The 2017 team won the goddam World Series with Mike fuckin Fiers leading the team in innings, Brad Peacock the #4 SP, and the corpse of Carlos Beltran getting 500 plate appearances.  The roster doesn’t have to be 2019-level to be a contender.

A total rebuild like what was done in 2011-2014 is not possible these days because of rules changes and how other teams are run.  Theres a draft lottery that makes it nigh impossible for a team to get 3 straight #1 picks.  Almost every team manipulates their draft pool to try to get overslot signings in later rounds (the Astros were the first to really do it in 2012).

Houstons best bet is to try to win as much as they can while Altuve and Alvarez are still productive.  They are going to have to rely on Dana Brown to draft/scout/develop their way to contention after 2025.  But this offseason they are in a good spot.  Shopping Tucker and Framber is them following the market.  If they can trade away a 4 win player (with 1 year left) and release a 0.5 win player to add a 3 win player (with 4 years left), a 3 win player (with 2 years left), and an elite prospect, that’s a good move for both 2025 and beyond.  And that’s the kind of package the Astros should be demanding.  If Houston ends up trading Tucker for a middling package like Gil and Rice alone, that’s not a good move.  But if they get something like Suzuki, Paredes, and Shaw, that’s a home run move.

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#873
49 minutes ago, Snake Diggity said:

Astros currently have the 5th best projected roster in the league.  6th best offense, 9th best pitching staff.  They are favored to win their division by 3 games.  Their team is still very good.  I think the vast majority of fans way underestimate how much impact the pitching injuries had.  They had 7 SP on the IL at one point and still won their division.  They also had the most negative impact player in the league in their lineup most days for a third of the season (Abreu).

The 2017 team won the goddam World Series with Mike fuckin Fiers leading the team in innings, Brad Peacock the #4 SP, and the corpse of Carlos Beltran getting 500 plate appearances.  The roster doesn’t have to be 2019-level to be a contender.

A total rebuild like what was done in 2011-2014 is not possible these days because of rules changes and how other teams are run.  Theres a draft lottery that makes it nigh impossible for a team to get 3 straight #1 picks.  Almost every team manipulates their draft pool to try to get overslot signings in later rounds (the Astros were the first to really do it in 2012).

Houstons best bet is to try to win as much as they can while Altuve and Alvarez are still productive.  They are going to have to rely on Dana Brown to draft/scout/develop their way to contention after 2025.  But this offseason they are in a good spot.  Shopping Tucker and Framber is them following the market.  If they can trade away a 4 win player (with 1 year left) and release a 0.5 win player to add a 3 win player (with 4 years left), a 3 win player (with 2 years left), and an elite prospect, that’s a good move for both 2025 and beyond.  And that’s the kind of package the Astros should be demanding.  If Houston ends up trading Tucker for a middling package like Gil and Rice alone, that’s not a good move.  But if they get something like Suzuki, Paredes, and Shaw, that’s a home run move.

Calling Tucker a 4 win player sort of minimizes him- he’s more like a 6 war player based upon track record and where he’s at in the aging curve (dead ass prime) next year (if healthy- which he always has been absent freak occurrence last year) with probably a chance to have an mvp type season. Sucks for him that last year might have been his mvp type career season (almost 5 war while missing half the season) but he gapped to get hurt. 
all that said- completely agree with your take. 

#874
8 minutes ago, Bevo&Pevo said:

Uh...what are the odds of Altuve staying healthy? 

He has been healthy for 90%+ of the past 4 seasons except for getting hit on the hand so I would say pretty fucking high 

#875
47 minutes ago, Wulaw Horn said:

Calling Tucker a 4 win player sort of minimizes him- he’s more like a 6 war player based upon track record and where he’s at in the aging curve (dead ass prime) next year (if healthy- which he always has been absent freak occurrence last year) with probably a chance to have an mvp type season. Sucks for him that last year might have been his mvp type career season (almost 5 war while missing half the season) but he gapped to get hurt. 
all that said- completely agree with your take. 

Meh.  He was worth 4.2 fwar last season.  Whether he’s a 4 win player or a 5 win player, it doesn’t affect my point.

#876
35 minutes ago, Snake Diggity said:

Meh.  He was worth 4.2 fwar last season.  Whether he’s a 4 win player or a 5 win player, it doesn’t affect my point.

You're both right - Tucker's 162 game average is nearly 6 and that's what Wulaw is referring to I'd bet.

Overall the bigger picture is we're losing two 6 WAR players in the next two years (Bregman this year; Tucker the next) so getting something for Tucker right now makes a lot of sense IMHO. 

Just as long as Bagwell is as far away as possible from the transaction.

#878
5 minutes ago, Scraps said:

Sounding more and more like Cubs soon.

Paredes and Cam Smith main guys

I’m underwhelmed if that’s the big pieces.  

#879

Yankees wouldn't give up Gil so that nixed them.  Bellinger is also in the Cubs package, but the Astros want the Cubs to eat part of his salary.  Suzuki was also talked about, but rumors he wouldn't waive his no-trade clause.  They didn't like the Phillies package which included Bohm and Castellanos.

 

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#880
Cubs circling on deal that would send Paredes and Cam Smith to Houston for Kyle Tucker.If completed,it would leave Yankees without Left handed bat (enter Bellinger) to slot in for Juan Soto. So Cubs and Yanks both in on Tucker and also talking to each other.

 

#881
I think they are waiting on the Cubs. I find the Cubs part in this interesting bc they are trying to trade Bellinger and acquire Tucker at the same time. And the Cubs have a great pile of minor leaguers. But like the Red Sox w/Crochet—Cubs are not going to spend their top chips. At least not yet.

 

#883
3 minutes ago, UTPhil2006 said:

Where's Suzuki 

https://www.bleachernation.com/cubs/2024/12/13/kyle-tucker-cubs-rumor/

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(2) The rumored return for Kyle Tucker has pretty much always included Isaac Paredes (who’s a natural fit at that ballpark and would replace the exiting Alex Bregman), but has been a little murky thereafter. For example, are the Cubs seriously considering including Seiya Suzki (I extremely doubt it)? Would the Astros accept someone other than Matt Shaw (they better)? And, indeed, Cam Smith’s name has come up previously, though the Cubs had seemed reluctant.

Suffice it to say, Paredes + Smith strikes me as a steep (for the Cubs), but certainly fair (for the Astros) return for Kyle Tucker. So the fact that Levine specifically mentioned that as the deal makes me feel like the progress made was the following compromise: No, you can’t have Suzuki. But fine, we’ll include Smith. Or to put that even more plainly, if the Cubs are willing to do Paredes + Smith, I think that should be enough to get it done.

 

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#886
1 hour ago, Snake Diggity said:

Meh.  He was worth 4.2 fwar last season.  Whether he’s a 4 win player or a 5 win player, it doesn’t affect my point.

4.7 on BR in 78 games man. Calling that a 4 win player just isn’t accurate characterization of him. He’s really likely to be a 6 war player in his 1 year under club control. As I said- I agree with your valuation completely.

#887
25 minutes ago, Snake Diggity said:

Paredes and Smith to me is not enough.  Needs to include Suzuki or Bellinger (with Cubs eating some $) or another good prospect.

Or a three team, where the Cubs are getting prospects from the Yankees for Bellinger and sending them to us.

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#889
1 minute ago, David Dennison said:

Does anyone here think Kyle Tucker plays for the Astros in 2025?

Nope

#891
4 minutes ago, David Dennison said:

Does anyone here think Kyle Tucker plays for the Astros in 2025?

Me. Win in 2025.  If not happening, sell him at the deadline.

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#892
32 minutes ago, David Dennison said:

Does anyone here think Kyle Tucker plays for the Astros in 2025?

I sort of do. It’s sort of the worst of all worlds (Bregman gone, pitching gone some, team worse and then Tucker leaving for nothing). So, it’s my fear and expectation I guess. 

#893

everyone is waiting for Bregman to make up his fucking mind. once he does things should happen quickly. 

#894

I think it is the opposite.  We need to make up our mind if we are trading Tucker or not.  That is probably holding up any signing of Bregman with the Astros.....which in turn is holding up him signing anywhere until he can eliminate the Astros fully.  

Edited by Scraps

#895
Bowden & Phillips on MLB Radio"Astros are waiting on Bregman before they move Tucker, they like Gil over the Cubs package but Cash has not offered him, Cash would trade him and sign Walker Buehler who they have interest in"

 

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#896
32 minutes ago, The Dog said:
Bowden & Phillips on MLB Radio"Astros are waiting on Bregman before they move Tucker, they like Gil over the Cubs package but Cash has not offered him, Cash would trade him and sign Walker Buehler who they have interest in"

 

Bowden is the gm version (fucking moron) of Ortiz. 

#897

making moves ….

Cuban RHP Robier Hernandez (17) officially signed with the Houston Astros. Bonus deal: $170,000. Cuban National team member in U-15 World Cup 2022. Great athlete with starting pitcher potential, 6'4, good arm and fastball in 91-94 MPH.

 

#898

Morosi 5 mins ago


Kyle Tucker trade talks between Cubs and Astros have continued to gain momentum, sources confirm. @MLBNetwork
#899
I think the Kyle Tucker return helps the Houston Astros cover their tracks if Alex Bregman leaves. If he's gone, Isaac Paredes can start immediately at 3B & have Shay Whitcomb & Cam Smith will compete for the job long term. If he stays, Paredes at 1B and shift Smith into a RF role.

 

#900

Cubs close to acquiring Kyle Tucker from the Astros for a package led by IF Isaac Paredes. RHP Hayden Wesneski and 3B prospect Cam Smith also in play, sources tell @TheAthletic.

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