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America's Foreign Policy & Other Shit Going On Around the World thread

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2 hours ago, Aqua Buddha said:

Since these were all white guys, we can blame this on DEI, right?

This latest screw up is the most karmic thing ever. After all of Trump’s and Elon’s misrepresentation DEI and boasting about his “meritocracy presidency”, the toxic admixture of his cabinet’s hubris and incompetence has been put on full display for the whole world to see. Pete Hegseth is worse than I imagined he could be. It would be funny were it not so serious.

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6 hours ago, Francisco 2.0 said:

 

Came to post this.

The Atlantic (and Goldberg) just flopped their cocks out on the table.

 

 

 

 

 

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Yesterday, we asked officials across the Trump administration if they objected to us publishing the full texts. In emails to the Central Intelligence Agency, the Office of the Director of National Intelligence, the National Security Council, the Department of Defense, and the White House, we wrote, in part: “In light of statements today from multiple administration officials, including before the Senate Intelligence Committee, that the information in the Signal chain about the Houthi strike is not classified, and that it does not contain ‘war plans,’ The Atlantic is considering publishing the entirety of the Signal chain.”

We sent our first request for comment and feedback to national-security officials shortly after noon, and followed up in the evening after most failed to answer.

Late yesterday, White House Press Secretary Karoline Leavitt emailed a response: “As we have repeatedly stated, there was no classified information transmitted in the group chat. However, as the CIA Director and National Security Advisor have both expressed today, that does not mean we encourage the release of the conversation. This was intended to be a an [sic] internal and private deliberation amongst high-level senior staff and sensitive information was discussed. So for those reason [sic] — yes, we object to the release.” (The Leavitt statement did not address which elements of the texts the White House considered sensitive, or how, more than a week after the initial air strikes, their publication could have bearing on national security.)

A CIA spokesperson asked us to withhold the name of John Ratcliffe’s chief of staff, which Ratcliffe had shared in the Signal chain, because CIA intelligence officers are traditionally not publicly identified. Ratcliffe had testified earlier yesterday that the officer is not undercover and said it was “completely appropriate” to share their name in the Signal conversation. We will continue to withhold the name of the officer. Otherwise, the messages are unredacted.

As we wrote on Monday, much of the conversation in the “Houthi PC small group” concerned the timing and rationale of attacks on the Houthis, and contained remarks by Trump-administration officials about the alleged shortcomings of America’s European allies. But on the day of the attack—Saturday, March 15—the discussion veered toward the operational.

 

At 11:44 a.m. eastern time, Hegseth posted in the chat, in all caps, “TEAM UPDATE:”

The text beneath this began, “TIME NOW (1144et): Weather is FAVORABLE. Just CONFIRMED w/CENTCOM we are a GO for mission launch.” Centcom, or Central Command, is the military’s combatant command for the Middle East. The Hegseth text continues:

“1215et: F-18s LAUNCH (1st strike package)”
“1345: ‘Trigger Based’ F-18 1st Strike Window Starts (Target Terrorist is @ his Known Location so SHOULD BE ON TIME – also, Strike Drones Launch (MQ-9s)”
Let us pause here for a moment to underscore a point. This Signal message shows that the U.S. secretary of defense texted a group that included a phone number unknown to him—Goldberg’s cellphone—at 11:44 a.m. This was 31 minutes before the first U.S. warplanes launched, and two hours and one minute before the beginning of a period in which a primary target, the Houthi “Target Terrorist,” was expected to be killed by these American aircraft. If this text had been received by someone hostile to American interests—or someone merely indiscreet, and with access to social media—the Houthis would have had time to prepare for what was meant to be a surprise attack on their strongholds. The consequences for American pilots could have been catastrophic.

The Hegseth text then continued:

“1410: More F-18s LAUNCH (2nd strike package)”
“1415: Strike Drones on Target (THIS IS WHEN THE FIRST BOMBS WILL DEFINITELY DROP, pending earlier ‘Trigger Based’ targets)”
“1536 F-18 2nd Strike Starts – also, first sea-based Tomahawks launched.”
“MORE TO FOLLOW (per timeline)”
“We are currently clean on OPSEC”—that is, operational security.
“Godspeed to our Warriors.”

 

At 1:48 p.m., Waltz sent the following text, containing real-time intelligence about conditions at an attack site, apparently in Sanaa: “VP. Building collapsed. Had multiple positive ID. Pete, Kurilla, the IC, amazing job.” Waltz was referring here to Hegseth; General Michael E. Kurilla, the commander of Central Command; and the intelligence community, or IC. The reference to “multiple positive ID” suggests that U.S. intelligence had ascertained the identities of the Houthi target, or targets, using either human or technical assets.

Six minutes later, the vice president, apparently confused by Waltz’s message, wrote, “What?”

At 2 p.m., Waltz responded: “Typing too fast. The first target – their top missile guy – we had positive ID of him walking into his girlfriend’s building and it’s now collapsed.”

Vance responded a minute later: “Excellent.” Thirty-five minutes after that, Ratcliffe, the CIA director, wrote, “A good start,” which Waltz followed with a text containing a fist emoji, an American-flag emoji, and a fire emoji. The Houthi-run Yemeni health ministry reported that at least 53 people were killed in the strikes, a number that has not been independently verified.

Later that afternoon, Hegseth posted: “CENTCOM was/is on point.” Notably, he then told the group that attacks would be continuing. “Great job all. More strikes ongoing for hours tonight, and will provide full initial report tomorrow. But on time, on target, and good readouts so far.”

 

What's amusing is Ratcliffe did some word-parsing there.  I don't think he said much in the chat, therefore HE personally did not reveal any classified information.

Which raises another glaring point:  having substantive policy discussions by phone chat is completely normal to this confederacy of dunces.  Not one word from anyone to the effect of "why are we doing this by chat" or "is it good/proper to do this by chat?" while Hegseth is talking about leaks and OPSEC.

3 minutes ago, Satchel said:

This latest screw up is the most karmic thing ever. After all of Trump’s and Elon’s misrepresentation DEI and boasting about his “meritocracy presidency”, the toxic admixture of his cabinet’s hubris and incompetence has been put on full display for the whole world to see. Pete Hegseth is worse than I imagined he could be. It would be funny were it not so serious.

Competent. White. Men.   And Tulsi.

17 minutes ago, Hank Kingsley said:

America is a joke. 

 

"Nobody was drinking champagne.  I saw the empty bottle this morning, it didn't look like champagne.  And as a matter of fact, they've even changed  to calling it sparkling wine.  Because they know it's not Champagne."

29 minutes ago, Chewbacca said:

Dems circling the wagons around Hillary and making sure she had no consequences for her private server is the reason we're here today with the Trump admin using fucking Signal for national security info.

Look What the Dems Made Us Do 

3 minutes ago, Gourmand said:

Look What the Dems Made Us Do 

Sure, that's how they would spin it, but let's be real.  She did it for the same reason they are doing it now.  They don't want records of those conversations on official government servers.  So here we are...

11 minutes ago, Chewbacca said:

Sure, that's how they would spin it, but let's be real.  She did it for the same reason they are doing it now.  They don't want records of those conversations on official government servers.  So here we are...

Is there a Project 2025 out there that HRC was following? 

idiotic conflation

1 minute ago, Gourmand said:

Is there a Project 2025 out there that HRC was following? 

idiotic conflation

Lol.  Not conflating anything, dude.  But if behavior is wrong, there needs to be consequences for doing it, regardless of which team you're on.  Otherwise, we end up here, at the logical endpoint where nothing goes through the government servers anymore so there's no official record of anything. 

Just now, Chewbacca said:

Lol.  Not conflating anything, dude.  But if behavior is wrong, there needs to be consequences for doing it, regardless of which team you're on.  Otherwise, we end up here, at the logical endpoint where nothing goes through the government servers anymore so there's no official record of anything. 

Someone should look into Hillary's emails.

27 minutes ago, Skipper said:

This is what is funny to me.   How do these guys still not understand that shit really only works for Trump.  Don't get me wrong, I don't understand how it consistently works for Trump but it does.  He's the only one in the MAGA world that gets the blind loyalty.  My initial reaction to Hegseth's initial interview was that it was just a really bad Trump impersonation (lie, deflect, blame the Libs).   Waltz the same thing.  I mean on one hand they don't really have any other cards to play in this instance, but it doesn't come as natural to anyone else like it does Trump and just doesn't work.

The thing is he won’t have fire any of these people if he doesn’t want to because there is ZERO accountability in Trump 2.0. There are no adults in the room. There is no third rail.

 

11 minutes ago, Chewbacca said:

Dems circling the wagons around Hillary and making sure she had no consequences for her private server is the reason we're here today with the Trump admin using fucking Signal for national security info.

Well, it did kind of cost her the election ultimately.

3 minutes ago, C-Man said:

Well, it did kind of cost her the election ultimately.

that, plus her vagina

5 minutes ago, Chewbacca said:

Lol.  Not conflating anything, dude.  But if behavior is wrong, there needs to be consequences for doing it, regardless of which team you're on.  Otherwise, we end up here, at the logical endpoint where nothing goes through the government servers anymore so there's no official record of anything. 

Good news. We didn’t let her be President and she’s never held another government job! 

4 minutes ago, Chewbacca said:

Lol.  Not conflating anything, dude.  But if behavior is wrong, there needs to be consequences for doing it, regardless of which team you're on.  Otherwise, we end up here, at the logical endpoint where nothing goes through the government servers anymore so there's no official record of anything. 

It's as idiotic as comparing Biden's mishandling of classified information and the aftermath of that event with Trump's brazen criminality with his classified documents case.

Claiming that somehow this shit is the Dems fault is silly and stupid as fuck. 

3 minutes ago, Gourmand said:

It's as idiotic as comparing Biden's mishandling of classified information and the aftermath of that event with Trump's brazen criminality with his classified documents case.

Claiming that somehow this shit is the Dems fault is silly and stupid as fuck. 

When you won't hold your own people accountable, how can you expect to ever hold anyone accountable?

I'm referring specifically to the use of Signal and other outside normal channels communications here.  Not the rest of the shit show we're watching.

30 minutes ago, Chewbacca said:

Sure, that's how they would spin it, but let's be real.  She did it for the same reason they are doing it now.  They don't want records of those conversations on official government servers.  So here we are...

I don’t think it would have mattered that Hillary’s recipes were compromised. Planned military incursions are a different matter.

27 minutes ago, C-Man said:

The thing is he won’t have fire any of these people if he doesn’t want to because there is ZERO accountability in Trump 2.0. There are no adults in the room. There is no third rail.

 

This is what people don’t understand. This is not regular politics. There is no accountability. The can be no Achilles heel, no gap in the armor. Don’t admit fault and deny until you die. They are lying to our fucking faces and people believe it simply because it’s the President and the White House. 

I imagine this is what it was like in the slavery-era when people questioned government officials about slavery and indentured servants. White House response: “Well clearly the Constitution says ‘all men are created equal’ so I have no idea what you are talking about.” 

6 hours ago, TexasHooch said:

You can't make this shit up.

 

 

Well, you could, but no one would believe you. 
 

 

Oh, wait….

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8 minutes ago, Chewbacca said:

When you won't hold your own people accountable, how can you expect to ever hold anyone accountable?

I'm referring specifically to the use of Signal and other outside normal channels communications here.  Not the rest of the shit show we're watching.

Are you even real right now??? I understand the point but can you imagine the freakout we'd be witnessing from the right-wing and Fox News blowhards if any Dem did anything remotely close to this? Hillary Clinton's actions with her private email server have no causal connection whatsoever or similarity in degree to this idiocy we've learned about the last few days. JFC we heard about that shit endlessly and then they dragged her ass before Congress to testify for hours and hours about Benghazi and the DOJ had lengthy investigation into her emails with no charges being filed and the Comey letter dropped and she lost the election. But one thing Hillary wasn't doing was texting our military movements in a group chat.

You want to talk about being real? Let's be real. The only people ever held accountable are usually Democrats with other Democrats doing the accountability: See, e.g. Eric Adams, Bob and Nadine Menendez, Rod Blagojevich, and even former Senator Al Franken. Ferfucksakes ten Democrats voted to censure Al Green over his actions during Trump's address and let's not forget the ten Dems who voted to end cloture on the budget resolution. If Dems were in control of either body of Congress right now and this happened with a Dem administration, the same spineless shitheels who caved last week would be racing each other to lead an investigation to get to the bottom of this in the service of their fetish for bipartisanship and helping Republicans politically. 

 

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Private contact details of the most important security advisers to U.S. President Donald Trump can be found on the internet. DER SPIEGEL reporters were able to find mobile phone numbers, email addresses and even some passwords belonging to the top officials.

To do so, the reporters used commercial people search engines along with hacked customer data that has been published on the web. Those affected by the leaks include National Security Adviser Mike Waltz, Director of National Intelligence Tulsi Gabbard and Secretary of Defense Pete Hegseth.

Most of these numbers and email addresses are apparently still in use, with some of them linked to profiles on social media platforms like Instagram and LinkedIn. They were used to create Dropbox accounts and profiles in apps that track running data. There are also WhatsApp profiles for the respective phone numbers and even Signal accounts in some cases.

As such, the reporting has revealed an additional grave, previously unknown security breach at the highest levels in Washington. Hostile intelligence services could use this publicly available data to hack the communications of those affected by installing spyware on their devices. It is thus conceivable that foreign agents were privy to the Signal chat group in which Gabbard, Waltz and Hegseth discussed a military strike.

Numbers Linked to Signal Accounts
It remains unclear, however, whether this extremely problematic chat was conducted using Signal accounts linked to the private telephone numbers of the officials involved. Tulsi Gabbard has declined to comment. DER SPIEGEL reporting has demonstrated, though, that privately used and publicly accessible telephone numbers belonging to her and Waltz are, in fact, linked to Signal accounts.

The U.S. newsmagazine The Atlantic revealed on Monday that Gabbard, Waltz and Hegseth, along with CIA Director John Ratcliffe and additional officials, discussed an imminent military strike against the Houthi militia in Yemen in a Signal chat. The information shared among the participants included intelligence information and precise attack plans. According to the Atlantic, Waltz added the editor-in-chief of the magazine, Jeffrey Goldberg, to the chat group. Precisely why he did so remains unclear.

The White House confirmed the scandal after the fact. Trump insisted that it did not include classified content, a question that is of particular relevance since members of the U.S. government are not permitted to share such information over Signal. The U.S. special envoy for Ukraine and the Middle East, Steve Witkoff, was even in Russia while participating in the chat group.

DER SPIEGEL was able to find some of the contact information for Gabbard, Hegseth and Waltz in commercial databases, while other information was in so-called password leaks, which are hardly a rarity on the internet. One example is the 2019 discovery by Troy Hunt, who found 773 million email addresses and more than 21 million passwords in a hacker forum.

Since then, there have been numerous additional leaks. Criminals are constantly compiling new collections from hacks, usually to sell them on forums.

It was particularly easy for DER SPIEGEL reporters to discover Hegseth’s mobile number and email address. They turned to a commercial provider of contact information that is primarily used by companies for sales, marketing and recruitment.

DER SPIEGEL sent the provider a link to Hegseth’s LinkedIn profile and received a Gmail address and a mobile phone number in return, in addition to other information. A search of leaked user data revealed that the email address and, in some cases, even the password associated with it, could be found in over 20 publicly accessible leaks. Using publicly available information, it was possible to verify that the email address was used just a few days ago.

The mobile number provided, meanwhile, led to a WhatsApp account that Hegseth apparently only recently deleted. The profile photo showed a shirtless Hegseth in a baseball cap and necklace. Comparisons with other photos of the U.S. secretary of defense using facial recognition software were able to confirm that the photo on the WhatsApp profile was indeed Hegseth.

 

U.S. National Security Adviser Mike Waltz: Mobile number and email address found using a commercial people finder. Foto: Mandel Ngan / AFP
Waltz’s mobile number and email address could be found using the same service provider. The mobile phone number could even be found using a people search engine popular in the U.S. DER SPIEGEL reporters were also able to find several passwords for Waltz’s email address in leaked databases. The information also led to Waltz’s profiles for Microsoft Teams, LinkedIn, WhatsApp and Signal.

National Intelligence Director Gabbard was seemingly more careful with her data than her two male colleagues. She apparently had her own data blocked in the commercial contact search engines that contained the data of Hegseth and Waltz. But her email address was to be found on WikiLeaks and Reddit.

Gabbard’s email address is available in more than 10 leaks. One of those also contains a partial telephone number, which, when completed, leads to an active WhatsApp account and a Signal profile.

"Exposed data from top politicians can be used by hackers to launch convincing phishing attacks and gain access to devices and various services such as email, chat tools and PayPal,” says Donald Ortmann, a specialist in information security, information procurement and social engineering. He supports companies and authorities following cyberattacks.

"In addition, deepfake attacks using images and sound available online can be launched to participate in virtual meetings,” says Ortmann. Compromised accounts also enable hackers to "install malware, monitor communications and attempt political blackmail.”

No Response
To protect the private contact information of the U.S. politicians, DER SPIEGEL is not publishing the telephone numbers, email addresses and passwords it found. Furthermore, no tests were performed to determine if the passwords for the email addresses are still active. DER SPIEGEL informed Gabbard, Hegseth and Waltz of its findings.

DER SPIEGEL also sought comment from the Defense Department, the National Security Council and the office of the national intelligence director. Thus far, no response has been received.

Personal inquiries sent to Tulsi Gabbard and Michael Waltz via WhatsApp and Signal were delivered, according to the confirmation function. But they have thus far remained unanswered

 

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1 hour ago, Red Five said:

Someone should look into Hillary's emails.

sure, sure, but be sure to announce that you are 10 days before an election.

4 hours ago, aggie08 said:

I guess I'm just impressed that he didn't send an eggplant emoji.

Vance only does that in replies to tweets from Ashley Furniture. 

1 hour ago, Chewbacca said:

Sure, that's how they would spin it, but let's be real.  She did it for the same reason they are doing it now.  They don't want records of those conversations on official government servers.  So here we are...

The George Bush Administration did it first :)

I'd say we're a joke of a country, but jokes should be funny.

We're just fucking pathetic.  I don't know what's worse, the fact that we are repeatedly shooting ourselves in the dick, or that a majority of voters, as each bullet rips through another shred of our dick, yells "AGAIN!"

3 minutes ago, 956 Worldwide said:

Incredible.  

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The best.  People.

11 minutes ago, 956 Worldwide said:

Incredible.  

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WTF are they doing? Venmoing Bibi with the note “Get bombed on us! 👊🇺🇸🔥”?

8 minutes ago, DDD Dad said:

The best.  People.

Adults.

I could see Trump Venmo-ing people for rides on AF1. 

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WASHINGTON (Reuters) -U.S. President Donald Trump said on Wednesday he would be willing to reduce tariffs to get a deal done with TikTok's Chinese parent, ByteDance.

ByteDance faces an April 5 deadline to find a non-Chinese buyer for TikTok or face a U.S. ban on national security grounds.

In the latest twist over the fate of the popular short-video app, Trump said he was willing to extend the deadline if an agreement over the social media app was not reached.

"With respect to TikTok, and China is going to have to play a role in that, possibly in the form of an approval, maybe, and I think they'll do that. Maybe I'll give them a little reduction in tariffs or something to get it done," Trump told reporters on Wednesday.

Fuck over american consumers who wish to buy cars, no problem. Cut a deal for China so some of his tech bro buddies can buy Tik Tok, sure. 

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Fuck over american consumers who wish to buy cars, no problem. Cut a deal for China so some of his tech bro buddies can buy Tik Tok, sure. 

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Just now, Satchel said:

Why are they going where they’re clearly not wanted?

Anger in Greenland over Usha Vance and Mike Waltz’s planned visit this week

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/mar/24/greenland-usha-vance-mike-waltz-visit-anger

Greenland’s prime minister says move is ‘demonstration of power’ and accuses US of interfering in its political affairs

Answer:  Because they're assholes.

 

History tells me that it isn't the act that ultimately brings down the heart, it is the coverup.

Sincerely, Watergate, Iran-Contra, tec

6 minutes ago, Francisco 2.0 said:

 

It’s amazing just how full of shit he is all the time. 

21 minutes ago, Satchel said:

Why are they going where they’re clearly not wanted?

Anger in Greenland over Usha Vance and Mike Waltz’s planned visit this week

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/mar/24/greenland-usha-vance-mike-waltz-visit-anger

Greenland’s prime minister says move is ‘demonstration of power’ and accuses US of interfering in its political affairs

Wouldn’t it be pretty easy just to deny them visas?

14 minutes ago, Francisco 2.0 said:

 

Witch hunt! Drink!

LMAO at it being Signal's fault.

Fuck these people in their faces.

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1 minute ago, TexArcher said:

LMAO at it being Signal's fault.

Fuck these people in their faces.

Pretend for a second that, yeah, it's the app's fault. As fucking crazy as that is. Wouldn't that make them using it that much worse?

Well half his fucking cabinet was involved. One guy is easy to throw under the bus. A dozen dumbfucks he appointed? That's a little harder to do.

1 hour ago, Satchel said:

Why are they going where they’re clearly not wanted?

Anger in Greenland over Usha Vance and Mike Waltz’s planned visit this week

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/mar/24/greenland-usha-vance-mike-waltz-visit-anger

Greenland’s prime minister says move is ‘demonstration of power’ and accuses US of interfering in its political affairs

Vance’s only job is to play the victim at every chance. I am guessing he was told it would be bad to send his wife to be booed by herself. And he could play the victim if he did it with her. 

1 hour ago, Wally Fairway said:

History tells me that it isn't the act that ultimately brings down the heart, it is the coverup.

Sincerely, Watergate, Iran-Contra, tec

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I mean, if Nixon and Reagan had had Fox News and full control of all three branches, an expanding executive, and the DOJ in their pocket, the history books wouldn't even remember Watergate and Iran Contra.

4 hours ago, Chewbacca said:

Lol.  Not conflating anything, dude.  But if behavior is wrong, there needs to be consequences for doing it, regardless of which team you're on.  Otherwise, we end up here, at the logical endpoint where nothing goes through the government servers anymore so there's no official record of anything. 

That's true and what Hillary did probably deserved some kind of sanction.  However, I do tend to believe the FBI/DOJ personnel that declined to prosecute because intent would have been hard to prove.

2 hours ago, 956 Worldwide said:

Incredible.  

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Years ago on Surly, I was posting something about the Stormy Daniels case. Before I posted, I checked the spelling of Stormy making sure it wasn't ie or ee at the end. You know, because I'm careful enough to make sure I spell the porn star's name right as I post what was probably a joke under the name of an anthropomorphic, washed up sitcom actor horse from a cartoon on a Longhorn sports focused website. Sometimes, when I look at Venmo, I'll see the stupid shit people leave out in the open such as what are most likely weed purchases and wonder how in the fuck they're not more careful to make those transactions private. Of course, none of us are god damn national security advisors. 

1 hour ago, Wally Fairway said:

History tells me that it isn't the act that ultimately brings down the heart, it is the coverup.

Sincerely, Watergate, Iran-Contra, tec

Same history tells me that Republican presidents and the White Heritage Society insiders who advise them learned everything they needed to know from Nixon and have been immune from said "bringing down" ever since. See: Reagan, Bush, Trump. 

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