December 6, 20241 yr 24 minutes ago, workswithseed said: Pol Pot? Marx? Robespierre? God. "The path of the righteous man is beset on all sides by the iniquities of the selfish and the tyranny of evil men. Blessed is he, who in the name of charity and good will, shepherds the weak through the valley of darkness, for he is truly his brother’s keeper and the finder of lost children. And I will strike down upon thee with great vengeance and furious anger those who would attempt to poison and destroy my brothers. And you will know my name is the Lord when I lay my vengeance upon thee."
December 6, 20241 yr 10 hours ago, Beau Vine said: I wonder how the other senior execs at UHC are feeling about having the top office open now? Probably piling in to claim it like a pack of Flying Monkeys chasing Dorothy.
December 6, 20241 yr 27 minutes ago, bolverk said: God. "The path of the righteous man is beset on all sides by the iniquities of the selfish and the tyranny of evil men. Blessed is he, who in the name of charity and good will, shepherds the weak through the valley of darkness, for he is truly his brother’s keeper and the finder of lost children. And I will strike down upon thee with great vengeance and furious anger those who would attempt to poison and destroy my brothers. And you will know my name is the Lord when I lay my vengeance upon thee." You think he said Samuel L. Jackson to the barrista? Edited December 6, 20241 yr by workswithseed Muledick
December 6, 20241 yr I've seen still photos of David Muir, but I have honestly never seen him do a telecast until this clip. Does he alway deliver the news in partial profile and is there something wrong with his right arm?
December 6, 20241 yr 1 minute ago, workswithseed said: You he said Samuel L. Jackson to the barrista? English, Motherfucker. Do you speak it?
December 6, 20241 yr If I were the pigs, I'd keep a close eye on the hostel. He's probably there now fucking the girl that ask him to lower his mask.
December 6, 20241 yr 1 minute ago, 0xdeadbeef said: I've seen still photos of David Muir, but I have honestly never seen him do a telecast until this clip. Does he alway deliver the news in partial profile and is there something wrong with his right arm? Bastard son of Lee Corso
December 6, 20241 yr 6 minutes ago, 0xdeadbeef said: I've seen still photos of David Muir, but I have honestly never seen him do a telecast until this clip. Does he alway deliver the news in partial profile and is there something wrong with his right arm? He has a huge noggin.
December 6, 20241 yr 9 hours ago, Hate said: Can we get a matrix on agreeable reasons to murder a CEO? Can it also be applied to other C-suite execs? Rubric imo
December 6, 20241 yr Does anyone here foresee his getting captured, sent to trial and then being acquitted because several of the jurors will have been denied coverage by UHC or their own healthcare plan? I put the odds at -800 on an acquittal of murder. This seems like it will be like some murders that occurred in the Japanese army more than a century ago where underlings killed those in power because they were harming people through their actions. Edited December 6, 20241 yr by UpperWestside
December 6, 20241 yr 1 hour ago, RDCanecutter said: That's the way kids roll these days-- always keep the backpack on, never take it off. By "kids" I'm assuming you mean nefarious youth that have drugs and a gun on them.
December 6, 20241 yr 1 hour ago, jettrink said: If I were the pigs, I'd keep a close eye on the hostel. He's probably there now fucking the girl that ask him to lower his mask. I know I would be. 1 hour ago, Pato del Muerto said: Rubric imo
December 6, 20241 yr 3 minutes ago, ztejas said: By "kids" I'm assuming you mean nefarious youth that have drugs and a gun on them. You’ve been speeding running becoming a whiny 70 year old lately
December 6, 20241 yr 16 minutes ago, VinceYoungScores said: ARA has been out of network with UHC for years. FWIW, ARA has been PE owned for five years.
December 6, 20241 yr 9 minutes ago, Helobious said: You’ve been speeding running becoming a whiny 70 year old lately Have a couple twisted teas tonight did ya?
December 6, 20241 yr Popular Post Craziest part of the story is the investor meeting started on time an hour later, and the stock went up 2 percent. America.
December 6, 20241 yr 14 minutes ago, royiv said: ARA has been PE owned for five years. how is that legal
December 6, 20241 yr Popular Post 4 hours ago, bolverk said: I'm several hours behind because I've been driving all day and have just finished settling into my humble abode, so apologies if this has already been addressed. Everything you've said here is total bullshit. Other industrialized Western nations with universal coverage spend about HALF the amount on healthcare we do (18% of GDP in the US vs. 9% across most of Europe), but they have BETTER patient outcomes. I've noted the comments on the British system (hospitals: government-owned, healthcare providers: government employees), which is widely viewed as one of the worst systems in Western Europe. I think Canada has pretty much the same model. But guess what? Both are still doing better than we are. As for myself, I have personal experience with the French system and received excellent care with zero wait time. They blow us out of the fucking water. There, the hospitals and healthcare providers are generally private, but the insurance is government-provided. Multiple models of managing all this exist, but we've somehow chosen the absolutely WORST option and have gaslighted ourselves by thinking we've got it good here. Again, it's fucking bullshit. Profiteering off sick and/or dying people is depraved, immoral, and anti-Christian (for those of you who are believers). Once upon a time, I lost my insulin and syringes in paris on my way to cannes when on vacation. I discovered this around dinnertime with a week left on my vacation. I was in trouble. I had no prescription on me. I explained my predicament to the hotel concierge, and they explained how my problem could be resolved. 1. Take a taxi to the hospital. Concierge called the taxi. 2. Taxi dropped me off at the hospital where I explained my situation to a nurse who didn’t speak english, and I didn’t speak french. Someone in the waiting room acted as the translator. Nurse wrote me a prescription without any hassle. Just took my word (translated) for it. 3. A security guy at the hospital called me a taxi to go to the police station. Since it was after hours, the police were the only people authorized to access a pharmacy. 4. I went to the police station and explain my predicament. The cop called the pharmacy and called a taxi for me. 5. Taxi took me to the pharmacy and opened it just for me and sold me my two types of insulin. 6. I walked went to dinner astounded that this entire process took less time than my normal visit to my endocrinologist. Charge for hospital to write me a prescription = $0 Charge for cop to call the pharmacy = $0 charge for pharmacy to sell me my two types of insulin = $10 Anyone complaining about the french model or french service is a fool. Edited December 6, 20241 yr by GenXer
December 6, 20241 yr This dude isn't the top CEO of his company. United Health Care is a subsidiary of United Health Group. Not disregarding the Arthur Blank angle here, but it looks like a job that cost money. And people don't typically spend money on killing people for altruistic reasons.
December 6, 20241 yr 31 minutes ago, ztejas said: By "kids" I'm assuming you mean nefarious youth that have drugs and a gun on them. Well, obviously them too. I meant a whole lot of them. Just keep the backpacks on like some encrustation of slime on their hunched-over little bodies. Source: time spent teaching 13th graders.
December 6, 20241 yr 4 minutes ago, chainsaw said: how is that legal ARA is a private company. RadPartners is a PE backed roll-up. They use PE money to purchase a local company. Perfectly legal. Whether or not you like it is a different question.
December 6, 20241 yr 6 minutes ago, royiv said: ARA is a private company. RadPartners is a PE backed roll-up. They use PE money to purchase a local company. Perfectly legal. Whether or not you like it is a different question. can non-doctors own a medical practice?
December 6, 20241 yr Author 11 minutes ago, GenXer said: Once upon a time, I lost my insulin and syringes in paris on my way to cannes when on vacation. I discovered this around dinnertime with a week left on my vacation. I was in trouble. I had no prescription on me. I explained my predicament to the hotel concierge, and they explained how my problem could be resolved. 1. Take a taxi to the hospital. Concierge called the taxi. 2. Taxi dropped me off at the hospital where I explained my situation to a nurse who didn’t speak english, and I didn’t speak french. Someone in the waiting room acted as the translator. Nurse wrote me a prescription without any hassle. Just took my word (translated) for it. 3. A security guy at the hospital called me a taxi to go to the police station. Since it was after hours, the police were the only people authorized to access a pharmacy. 4. I went to the police station and explain my predicament. The cop called the pharmacy and called a taxi for me. 5. Taxi took me to the pharmacy and opened it just for me and sold me my two types of insulin. 6. I walked went to dinner astounded that this entire process took less time than my normal visit to my endocrinologist. Charge for hospital to write me a prescription = $0 Charge for cop to call the pharmacy = $0 charge for pharmacy to sell me my two types of insulin = $10 Anyone complaining about the french model or french service is a fool. Except for all the frenchmen who contracted aids due to the tainted gov't blood supply. That number was 4700.
December 6, 20241 yr I agree 95% with the sentiment on these 12 pages. However in the interest of fairness and since everyone else is giving anecdotal insights, I do want to give UHC props. I have a gentic disorder and I live in Texas. I have an aunt who has the the same one who lives in the London area. I've had Anthem, BCBSTX, Aetna and UHC. Getting coverage of a biologic that I need 3x a year has been infinitely easier with UHC. They approved it the first time without appeal or needing to harrass my specialists with interviews and gave me the name brand. The other insurers were horrible. Constant denials and appeals and then finally approving with a biologic similiar (generic I guess?) and on a more elongated schedule, 2x a year versus the 3, than requested by my docs. My aunt in London and dealing with the NHS? Horror stories. Very basic care and medicine (generic, low efficacy and therapeutic relief pills versus the very expensive infusion therapies) and the wait if you are ever approved is so bad. She had to go on their version of disability because she couldn't get access in a timely way to function at even a mid-level. She's doing fine now after having had to spend a few years at the front of this disease getting it into a remission state, but there was suffering and loss, etc. from not being able to flex. I should also add she's not wealthy and very middle class and working class. All that to say, NHS is amazing for the flu or covid or insulin. It's amazing for 90% of the healthcare population. But if you have a rare or aggressive and specialized disease and need specialists and expensive meds (the vast, vast minority) there is no better healthcare than in the U.S.
December 6, 20241 yr 1 minute ago, Bevo said: Except for all the frenchmen who contracted aids due to the tainted gov't blood supply. That number was 4700. During the peak of Covid mismanagement, we called that "Tuesday."
December 6, 20241 yr Author 1 minute ago, chainsaw said: can non-doctors own a medical practice? State dependent but not in Texas.
December 6, 20241 yr Popular Post 4 minutes ago, GenXer said: Once upon a time, I lost my insulin and syringes in paris on my way to cannes when on vacation. I discovered this around dinnertime with a week left on my vacation. I was in trouble. I had no prescription on me. I explained my predicament to the hotel concierge, and they explained how my problem could be resolved. 1. Take a taxi to the hospital. Concierge called the taxi. 2. Taxi dropped me off at the hospital where I explained my situation to a nurse who didn’t speak english, and I didn’t speak french. Someone in the waiting room acted as the translator. Nurse wrote me a prescription without any hassle. Just took my word (translated) for it. 3. A security guy at the hospital called me a taxi to go to the police station. Since it was after hours, the police were the only people authorized to access a pharmacy. 4. I went to the police station and explain my predicament. The cop called the pharmacy and called a taxi for me. 5. Taxi took me to the pharmacy and opened it just for me and sold me my two types of insulin. 6. I walked went to dinner astounded that this entire process took less time than my normal visit to my endocrinologist. Charge for hospital to write me a prescription without any = $0 Charge for cop to call the pharmacy = $0 charge for pharmacy to sell me my two tupes of insulin = $10 Anyone complaining about the french model or french service is a fool. The French model rocks. Worked there for a year, got real French health plan. My agent, a helpful communist gentleman well on his way to looking like Willy Nelson, was surprised that I didn't do the maybe 15 Euro/month upgrade that would provide me with a private hospital room. Nah, I was in France to talk to people and learn the language, I wanted a hospital roomie. Had to visit local GP to prove I wasn't a danger to the Health of ze République. (In French fashion this was required after I'd already worked there for months, hopefully not spreading plague.) Doc looked me up and down, and told me that some people were built to play rugby, and I was not. So stop playing rugby. 15 Euros. Mama Canecutter came to visit, fell down stairs, hurt her foot. Hotel called a doctor, who made a housecall, apologetically billed us about 20 Euros because she wasn't in the system, and we hobbled around the corner to a pharmacy where they made the ankle brace he prescribed for peanuts, they doted on her, and she was right as rain. In fact, French pharmacies do lots of consulting that here would require a Doc-in-the-Box. You walk in, tell em what hurts, and they'll lay out a few choices and you pick the one you want. Done deal.
December 6, 20241 yr we also have them to thank for this nifty device used for influencing the ruling class
December 6, 20241 yr 14 minutes ago, RDCanecutter said: The French model rocks. Worked there for a year, got real French health plan. My agent, a helpful communist gentleman well on his way to looking like Willy Nelson, was surprised that I didn't do the maybe 15 Euro/month upgrade that would provide me with a private hospital room. Nah, I was in France to talk to people and learn the language, I wanted a hospital roomie. Had to visit local GP to prove I wasn't a danger to the Health of ze République. (In French fashion this was required after I'd already worked there for months, hopefully not spreading plague.) Doc looked me up and down, and told me that some people were built to play rugby, and I was not. So stop playing rugby. 15 Euros. Mama Canecutter came to visit, fell down stairs, hurt her foot. Hotel called a doctor, who made a housecall, apologetically billed us about 20 Euros because she wasn't in the system, and we hobbled around the corner to a pharmacy where they made the ankle brace he prescribed for peanuts, they doted on her, and she was right as rain. In fact, French pharmacies do lots of consulting that here would require a Doc-in-the-Box. You walk in, tell em what hurts, and they'll lay out a few choices and you pick the one you want. Done deal. Never gets old.
December 6, 20241 yr 25 minutes ago, chainsaw said: can non-doctors own a medical practice? Yes 23 minutes ago, Bevo said: State dependent but not in Texas. @Bevo Google the friendly physician model.
December 6, 20241 yr 9 minutes ago, GenXer said: Once upon a time, I lost my insulin and syringes in paris on my way to cannes when on vacation. I discovered this around dinnertime with a week left on my vacation. I was in trouble. I had no prescription on me. I explained my predicament to the hotel concierge, and they explained how my problem could be resolved. 1. Take a taxi to the hospital. Concierge called the taxi. 2. Taxi dropped me off at the hospital where I explained my situation to a nurse who didn’t speak english, and I didn’t speak french. Someone in the waiting room acted as the translator. Nurse wrote me a prescription without any hassle. Just took my word (translated) for it. 3. A security guy at the hospital called me a taxi to go to the police station. Since it was after hours, the police were the only people authorized to access a pharmacy. 4. I went to the police station and explain my predicament. The cop called the pharmacy and called a taxi for me. 5. Taxi took me to the pharmacy and opened it just for me and sold me my two types of insulin. 6. I walked went to dinner astounded that this entire process took less time than my normal visit to my endocrinologist. Charge for hospital to write me a prescription = $0 Charge for cop to call the pharmacy = $0 charge for pharmacy to sell me my two types of insulin = $10 Anyone complaining about the french model or french service is a fool. My situation wasn't nearly as urgent, but the experience was similar. I was a student there, living with a host family. After about a week of incessant horrible coughing that kept me (and the host family) up at night and was feverish and wheezing throughout the day, they insisted on taking me to see a doctor. I was kind of apprehensive because I had very limited funds and wasn't sure I'd be able to afford care. They assured me that I shouldn't worry about it since the national insurance would cover about 90% of any expense and the remainder would be out-of-pocket. Even the thought of paying 10% made me a bit nervous because, again, I was a poor. They helped me make an appointment to see a doc, and I saw one the next day. It turns out that I had a bad case of bronchitis that was verging on pneumonia. I was prescribed some antibiotics for about 50 francs (10 bucks at the time) AND was then referred to some sort of physical therapist to see for a few weeks, where I was placed on a type of massage table on which I was placed in a prone position with my upper body pointed downward. She would pound on and massage my back to help me expectorate phlegm and lung gunk. Never paid a dime for that treatment. It was sort of weird and felt a bit "quacky," but it really helped, and I was right as rain within 2 weeks. Never paid a dime for those free Swedish massages. ***** @Bevo It's funny that you don't mention Ryan White and the thousands of other Americans who were also infected with HIV/AIDS by tainted blood in the US during the same period.
December 6, 20241 yr 2 hours ago, UpperWestside said: Does anyone here foresee his getting captured, sent to trial and then being acquitted because several of the jurors will have been denied coverage by UHC or their own healthcare plan? I put the odds at -800 on an acquittal of murder. This seems like it will be like some murders that occurred in the Japanese army more than a century ago where underlings killed those in power because they were harming people through their actions. So like the health insurance version of Runaway Jury!
December 6, 20241 yr 27 minutes ago, Bevo said: State dependent but not in Texas. Google: Village Optum One Medical USAP RadPartners OBHG
December 6, 20241 yr Fuck this hoodie wearing, greyhound riding, e-bike riding pussy. I don't care what coverage he or his loved ones was denied. What a complete fuckwad. Edited December 6, 20241 yr by ClubWhatever
December 6, 20241 yr 20 hours ago, Hefeweizen said: Two good friends are CEOs of big corporations. Not insurance or what I would consider evil companies, but I have a feeling some serious risk assessment is coming down the road. The times they are a changing. They could start by not taking so goddamn much money.
December 6, 20241 yr 6 hours ago, DaysOff said: Craziest part of the story is the investor meeting started on time an hour later, and the stock went up 2 percent. America. I'm still pondering UHC ordering the hit. Then again, no way their triggerman would have been on time... Edited December 6, 20241 yr by Iceman
December 6, 20241 yr Author 6 hours ago, royiv said: Google: Village Optum One Medical USAP RadPartners OBHG If you want to give a detailed answer to the guy's question be my guest. However, I am sure that won't keep pedantics from arguing. Non-physicians can't practice medicine or make medical decisions in Texas. MSOs do exist so yes, it is possible through specific organizational structures to get around the state laws. And I'm pretty sure USAP who you mentioned above (despite having capital partners Berkshire, Stowe, etc) is also owned by its physician partners, who are the largest shareholder group and maintain clinical governance of their practices.
December 6, 20241 yr 2 hours ago, TwiceHorn said: They could start by not taking so goddamn much money. You mean their board could actually set their compensation at a reasonable level? Because that’s where the break occurs. CEOs don’t set their own salaries.
December 6, 20241 yr 11 hours ago, Fudge Nuggets said: Based on the info that came out about the unspent rounds, that wasn't carelessness... it was a message. He wrote those words on the shell cases that were going to be extracted and ejected even if his gun cycled perfectly. If you watch the video, he clearly wasn’t expecting this level of malfunction. He’d probably never fired this pistol suppressed.
December 6, 20241 yr 7 hours ago, Vegas64 said: But if you have a rare or aggressive and specialized disease and need specialists and expensive meds (the vast, vast minority) there is no better healthcare than in the U.S. Unless you’re with the majority of insurers whom you described as “horrible.” You found one that happened to give you good service in an admittedly rare circumstance, when none of the others did. Not exactly a ringing endorsement of our healthcare system.
December 6, 20241 yr 25 minutes ago, B00M said: He wrote those words on the shell cases that were going to be extracted and ejected even if his gun cycled perfectly. If you watch the video, he clearly wasn’t expecting this level of malfunction. He’d probably never fired this pistol suppressed. I saw something yesterday that said the gun did not malfunction, it is actually designed to be manually cycled after each shot. And that it was a rare enough gun that they could track where it was purchased fairly easy and they were already looking at a shop in Connecticut.
December 6, 20241 yr Just now, High Plains Drifter said: If this guy ever gets caught I'll donate to his go fund me defense. So you're saying WorksWithSeed is the shooter???
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