July 8Jul 8 1 hour ago, texifornia said: Tangentially related Ian Boyd is claiming it’s a coup. I refuse to link the article or quote him because I’m not taking a week off from work to read the entire article.
July 8Jul 8 It sounds like a completely fucked situation. The GM Nagy didn’t report to Joe C, he reported to Joe C’s successor Randall Stephenson. It sounds like Stephenson nudged Joe C out. Nagy not reporting to Skeletor should end in disaster, and I’m here for it.
July 8Jul 8 Popular Post 54 minutes ago, billfromlaketravis said: Ian Boyd is claiming it’s a coup. I refuse to link the article or quote him because I’m not taking a week off from work to read the entire article. Reminder to all that Ian Boyd isn’t an insider. He’s a former school teacher in Michigan, who now writes a nerd blog about football “strategy” and writes voluminous wrongheaded bullshit for IT. Does this sound like a guy who has Sources…anywhere…much less at OU? If he’s claiming anything it’s because someone at IT told him something. The only time I’d listen to anything Ian Boyd said is if I was mortally wounded and needed something to help me drift off to sweet death faster.
July 8Jul 8 53 minutes ago, texifornia said: https://247sports.com/player/tyler-ruxer-46155721/ Congrats to teddy ruxpin
July 8Jul 8 4 minutes ago, SydneyCarton said: Reminder to all that Ian Boyd isn’t an insider. He’s a former school teacher in Michigan, who now writes a nerd blog about football “strategy” and writes voluminous wrongheaded bullshit for IT. Does this sound like a guy who has Sources…anywhere…much less at OU? If he’s claiming anything it’s because someone at IT told him something. The only time I’d listen to anything Ian Boyd said is if I was mortally wounded and needed something to help me drift off to sweet death faster. i'm laughing way too hard at this lol
July 8Jul 8 7 hours ago, texifornia said: Tangentially related Why does he look like he's part of a plot to murder Nucky Thompson?
July 8Jul 8 11 hours ago, SydneyCarton said: Reminder to all that Ian Boyd isn’t an insider. He’s a former school teacher in Michigan, who now writes a nerd blog about football “strategy” and writes voluminous wrongheaded bullshit for IT. Does this sound like a guy who has Sources…anywhere…much less at OU? If he’s claiming anything it’s because someone at IT told him something. The only time I’d listen to anything Ian Boyd said is if I was mortally wounded and needed something to help me drift off to sweet death faster.
July 16Jul 16 Popular Post Just stopping in to remind everyone of how poorly recruiting is going for these clowns and how heartwarming it is to see them get what they deserve. Ranked 34 right now in the composite, I believe.
July 16Jul 16 2 minutes ago, Chili dog said: Just stopping in to remind everyone of how poorly recruiting is going for these clowns and how heartwarming it is to see them get what they deserve. Ranked 34 right now in the composite, I believe. But they got Jim Nagy! All your 2 stars belong to him.
July 16Jul 16 10 hours ago, Chili dog said: Just stopping in to remind everyone of how poorly recruiting is going for these clowns and how heartwarming it is to see them get what they deserve. Ranked 34 right now in the composite, I believe. And it's going to get worse. Fong hinted that we are gaining steam with Kreul.
July 16Jul 16 10 hours ago, Chili dog said: Just stopping in to remind everyone of how poorly recruiting is going for these clowns and how heartwarming it is to see them get what they deserve. Ranked 34 right now in the composite, I believe. 247 only has 2 of their 15 commits at 4 star. 1 of them is just barely a 4 star. The composite is a little nicer and had them with 8 of 15 as 4 stars, but they're damn near all borderline 3 star.
July 16Jul 16 On 7/7/2025 at 7:44 PM, texifornia said: https://247sports.com/player/tyler-ruxer-46155721/ Tyler's offer list.
July 16Jul 16 Guys, do not click on the spoiler below if you're worried about elevating your heart rate or laughing so hard that your head explodes. The thread I'm pasting has everything in it. It's amazing. They're starting to really lean in to the "Nagy is playing chess, everyone else is playing checkers" storyline as a rationalization for how shitty recruiting is going. The original poster actually posted the OU 5 star history as a means of explaining that 5 stars are generally overrated. I laughed out loud. I sometimes forget how genuinely stupid the majority of the OU fanbase is. Anyway, this thread checked every box in the game of recruiting bullshit bingo: Spoiler Thought this might give perspective...5 stars and lack there of 5 VIP Reply Back To Topics 1 2 Pavesooner Posted on Jul 13th, 4:23 PM, V I P, User Since 285 months ago, User Post Count: 1551 Jul 13th, 4:23 PMVIP 285 months 1551 Thought this might give perspective....I searched the databases and went back to 2002 (couldnt find anything that went back further that still listed the recruit stars...seems that has been lost in website evolution). If any recruiting service had them listed as a 5 star, I put them on the list....let me know if I'm missing anyone.... Hope this gives a perspective of who panned out and didn't...and then let you realize there are many OU greats that not only excelled at OU but went to the NFL and became greats that were not 5 star recruits... Additionally, as I scoured the recruiting classes, there were several years where we didn't have any 5 stars on our recruiting roster... OU’s 5 Star Recruits as ranked by 24/7 Sports, ESPN, On3, and/or Rivals since 2002. (34 total across 23 classes) Zach Latimer Jason Carter Lawrence Dampeer Tommy Grady Tony Cade Adrian Peterson Rhett Bomar Marcus Walker Brandon Braxton Gerald McCoy DeMarco Murray Mike Reed Jermie Calhoun RJ Washington Stephen Good Brandon Williams Trey Metoyer Joe Mixon Caleb Kelly Brendan Radley-Hiles Jalen Redmond Jadon Haselwood Spencer Rattler Theo Wease Trejan Bridges Caleb Williams Clayton Smith Mario Williams Jackson Arnold PJ Adebawore Peyton Bowen David Stone Michael Fasusi Kyler Murray and John Mateer (as a Transfer) This post was edited by Pavesooner 3 days ago 5 upvotes 5 Discussion All (29) Staff (1) NHines57 Posted on Jul 13th, 4:15 PM, V I P, User Since 43 months ago, User Post Count: 396 Jul 13th, 4:15 PMVIP 43 months 396 Excluding Stone and Fasusi the last two that were worth a dang were Redmond and Mixon. OU doesn’t get production from 5stars. 4 upvotes 4 Ziharber Posted on Jul 13th, 4:18 PM, V I P, User Since 73 months ago, User Post Count: 4042 Jul 13th, 4:18 PMVIP 73 months 4042 The High School recruiting industry is about to go through a downsizing I think. It’s just not nearly as important as it used to be. 5 upvotes 5 Ziharber Posted on Jul 13th, 4:19 PM, V I P, User Since 73 months ago, User Post Count: 4042 Jul 13th, 4:19 PMVIP 73 months 4042 That list has a lot of busts as 5 stars. 6 upvotes 6 Pavesooner Posted on Jul 13th, 4:25 PM, V I P, User Since 285 months ago, User Post Count: 1551 Jul 13th, 4:25 PMVIP 285 months 1551 Ziharber said... (original post) That list has a lot of busts as 5 stars. show more Exactly.... 1 upvotes 1 Pavesooner Posted on Jul 13th, 4:26 PM, V I P, User Since 285 months ago, User Post Count: 1551 Jul 13th, 4:26 PMVIP 285 months 1551 Ziharber said... (original post) The High School recruiting industry is about to go through a downsizing I think. It’s just not nearly as important as it used to be. show more Agree, especially if they are demanding a bunch on money but unproven at the collegiate level....safer bet is to put the money on athletes that have proven to excel at this level... 2 upvotes 2 bison34 Posted on Jul 13th, 4:33 PM, V I P, User Since 176 months ago, User Post Count: 2411 Jul 13th, 4:33 PMVIP 176 months 2411 OU is either getting the wrong 5 stars, or not developing/controlling them. UGA, tOSU, Bama, even to a lesser extent than those 3, have hit big on 5 stars. OU missing a lot is a product of development and culture here. Some failed because OU failed them on the field, others because they failed to monitor and control them off the field. OU may have the worst hit rate % on 5 stars, and is a big reason why it has been almost 25 years since OU raised the natty. -4 downvotes -4 Lionhorse Posted on Jul 13th, 4:40 PM, V I P, User Since 55 months ago, User Post Count: 4633 Jul 13th, 4:40 PMVIP 55 months 4633 bison34 said... (original post) OU is either getting the wrong 5 stars, or not developing/controlling them. UGA, tOSU, Bama, even to a lesser extent than those 3, have hit big on ... show more How about your beloved okie state cowboys? 3 upvotes 3 Ziharber Posted on Jul 13th, 4:57 PM, V I P, User Since 73 months ago, User Post Count: 4042 Jul 13th, 4:57 PMVIP 73 months 4042 bison34 said... (original post) OU is either getting the wrong 5 stars, or not developing/controlling them. UGA, tOSU, Bama, even to a lesser extent than those 3, have hit big on ... show more Your a ******** idiot. 0 upvotes 0 OUfish81 Posted on Jul 13th, 5:03 PM, V I P, User Since 27 months ago, User Post Count: 4562 Jul 13th, 5:03 PMVIP 27 months 4562 Most of the 5 stars we recruited wouldn’t get by Nagy and his staff, as far as the type of kid they are looking for. 0 0 Blake AntkowiakStaff Posted on Jul 13th, 9:16 PM, V I P, User Since 26 months ago, User Post Count: 646 Jul 13th, 9:16 PMVIP 26 months 646 I probably should've put it in article form, but a few weeks ago I posted a quote from Nagy that said (and I'm heavily paraphrasing here) If OU has a guy rated as a 4 or 5 star but the recruiting sites don't, they're going to prioritize that prospect over one that recruiting sites are higher on. It's sort of that valuation vs evaulation thing. The goal is to get the most bang for your buck. 9 upvotes 9 Pavesooner Posted on Jul 13th, 9:27 PM, V I P, User Since 285 months ago, User Post Count: 1551 Jul 13th, 9:27 PMVIP 285 months 1551 bison34 said... (original post) OU is either getting the wrong 5 stars, or not developing/controlling them. UGA, tOSU, Bama, even to a lesser extent than those 3, have hit big on ... show more OUs 2000 team was filled with what would have been rated as mid level talent that played with heart, made each player to their left or right better and as a whole rose to the occasion....doubt we had a single 5 star on that team. 6 upvotes 6 jreddogtx Posted on Jul 13th, 9:47 PM, V I P, User Since 63 months ago, User Post Count: 8747 Jul 13th, 9:47 PMVIP 63 months 8747 Pavesooner said... (original post) OUs 2000 team was filled with what would have been rated as mid level talent that played with heart, made each player to their left or right bet... show more Per Google and AI : Star ratings for high school football recruits started gaining prominence around the early 2000s... another search said it began in 2002... upshot being star rankings and the 2000 chip have no relationship... I think kids were basically "blue chips" or not back in the stone age of the 1900's... LOL. I do remember back then, anyone in the Texas top 100 was considered a very good prospect... 0 0 CherokeeOkie Posted on Jul 13th, 10:39 PM, V I P, User Since 11 months ago, User Post Count: 1793 Jul 13th, 10:39 PMVIP 11 months 1793 The star system is nothing more than a construct of guys who have made money by awarding stars. Peel away that hide and what you got is not the bull but the bull sh**. 5 upvotes 5 Ziharber Posted on Jul 14th, 7:51 AM, V I P, User Since 73 months ago, User Post Count: 4042 Jul 14th, 7:51 AMVIP 73 months 4042 Pavesooner said... (original post) OUs 2000 team was filled with what would have been rated as mid level talent that played with heart, made each player to their left or right bet... show more He could care less, he just milks his bull on all fours and roots for stoolwater jc 2 upvotes 2 Ziharber Posted on Jul 14th, 7:54 AM, V I P, User Since 73 months ago, User Post Count: 4042 Jul 14th, 7:54 AMVIP 73 months 4042 Who has the experience of building a successful roster a GM like Nagy or these guys in the recruiting services? I’ll wait… 2 upvotes 2 Ziharber Posted on Jul 14th, 9:23 AM, V I P, User Since 73 months ago, User Post Count: 4042 Jul 14th, 9:23 AMVIP 73 months 4042 Blake Antkowiak said... (original post) I probably should've put it in article form, but a few weeks ago I posted a quote from Nagy that said (and I'm heavily paraphrasing here) I... show more Nagy has a proven track record of building rosters. The recruiting services not so much. 4 upvotes 4 LT4Sooners Posted on Jul 14th, 9:51 AM, V I P, User Since 119 months ago, User Post Count: 2361 Jul 14th, 9:51 AMVIP 119 months 2361 College football is where I’m focused so not too interested on who went on to become nfl greats. Teams loaded with four and five stars are winning nattys. Really hoping for a good year in 2025 so more of those can be pulled in. Just wish I had a billion so I could help out with NIL! 1 upvotes 1 Badger4Sooners Posted on Jul 14th, 10:33 AM, V I P, User Since 32 months ago, User Post Count: 1355 Jul 14th, 10:33 AMVIP 32 months 1355 Until there is a salary cap put in place. CFB teams will operate like MLB. Small market teams have to maximize the dollar while LA & NY can just buy any player they want. Get used to it until a CBA, a salary cap is installed and there is a limit on NIL per player. Otherwise you have teams like TT with billionaire donors who pay these kids unlimited amounts. 1 upvotes 1 SoonerDoug Posted on Jul 14th, 11:18 AM, V I P, User Since 285 months ago, User Post Count: 752 Jul 14th, 11:18 AMVIP 285 months 752 Our issue this year is very few 4 starts either. You ain't winning a natty on this year's recruiting if this becomes the norm 1 upvotes 1 JetDoc Posted on Jul 14th, 11:37 AM, V I P, User Since 187 months ago, User Post Count: 24273 Jul 14th, 11:37 AMVIP 187 months 24273 All these guessperts are doing by ranking a player a 2* to a 5* is saying they think this player or that player has the 'potential' to that good. There's no guarantees in recruiting although somone like Adrian Peterson or Tommy Harris, who wasn't on the above list, are a pretty sure can't miss player if anyone saw them in high school. There's too many 3* players who have ended up playing like 5* players to count with some ending up All American's and Heisman Trophy winners, i.e. Sam Bradford and Baker Mayfield. And this is just at OU, not to mention that this happens at a lot of schools. 1 upvotes 1 Bronco1970 Posted on Jul 14th, 11:53 AM, V I P, User Since 29 months ago, User Post Count: 1232 Jul 14th, 11:53 AMVIP 29 months 1232 it would have more meaning if they rated everyone like a kicker or punter......for their college time anyway This post was edited by Bronco1970 2 days ago 0 0 Rcsodak Posted on Jul 14th, 12:06 PM, V I P, User Since 233 months ago, User Post Count: 2223 Jul 14th, 12:06 PMVIP 233 months 2223 SoonerDoug said... (original post) Our issue this year is very few 4 starts either. You ain't winning a natty on this year's recruiting if this becomes the norm show more Just look at fcs teams. Full of 0-3*s. Then the kids portal into the highest paying big boys once they show their mettle. Hell, WSU is now referred to as SDSUW! Y'all need to relax. 1 upvotes 1 Pavesooner Posted on Jul 14th, 5:36 PM, V I P, User Since 285 months ago, User Post Count: 1551 Jul 14th, 5:36 PMVIP 285 months 1551 There is a big disparity between the ranking systems as well. one service we are 24th and here we are 34th.... https://www.on3.com/college/oklahoma-sooners/football/2026/industry-comparison-commits/ 1 upvotes 1 StuChains007 Posted on Jul 14th, 6:19 PM, V I P, User Since 85 months ago, User Post Count: 2710 Jul 14th, 6:19 PMVIP 85 months 2710 Ziharber said... (original post) Your a ******** idiot. show more Don’t be such a t w a t. What is your theory why this hasn’t panned out? Whether it has panned out for most of these or not is objective, not subject to opinion. These recruits were expected to become NFL level players. Most of them did not. Go ahead, we’re waiting. -1 downvotes -1 StuChains007 Posted on Jul 14th, 6:22 PM, V I P, User Since 85 months ago, User Post Count: 2710 Jul 14th, 6:22 PMVIP 85 months 2710 JetDoc said... (original post) All these guessperts are doing by ranking a player a 2* to a 5* is saying they think this player or that player has the 'potential' to that good. Th... show more It has been objectively shown that more 5 and 4 stars correlates with championships. The hit rate for 5 stars to go to the nfl is significant and higher than 4 stars. More percentage of 4 stars go to the nfl than percentage of 3 stars. These statistics have been done and support the recruiting services rankings as legitimate in predicting on field success for both the players and the teams. It is only mental gymnastics when y’all make it so. OU needs to get better players. Same story as before. Spoiler Ziharber Posted on Jul 14th, 7:21 PM, V I P, User Since 73 months ago, User Post Count: 4042 Jul 14th, 7:21 PMVIP 73 months 4042 StuChains007 said... (original post) Don’t be such a t w a t. What is your theory why this hasn’t panned out? Whether it has panned out for most of these or not is objective, not ... show more StuStrings.007 loves bison34 0 0 Rcsodak Posted on 22 hrs, V I P, User Since 233 months ago, User Post Count: 2223 22 hrsVIP 233 months 2223 StuChains007 said... (original post) It has been objectively shown that more 5 and 4 stars correlates with championships. The hit rate for 5 stars to go to the nfl is significant ... show more Who's service are you using for comparison sake? 24/7s ranking has for the most part, differed from ESPN, on3, er al. Why? Because they try to correlate to how the kids will be in the NFL, vs college (iirc). Now, who's ranking is Nagy using. And learn we forget about composite . IOW, one man's 7" ≠ another's 0 0 Arkasooner33 Posted on 11 hrs, V I P, User Since 22 months ago, User Post Count: 666 11 hrsVIP 22 months 666 Pavesooner said... (original post) OUs 2000 team was filled with what would have been rated as mid level talent that played with heart, made each player to their left or right bet... show more And almost no injuries that year. 1 upvotes 1 soonerlvr Posted on 3 hrs, V I P, User Since 251 months ago, User Post Count: 759 3 hrsVIP 251 months 759 NFL Advancement Rate from Top College Teams For elite programs (top 10 in college football), approximately 35–40% of scholarship players make it onto an NFL roster at some point. This rate is significantly higher than the national average for all Division I FBS players, which sits at about 1.6%. Data from Recruiting and Draft Analysis Among five-star recruits, the draft rate is about 58%—meaning more than half are selected in the NFL Draft. Teams consistently in the top 10 (e.g., Alabama, Georgia, Ohio State, LSU, Clemson) routinely see 35–45% of their scholarship players go on to the NFL, especially those who recruit at the highest level. The best programs for player development (measured by actual draft rate) include Alabama, Georgia, Penn State, Ohio State, LSU, Florida, and Clemson, with the highest variance above the national average. Table: Estimated NFL Advancement Rates Program Level Percentage Making NFL Roster Top 10 college teams 35–40% Five-star recruits 58% (drafted) All D-I FBS players 1.6%
July 16Jul 16 19 minutes ago, closetojumping said: Guys, do not click on the spoiler below if you're worried about elevating your heart rate or laughing so hard that your head explodes. The thread I'm pasting has everything in it. It's amazing. They're starting to really lean in to the "Nagy is playing chess, everyone else is playing checkers" storyline as a rationalization for how shitty recruiting is going. The original poster actually posted the OU 5 star history as a means of explaining that 5 stars are generally overrated. I laughed out loud. I sometimes forget how genuinely stupid the majority of the OU fanbase is. Anyway, this thread checked every box in the game of recruiting bullshit bingo: Hide contents Thought this might give perspective...5 stars and lack there of 5 VIP Reply Back To Topics 1 2 Pavesooner Posted on Jul 13th, 4:23 PM, V I P, User Since 285 months ago, User Post Count: 1551 Jul 13th, 4:23 PMVIP 285 months 1551 Thought this might give perspective....I searched the databases and went back to 2002 (couldnt find anything that went back further that still listed the recruit stars...seems that has been lost in website evolution). If any recruiting service had them listed as a 5 star, I put them on the list....let me know if I'm missing anyone.... Hope this gives a perspective of who panned out and didn't...and then let you realize there are many OU greats that not only excelled at OU but went to the NFL and became greats that were not 5 star recruits... Additionally, as I scoured the recruiting classes, there were several years where we didn't have any 5 stars on our recruiting roster... OU’s 5 Star Recruits as ranked by 24/7 Sports, ESPN, On3, and/or Rivals since 2002. (34 total across 23 classes) Zach Latimer Jason Carter Lawrence Dampeer Tommy Grady Tony Cade Adrian Peterson Rhett Bomar Marcus Walker Brandon Braxton Gerald McCoy DeMarco Murray Mike Reed Jermie Calhoun RJ Washington Stephen Good Brandon Williams Trey Metoyer Joe Mixon Caleb Kelly Brendan Radley-Hiles Jalen Redmond Jadon Haselwood Spencer Rattler Theo Wease Trejan Bridges Caleb Williams Clayton Smith Mario Williams Jackson Arnold PJ Adebawore Peyton Bowen David Stone Michael Fasusi Kyler Murray and John Mateer (as a Transfer) This post was edited by Pavesooner 3 days ago 5 upvotes 5 Discussion All (29) Staff (1) NHines57 Posted on Jul 13th, 4:15 PM, V I P, User Since 43 months ago, User Post Count: 396 Jul 13th, 4:15 PMVIP 43 months 396 Excluding Stone and Fasusi the last two that were worth a dang were Redmond and Mixon. OU doesn’t get production from 5stars. 4 upvotes 4 Ziharber Posted on Jul 13th, 4:18 PM, V I P, User Since 73 months ago, User Post Count: 4042 Jul 13th, 4:18 PMVIP 73 months 4042 The High School recruiting industry is about to go through a downsizing I think. It’s just not nearly as important as it used to be. 5 upvotes 5 Ziharber Posted on Jul 13th, 4:19 PM, V I P, User Since 73 months ago, User Post Count: 4042 Jul 13th, 4:19 PMVIP 73 months 4042 That list has a lot of busts as 5 stars. 6 upvotes 6 Pavesooner Posted on Jul 13th, 4:25 PM, V I P, User Since 285 months ago, User Post Count: 1551 Jul 13th, 4:25 PMVIP 285 months 1551 Ziharber said... (original post) That list has a lot of busts as 5 stars. show more Exactly.... 1 upvotes 1 Pavesooner Posted on Jul 13th, 4:26 PM, V I P, User Since 285 months ago, User Post Count: 1551 Jul 13th, 4:26 PMVIP 285 months 1551 Ziharber said... (original post) The High School recruiting industry is about to go through a downsizing I think. It’s just not nearly as important as it used to be. show more Agree, especially if they are demanding a bunch on money but unproven at the collegiate level....safer bet is to put the money on athletes that have proven to excel at this level... 2 upvotes 2 bison34 Posted on Jul 13th, 4:33 PM, V I P, User Since 176 months ago, User Post Count: 2411 Jul 13th, 4:33 PMVIP 176 months 2411 OU is either getting the wrong 5 stars, or not developing/controlling them. UGA, tOSU, Bama, even to a lesser extent than those 3, have hit big on 5 stars. OU missing a lot is a product of development and culture here. Some failed because OU failed them on the field, others because they failed to monitor and control them off the field. OU may have the worst hit rate % on 5 stars, and is a big reason why it has been almost 25 years since OU raised the natty. -4 downvotes -4 Lionhorse Posted on Jul 13th, 4:40 PM, V I P, User Since 55 months ago, User Post Count: 4633 Jul 13th, 4:40 PMVIP 55 months 4633 bison34 said... (original post) OU is either getting the wrong 5 stars, or not developing/controlling them. UGA, tOSU, Bama, even to a lesser extent than those 3, have hit big on ... show more How about your beloved okie state cowboys? 3 upvotes 3 Ziharber Posted on Jul 13th, 4:57 PM, V I P, User Since 73 months ago, User Post Count: 4042 Jul 13th, 4:57 PMVIP 73 months 4042 bison34 said... (original post) OU is either getting the wrong 5 stars, or not developing/controlling them. UGA, tOSU, Bama, even to a lesser extent than those 3, have hit big on ... show more Your a ******** idiot. 0 upvotes 0 OUfish81 Posted on Jul 13th, 5:03 PM, V I P, User Since 27 months ago, User Post Count: 4562 Jul 13th, 5:03 PMVIP 27 months 4562 Most of the 5 stars we recruited wouldn’t get by Nagy and his staff, as far as the type of kid they are looking for. 0 0 Blake AntkowiakStaff Posted on Jul 13th, 9:16 PM, V I P, User Since 26 months ago, User Post Count: 646 Jul 13th, 9:16 PMVIP 26 months 646 I probably should've put it in article form, but a few weeks ago I posted a quote from Nagy that said (and I'm heavily paraphrasing here) If OU has a guy rated as a 4 or 5 star but the recruiting sites don't, they're going to prioritize that prospect over one that recruiting sites are higher on. It's sort of that valuation vs evaulation thing. The goal is to get the most bang for your buck. 9 upvotes 9 Pavesooner Posted on Jul 13th, 9:27 PM, V I P, User Since 285 months ago, User Post Count: 1551 Jul 13th, 9:27 PMVIP 285 months 1551 bison34 said... (original post) OU is either getting the wrong 5 stars, or not developing/controlling them. UGA, tOSU, Bama, even to a lesser extent than those 3, have hit big on ... show more OUs 2000 team was filled with what would have been rated as mid level talent that played with heart, made each player to their left or right better and as a whole rose to the occasion....doubt we had a single 5 star on that team. 6 upvotes 6 jreddogtx Posted on Jul 13th, 9:47 PM, V I P, User Since 63 months ago, User Post Count: 8747 Jul 13th, 9:47 PMVIP 63 months 8747 Pavesooner said... (original post) OUs 2000 team was filled with what would have been rated as mid level talent that played with heart, made each player to their left or right bet... show more Per Google and AI : Star ratings for high school football recruits started gaining prominence around the early 2000s... another search said it began in 2002... upshot being star rankings and the 2000 chip have no relationship... I think kids were basically "blue chips" or not back in the stone age of the 1900's... LOL. I do remember back then, anyone in the Texas top 100 was considered a very good prospect... 0 0 CherokeeOkie Posted on Jul 13th, 10:39 PM, V I P, User Since 11 months ago, User Post Count: 1793 Jul 13th, 10:39 PMVIP 11 months 1793 The star system is nothing more than a construct of guys who have made money by awarding stars. Peel away that hide and what you got is not the bull but the bull sh**. 5 upvotes 5 Ziharber Posted on Jul 14th, 7:51 AM, V I P, User Since 73 months ago, User Post Count: 4042 Jul 14th, 7:51 AMVIP 73 months 4042 Pavesooner said... (original post) OUs 2000 team was filled with what would have been rated as mid level talent that played with heart, made each player to their left or right bet... show more He could care less, he just milks his bull on all fours and roots for stoolwater jc 2 upvotes 2 Ziharber Posted on Jul 14th, 7:54 AM, V I P, User Since 73 months ago, User Post Count: 4042 Jul 14th, 7:54 AMVIP 73 months 4042 Who has the experience of building a successful roster a GM like Nagy or these guys in the recruiting services? I’ll wait… 2 upvotes 2 Ziharber Posted on Jul 14th, 9:23 AM, V I P, User Since 73 months ago, User Post Count: 4042 Jul 14th, 9:23 AMVIP 73 months 4042 Blake Antkowiak said... (original post) I probably should've put it in article form, but a few weeks ago I posted a quote from Nagy that said (and I'm heavily paraphrasing here) I... show more Nagy has a proven track record of building rosters. The recruiting services not so much. 4 upvotes 4 LT4Sooners Posted on Jul 14th, 9:51 AM, V I P, User Since 119 months ago, User Post Count: 2361 Jul 14th, 9:51 AMVIP 119 months 2361 College football is where I’m focused so not too interested on who went on to become nfl greats. Teams loaded with four and five stars are winning nattys. Really hoping for a good year in 2025 so more of those can be pulled in. Just wish I had a billion so I could help out with NIL! 1 upvotes 1 Badger4Sooners Posted on Jul 14th, 10:33 AM, V I P, User Since 32 months ago, User Post Count: 1355 Jul 14th, 10:33 AMVIP 32 months 1355 Until there is a salary cap put in place. CFB teams will operate like MLB. Small market teams have to maximize the dollar while LA & NY can just buy any player they want. Get used to it until a CBA, a salary cap is installed and there is a limit on NIL per player. Otherwise you have teams like TT with billionaire donors who pay these kids unlimited amounts. 1 upvotes 1 SoonerDoug Posted on Jul 14th, 11:18 AM, V I P, User Since 285 months ago, User Post Count: 752 Jul 14th, 11:18 AMVIP 285 months 752 Our issue this year is very few 4 starts either. You ain't winning a natty on this year's recruiting if this becomes the norm 1 upvotes 1 JetDoc Posted on Jul 14th, 11:37 AM, V I P, User Since 187 months ago, User Post Count: 24273 Jul 14th, 11:37 AMVIP 187 months 24273 All these guessperts are doing by ranking a player a 2* to a 5* is saying they think this player or that player has the 'potential' to that good. There's no guarantees in recruiting although somone like Adrian Peterson or Tommy Harris, who wasn't on the above list, are a pretty sure can't miss player if anyone saw them in high school. There's too many 3* players who have ended up playing like 5* players to count with some ending up All American's and Heisman Trophy winners, i.e. Sam Bradford and Baker Mayfield. And this is just at OU, not to mention that this happens at a lot of schools. 1 upvotes 1 Bronco1970 Posted on Jul 14th, 11:53 AM, V I P, User Since 29 months ago, User Post Count: 1232 Jul 14th, 11:53 AMVIP 29 months 1232 it would have more meaning if they rated everyone like a kicker or punter......for their college time anyway This post was edited by Bronco1970 2 days ago 0 0 Rcsodak Posted on Jul 14th, 12:06 PM, V I P, User Since 233 months ago, User Post Count: 2223 Jul 14th, 12:06 PMVIP 233 months 2223 SoonerDoug said... (original post) Our issue this year is very few 4 starts either. You ain't winning a natty on this year's recruiting if this becomes the norm show more Just look at fcs teams. Full of 0-3*s. Then the kids portal into the highest paying big boys once they show their mettle. Hell, WSU is now referred to as SDSUW! Y'all need to relax. 1 upvotes 1 Pavesooner Posted on Jul 14th, 5:36 PM, V I P, User Since 285 months ago, User Post Count: 1551 Jul 14th, 5:36 PMVIP 285 months 1551 There is a big disparity between the ranking systems as well. one service we are 24th and here we are 34th.... https://www.on3.com/college/oklahoma-sooners/football/2026/industry-comparison-commits/ 1 upvotes 1 StuChains007 Posted on Jul 14th, 6:19 PM, V I P, User Since 85 months ago, User Post Count: 2710 Jul 14th, 6:19 PMVIP 85 months 2710 Ziharber said... (original post) Your a ******** idiot. show more Don’t be such a t w a t. What is your theory why this hasn’t panned out? Whether it has panned out for most of these or not is objective, not subject to opinion. These recruits were expected to become NFL level players. Most of them did not. Go ahead, we’re waiting. -1 downvotes -1 StuChains007 Posted on Jul 14th, 6:22 PM, V I P, User Since 85 months ago, User Post Count: 2710 Jul 14th, 6:22 PMVIP 85 months 2710 JetDoc said... (original post) All these guessperts are doing by ranking a player a 2* to a 5* is saying they think this player or that player has the 'potential' to that good. Th... show more It has been objectively shown that more 5 and 4 stars correlates with championships. The hit rate for 5 stars to go to the nfl is significant and higher than 4 stars. More percentage of 4 stars go to the nfl than percentage of 3 stars. These statistics have been done and support the recruiting services rankings as legitimate in predicting on field success for both the players and the teams. It is only mental gymnastics when y’all make it so. OU needs to get better players. Same story as before. Hide contents Ziharber Posted on Jul 14th, 7:21 PM, V I P, User Since 73 months ago, User Post Count: 4042 Jul 14th, 7:21 PMVIP 73 months 4042 StuChains007 said... (original post) Don’t be such a t w a t. What is your theory why this hasn’t panned out? Whether it has panned out for most of these or not is objective, not ... show more StuStrings.007 loves bison34 0 0 Rcsodak Posted on 22 hrs, V I P, User Since 233 months ago, User Post Count: 2223 22 hrsVIP 233 months 2223 StuChains007 said... (original post) It has been objectively shown that more 5 and 4 stars correlates with championships. The hit rate for 5 stars to go to the nfl is significant ... show more Who's service are you using for comparison sake? 24/7s ranking has for the most part, differed from ESPN, on3, er al. Why? Because they try to correlate to how the kids will be in the NFL, vs college (iirc). Now, who's ranking is Nagy using. And learn we forget about composite . IOW, one man's 7" ≠ another's 0 0 Arkasooner33 Posted on 11 hrs, V I P, User Since 22 months ago, User Post Count: 666 11 hrsVIP 22 months 666 Pavesooner said... (original post) OUs 2000 team was filled with what would have been rated as mid level talent that played with heart, made each player to their left or right bet... show more And almost no injuries that year. 1 upvotes 1 soonerlvr Posted on 3 hrs, V I P, User Since 251 months ago, User Post Count: 759 3 hrsVIP 251 months 759 NFL Advancement Rate from Top College Teams For elite programs (top 10 in college football), approximately 35–40% of scholarship players make it onto an NFL roster at some point. This rate is significantly higher than the national average for all Division I FBS players, which sits at about 1.6%. Data from Recruiting and Draft Analysis Among five-star recruits, the draft rate is about 58%—meaning more than half are selected in the NFL Draft. Teams consistently in the top 10 (e.g., Alabama, Georgia, Ohio State, LSU, Clemson) routinely see 35–45% of their scholarship players go on to the NFL, especially those who recruit at the highest level. The best programs for player development (measured by actual draft rate) include Alabama, Georgia, Penn State, Ohio State, LSU, Florida, and Clemson, with the highest variance above the national average. Table: Estimated NFL Advancement Rates Program Level Percentage Making NFL Roster Top 10 college teams 35–40% Five-star recruits 58% (drafted) All D-I FBS players 1.6% "Guys, there's about to be a lot of layoffs in the recruiting industry. Therefore, we don't need to pay attention at all to player rankings." Wow.
July 16Jul 16 6 minutes ago, SydneyCarton said: "Guys, there's about to be a lot of layoffs in the recruiting industry. Therefore, we don't need to pay attention at all to player rankings." Wow. Might as well have been "Guys, I'm grasping at straws to figure out how we will possibly stay relevant. Therefore, we don't need to pay attention at all to player rankings."
July 16Jul 16 35 minutes ago, closetojumping said: Guys, do not click on the spoiler below if you're worried about elevating your heart rate or laughing so hard that your head explodes. The thread I'm pasting has everything in it. It's amazing. They're starting to really lean in to the "Nagy is playing chess, everyone else is playing checkers" storyline as a rationalization for how shitty recruiting is going. The original poster actually posted the OU 5 star history as a means of explaining that 5 stars are generally overrated. I laughed out loud. I sometimes forget how genuinely stupid the majority of the OU fanbase is. Anyway, this thread checked every box in the game of recruiting bullshit bingo: Hide contents Thought this might give perspective...5 stars and lack there of 5 VIP Reply Back To Topics 1 2 Pavesooner Posted on Jul 13th, 4:23 PM, V I P, User Since 285 months ago, User Post Count: 1551 Jul 13th, 4:23 PMVIP 285 months 1551 Thought this might give perspective....I searched the databases and went back to 2002 (couldnt find anything that went back further that still listed the recruit stars...seems that has been lost in website evolution). If any recruiting service had them listed as a 5 star, I put them on the list....let me know if I'm missing anyone.... Hope this gives a perspective of who panned out and didn't...and then let you realize there are many OU greats that not only excelled at OU but went to the NFL and became greats that were not 5 star recruits... Additionally, as I scoured the recruiting classes, there were several years where we didn't have any 5 stars on our recruiting roster... OU’s 5 Star Recruits as ranked by 24/7 Sports, ESPN, On3, and/or Rivals since 2002. (34 total across 23 classes) Zach Latimer Jason Carter Lawrence Dampeer Tommy Grady Tony Cade Adrian Peterson Rhett Bomar Marcus Walker Brandon Braxton Gerald McCoy DeMarco Murray Mike Reed Jermie Calhoun RJ Washington Stephen Good Brandon Williams Trey Metoyer Joe Mixon Caleb Kelly Brendan Radley-Hiles Jalen Redmond Jadon Haselwood Spencer Rattler Theo Wease Trejan Bridges Caleb Williams Clayton Smith Mario Williams Jackson Arnold PJ Adebawore Peyton Bowen David Stone Michael Fasusi Kyler Murray and John Mateer (as a Transfer) This post was edited by Pavesooner 3 days ago 5 upvotes 5 Discussion All (29) Staff (1) NHines57 Posted on Jul 13th, 4:15 PM, V I P, User Since 43 months ago, User Post Count: 396 Jul 13th, 4:15 PMVIP 43 months 396 Excluding Stone and Fasusi the last two that were worth a dang were Redmond and Mixon. OU doesn’t get production from 5stars. 4 upvotes 4 Ziharber Posted on Jul 13th, 4:18 PM, V I P, User Since 73 months ago, User Post Count: 4042 Jul 13th, 4:18 PMVIP 73 months 4042 The High School recruiting industry is about to go through a downsizing I think. It’s just not nearly as important as it used to be. 5 upvotes 5 Ziharber Posted on Jul 13th, 4:19 PM, V I P, User Since 73 months ago, User Post Count: 4042 Jul 13th, 4:19 PMVIP 73 months 4042 That list has a lot of busts as 5 stars. 6 upvotes 6 Pavesooner Posted on Jul 13th, 4:25 PM, V I P, User Since 285 months ago, User Post Count: 1551 Jul 13th, 4:25 PMVIP 285 months 1551 Ziharber said... (original post) That list has a lot of busts as 5 stars. show more Exactly.... 1 upvotes 1 Pavesooner Posted on Jul 13th, 4:26 PM, V I P, User Since 285 months ago, User Post Count: 1551 Jul 13th, 4:26 PMVIP 285 months 1551 Ziharber said... (original post) The High School recruiting industry is about to go through a downsizing I think. It’s just not nearly as important as it used to be. show more Agree, especially if they are demanding a bunch on money but unproven at the collegiate level....safer bet is to put the money on athletes that have proven to excel at this level... 2 upvotes 2 bison34 Posted on Jul 13th, 4:33 PM, V I P, User Since 176 months ago, User Post Count: 2411 Jul 13th, 4:33 PMVIP 176 months 2411 OU is either getting the wrong 5 stars, or not developing/controlling them. UGA, tOSU, Bama, even to a lesser extent than those 3, have hit big on 5 stars. OU missing a lot is a product of development and culture here. Some failed because OU failed them on the field, others because they failed to monitor and control them off the field. OU may have the worst hit rate % on 5 stars, and is a big reason why it has been almost 25 years since OU raised the natty. -4 downvotes -4 Lionhorse Posted on Jul 13th, 4:40 PM, V I P, User Since 55 months ago, User Post Count: 4633 Jul 13th, 4:40 PMVIP 55 months 4633 bison34 said... (original post) OU is either getting the wrong 5 stars, or not developing/controlling them. UGA, tOSU, Bama, even to a lesser extent than those 3, have hit big on ... show more How about your beloved okie state cowboys? 3 upvotes 3 Ziharber Posted on Jul 13th, 4:57 PM, V I P, User Since 73 months ago, User Post Count: 4042 Jul 13th, 4:57 PMVIP 73 months 4042 bison34 said... (original post) OU is either getting the wrong 5 stars, or not developing/controlling them. UGA, tOSU, Bama, even to a lesser extent than those 3, have hit big on ... show more Your a ******** idiot. 0 upvotes 0 OUfish81 Posted on Jul 13th, 5:03 PM, V I P, User Since 27 months ago, User Post Count: 4562 Jul 13th, 5:03 PMVIP 27 months 4562 Most of the 5 stars we recruited wouldn’t get by Nagy and his staff, as far as the type of kid they are looking for. 0 0 Blake AntkowiakStaff Posted on Jul 13th, 9:16 PM, V I P, User Since 26 months ago, User Post Count: 646 Jul 13th, 9:16 PMVIP 26 months 646 I probably should've put it in article form, but a few weeks ago I posted a quote from Nagy that said (and I'm heavily paraphrasing here) If OU has a guy rated as a 4 or 5 star but the recruiting sites don't, they're going to prioritize that prospect over one that recruiting sites are higher on. It's sort of that valuation vs evaulation thing. The goal is to get the most bang for your buck. 9 upvotes 9 Pavesooner Posted on Jul 13th, 9:27 PM, V I P, User Since 285 months ago, User Post Count: 1551 Jul 13th, 9:27 PMVIP 285 months 1551 bison34 said... (original post) OU is either getting the wrong 5 stars, or not developing/controlling them. UGA, tOSU, Bama, even to a lesser extent than those 3, have hit big on ... show more OUs 2000 team was filled with what would have been rated as mid level talent that played with heart, made each player to their left or right better and as a whole rose to the occasion....doubt we had a single 5 star on that team. 6 upvotes 6 jreddogtx Posted on Jul 13th, 9:47 PM, V I P, User Since 63 months ago, User Post Count: 8747 Jul 13th, 9:47 PMVIP 63 months 8747 Pavesooner said... (original post) OUs 2000 team was filled with what would have been rated as mid level talent that played with heart, made each player to their left or right bet... show more Per Google and AI : Star ratings for high school football recruits started gaining prominence around the early 2000s... another search said it began in 2002... upshot being star rankings and the 2000 chip have no relationship... I think kids were basically "blue chips" or not back in the stone age of the 1900's... LOL. I do remember back then, anyone in the Texas top 100 was considered a very good prospect... 0 0 CherokeeOkie Posted on Jul 13th, 10:39 PM, V I P, User Since 11 months ago, User Post Count: 1793 Jul 13th, 10:39 PMVIP 11 months 1793 The star system is nothing more than a construct of guys who have made money by awarding stars. Peel away that hide and what you got is not the bull but the bull sh**. 5 upvotes 5 Ziharber Posted on Jul 14th, 7:51 AM, V I P, User Since 73 months ago, User Post Count: 4042 Jul 14th, 7:51 AMVIP 73 months 4042 Pavesooner said... (original post) OUs 2000 team was filled with what would have been rated as mid level talent that played with heart, made each player to their left or right bet... show more He could care less, he just milks his bull on all fours and roots for stoolwater jc 2 upvotes 2 Ziharber Posted on Jul 14th, 7:54 AM, V I P, User Since 73 months ago, User Post Count: 4042 Jul 14th, 7:54 AMVIP 73 months 4042 Who has the experience of building a successful roster a GM like Nagy or these guys in the recruiting services? I’ll wait… 2 upvotes 2 Ziharber Posted on Jul 14th, 9:23 AM, V I P, User Since 73 months ago, User Post Count: 4042 Jul 14th, 9:23 AMVIP 73 months 4042 Blake Antkowiak said... (original post) I probably should've put it in article form, but a few weeks ago I posted a quote from Nagy that said (and I'm heavily paraphrasing here) I... show more Nagy has a proven track record of building rosters. The recruiting services not so much. 4 upvotes 4 LT4Sooners Posted on Jul 14th, 9:51 AM, V I P, User Since 119 months ago, User Post Count: 2361 Jul 14th, 9:51 AMVIP 119 months 2361 College football is where I’m focused so not too interested on who went on to become nfl greats. Teams loaded with four and five stars are winning nattys. Really hoping for a good year in 2025 so more of those can be pulled in. Just wish I had a billion so I could help out with NIL! 1 upvotes 1 Badger4Sooners Posted on Jul 14th, 10:33 AM, V I P, User Since 32 months ago, User Post Count: 1355 Jul 14th, 10:33 AMVIP 32 months 1355 Until there is a salary cap put in place. CFB teams will operate like MLB. Small market teams have to maximize the dollar while LA & NY can just buy any player they want. Get used to it until a CBA, a salary cap is installed and there is a limit on NIL per player. Otherwise you have teams like TT with billionaire donors who pay these kids unlimited amounts. 1 upvotes 1 SoonerDoug Posted on Jul 14th, 11:18 AM, V I P, User Since 285 months ago, User Post Count: 752 Jul 14th, 11:18 AMVIP 285 months 752 Our issue this year is very few 4 starts either. You ain't winning a natty on this year's recruiting if this becomes the norm 1 upvotes 1 JetDoc Posted on Jul 14th, 11:37 AM, V I P, User Since 187 months ago, User Post Count: 24273 Jul 14th, 11:37 AMVIP 187 months 24273 All these guessperts are doing by ranking a player a 2* to a 5* is saying they think this player or that player has the 'potential' to that good. There's no guarantees in recruiting although somone like Adrian Peterson or Tommy Harris, who wasn't on the above list, are a pretty sure can't miss player if anyone saw them in high school. There's too many 3* players who have ended up playing like 5* players to count with some ending up All American's and Heisman Trophy winners, i.e. Sam Bradford and Baker Mayfield. And this is just at OU, not to mention that this happens at a lot of schools. 1 upvotes 1 Bronco1970 Posted on Jul 14th, 11:53 AM, V I P, User Since 29 months ago, User Post Count: 1232 Jul 14th, 11:53 AMVIP 29 months 1232 it would have more meaning if they rated everyone like a kicker or punter......for their college time anyway This post was edited by Bronco1970 2 days ago 0 0 Rcsodak Posted on Jul 14th, 12:06 PM, V I P, User Since 233 months ago, User Post Count: 2223 Jul 14th, 12:06 PMVIP 233 months 2223 SoonerDoug said... (original post) Our issue this year is very few 4 starts either. You ain't winning a natty on this year's recruiting if this becomes the norm show more Just look at fcs teams. Full of 0-3*s. Then the kids portal into the highest paying big boys once they show their mettle. Hell, WSU is now referred to as SDSUW! Y'all need to relax. 1 upvotes 1 Pavesooner Posted on Jul 14th, 5:36 PM, V I P, User Since 285 months ago, User Post Count: 1551 Jul 14th, 5:36 PMVIP 285 months 1551 There is a big disparity between the ranking systems as well. one service we are 24th and here we are 34th.... https://www.on3.com/college/oklahoma-sooners/football/2026/industry-comparison-commits/ 1 upvotes 1 StuChains007 Posted on Jul 14th, 6:19 PM, V I P, User Since 85 months ago, User Post Count: 2710 Jul 14th, 6:19 PMVIP 85 months 2710 Ziharber said... (original post) Your a ******** idiot. show more Don’t be such a t w a t. What is your theory why this hasn’t panned out? Whether it has panned out for most of these or not is objective, not subject to opinion. These recruits were expected to become NFL level players. Most of them did not. Go ahead, we’re waiting. -1 downvotes -1 StuChains007 Posted on Jul 14th, 6:22 PM, V I P, User Since 85 months ago, User Post Count: 2710 Jul 14th, 6:22 PMVIP 85 months 2710 JetDoc said... (original post) All these guessperts are doing by ranking a player a 2* to a 5* is saying they think this player or that player has the 'potential' to that good. Th... show more It has been objectively shown that more 5 and 4 stars correlates with championships. The hit rate for 5 stars to go to the nfl is significant and higher than 4 stars. More percentage of 4 stars go to the nfl than percentage of 3 stars. These statistics have been done and support the recruiting services rankings as legitimate in predicting on field success for both the players and the teams. It is only mental gymnastics when y’all make it so. OU needs to get better players. Same story as before. Hide contents Ziharber Posted on Jul 14th, 7:21 PM, V I P, User Since 73 months ago, User Post Count: 4042 Jul 14th, 7:21 PMVIP 73 months 4042 StuChains007 said... (original post) Don’t be such a t w a t. What is your theory why this hasn’t panned out? Whether it has panned out for most of these or not is objective, not ... show more StuStrings.007 loves bison34 0 0 Rcsodak Posted on 22 hrs, V I P, User Since 233 months ago, User Post Count: 2223 22 hrsVIP 233 months 2223 StuChains007 said... (original post) It has been objectively shown that more 5 and 4 stars correlates with championships. The hit rate for 5 stars to go to the nfl is significant ... show more Who's service are you using for comparison sake? 24/7s ranking has for the most part, differed from ESPN, on3, er al. Why? Because they try to correlate to how the kids will be in the NFL, vs college (iirc). Now, who's ranking is Nagy using. And learn we forget about composite . IOW, one man's 7" ≠ another's 0 0 Arkasooner33 Posted on 11 hrs, V I P, User Since 22 months ago, User Post Count: 666 11 hrsVIP 22 months 666 Pavesooner said... (original post) OUs 2000 team was filled with what would have been rated as mid level talent that played with heart, made each player to their left or right bet... show more And almost no injuries that year. 1 upvotes 1 soonerlvr Posted on 3 hrs, V I P, User Since 251 months ago, User Post Count: 759 3 hrsVIP 251 months 759 NFL Advancement Rate from Top College Teams For elite programs (top 10 in college football), approximately 35–40% of scholarship players make it onto an NFL roster at some point. This rate is significantly higher than the national average for all Division I FBS players, which sits at about 1.6%. Data from Recruiting and Draft Analysis Among five-star recruits, the draft rate is about 58%—meaning more than half are selected in the NFL Draft. Teams consistently in the top 10 (e.g., Alabama, Georgia, Ohio State, LSU, Clemson) routinely see 35–45% of their scholarship players go on to the NFL, especially those who recruit at the highest level. The best programs for player development (measured by actual draft rate) include Alabama, Georgia, Penn State, Ohio State, LSU, Florida, and Clemson, with the highest variance above the national average. Table: Estimated NFL Advancement Rates Program Level Percentage Making NFL Roster Top 10 college teams 35–40% Five-star recruits 58% (drafted) All D-I FBS players 1.6% That thread supports my theory- numeracy is hard for most people.
July 23Jul 23 Popular Post Here we go, from Sooner Scoop, an explanation for “why recruiting is going like it is…” https://www.on3.com/boards/threads/2026-recruiting.7643212/ Spoiler quick synopsis; First, under BV leadership, OU has had 2 losing seasons in the past 3 years. OU got screwed with the SEC scheduling and BV made the wrong hire in Seth Littrell which led to the disaster of last season. Other colleges are using the program trajectory and BV job security as a way to negative recruit OU. secondly, Oklahoma recruiting strategy up to the start of the year has been selling the rich history of the program, development on and off the field, winning, Christian values/SOUL, and yes we pay a fair sum based off market value. Third, the 2026 class is extremely peculiar because typically college coaches are somewhat completely responsible for the entire life cycle of recruiting (from prospecting to signing and now retaining) and these relationships are formed over many years. With all the changes with NIL and revenue sharing and with the college game more resembling the NFL, Harroz, Joe C and Randall Stephenson decided to opt into NFL style college football program. Insert the GM. OU hired Nagy and co. Back in February to basically prospect, scout and assign a value to based off the position they play and need. BV and co. had already been forming relationships with the 2026 class since they stepped foot on campus 3+ years ago. Some recruits BV and co. had been recruiting for a long time and they had placed a high value on, aren’t as regarded as the GM office. Ex. Mason James. Basically BV and co. Built realationships with kids that Nagy and co. Saying they’re not worth the money to sign. Nagy is working with BV and staff on finding alternatives but as previously mentioned, the formation of relationships typically starts years previously. in conclusion other teams are effectively negative recruiting Oklahoma because OU has had 2 losing seasons in the past 3 years and with BV being on the hot seat it’s working. This entire recruiting cycle has also been flipped on it head because Nagy and co. are taking a money ball approach and has stuck a fork into some highly ranked recruits that the staff spent years forming relationships with because they don’t see their game, bodies, or athleticism transferring to the college/NFL game. Ex. Mason James. Staff is scrambling to form relationships quickly with guys they never recruited before and with how early recruits are committing this year, don’t expect a lot.
July 23Jul 23 35 minutes ago, statsman said: Here we go, from Sooner Scoop, an explanation for “why recruiting is going like it is…” https://www.on3.com/boards/threads/2026-recruiting.7643212/ Reveal hidden contents quick synopsis; First, under BV leadership, OU has had 2 losing seasons in the past 3 years. OU got screwed with the SEC scheduling and BV made the wrong hire in Seth Littrell which led to the disaster of last season. Other colleges are using the program trajectory and BV job security as a way to negative recruit OU. secondly, Oklahoma recruiting strategy up to the start of the year has been selling the rich history of the program, development on and off the field, winning, Christian values/SOUL, and yes we pay a fair sum based off market value. Third, the 2026 class is extremely peculiar because typically college coaches are somewhat completely responsible for the entire life cycle of recruiting (from prospecting to signing and now retaining) and these relationships are formed over many years. With all the changes with NIL and revenue sharing and with the college game more resembling the NFL, Harroz, Joe C and Randall Stephenson decided to opt into NFL style college football program. Insert the GM. OU hired Nagy and co. Back in February to basically prospect, scout and assign a value to based off the position they play and need. BV and co. had already been forming relationships with the 2026 class since they stepped foot on campus 3+ years ago. Some recruits BV and co. had been recruiting for a long time and they had placed a high value on, aren’t as regarded as the GM office. Ex. Mason James. Basically BV and co. Built realationships with kids that Nagy and co. Saying they’re not worth the money to sign. Nagy is working with BV and staff on finding alternatives but as previously mentioned, the formation of relationships typically starts years previously. in conclusion other teams are effectively negative recruiting Oklahoma because OU has had 2 losing seasons in the past 3 years and with BV being on the hot seat it’s working. This entire recruiting cycle has also been flipped on it head because Nagy and co. are taking a money ball approach and has stuck a fork into some highly ranked recruits that the staff spent years forming relationships with because they don’t see their game, bodies, or athleticism transferring to the college/NFL game. Ex. Mason James. Staff is scrambling to form relationships quickly with guys they never recruited before and with how early recruits are committing this year, don’t expect a lot. Whoa, watch out world. Nagy has moneyball'd college football. Edited July 23Jul 23 by Bevo14
July 23Jul 23 19 minutes ago, statsman said: Here we go, from Sooner Scoop, an explanation for “why recruiting is going like it is…” https://www.on3.com/boards/threads/2026-recruiting.7643212/ Hide contents quick synopsis; First, under BV leadership, OU has had 2 losing seasons in the past 3 years. OU got screwed with the SEC scheduling and BV made the wrong hire in Seth Littrell which led to the disaster of last season. Other colleges are using the program trajectory and BV job security as a way to negative recruit OU. secondly, Oklahoma recruiting strategy up to the start of the year has been selling the rich history of the program, development on and off the field, winning, Christian values/SOUL, and yes we pay a fair sum based off market value. Third, the 2026 class is extremely peculiar because typically college coaches are somewhat completely responsible for the entire life cycle of recruiting (from prospecting to signing and now retaining) and these relationships are formed over many years. With all the changes with NIL and revenue sharing and with the college game more resembling the NFL, Harroz, Joe C and Randall Stephenson decided to opt into NFL style college football program. Insert the GM. OU hired Nagy and co. Back in February to basically prospect, scout and assign a value to based off the position they play and need. BV and co. had already been forming relationships with the 2026 class since they stepped foot on campus 3+ years ago. Some recruits BV and co. had been recruiting for a long time and they had placed a high value on, aren’t as regarded as the GM office. Ex. Mason James. Basically BV and co. Built realationships with kids that Nagy and co. Saying they’re not worth the money to sign. Nagy is working with BV and staff on finding alternatives but as previously mentioned, the formation of relationships typically starts years previously. in conclusion other teams are effectively negative recruiting Oklahoma because OU has had 2 losing seasons in the past 3 years and with BV being on the hot seat it’s working. This entire recruiting cycle has also been flipped on it head because Nagy and co. are taking a money ball approach and has stuck a fork into some highly ranked recruits that the staff spent years forming relationships with because they don’t see their game, bodies, or athleticism transferring to the college/NFL game. Ex. Mason James. Staff is scrambling to form relationships quickly with guys they never recruited before and with how early recruits are committing this year, don’t expect a lot. Whoever was "somewhat completely responsible" for that post needs to be beaten upside the head with a copy of Strunk and White.
July 23Jul 23 34 minutes ago, statsman said: OU hired Nagy and co. Back in February to basically prospect, scout and assign a value to based off the position they play and need. BV and co. had already been forming relationships with the 2026 class since they stepped foot on campus 3+ years ago. Some recruits BV and co. had been recruiting for a long time and they had placed a high value on, aren’t as regarded as the GM office. Ex. Mason James. Basically BV and co. Built realationships with kids that Nagy and co. Saying they’re not worth the money to sign. lol. Was this written by Venables? Everything would be going great because of the relationships he had established, if not for those meddling kids.
July 23Jul 23 1 minute ago, Texas Wahoo said: lol. Was this written by Venables? Everything would be going great because of the relationships he had established, if not for those meddling kids. They don’t like the world the way it is now. They want it to be like it used to be. They know they are at a disadvantage, are pissed at their program’s leaders for not navigating this better, and can’t believe the rest of college football can possibly be ok with a world where OU struggles to compete.
July 23Jul 23 So OU struggling always makes me happy. Got to thinking about when Riley left and lots of stuff makes more sense. Lots said he didn’t want to compete in SEC. Maybe he saw the financial issues keeping him from recruiting at a high level. Just a thought
July 23Jul 23 9 minutes ago, Shaddie said: So OU struggling always makes me happy. Got to thinking about when Riley left and lots of stuff makes more sense. Lots said he didn’t want to compete in SEC. Maybe he saw the financial issues keeping him from recruiting at a high level. Just a thought No, Riley's a dumbass, a pussy, and should be forced to live in El Segundo the rest of his life.
July 23Jul 23 Popular Post What’s so funny about the “money ball” approach is that it’s what literally every school that’s not Texas, Ohio State, Georgia, Bama, Miami, etc. already does and has been doing for years. Credit to Nagy for thinking up the “what if we just recruited three stars but only ones that are are good” strategy. Can’t wait to see how that turns out.
July 24Jul 24 It’s fun at them, but this exactly what they should be doing. Keep their powder dry for the portal. Fasusi recruitments are going to happen. His Mama thought Austin was the devil, and OU took advantage. As Burton astutely pointed out, if Nagy was good he would be in a NFL front office. No one willing works for the Senior Bowl was 7 years.
July 24Jul 24 44 minutes ago, Jimmy Two Times said: What’s so funny about the “money ball” approach is that it’s what literally every school that’s not Texas, Ohio State, Georgia, Bama, Miami, etc. already does and has been doing for years. Credit to Nagy for thinking up the “what if we just recruited three stars but only ones that are are good” strategy. Can’t wait to see how that turns out. I don’t k ow how significant this is, but Nagy’s Moneyball scout staff lists six scouts on their website. Texas’ site shows 11 scouts.
July 24Jul 24 No, Riley's a dumbass, a pussy, and should be forced to live in El Segundo the rest of his life.
July 24Jul 24 2 hours ago, statsman said: Here we go, from Sooner Scoop, an explanation for “why recruiting is going like it is…” https://www.on3.com/boards/threads/2026-recruiting.7643212/ Hide contents quick synopsis; First, under BV leadership, OU has had 2 losing seasons in the past 3 years. OU got screwed with the SEC scheduling and BV made the wrong hire in Seth Littrell which led to the disaster of last season. Other colleges are using the program trajectory and BV job security as a way to negative recruit OU. secondly, Oklahoma recruiting strategy up to the start of the year has been selling the rich history of the program, development on and off the field, winning, Christian values/SOUL, and yes we pay a fair sum based off market value. Third, the 2026 class is extremely peculiar because typically college coaches are somewhat completely responsible for the entire life cycle of recruiting (from prospecting to signing and now retaining) and these relationships are formed over many years. With all the changes with NIL and revenue sharing and with the college game more resembling the NFL, Harroz, Joe C and Randall Stephenson decided to opt into NFL style college football program. Insert the GM. OU hired Nagy and co. Back in February to basically prospect, scout and assign a value to based off the position they play and need. BV and co. had already been forming relationships with the 2026 class since they stepped foot on campus 3+ years ago. Some recruits BV and co. had been recruiting for a long time and they had placed a high value on, aren’t as regarded as the GM office. Ex. Mason James. Basically BV and co. Built realationships with kids that Nagy and co. Saying they’re not worth the money to sign. Nagy is working with BV and staff on finding alternatives but as previously mentioned, the formation of relationships typically starts years previously. in conclusion other teams are effectively negative recruiting Oklahoma because OU has had 2 losing seasons in the past 3 years and with BV being on the hot seat it’s working. This entire recruiting cycle has also been flipped on it head because Nagy and co. are taking a money ball approach and has stuck a fork into some highly ranked recruits that the staff spent years forming relationships with because they don’t see their game, bodies, or athleticism transferring to the college/NFL game. Ex. Mason James. Staff is scrambling to form relationships quickly with guys they never recruited before and with how early recruits are committing this year, don’t expect a lot. Hahahahahaha. HOLY FUCKING SHIT!!!
July 24Jul 24 1 hour ago, Shaddie said: So OU struggling always makes me happy. Got to thinking about when Riley left and lots of stuff makes more sense. Lots said he didn’t want to compete in SEC. Maybe he saw the financial issues keeping him from recruiting at a high level. Just a thought He attempted to cook a brisket on a Coleman stove. You're giving him to much credit
July 24Jul 24 32 minutes ago, statsman said: I don’t k ow how significant this is, but Nagy’s Moneyball scout staff lists six scouts on their website. Texas’ site shows 11 scouts. Probably pretty fuckin significant because he’d need a team of 6000 scouts to compete with our current roster building by identifying under recruited three stars.
July 24Jul 24 Author 4 minutes ago, SL Xpress said: So OU can be the Oakland A's of college football. I'm okay with that. They're going to try to move to a city that doesn't have the money to build them a stadium and get stuck being just "Sooners"?
July 24Jul 24 I think that Venables had to have written that. So there is no mention of prioritizing Jackson Arnold over Dillon Gabriel? That seems like kind of a big miss to me.
July 24Jul 24 On 7/15/2025 at 10:50 PM, Chili dog said: Just stopping in to remind everyone of how poorly recruiting is going for these clowns and how heartwarming it is to see them get what they deserve. Ranked 34 right now in the composite, I believe. Maybe they should see if they can buy some brisket from Lincoln Riley to hand out recruits. Sadly for them, that would be a bigger draw than Captain Firehose
July 24Jul 24 5 hours ago, statsman said: Here we go, from Sooner Scoop, an explanation for “why recruiting is going like it is…” https://www.on3.com/boards/threads/2026-recruiting.7643212/ Reveal hidden contents quick synopsis; First, under BV leadership, OU has had 2 losing seasons in the past 3 years. OU got screwed with the SEC scheduling and BV made the wrong hire in Seth Littrell which led to the disaster of last season. Other colleges are using the program trajectory and BV job security as a way to negative recruit OU. secondly, Oklahoma recruiting strategy up to the start of the year has been selling the rich history of the program, development on and off the field, winning, Christian values/SOUL, and yes we pay a fair sum based off market value. Third, the 2026 class is extremely peculiar because typically college coaches are somewhat completely responsible for the entire life cycle of recruiting (from prospecting to signing and now retaining) and these relationships are formed over many years. With all the changes with NIL and revenue sharing and with the college game more resembling the NFL, Harroz, Joe C and Randall Stephenson decided to opt into NFL style college football program. Insert the GM. OU hired Nagy and co. Back in February to basically prospect, scout and assign a value to based off the position they play and need. BV and co. had already been forming relationships with the 2026 class since they stepped foot on campus 3+ years ago. Some recruits BV and co. had been recruiting for a long time and they had placed a high value on, aren’t as regarded as the GM office. Ex. Mason James. Basically BV and co. Built realationships with kids that Nagy and co. Saying they’re not worth the money to sign. Nagy is working with BV and staff on finding alternatives but as previously mentioned, the formation of relationships typically starts years previously. in conclusion other teams are effectively negative recruiting Oklahoma because OU has had 2 losing seasons in the past 3 years and with BV being on the hot seat it’s working. This entire recruiting cycle has also been flipped on it head because Nagy and co. are taking a money ball approach and has stuck a fork into some highly ranked recruits that the staff spent years forming relationships with because they don’t see their game, bodies, or athleticism transferring to the college/NFL game. Ex. Mason James. Staff is scrambling to form relationships quickly with guys they never recruited before and with how early recruits are committing this year, don’t expect a lot. Just a slow moving train wreck. Venables might be worse than John Blake. At least Blake could recruit well.
July 24Jul 24 On 7/16/2025 at 11:10 AM, Post Oak said: Tyler's offer list. That's a whole bunch of white boy schools.
July 24Jul 24 10 minutes ago, irishtexan said: That's a whole bunch of white boy schools. He must have thought it was white boy day or something.
July 24Jul 24 5 minutes ago, Mr. Drummond said: They are going to be Arkansas. And I'm here for it. If that’s what they become, and we beat them most of the time, after a few decades i might start to yearn for the days of a competitive rivalry that feels great to win as usually says something about where your season is headed. but in a few decades I’ll be dead so it won’t be a problem.
July 24Jul 24 I think that Venables had to have written that. So there is no mention of prioritizing Jackson Arnold over Dillon Gabriel? That seems like kind of a big miss to me. The sooner history rewrite is that Gabriel left on his own but bv wanted him to stay. Source: my sooner fan father in law.
July 24Jul 24 56 minutes ago, Chango said: The sooner history rewrite is that Gabriel left on his own but bv wanted him to stay. Source: my sooner fan father in law. I don't see how that makes it any better....
July 24Jul 24 1 hour ago, Chango said: The sooner history rewrite is that Gabriel left on his own but bv wanted him to stay. Source: my sooner fan father in law. We have contemporaneous posts at the time of Gabriel's departure discussing what was happening at OU, sourced from people involved with NIL, OU, and the CFB world in general. Tell your FIL he's full of shit.
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