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2024 SEC Championship Game: Texas vs. Georgia - 3pm on ABC

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8 minutes ago, Texzilla58 said:

This absolutely reflects the the emotions of the head coach.  They were nervous because the coach was nervous.  Reflected in the terrible playcalling and red zone failures, the special teams fails. The team wasn’t mentally prepared for this stage. Kirby won this game with better coaching.

Probably some truth to this. Smart has won it all multiple times and competed for it. Whether it's prep or play calling, he's doing something Sark isn't. And I think Sark is awesome. He just needs to get over that last hump. Hell, then he may win 3 or 4 titles here. It could be a dynasty.

Even "luck," like so many bounces going their way, is an attitude of winning, and a refusal to lose.

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3 hours ago, Ghost of Shag said:

First thought when I woke up this morning: Two fades is the best we’ve got?”

Losing hurts. Losing to a team you dominate is maddening.

I HATE THE FUCKING FADE AT THE GOAL LINE.  It is such a bullshit call that is rarely completed in college and certainly by us.

Really glad they correctly overturned the Makuba targeting. It looked bad, but maybe don’t run your QB if you don’t want him taking shots. 
 

Losing Makuba for the first half of the first playoff round would have sucked. 

Blame game:

1. Bert

2. Banks not knowing a fake punt is coming with the backup punter

3. The worst fumble luck of all time

4. Ewers/Sark in the redzone

5. PK not knowing what a QB draw is

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2 minutes ago, Hookem2147 said:

Blame game:

1. Bert

2. Banks not knowing a fake punt is coming with the backup punter

3. The worst fumble luck of all time

4. Ewers/Sark in the redzone

5. PK not knowing what a QB draw is

The Bert (#1) problem does not exist if Ewers and Sark can figure their shit out in the red zone (#4). 

The silver lining of the shitty red zone play is that we are absolutely sure Bert is not the guy and we need to get ourselves a new kicker for next year ASAP. 

7 minutes ago, Hookem2147 said:

Blame game:

1. Bert

2. Banks not knowing a fake punt is coming with the backup punter

3. The worst fumble luck of all time

4. Ewers/Sark in the redzone

5. PK not knowing what a QB draw is

I would add PK not pressuring the backup QB immediately when he came in. That first drive gave him confidence and a touchdown. 

When was the last time Texas had a kicker that didn’t end up kicking in the pros?

1975?

Bert has been bailed out by our O and D before.  This is the first time(maybe there was one his first year) that the game really did come down to his misses.   Georgia would have gone for it on 4th had we been up 6 but I'd take our D in that situation all day long.

2 minutes ago, NeverMarryAStripper said:

When was the last time Texas had a kicker that didn’t end up kicking in the pros?

Fera?

2 minutes ago, CTC2 said:

I would add PK not pressuring the backup QB immediately when he came in. That first drive gave him confidence and a touchdown. 

In that the drive that would’ve been 3rd and 8, but Burke lined up offsides and turned it into 2nd and 3?

1 minute ago, CTC2 said:

I would add PK not pressuring the backup QB immediately when he came in. That first drive gave him confidence and a touchdown. 

UGA was running the ball and swing passes to their back for good chuncks , blitzing didn't do much.  

7 minutes ago, MrBig said:

The Bert (#1) problem does not exist if Ewers and Sark can figure their shit out in the red zone (#4). 

The silver lining of the shitty red zone play is that we are absolutely sure Bert is not the guy and we need to get ourselves a new kicker for next year ASAP. 

A 3-year starting college kicker should be hitting 41 yarders in his sleep. He doesn’t get to lay that at the feet of Ewers and Sark. A kicker is going to be asked to put one through the uprights from time to time.

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2 minutes ago, dcar00 said:

Bert has been bailed out by our O and D before.  This is the first time(maybe there was one his first year) that the game really did come down to his misses.   Georgia would have gone for it on 4th had we been up 6 but I'd take our D in that situation all day long.

Fera?

He missed against Bama in 2022

1 minute ago, Hookem2147 said:

A 3-year starting college kicker should be hitting 41 yarders in his sleep. He doesn’t get to lay that at the feet of Ewers and Sark.

Correct, Auburn is a pussy

19 minutes ago, gofuckyourself said:

Probably some truth to this. Smart has won it all multiple times and competed for it. Whether it's prep or play calling, he's doing something Sark isn't. And I think Sark is awesome. He just needs to get over that last hump. Hell, then he may win 3 or 4 titles here. It could be a dynasty.

Even "luck," like so many bounces going their way, is an attitude of winning, and a refusal to lose.

I wish Sark would stay 5 yards out on the field and ref the game like Smart does. 

I don’t get why Sark doesn’t try to get the ball to Bolden more. He had two big plays in the 2nd quarter, but I don’t remember hearing much from him after that. He has reliable hands and great speed and agility in space.

Just now, GTX Horn said:

I don’t get why Sark doesn’t try to get the ball to Bolden more. He had two big plays in the 2nd quarter, but I don’t remember hearing much from him after that. He has reliable hands and great speed and agility in space.

Maybe it’s Quinn making the reads or has his favorite wr he likes to go too. 

4 minutes ago, immamac said:

They covered the shit out of him. 

And when they didn't he dropped the ball

9 minutes ago, David Dennison said:

Seriously though . . . what happened to Gunnar Helm?

Got his ass kicked trying to block, couldn't get open and dropped a pass. 

27 minutes ago, immamac said:

They covered the shit out of him. 

Saw him whiff on some blocks too, but UGA is no joke…

Don't blame me. I was stuck at a Birmingham art show but cheered my ass off with the two Texas fans I saw.

Really glad they correctly overturned the Makuba targeting. It looked bad, but maybe don’t run your QB if you don’t want him taking shots. 
 
Losing Makuba for the first half of the first playoff round would have sucked. 

He absolutely rocked the fuck out of that kid. I thought he was gonna have to be carted off. Crazy to think if his helmet had stayed on, they would have left him in the game, not knowing where he was.
When was the last time Texas had a kicker that didn’t end up kicking in the pros?

This year.
Bert has been bailed out by our O and D before.  This is the first time(maybe there was one his first year) that the game really did come down to his misses.   Georgia would have gone for it on 4th had we been up 6 but I'd take our D in that situation all day long.
Fera?

Didn’t he get a camp invite or practice squad something for like a season?
58 minutes ago, Dark Horse said:

Really glad they correctly overturned the Makuba targeting. It looked bad, but maybe don’t run your QB if you don’t want him taking shots. 
 

Losing Makuba for the first half of the first playoff round would have sucked. 

We got damn lucky the call was reversed. I mean, how does his helmet fly off unless forcible contact was made to his head? I know Makuba was leading with his shoulder with no malicious intent, but still. Very fortunate

13 hours ago, Pancho said:

That’s not happening, and we look like A&M fans for even suggesting it 

It should rotate through the NFL stadiums in the footprint

Miami

Tampa

Jacksonville

Atlanta

New Orleans

Nashville

Kansas City

Arlington

Houston

2 minutes ago, DFW Horn said:

We got damn lucky the call was reversed. I mean, how does his helmet fly off unless forcible contact was made to his head? I know Makuba was leading with his shoulder with no malicious intent, but still. Very fortunate

He wasn’t defenseless 

2 minutes ago, Jkwellborn said:


Didn’t he get a camp invite or practice squad something for like a season?

maybe.  Lawrence also got an invite but never kicked in the pros.  We rolled the dice with Bert and got burned.  from his first year it was obvious he didn't have the leg and his accuracy was suspect.  A lot of people just look at the stats but he was very erratic even on his makes.

when he needs a longer FG he has to put more into it and I think that is why you see the hooks from the right hash.  He has pushed a few too.  just like a golfer he's constantly overcorrecting when he swings harder.  He's good from inside 45 and I mean good as in "for a college kicker".   

that all said.  Sark needs to solve his red zone issues against good D's so he isn't depending on kickers.  

We also constantly take sacks that push us back to the edge of Bert's real range(45).  

11 minutes ago, DFW Horn said:

We got damn lucky the call was reversed. I mean, how does his helmet fly off unless forcible contact was made to his head? I know Makuba was leading with his shoulder with no malicious intent, but still. Very fortunate

he is not defenseless, he is a runner and not sliding.

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18 minutes ago, Texasborn91 said:

He wasn’t defenseless 

Yeah, but we've seen the zebras fuck up Targeting calls even after replays

13 hours ago, Longhornlove said:

What about the dropped pass? Was that enough. DON'T BE A DUMBASS. We couldn't run the ball, that is why we lost.

Any of the two missed field goals wins the game in regulation.

16 hours ago, Brandywine said:

Great! Then what?

Then we are beating ASU in the Fiesta Bowl

1 minute ago, n64ra said:

Then we are beating ASU in the Fiesta Bowl

Peach not Fiesta. ATL here we come (again)

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2 hours ago, ATLLonghorn said:

Absolutely stunning how mentally unprepared the offense was for a conference championship game

 

 

1 hour ago, Texzilla58 said:

This absolutely reflects the the emotions of the head coach.  They were nervous because the coach was nervous.  Reflected in the terrible playcalling and red zone failures, the special teams fails. The team wasn’t mentally prepared for this stage. Kirby won this game with better coaching.

In a game this close you can point to a lot of things that would change the outcome but this is a big one for me. The Texas offense, Sark's baby, was sloppy, undisciplined, and was Georgia's MVP for a huge chunk of the game. Same offensive issues that have showed up all season, but even worse. He schemed up a really strong game pan out the gate but clearly did not have the answers once that faltered. You could tell in the short halftime interview the frustration was getting to him. STs continue to have issues and Georgia somehow caught us completely off guard with their fake punt that should have been on the radar in that situation, and proved to be an absolute back breaker (it turned a 3 and out after a Texas score that would have solidified the momentum shift in Texas's favor into the spark of Georgia's 9-minute drive). The bottom line is Georgia still outclasses us when it comes to playing to their standard in these games. That's coaching.

Sark is still learning how to be a championship HC at the top of the sport. He's far exceeded my wildest dreams as a roster/program builder, which is what sets the floor and gets you to these games, so I don't want to make more than it is. But the things that doomed the Texas offense yesterday, both on the field and on the headsets, have been consistent issues all year and indeed for Sark's entire tenure. It'd be unreasonable to expect those to vanish between games 12 and 13 but to see it get worse is a terrible look. Maybe he'll get there on game management eventually. Maybe he just builds a roster that's such a juggernaut that it can simply eat 100 yards of penalties against a top 5 opponent and still win. He's certainly earned the runway to find out if he can. But as much as anything else, I think Georgia won this game because Texas at times still shows some mental weakness and lack of discipline/prep that a truly championship level program like Georgia has rooted out entirely. I think @TwiceHorn was the person who originally pointed that out, and it's stuck with me. Georgia just has a stronger competitive culture than Texas right now. I think Georgia's off the field issues could start to metastasize and eroding that soon, and maybe we even saw that during the regular season, but that didn't show up yesterday.

Texas has produced back to back top 5 type teams. We're on the penultimate step on the ladder. The last step is always the hardest in sports. The wait can be long and excruciating, but if we take that last step - and I think the window for that is certainly open the next few years at least - we'll remember this season and game as an important part of the climb.

In a game this close you can point to a lot of things that would change the outcome but this is a big one for me. The Texas offense, Sark's baby, was sloppy, undisciplined, and was Georgia's MVP for a huge chunk of the game. Same offensive issues that have showed up all season, but even worse. He schemed up a really strong game pan out the gate but clearly did not have the answers once that faltered. You could tell in the short halftime interview the frustration was getting to him. STs continue to have issues and Georgia somehow caught us completely off guard with their fake punt that should have been on the radar in that situation, and proved to be an absolute back breaker (it turned a 3 and out after a Texas score that would have solidified the momentum shift in Texas's favor into the spark of Georgia's 9-minute drive). The bottom line is Georgia still outclasses us when it comes to playing to their standard in these games. That's coaching.
Sark is still learning how to be a championship HC at the top of the sport. He's far exceeded my wildest dreams as a roster/program builder, which is what sets the floor and gets you to these games, so I don't want to make more than it is. But the things that doomed the Texas offense yesterday, both on the field and on the headsets, have been consistent issues all year and indeed for Sark's entire tenure. It'd be unreasonable to expect those to vanish between games 12 and 13 but to see it get worse is a terrible look. Maybe he'll get there on game management eventually. Maybe he just builds a roster that's such a juggernaut that it can simply eat 100 yards of penalties against a top 5 opponent and still win. He's certainly earned the runway to find out if he can. But as much as anything else, I think Georgia won this game because Texas at times still shows some mental weakness and lack of discipline/prep that a truly championship level program like Georgia has rooted out entirely. I think [mention=248]TwiceHorn[/mention] was the person who originally pointed that out, and it's stuck with me. Georgia just has a stronger competitive culture than Texas right now. I think Georgia's off the field issues could start to metastasize and eroding that soon, and maybe we even saw that during the regular season, but that didn't show up yesterday.
Texas has produced back to back top 5 type teams. We're on the penultimate step on the ladder. The last step is always the hardest in sports. The wait can be long and excruciating, but if we take that last step - and I think the window for that is certainly open the next few years at least - we'll remember this season and game as an important part of the climb.

Great post. It’s like people forget how many years it took Georgia to take that last step
22 minutes ago, gmr548 said:

 

In a game this close you can point to a lot of things that would change the outcome but this is a big one for me. The Texas offense, Sark's baby, was sloppy, undisciplined, and was Georgia's MVP for a huge chunk of the game. Same offensive issues that have showed up all season, but even worse. He schemed up a really strong game pan out the gate but clearly did not have the answers once that faltered. You could tell in the short halftime interview the frustration was getting to him. STs continue to have issues and Georgia somehow caught us completely off guard with their fake punt that should have been on the radar in that situation, and proved to be an absolute back breaker (it turned a 3 and out after a Texas score that would have solidified the momentum shift in Texas's favor into the spark of Georgia's 9-minute drive). The bottom line is Georgia still outclasses us when it comes to playing to their standard in these games. That's coaching.

Sark is still learning how to be a championship HC at the top of the sport. He's far exceeded my wildest dreams as a roster/program builder, which is what sets the floor and gets you to these games, so I don't want to make more than it is. But the things that doomed the Texas offense yesterday, both on the field and on the headsets, have been consistent issues all year and indeed for Sark's entire tenure. It'd be unreasonable to expect those to vanish between games 12 and 13 but to see it get worse is a terrible look. Maybe he'll get there on game management eventually. Maybe he just builds a roster that's such a juggernaut that it can simply eat 100 yards of penalties against a top 5 opponent and still win. He's certainly earned the runway to find out if he can. But as much as anything else, I think Georgia won this game because Texas at times still shows some mental weakness and lack of discipline/prep that a truly championship level program like Georgia has rooted out entirely. I think @TwiceHorn was the person who originally pointed that out, and it's stuck with me. Georgia just has a stronger competitive culture than Texas right now. I think Georgia's off the field issues could start to metastasize and eroding that soon, and maybe we even saw that during the regular season, but that didn't show up yesterday.

Texas has produced back to back top 5 type teams. We're on the penultimate step on the ladder. The last step is always the hardest in sports. The wait can be long and excruciating, but if we take that last step - and I think the window for that is certainly open the next few years at least - we'll remember this season and game as an important part of the climb.

Yeah, that's a good point.  The lack of "winnerness" is being rooted out, but clearly not as thoroughly as at Georgia.

3 hours ago, ATLLonghorn said:

Absolutely stunning how mentally unprepared the offense was for a conference championship game

 

Wow. At least two of the holding calls were on WRs too.

With the caveat that I haven't done a rewatch yet, it seems like we kept the TE/RB in to block a lot, and I'm wondering if that just allowed Georgia's superior front 7 to pin their ears back.  When they did give Quinn time, he made a lot of great downfield throws, but the pressure got there too often and the box was stacked against the run.  I wish we could have seen them spread out more.  Maybe since they have great athletes it wouldn't have mattered, but maybe they could have creased some runs.

3 hours ago, ATLLonghorn said:

Absolutely stunning how mentally unprepared the offense was for a conference championship game

 

COVID and Bird Flu are in awe of how the drops mutated and spread from the Georgia receivers to the Texas side.

Almost done with a first half rewatch and will get into depth on, but I'm looking for help here. Is Wisner not sure what he's supposed to do or is this the design for a version of a draw play? It's blocked well initially if he just takes the ball he has a hole to work with.

40 minutes ago, gmr548 said:

 

In a game this close you can point to a lot of things that would change the outcome but this is a big one for me. The Texas offense, Sark's baby, was sloppy, undisciplined, and was Georgia's MVP for a huge chunk of the game. Same offensive issues that have showed up all season, but even worse. He schemed up a really strong game pan out the gate but clearly did not have the answers once that faltered. You could tell in the short halftime interview the frustration was getting to him. STs continue to have issues and Georgia somehow caught us completely off guard with their fake punt that should have been on the radar in that situation, and proved to be an absolute back breaker (it turned a 3 and out after a Texas score that would have solidified the momentum shift in Texas's favor into the spark of Georgia's 9-minute drive). The bottom line is Georgia still outclasses us when it comes to playing to their standard in these games. That's coaching.

Sark is still learning how to be a championship HC at the top of the sport. He's far exceeded my wildest dreams as a roster/program builder, which is what sets the floor and gets you to these games, so I don't want to make more than it is. But the things that doomed the Texas offense yesterday, both on the field and on the headsets, have been consistent issues all year and indeed for Sark's entire tenure. It'd be unreasonable to expect those to vanish between games 12 and 13 but to see it get worse is a terrible look. Maybe he'll get there on game management eventually. Maybe he just builds a roster that's such a juggernaut that it can simply eat 100 yards of penalties against a top 5 opponent and still win. He's certainly earned the runway to find out if he can. But as much as anything else, I think Georgia won this game because Texas at times still shows some mental weakness and lack of discipline/prep that a truly championship level program like Georgia has rooted out entirely. I think @TwiceHorn was the person who originally pointed that out, and it's stuck with me. Georgia just has a stronger competitive culture than Texas right now. I think Georgia's off the field issues could start to metastasize and eroding that soon, and maybe we even saw that during the regular season, but that didn't show up yesterday.

Texas has produced back to back top 5 type teams. We're on the penultimate step on the ladder. The last step is always the hardest in sports. The wait can be long and excruciating, but if we take that last step - and I think the window for that is certainly open the next few years at least - we'll remember this season and game as an important part of the climb.

Well said. I'll add one thing that might be the most frustrating part of yesterday: Despite all the warranted teeth gnashing and "should'ves"...we fuckin outplayed Georgia. Sometimes you just get unlucky in sports. UGA had 3 fumbles that bounced right back to them or out of bounds. The INT off Bond popped up right to them, while the Barron deflection popped up right where a UGA WR was sitting to knock it away from Mukuba. And then of course...the refs. I hate blaming refs but that first half was atrocious and absolutely impacted the score.

If one or two of those things bounce the other way, we're probably celebrating an SEC championship and all hailing King Sark. 

4 minutes ago, ATLLonghorn said:

Almost done with a first half rewatch and will get into depth on, but I'm looking for help here. Is Wisner not sure what he's supposed to do or is this the design for a version of a draw play? It's blocked well initially if he just takes the ball he has a hole to work with.

He completely missed the playcall. Don't worry, dozens of idiots on the forum will be by shortly to explain how that's the QB's fault. 

1 hour ago, StassneyHorn said:

Any of the two missed field goals wins the game in regulation.

Or, not holding on that swing Wisner took to the 4.  Punch that in, win.   Or the illegal procedure that backed up Auburn to then miss.  Jesus, so many one -,ay game changers.   Consider that the rule in close games like this.  

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I finished a first half re-watch (2nd half rewatch may wait until tomorrow). I have notes on literally all 44 offensive snaps in the first half but I doubt anyone wants to read it but I can post it if anyone is interested. Here are some general thoughts in no particular order:

Sark: I still hate the gameplan. There is a difference between establishing the run and running the ball. The run game was an afterthought for Texas in the first half. I don't know why Sark decided that this had to be a pass heavy game. Sark LOVES his window dressing. He loves using movement and motion to try and confuse defenses, but Georgia is way too well coached for that and way too athletic for it. When Texas played more directly they had success. This was particular in the run game. When they just ran the most basic shit (block down, pull the guards, HS football 101) they were able to move the ball on the ground. When they tried to get horizontal in any capacity Georgia was just too strong and athletic for it. Georgia Tech big dumb caveman football'd Georgia to death last week. Sark tried a lot of his usual bullshit and most of it didn't work or added very little.

Another thing that I really wanted to mention that's a smaller thing, they really need to phase out any play action where Ewers does a full 360 spin, particularly against fast, athletic defenses. Ewers' footwork is already a mess a lot of the time and when they do that against Georgia it's usually bad.

All that said, there were just so many sloppy goddamn plays. Golden and Bolden were the only ones on offense who weren't culpable for something that hurt the offense in the first half. Helm, Wingo, Moore and Bond all had drops. Helm was particularly bad blocking. The offensive line wasn't as bad as I thought, but there were still plenty of times where guys just got beat or made mistakes. Ewers would be fine in an offense where they don't need him to be great, but this offense kind of requires it and there are just too many bad throws and decisions.

I'm not looking forward to watching the second half because my instinct is that Sark completely went the other way and I bet it's bad. I'm gonna go watch NFL the rest of the day. 

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