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They won't run a female other than maybe Ivanka anytime soon.

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5 minutes ago, DaysOff said:


Deep down you all know our first female president will be a Republican. It's what Jesus wants.

She approves of this message.

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She approves of this message.

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She loves her some cox.

22 minutes ago, DaysOff said:


Deep down you all know our first female president will be a Republican. It's what Jesus wants.

This is the safest bet in politics.

37 minutes ago, crash_davis said:

Dipshit magats are a fucking caricature of themselves. They look exactly like we think they would look. Uneducated, racists dipshits. The only thing we're missing from the video is a fat, bald, goatee dipshit wearing Nascar sunglasses. 

How it started.

 

How it ended.

 

This is what this thread was made for. Schadenfreude. Delicious schadenfreude.

5 hours ago, Thatguy said:

No disrespect but I don't understand Hispanics. Black people have skepticism built into our DNA for obvious reasons, but Hispanics keep going working the "white adjacent" thing ad nauseam, despite being burned time and time again. When it comes down to it they will be on the outside looking in just like everyone else. 

For a lot of reasons, but I think the there are two main ones:

1) There is no common history, cultural or ethnic background between groups of  Hispanics. Most have a Spanish derived last name and know some Spanish, but many don’t even have that.  “Hispanic” is a description of a group that isn’t a group. 
 

2) To the extent there is a common thread, it is that a large number are in the United States because an ancestor wanted what what white Americans have - land and opportunity. 

Hispanics have a lot more in common with Irish Americans than they do with American blacks, and are following a similar pattern. 

1 hour ago, WhatTheBuck said:

Yeah, my dad passed in 2014 and I’m glad he was spared the Trump turn taken by his Republican Party. I generally avoided politics with my family but that’s over with Trump. You can’t defend yourself any longer so I’m ruthless. No decent person supports Trump and if you support him then the only thing any Democrat ever did that bothered you was having “(D)” next to their name on the ballot (or being black).

I don’t agree. Lots of extremely decent people support Trump. They are just trapped in a feedback loop of community and propaganda that is very difficult to penetrate.  

3 minutes ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

1) There is no common history, cultural or ethnic background between groups of  Hispanics. Most have a Spanish derived last name and know some Spanish, but many don’t even have that.  “Hispanic” is a description of a group that isn’t a group. 
 

Foxnews disagrees

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4 minutes ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

Hispanics have a lot more in common with Irish Americans than they do with American blacks, and are following a similar pattern. 

...yes....but also no, because of a couple of key differences.

(1) Once the Irish "integrated" into American society, it was pretty much a done-deal.  There was no REsurgence in anti-Irish sentiment.  Once the initial hatred subsided, it wasn't really a factor any longer.  Hispanics, on the other hand, are finding themselves back in the Juan Crow barrel in full.  We are public enemy #1, with the president and his admin literally saying it's okay to hunt them down in the streets based solely on their ethnicity (see Tom Homan's open admission of that fact).

(2) The phenomenon of (1) may be in large part because of skin color.  The majority of hispanics...look hispanic.  Just like the majority of Irish look like....regular white folk (they ain't all redheaded leprechauns, very few are, actually).  It's easy to treat Irish like "real Americans," because they look like what a "real American" should look like.  Brown-skinned hispanics, on the other hand....well, they's different, ya know?  Sure, some of them can pass as white (yours truly included -- which has given me an interesting perspective, as I've been in rooms where people didn't realize I'm hispanic, and have said some truly loathsome shit), but most of them appear hispanic on immediate visual inspection.

Humans love to sort other humans that way.  Black people are ALWAYS going to be behind that 8-ball here.  And so are hispanics.  The fact that a shitload of us are too hopeful/dumb to realize that is its own tragedy.  MAGA America actually hates us, for what we are -- or rather, for what we aren't: good, white, pureblood "real Americans."  Our presence here is "poisoning the blood of our country" (their godking's exact words).

Should hispanic voters think of Dems as their friends?  Maybe, maybe not.  Should they think of MAGAs (which is the entire GQP now) as their mortal enemies?  Fuck yes they should.  They are never, ever, ever going to think of us as real Americans.  We are the enemy to them, even if they treat us momentarily as an ally of convenience.

11 minutes ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

For a lot of reasons, but I think the there are two main ones:

1) There is no common history, cultural or ethnic background between groups of  Hispanics. Most have a Spanish derived last name and know some Spanish, but many don’t even have that.  “Hispanic” is a description of a group that isn’t a group. 
 

2) To the extent there is a common thread, it is that a large number are in the United States because an ancestor wanted what what white Americans have - land and opportunity. 

Hispanics have a lot more in common with Irish Americans than they do with American blacks, and are following a similar pattern. 

I don’t agree. Lots of extremely decent people support Trump. They are just trapped in a feedback loop of community and propaganda that is very difficult to penetrate.  

I hate to break it to “Hispanics” but white trumpers don’t view you as peers.  You’re lumped in with the blacks and orentals

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12 minutes ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

I don’t agree. Lots of extremely decent people support Trump. They are just trapped in a feedback loop of community and propaganda that is very difficult to penetrate.  

False.  Quit using ignorance as an excuse for hate and evil.  Enough.  You choose evil, you are evil.  "A lot of extremely decent people supported the nazis.  They are just trapped in a feedback loop blah blah blah."  Fuck that.  You KNOW that demonization of the other for who they are is evil and wrong, and you embrace it.  You are evil and shit.

15 minutes ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

I don’t agree. Lots of extremely decent people support Trump. They are just trapped in a feedback loop of community and propaganda that is very difficult to penetrate.  

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27 minutes ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

I don’t agree. Lots of extremely decent people support Trump. They are just trapped in a feedback loop of community and propaganda that is very difficult to penetrate.  

Bullshit. They may seem decent to you because they perceive you as part of their in group. They support hateful policies against those they perceive as the “other” and so are not decent people. Don’t be fooled. 

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25 minutes ago, WhatTheBuck said:

Bullshit. They may seem decent to you because they perceive you as part of their in group. They support hateful policies against those they perceive as the “other” and so are not decent people. Don’t be fooled. 

I guarantee you that most of the people in this photo would have been characterized as "decent people" by their peers at the time.  The kind of folks who would bring over a meal unsolicited when a neighbor is sick.  Honest, hardworking folks.  Churchgoing.  All that stuff.

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Also, super happy to be at a lynching.

We're at the "so, other than being happy members of a lynch mob, they're really decent people" stage.  Enough.  Enough with the rationalizing, forgiving, etc.  The people in the photo above are evil scum.  In a just world, they would have been driven out of society altogether.  Their spiritual heirs today are no different.  Ya.  Basta.  Enough.

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1 hour ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

I don’t agree. Lots of extremely decent people support Trump. They are just trapped in a feedback loop of community and propaganda that is very difficult to penetrate.

And all the avowed segregationists who showed up to throw rocks at buses bringing black children to their school would show up every Sunday and teach Bible school and bring pound-cakes to shut-ins.  They would check on their white neighbors - and lend them a truck if theirs was temporarily broken down. IOW, “extremely decent” people.  If some uppity blacks were lynched for being uppity, those same people would not shed a tear, and they certainly wouldn’t turn in the Klan member neighbors who they thought participated.

Being decent to your own is not worth much if you’re not decent to everybody. And that is the simple truth.

Edit: I did not read the thread before I responded and so did not see the brisket post right above me

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5 hours ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

Now? ‘Twas ever thus.

My favorite stories from the 2008 campaign were the canvassers in Virginia and North Carolina reporting back about old white racists saying they planned to “vote for the n*gger.”

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On 8/14/2025 at 8:50 AM, mdmost said:

I think I shared before that one tiny upside to my father passing away in 2015 from lung cancer is he didn't live to this era. He was already going down the Fox News Obama is the worst thing ever rabbit hole. He definitely would've voted for Trump and probably gone full MAGA. We agreed to not talk about politics around each other and I'm glad he didn't become someone that I could no longer look up to. I'm glad I'm left with good memories of him before he died. I would hate to be in a situation to have to cut him off or dodge his calls and texts.

I wish I could say the same thing.  My dad has gone from a never Trumper in 2020 to a full blown supporter. In the last few weeks he has told me that he thinks Trump is a good man, that tariffs are a good thing for the economy and that gas in CA is $8/gallon because Newsome shut down the refineries. They believe so many things that are objectively false and easily disprovable with 2 min of Google searches.  But he sits at home, mainlining Fox News all day long and believes them over anything else.

Had dinner with him 2 nights ago because my youngest is going off to college.  It was such a strained conversation because all he wants to talk about is his dumb Fox News shit but he knows that I won't abide that. So we had several long, awkward silences as I tried to think of safe topics to discuss. And even then, he tried to slip some bullshit into the conversation a couple of times but stopped when it was immediately refuted.

I want the man who raised me back and I know he's gone forever.  He's 85 and has been fully consumed by the right wing propaganda machine.

2 hours ago, DaysOff said:


Deep down you all know our first female president will be a Republican. It's what Jesus wants.

/Near future:   "Ladies and Gentlemen, welcome to the podium, the next President of the United State....  Laura Loomer!"

1 hour ago, Brisketexan said:

... Humans love to sort other humans that way.  Black people are ALWAYS going to be behind that 8-ball here. 

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12 hours ago, Horn Dogg said:

They have been programmed by the church to believe that their purpose is to wash dishes and suck a mean dick.  You know, the whole umbrella thing.

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I don’t read minds. You support Trump, you are evil in my book. It may not be purposeful or malicious, but ignorant. You may live life with well meaning values, but if you support pain on innocents, what is the end value?

Dude facilitated a coup that everyone saw on live TV. We can forgive if people admit mistakes. But we wont forget.

2 hours ago, Brisketexan said:

...yes....but also no, because of a couple of key differences.

(1) Once the Irish "integrated" into American society, it was pretty much a done-deal.  There was no REsurgence in anti-Irish sentiment.  Once the initial hatred subsided, it wasn't really a factor any longer.  Hispanics, on the other hand, are finding themselves back in the Juan Crow barrel in full.  We are public enemy #1, with the president and his admin literally saying it's okay to hunt them down in the streets based solely on their ethnicity (see Tom Homan's open admission of that fact).

(2) The phenomenon of (1) may be in large part because of skin color.  The majority of hispanics...look hispanic.  Just like the majority of Irish look like....regular white folk (they ain't all redheaded leprechauns, very few are, actually).  It's easy to treat Irish like "real Americans," because they look like what a "real American" should look like.  Brown-skinned hispanics, on the other hand....well, they's different, ya know?  Sure, some of them can pass as white (yours truly included -- which has given me an interesting perspective, as I've been in rooms where people didn't realize I'm hispanic, and have said some truly loathsome shit), but most of them appear hispanic on immediate visual inspection.

Humans love to sort other humans that way.  Black people are ALWAYS going to be behind that 8-ball here.  And so are hispanics.  The fact that a shitload of us are too hopeful/dumb to realize that is its own tragedy.  MAGA America actually hates us, for what we are -- or rather, for what we aren't: good, white, pureblood "real Americans."  Our presence here is "poisoning the blood of our country" (their godking's exact words).

Should hispanic voters think of Dems as their friends?  Maybe, maybe not.  Should they think of MAGAs (which is the entire GQP now) as their mortal enemies?  Fuck yes they should.  They are never, ever, ever going to think of us as real Americans.  We are the enemy to them, even if they treat us momentarily as an ally of convenience.

Well, skin color, and the wave of Irish immigration mostly subsided, so there were no pikey caravans to shit on.

The Hispanics keep on coming, giving a fresh reason for nativist outrage.

2 hours ago, Brisketexan said:

...yes....but also no, because of a couple of key differences.

(1) Once the Irish "integrated" into American society, it was pretty much a done-deal.  There was no REsurgence in anti-Irish sentiment.  Once the initial hatred subsided, it wasn't really a factor any longer.  Hispanics, on the other hand, are finding themselves back in the Juan Crow barrel in full.  We are public enemy #1, with the president and his admin literally saying it's okay to hunt them down in the streets based solely on their ethnicity (see Tom Homan's open admission of that fact).

(2) The phenomenon of (1) may be in large part because of skin color.  The majority of hispanics...look hispanic.  Just like the majority of Irish look like....regular white folk (they ain't all redheaded leprechauns, very few are, actually).  It's easy to treat Irish like "real Americans," because they look like what a "real American" should look like.  Brown-skinned hispanics, on the other hand....well, they's different, ya know?  Sure, some of them can pass as white (yours truly included -- which has given me an interesting perspective, as I've been in rooms where people didn't realize I'm hispanic, and have said some truly loathsome shit), but most of them appear hispanic on immediate visual inspection.

Humans love to sort other humans that way.  Black people are ALWAYS going to be behind that 8-ball here.  And so are hispanics.  The fact that a shitload of us are too hopeful/dumb to realize that is its own tragedy.  MAGA America actually hates us, for what we are -- or rather, for what we aren't: good, white, pureblood "real Americans."  Our presence here is "poisoning the blood of our country" (their godking's exact words).

Should hispanic voters think of Dems as their friends?  Maybe, maybe not.  Should they think of MAGAs (which is the entire GQP now) as their mortal enemies?  Fuck yes they should.  They are never, ever, ever going to think of us as real Americans.  We are the enemy to them, even if they treat us momentarily as an ally of convenience.

All good points- I’m strictly speaking to why and how Hispanics vote in line with all of their other socioeconomic indicators- that is, the ones who look like Republican voters outside of being Hispanic usually vote Republican.

2 hours ago, Brisketexan said:

False.  Quit using ignorance as an excuse for hate and evil.  Enough.  You choose evil, you are evil.  "A lot of extremely decent people supported the nazis.  They are just trapped in a feedback loop blah blah blah."  Fuck that.  You KNOW that demonization of the other for who they are is evil and wrong, and you embrace it.  You are evil and shit.

I’m not using ignorance as an excuse, I’m pointing out that ignorance is a fact and part of the human condition.  It’s just the fog of war at this point, and a lot of decent people wind up on the wrong side of those.
So as we’ve discussed many times before, we’re left with the choice between politics, or politics by other means. I prefer the former, but I’m reluctantly willing to accept the latter. 
 

2 hours ago, Brisketexan said:

False.  Quit using ignorance as an excuse for hate and evil.  Enough.  You choose evil, you are evil.  "A lot of extremely decent people supported the nazis.  They are just trapped in a feedback loop blah blah blah."  Fuck that.  You KNOW that demonization of the other for who they are is evil and wrong, and you embrace it.  You are evil and shit.

I just thought about it the other day, but it's sad how much the internet and social media has revealed America to be extremely racist, ignorant, and self destructive. 

How I've gone from raising my daughters on serving their community involved in numerous community service projects just 1 decade ago to now being concerned with potentially having to eliminate my fellow countryman to save myself and my family. All because the veil of civility has been decimated by trump and republicans. 

No one who supports that in 2025 is anything other than my enemy. That's been made blatantly clear by their actions. 

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2 minutes ago, Hermanator said:

I just thought about it the other day, but it's sad how much the internet and social media has revealed America to be extremely racist, ignorant, and self destructive. 

How I've gone from raising my daughters on serving their community involved in numerous community service projects just 1 decade ago to now being concerned with having to eliminate my fellow countryman to save myself and my family. All because the veil of civility has been decimated by trump and republicans. 

No one who supports that in 2025 is anything other than my enemy. That's been made blatantly clear by their actions. 

Thought experiment. Now that you know the truth, would you wish you didn't? Go back to the matrix and eat your fake steak and live a life of blissful ignorance?

2 hours ago, Brisketexan said:

...yes....but also no, because of a couple of key differences.

(1) Once the Irish "integrated" into American society, it was pretty much a done-deal.  There was no REsurgence in anti-Irish sentiment.  Once the initial hatred subsided, it wasn't really a factor any longer.  Hispanics, on the other hand, are finding themselves back in the Juan Crow barrel in full.  We are public enemy #1, with the president and his admin literally saying it's okay to hunt them down in the streets based solely on their ethnicity (see Tom Homan's open admission of that fact).

(2) The phenomenon of (1) may be in large part because of skin color.  The majority of hispanics...look hispanic.  Just like the majority of Irish look like....regular white folk (they ain't all redheaded leprechauns, very few are, actually).  It's easy to treat Irish like "real Americans," because they look like what a "real American" should look like.  Brown-skinned hispanics, on the other hand....well, they's different, ya know?  Sure, some of them can pass as white (yours truly included -- which has given me an interesting perspective, as I've been in rooms where people didn't realize I'm hispanic, and have said some truly loathsome shit), but most of them appear hispanic on immediate visual inspection.

Humans love to sort other humans that way.  Black people are ALWAYS going to be behind that 8-ball here.  And so are hispanics.  The fact that a shitload of us are too hopeful/dumb to realize that is its own tragedy.  MAGA America actually hates us, for what we are -- or rather, for what we aren't: good, white, pureblood "real Americans."  Our presence here is "poisoning the blood of our country" (their godking's exact words).

Should hispanic voters think of Dems as their friends?  Maybe, maybe not.  Should they think of MAGAs (which is the entire GQP now) as their mortal enemies?  Fuck yes they should.  They are never, ever, ever going to think of us as real Americans.  We are the enemy to them, even if they treat us momentarily as an ally of convenience.

Also, Jaime Cuervo.

47 minutes ago, Vegas64 said:

Thought experiment. Now that you know the truth, would you wish you didn't? Go back to the matrix and eat your fake steak and live a life of blissful ignorance?

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i mean i've said it on here several times before...i wish i was a fucking blissful ignorant dumbass. might not have shit, would still be roasting in Texas and certainly would not have been able to retire at 49...but that sounds quaint compared to the existential dread about the collapse of our republic and the shame and embarrassment that my country elected this fetid disgusting tumor of a 'human' to the most powerful position in earth. TWICE. 

1 hour ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

All good points- I’m strictly speaking to why and how Hispanics vote in line with all of their other socioeconomic indicators- that is, the ones who look like Republican voters outside of being Hispanic usually vote Republican.

I’m not using ignorance as an excuse, I’m pointing out that ignorance is a fact and part of the human condition.  It’s just the fog of war at this point, and a lot of decent people wind up on the wrong side of those.
So as we’ve discussed many times before, we’re left with the choice between politics, or politics by other means. I prefer the former, but I’m reluctantly willing to accept the latter. 
 

I suppose I'll say this.  Some of these people are decent enough to be redeemed.  Others not so much, at least not without serious reprogramming.

But in their current state, all of them have chosen evil.

35 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

But in their current state, all of them have chosen evil.

But have they? That’s what I meant about a feedback loop. When a person are so blinkered by their community they don’t  know basic facts we all take for granted, and at the same time progressives have withdrawn from their geographic and online spaces, can we really say they made a choice? 
 

Just now, Bozo_Casanova said:

But have they? That’s what I meant about a feedback loop. When a person are so blinkered by their community they don’t  know basic facts we all take for granted, and at the same time progressives have withdrawn from their geographic and online spaces, can we really say they made a choice? 
 

Yes.  They chose single-channel ignorance.

I don't guzzle Fox News and OAN 24/7, but I ALSO don't guzzle MSNBC 24/7.  In fact, I purposefully maintain some people in my social media feed, and read news aggregators, that include MAGA thinking/reporting, because it's important to at the very least "know what the other side is thinking."

They chose the comfort of one-sided lies.  And they knew that the places those lies were taking them were evil and cruel....and they just stomped on the accelerator.  I repeat, fuck them and their evil asses.  They know.  They fucking know.  They always know.  They deserve, and will get, no absolution from me.

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28 minutes ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

But have they? That’s what I meant about a feedback loop. When a person are so blinkered by their community they don’t  know basic facts we all take for granted, and at the same time progressives have withdrawn from their geographic and online spaces, can we really say they made a choice? 
 

That's pretty infantilizing to say that they've got zero agency and are 100% just the sum of choices that other people made for them. I have friends and family that are incredibly technically smart, but would believe the sky was green if enough people from their bible study told them. 

Some folks CHOOSE to be so blinkered by their community, despite easy and ample access to verifiable facts. It all comes down to being easier to just turn off your critical thinking and go with the flow, and folks are so worn out from the constant firehose of catastrophe and scandal that they're more than happy to just check out and focus on fun instead of the ugly reality they prayed and voted for.

2 minutes ago, Captainant said:

That's pretty infantilizing to say that they've got zero agency and are 100% just the sum of choices that other people made for them. I have friends and family that are incredibly technically smart, but would believe the sky was green if enough people from their bible study told them. 

Some folks CHOOSE to be so blinkered by their community, despite easy and ample access to verifiable facts. It all comes down to being easier to just turn off your critical thinking and go with the flow, and folks are so worn out from the constant firehose of catastrophe and scandal that they're more than happy to just check out and focus on fun instead of the ugly reality they prayed and voted for.

i agree with this. when i was reading bozo's posts...while i agree with a kernel of what he's saying...i couldn't help think of bozo's old badge of honor signature line on hornfans or shaggy or some shit where he quoted someone saying something about his "smooth talking condescension." pretty heavy dose of that here in his argument that because people are tired of arguing with delusional systems and bots on the twitter shitpile, it's our fault that stupid people are stupid as if they have zero agency or personal responsibility.

5 hours ago, Brisketexan said:

False.  Quit using ignorance as an excuse for hate and evil.  Enough.  You choose evil, you are evil.  "A lot of extremely decent people supported the nazis.  They are just trapped in a feedback loop blah blah blah."  Fuck that.  You KNOW that demonization of the other for who they are is evil and wrong, and you embrace it.  You are evil and shit.

Yep. They may have started out “decent” but they’re immersed in the dark side now

1 hour ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

But have they? That’s what I meant about a feedback loop. When a person are so blinkered by their community they don’t  know basic facts we all take for granted, and at the same time progressives have withdrawn from their geographic and online spaces, can we really say they made a choice? 
 

A vote for Trump is a vote for evi that small government, personal rights constitution bullshit died. Government control

7 hours ago, DaysOff said:


Deep down you all know our first female president will be a Republican. It's what Jesus wants.

I think the first woman will be a Democratic Party member, but I don't think women will support women anytime soon.   

1 hour ago, Captainant said:

That's pretty infantilizing

Oh indeed

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1 hour ago, Brisketexan said:

I don't guzzle Fox News and OAN 24/7, but I ALSO don't guzzle MSNBC 24/7.  In fact, I purposefully maintain some people in my social media feed, and read news aggregators, that include MAGA thinking/reporting, because it's important to at the very least "know what the other side is thinking."

Do you understand how much smarter and more capable and free thinking and curious you are and most of the people on the forum are than +/- 90% of the population?

6 hours ago, Im_smarter_then_you said:

I hate to break it to “Hispanics” but white trumpers don’t view you as peers.  You’re lumped in with the blacks and orentals

Not the preferred nomanclature dude.   Asian-American please

2 minutes ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

Do you understand how much smarter and more capable and free thinking and curious you are and most of the people on the forum are than +/- 90% of the population?

Yes.

Wait....just 90%?  You sonofa.....

6 hours ago, Brisketexan said:

...yes....but also no, because of a couple of key differences.

(1) Once the Irish "integrated" into American society, it was pretty much a done-deal.  There was no REsurgence in anti-Irish sentiment.  Once the initial hatred subsided, it wasn't really a factor any longer.  Hispanics, on the other hand, are finding themselves back in the Juan Crow barrel in full.  We are public enemy #1, with the president and his admin literally saying it's okay to hunt them down in the streets based solely on their ethnicity (see Tom Homan's open admission of that fact).

(2) The phenomenon of (1) may be in large part because of skin color.  The majority of hispanics...look hispanic.  Just like the majority of Irish look like....regular white folk (they ain't all redheaded leprechauns, very few are, actually).  It's easy to treat Irish like "real Americans," because they look like what a "real American" should look like.  Brown-skinned hispanics, on the other hand....well, they's different, ya know?  Sure, some of them can pass as white (yours truly included -- which has given me an interesting perspective, as I've been in rooms where people didn't realize I'm hispanic, and have said some truly loathsome shit), but most of them appear hispanic on immediate visual inspection.

Humans love to sort other humans that way.  Black people are ALWAYS going to be behind that 8-ball here.  And so are hispanics.  The fact that a shitload of us are too hopeful/dumb to realize that is its own tragedy.  MAGA America actually hates us, for what we are -- or rather, for what we aren't: good, white, pureblood "real Americans."  Our presence here is "poisoning the blood of our country" (their godking's exact words).

Should hispanic voters think of Dems as their friends?  Maybe, maybe not.  Should they think of MAGAs (which is the entire GQP now) as their mortal enemies?  Fuck yes they should.  They are never, ever, ever going to think of us as real Americans.  We are the enemy to them, even if they treat us momentarily as an ally of convenience.

I still hate the Irish. 

2 hours ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

But have they? That’s what I meant about a feedback loop. When a person are so blinkered by their community they don’t  know basic facts we all take for granted, and at the same time progressives have withdrawn from their geographic and online spaces, can we really say they made a choice? 
 

If you choose not to decide
You still have made a choice

 

52 minutes ago, Gil Bang said:

I still hate the Irish. 

What about the Dutch?

Yes.
Wait....just 90%?  You sonofa.....

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1 hour ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

Do you understand how much smarter and more capable and free thinking and curious you are and most of the people on the forum are than +/- 90% of the population?

 

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6 hours ago, Chewbacca said:

I wish I could say the same thing.  My dad has gone from a never Trumper in 2020 to a full blown supporter. In the last few weeks he has told me that he thinks Trump is a good man, that tariffs are a good thing for the economy and that gas in CA is $8/gallon because Newsome shut down the refineries. They believe so many things that are objectively false and easily disprovable with 2 min of Google searches.  But he sits at home, mainlining Fox News all day long and believes them over anything else.

Had dinner with him 2 nights ago because my youngest is going off to college.  It was such a strained conversation because all he wants to talk about is his dumb Fox News shit but he knows that I won't abide that. So we had several long, awkward silences as I tried to think of safe topics to discuss. And even then, he tried to slip some bullshit into the conversation a couple of times but stopped when it was immediately refuted.

I want the man who raised me back and I know he's gone forever.  He's 85 and has been fully consumed by the right wing propaganda machine.

Parental lock out FoxNews, Fox Business, and any other right wing propagandist channels from his TV.  Also disable his internet or at least block social media and fringe sites with settings for a 5yr old.  When he complains tell him, you were trying to change some settings and must of messed something up but will come by to fix it in a few days.  Then keep coming up with excuses why you can’t come over that day.  Rinse and repeat for 2-3 weeks and you will slowly start to see  your dad back.

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Or change the settings so he only gets the Spanish translation.

5 hours ago, RomaVicta said:

From the NYT:

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That reads like the onion

5 hours ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

Do you understand how much smarter and more capable and free thinking and curious you are and most of the people on the forum are than +/- 90% of the population?

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