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#4351
1 hour ago, atomheartbevo said:

They can manufacture whatever crisis they want, but anything like an ICE agent getting shot (which happened in Dallas already, by the way) and because elections are local, he's not going to be able to declare martial law across the US. It's not going to fly with the courts, otherwise he would have done it in Los Angeles. And he doesn't have enough agents to do it and they don't have the authority to do it - he would need the National Guard, and even then, 325,000 National Guard soldiers, even if they were all somehow magically federalized at once (Supreme Court said no) and all supported it, ain't enough to cover 330 million people.

And even if he got red state governors to go along with martial law in their states, he wouldn't get the blue state governors to go along with it.

And Republicans in elected office aren't going to support it, since most would have their terms expire in January and be out of office.

I know it's fucking dark right now, but if Trump could declare martial law and could federalize the NG, he would have done it well before now - he wanted to in California and Chicago. He's not a rocket scientist who plans things out. Give him a hammer, he's going to use it right away. Deny him the use of the hammer and his attention span wanders elsewhere.

He needs a distraction from Epstein and from the fuckery with Venezuela and this is currently it. Still waiting for him to assemble a fighting force of extraordinary magnitude to actually seize the Venezuelan O&G infrastructure he's trying to give away.

I think it more like he sends ice into cities in high minority areas to suppress turnout.

And/or, he sends ice to confiscate ballots on Election Day. No one will stop him initially. By the time the courts catch up, they will already have taken possession of the ballots. Whose going to trust any subsequent count after they have possessed them for 1 minute much less several days.

There was an article I read today that said something to the effect that Trump has soured on the National Guard because he realized that they were resistant to blind loyalty. ice and border patrol he’s discovered, are in fact loyal and their numbers are growing by the day.

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#4352
3 hours ago, Celery Man said:

People were protesting, daughter asked about the signs, I tried to explain in a fairly even way not trying to really lie about things but not trying to make her a preschool radical. Later she was drawing on her pad, I asked what it was.

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It’s a sign. The x is so that the police makes a better choice.

My daughter is eight and we took her briefly to one of the No Kings protests a couple months ago. DHS for several months was flying several helicopters, at least one of which is a Blackhawk, near our house close to the ICE facility here. When I was driving her home from school one day it was super low and she asked what it was, I had to gently make the connection that the protest we went to was against the president and he currently doesn't like our city very much.

#4353
3 minutes ago, CTC2 said:

And/or, he sends ice to confiscate ballots on Election Day. No one will stop him initially. By the time the courts catch up, they will already have taken possession of the ballots. Whose going to trust any subsequent count after they have possessed them for 1 minute much less several days.

Local election officials/cities/counties/states are not going to turn over ballots to of all things, ICE.

And ICE can barely handle Minneapolis, there's not enough of them to handle a larger city, and I'm fairly certain the locals in many cities will get spicey at the voting booth if ICE marches in and tries to take them.

And like I said, any fuckery with this stuff and you end up with a lot of Republican officials out of office come January.

#4354
11 minutes ago, atomheartbevo said:

Local election officials/cities/counties/states are not going to turn over ballots to of all things, ICE.

And ICE can barely handle Minneapolis, there's not enough of them to handle a larger city, and I'm fairly certain the locals in many cities will get spicey at the voting booth if ICE marches in and tries to take them.

And like I said, any fuckery with this stuff and you end up with a lot of Republican officials out of office come January.

You make good points but I think ice will have more than enough people by nov to walk into selective locations and take what they want. It doesn’t take many people to go into minority communities and start harassing people. All they need is word to get out. It will have a chilling effect on turnout. I don’t think they need anything other than targeted activities to have an impact if they attack the map right

Oh, and I don’t know if hot wheels can do what he was saying about taking over the elections in Harris County but do you think he will turn over ballots if Trump asks?

I hope you are right though.

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#4357
2 hours ago, CTC2 said:

You make good points but I think ice will have more than enough people by nov to walk into selective locations and take what they want. It doesn’t take many people to go into minority communities and start harassing people. All they need is word to get out. It will have a chilling effect on turnout. I don’t think they need anything other than targeted activities to have an impact if they attack the map right

Oh, and I don’t know if hot wheels can do what he was saying about taking over the elections in Harris County but do you think he will turn over ballots if Trump asks?

I hope you are right though.

Oh, and don't forget the State of Texas just handed over all of our voter registration information to cross-reference against I-don't-know-what to better target the precincts they'll crack down hard on.

#4358
5 hours ago, atomheartbevo said:

They can manufacture whatever crisis they want, but anything like an ICE agent getting shot (which happened in Dallas already, by the way) and because elections are local, he's not going to be able to declare martial law across the US. It's not going to fly with the courts, otherwise he would have done it in Los Angeles. And he doesn't have enough agents to do it and they don't have the authority to do it - he would need the National Guard, and even then, 325,000 National Guard soldiers, even if they were all somehow magically federalized at once (Supreme Court said no) and all supported it, ain't enough to cover 330 million people.

And even if he got red state governors to go along with martial law in their states, he wouldn't get the blue state governors to go along with it.

And Republicans in elected office aren't going to support it, since most would have their terms expire in January and be out of office.

I know it's fucking dark right now, but if Trump could declare martial law and could federalize the NG, he would have done it well before now - he wanted to in California and Chicago. He's not a rocket scientist who plans things out. Give him a hammer, he's going to use it right away. Deny him the use of the hammer and his attention span wanders elsewhere.

He needs a distraction from Epstein and from the fuckery with Venezuela and this is currently it. Still waiting for him to assemble a fighting force of extraordinary magnitude to actually seize the Venezuelan O&G infrastructure he's trying to give away.

He doesn’t need to cancel elections or declare martial law. He just needs enough of his goons and the threats they impose to get fewer people in voting lines. The goal is suppression… for now

#4359
1 hour ago, bolverk said:

Oh, and don't forget the State of Texas just handed over all of our voter registration information to cross-reference against I-don't-know-what to better target the precincts they'll crack down hard on.

He had his chance to crack down/find voter fraud already.

I said this elsewhere, but I think the voter registration stuff might be related to the birthright citizenship - if they can somehow convince the Supremes to strip the citizenship of a shitload of people, and they have their names/birthdays/Social Security #s, having all of that voter registration data will make it easy for them to send out directives purging those voting rolls of those now-non-American voters. They don't have to suppress anything or send anybody in to harass people if they can just strip the birthright citizens right out of the voting process since many of the birthrights are Hispanic/minorities.

Everybody is talking about the elections and sleeping on the birthright stuff - if he gets that citizenship stripped from millions of Americans, there's no need for suppression at the voting booth since it already happened.

#4360
3 hours ago, atomheartbevo said:

He had his chance to crack down/find voter fraud already.

I said this elsewhere, but I think the voter registration stuff might be related to the birthright citizenship - if they can somehow convince the Supremes to strip the citizenship of a shitload of people, and they have their names/birthdays/Social Security #s, having all of that voter registration data will make it easy for them to send out directives purging those voting rolls of those now-non-American voters. They don't have to suppress anything or send anybody in to harass people if they can just strip the birthright citizens right out of the voting process since many of the birthrights are Hispanic/minorities.

Everybody is talking about the elections and sleeping on the birthright stuff - if he gets that citizenship stripped from millions of Americans, there's no need for suppression at the voting booth since it already happened.

On the one hand I agree with you that the elections are up to the states and these guardrails will hold… but at the end of the day if congress gop’rs just flat out say we ain’t leaving then who will enforce it?

Also, your same guardrail on elections should be applied to birthright. You’re saying scotus will strike it down and automatically millions of us born citizens will be deported or at least be stripped of their vote? In my mind that seems less likely than direct ballot box interference, suspending election, ignoring results

At the end of the day the shit has to be enforced and as of today I don’t hold much faith in that muscle.

#4362
11 hours ago, RomaVicta said:

Ladies and gentlemen, political discourse brought to you by decades of GOPs (Newt in the House), Rush, and their moron chorus.

ICE is murdering people. Doing bad things. NFL politics:

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There is only the context of the party. This fuckwad is sure that that is a killing response.

Dude's not wrong, man. Mainstream Dems are fucking useless.

ICE was doing all sorts of terrible shit 5-10 years ago. The AOCs of the world said "abolish ICE." The Pelosis and Schumers of the world said "thats bad politics! We must give them more funding to show we're tough on crime!" So then the majority of the Democratic Party voted to increase ICE funding to show they weren't pussies. Which is ironically the biggest pussy move ever.

Mainstream Dems 100% deserve blame for the creation of this fucking monster.

#4363

Even now, what are mainstream Dems going to propose to fix this mess? Where the fuck are they with anything but strongly worded letters?

My guess is they'll suggest ICE just needs a little more training! Plus some more money and officers of course! The usual mainstream Dem "fix"

#4364
On 1/13/2026 at 1:19 AM, Satchel said:

The Department of Homeland Security shared a propaganda video on the social media site X.

https://sojo.net/articles/opinion/ice-quotes-bible-new-propaganda-video

The one-minute video opens with footage of helicopters taking off, and a man with a thick Southern accent says, “Here’s a Bible verse I think about sometimes. Many times.” As people in military fatigues don masks and ready weapons inside the helicopter, the man quotes Isaiah 6:8: “I heard the voice of the Lord, saying: ‘Whom shall I send, and who will go for us?’”

 As the helicopter takes off, a sonorous cover of Johnny Cash’s “God’s Gonna Cut You Down” plays before the man finishes the verse: “I said, ‘Here am I. Send me.’” A cut to a close-up of an arm patch that reads “U.S. Customs and Border Protection.” The final half of the video cycles through shots of ICE agents patrolling a river, flying over the border wall, and looking through night vision while singers chant, “Sooner or later, God’ll cut you down.”

In other words, the video rips Isaiah’s call narrative (6:1-13) out of its original context to baptize ICE’s war on non-white Americans.

Here’s a Bible verse I think about sometimes.

Leviticus 19:33-34

33 “When an alien resides with you in your land, you shall not oppress the alien. 34 The alien who resides with you shall be to you as the native-born among you; you shall love the alien as yourself, for you were aliens in the land of Egypt: I am the Lord your God.

#4365
11 minutes ago, MotownHorn said:

Dude's not wrong, man. Mainstream Dems are fucking useless.

ICE was doing all sorts of terrible shit 5-10 years ago. The AOCs of the world said "abolish ICE." The Pelosis and Schumers of the world said "thats bad politics! We must give them more funding to show we're tough on crime!" So then the majority of the Democratic Party voted to increase ICE funding to show they weren't pussies. Which is ironically the biggest pussy move ever.

Mainstream Dems 100% deserve blame for the creation of this fucking monster.

So, you think that's relevant to ICE murdering and assaulting citizens today? That was the topic not the history of ICE. What do Biden or Obama or Bush have to do with deploying ICE as an occupation force in American cities?

Dude states a fact, I suppose. Dude don't make no argument. Dude just looking out for his team. Dude don't care about the murder and assault part, dude.

#4366
14 minutes ago, MotownHorn said:

Even now, what are mainstream Dems going to propose to fix this mess? Where the fuck are they with anything but strongly worded letters?

My guess is they'll suggest ICE just needs a little more training! Plus some more money and officers of course! The usual mainstream Dem "fix"

ICE murders woman. Dems bad. Dem's fault.

You're a fucking idiot or amateur operative or both. Hope you got a shitty price for your soul, dude.

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#4367
16 hours ago, HenryJames said:

The asshole at 1:32 (ERO vest) is trying to block the photographers from taking pictures.

#4368
32 minutes ago, MotownHorn said:

Dude's not wrong, man. Mainstream Dems are fucking useless.

ICE was doing all sorts of terrible shit 5-10 years ago. The AOCs of the world said "abolish ICE." The Pelosis and Schumers of the world said "thats bad politics! We must give them more funding to show we're tough on crime!" So then the majority of the Democratic Party voted to increase ICE funding to show they weren't pussies. Which is ironically the biggest pussy move ever.

Mainstream Dems 100% deserve blame for the creation of this fucking monster.

How many citizens were murdered by ICE while Biden was in office?

#4369
29 minutes ago, WhatTheBuck said:

Here’s a Bible verse I think about sometimes.

Leviticus 19:33-34

33 “When an alien resides with you in your land, you shall not oppress the alien. 34 The alien who resides with you shall be to you as the native-born among you; you shall love the alien as yourself, for you were aliens in the land of Egypt: I am the Lord your God.

"That's the Jewish Testament!" - MAGA

#4370
19 minutes ago, South Austin said:

"That's the Jewish Testament!" - MAGA

The first book they quote when condemning the gays.

#4371
6 hours ago, bolverk said:

Oh, and don't forget the State of Texas just handed over all of our voter registration information to cross-reference against I-don't-know-what to better target the precincts they'll crack down hard on.

5 hours ago, hobbes2702 said:

He doesn’t need to cancel elections or declare martial law. He just needs enough of his goons and the threats they impose to get fewer people in voting lines. The goal is suppression… for now

Exactly. ICE will be out in force "to secure our election against bad actors like Antifa who rigged 2020." They voter registrations tell them where Dems live, so they can put the (very few) polling places in areas that are difficult for Dems to get to. Then they'll put out a bunch of masked ICE agents with weapons and maybe a Confederate flag to intimidate brown people into staying home. Then when the ICE agents escort the ballot boxes, some ballots will go missing, etc.

There is no fixing this with elections when the other side has all the power and is willing to cheat.

#4372
1 minute ago, TexArcher said:

Exactly. ICE will be out in force "to secure our election against bad actors like Antifa who rigged 2020." They voter registrations tell them where Dems live, so they can put the (very few) polling places in areas that are difficult for Dems to get to. Then they'll put out a bunch of masked ICE agents with weapons and maybe a Confederate flag to intimidate brown people into staying home. Then when the ICE agents escort the ballot boxes, some ballots will go missing, etc.

There is no fixing this with elections when the other side has all the power and is willing to cheat.

A law school classmate told me that I sort of look like a New York Italian, so I'll probably get pulled out of the ballot line and detained indefinitely.

#4374
23 minutes ago, Pancho said:

What I don't understand is why we haven't seen Bivens-claim civil rights suits filling the court clerks' offices all over. These are good cases. FFS, the official policy AND manufacturer's instructions on pepper balls (for example) expressly say "do not shoot people in the face with this." It is clearly established law that it is wrong to violate official policy and manufacturer's plain instructions for a less-than-lethal device. It's a winner of a case.

#4375
1 hour ago, TexArcher said:

Exactly. ICE will be out in force "to secure our election against bad actors like Antifa who rigged 2020." They voter registrations tell them where Dems live, so they can put the (very few) polling places in areas that are difficult for Dems to get to. Then they'll put out a bunch of masked ICE agents with weapons and maybe a Confederate flag to intimidate brown people into staying home. Then when the ICE agents escort the ballot boxes, some ballots will go missing, etc.

There is no fixing this with elections when the other side has all the power and is willing to cheat.

They could:

  1. Review the names on the registration rolls against names in their deportation database, looking for matches. (Only the names need to match. They don't need to be the same person. There are a lot "Hector Gonzales" in the world. For reference, see Florida's scrubbing of registrations in 2000.)

  2. They send in ICE to monitor the polling station with the justification looking for the deportation suspect. That's the initial rationalization for everything else.

  3. While they are there, they execute Kavanaugh Stops on any brown person.

  4. When they get the predictable reactions from the other people in line, they go into full riot mode.

  5. They cut voter participation at certain polling stations by more than 50%.

None of this has to be legal. Democrats and candidates can file suits after the fact. But it won't change the election results. And ICE can kill people without criminal repercussions, so nobody is getting criminal charges for this.

#4376
2 hours ago, RomaVicta said:

ICE murders woman. Dems bad. Dem's fault.

You're a fucking idiot or amateur operative or both. Hope you got a shitty price for your soul, dude.

So I actually have a Ph.D. in American Politics, about a dozen peer reviewed publications in the field, etc. I also helped legalize marijuana.

Sorry I don't tickle Chuck Schumer's balls while you deep throat him as he's penning a strongly worded useless letter. I like action and shit. Call me crazy.

#4377
1 minute ago, MotownHorn said:

So I actually have a Ph.D. in American Politics, about a dozen peer reviewed publications in the field, etc. I also helped legalize marijuana.

Sorry I don't tickle Chuck Schumer's balls while you deep throat him as he's penning a strongly worded useless letter. I like action and shit. Call me crazy.

Awesome. Go fuck yourself.

#4378

Calling me soulless because I don't support the fucking ghouls who voted to increase ICE funding while others were sounding the warning alarm about ICE is quite a hilarious take too.

Escape the two party prison, people. Dems ain't saving us. They work for the same people Republicans do.

#4380

If you're waiting for Pete Buttigieg, Chuck Schumer, and Hakeem Jeffries to fix this situation you're going to be waiting a long fucking time is all I have to say. Bye.

#4383
24 minutes ago, MotownHorn said:

So I actually have a Ph.D. in American Politics, about a dozen peer reviewed publications in the field, etc. I also helped legalize marijuana.

I have an MA in populists/Populists during the Gilded Age and the Progressive Era so yall should all probably just agree with me.

#4384
50 minutes ago, Tuco said:

They could:

  1. Review the names on the registration rolls against names in their deportation database, looking for matches. (Only the names need to match. They don't need to be the same person. There are a lot "Hector Gonzales" in the world. For reference, see Florida's scrubbing of registrations in 2000.)

  2. They send in ICE to monitor the polling station with the justification looking for the deportation suspect. That's the initial rationalization for everything else.

  3. While they are there, they execute Kavanaugh Stops on any brown person.

  4. When they get the predictable reactions from the other people in line, they go into full riot mode.

  5. They cut voter participation at certain polling stations by more than 50%.

None of this has to be legal. Democrats and candidates can file suits after the fact. But it won't change the election results. And ICE can kill people without criminal repercussions, so nobody is getting criminal charges for this.

Exactly. Everything we can brainstorm is on the table, and they'll think of more that won't even occur to us because we're not demonic pieces of shit.

#4386
2 hours ago, MotownHorn said:

So I actually have a Ph.D. in American Politics, about a dozen peer reviewed publications in the field, etc. I also helped legalize marijuana.

Sorry I don't tickle Chuck Schumer's balls while you deep throat him as he's penning a strongly worded useless letter. I like action and shit. Call me crazy.

Grenada University is supposed to be the bomb. Thank for reinforcing my contention that the flood of grad degrees is producing credentials with no real meaning.

I said nothing defending the Dems, dullard. So, here you are persisting in the same irrelevant partisan bullshit. Woman murdered; let's talk about the Dems.

I'm not calling you crazy. I'm calling you stupid or willfully obtuse.

Where's the website where I can get my PhD? When I'm getting crushed in a discussion, I'll want to whip that out to prove the strength of my argument, dude.

I know. I know. Harvard where you spent the weekends flying in your helicopter to NYC to screw models. I bet you have pictures and everything, dude.

#4387
2 hours ago, MotownHorn said:

So I actually have a Ph.D. in American Politics, about a dozen peer reviewed publications in the field, etc. I also helped legalize marijuana.

Sorry I don't tickle Chuck Schumer's balls while you deep throat him as he's penning a strongly worded useless letter. I like action and shit. Call me crazy.

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#4388
3 hours ago, Brisketexan said:

What I don't understand is why we haven't seen Bivens-claim civil rights suits filling the court clerks' offices all over. These are good cases. FFS, the official policy AND manufacturer's instructions on pepper balls (for example) expressly say "do not shoot people in the face with this." It is clearly established law that it is wrong to violate official policy and manufacturer's plain instructions for a less-than-lethal device. It's a winner of a case.

I bet ICE pulls the tags off their mattresses and pillow cases as well. This is like the “perfidy” case the NYT made re: Venezuelan boat strike. It doesn’t make a shit (not saying it shouldn’t but you can’t have rational arguments with irrational people)

No legal claim or long speech in congress is going to do shit. Have to doxx all these fuckers, put their shit on blast and make them feel the fear that our fellow citizens do. That is bare minimum. Also vote in Ds to congress that aren’t “both sides” cowards and/or lifelong political hacks.

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#4390
5 hours ago, bluto said:

On the one hand I agree with you that the elections are up to the states and these guardrails will hold… but at the end of the day if congress gop’rs just flat out say we ain’t leaving then who will enforce it?

Also, your same guardrail on elections should be applied to birthright. You’re saying scotus will strike it down and automatically millions of us born citizens will be deported or at least be stripped of their vote? In my mind that seems less likely than direct ballot box interference, suspending election, ignoring results

At the end of the day the shit has to be enforced and as of today I don’t hold much faith in that muscle.

Atom has always had 100% confidence that the thousand guardrails that have already fallen would never fall, he's never learned anything from all the shit he was wrong about, and he'll never learn anything the next 500 times it becomes painfully obvious he's been wrong again. He'll say it's optimism, but it's just cope to keep from acknowledging that things are really as bad as they seem.

#4392
8 hours ago, MotownHorn said:

Dude's not wrong, man. Mainstream Dems are fucking useless.

ICE was doing all sorts of terrible shit 5-10 years ago. The AOCs of the world said "abolish ICE." The Pelosis and Schumers of the world said "thats bad politics! We must give them more funding to show we're tough on crime!" So then the majority of the Democratic Party voted to increase ICE funding to show they weren't pussies. Which is ironically the biggest pussy move ever.

Mainstream Dems 100% deserve blame for the creation of this fucking monster.

Reminder that the now VA governor Spanberger was caught blaming the BLM protests in 2020 for hurting her re-election chances because suddenly all the swing voters actually cared about funding police. We aren't going to de-nazify these departments with more training and thus more funding, the current leadership in the party won't have the balls to truly meet the moment when they have the opportunity.

#4393
5 hours ago, MotownHorn said:

So I actually have a Ph.D. in American Politics, about a dozen peer reviewed publications in the field, etc. I also helped legalize marijuana.

I had relations with your mom

#4394
3 hours ago, Hank Kingsley said:

Things will continue to get worse, but Ken getting a lot of leaks now when previously all these little Nazis were happy to keep their lips shut while they bashed brown people's faces in should have to indicate this all will come crumbling down at some point. Anyone who was part of CBP or ICE before November 2024 is almost certainly a psychopath at the very least, so what is going to happen if even these people are breaking ranks.

#4397

Probably joined ICE because his parents are disappointed that he isn't doctor, lawyer or engineer 🤣

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#4398
5 hours ago, wildcat09 said:

Atom has always had 100% confidence that the thousand guardrails that have already fallen would never fall, he's never learned anything from all the shit he was wrong about, and he'll never learn anything the next 500 times it becomes painfully obvious he's been wrong again. He'll say it's optimism, but it's just cope to keep from acknowledging that things are really as bad as they seem.

LOL, bless your heart, you all think they are going to wait until actual election day to try and fuck around with elections, even though they don't have nearly enough agents to scatter around the country.

They started trying to rig it last year by going after birthright citizenship, and I don't have faith that the Supreme Court will uphold the Constitution when it comes up in the next few weeks. If the Supreme Court gives Trump the win, one of the first things he's going to do is try and strip voting rights from those millions of people who fall into that category (and you can guess what shade the skin is of a lot of them).

If it's not clear: They don't have to do shit at the polls if Trump gets the win on the birthright stuff and with a few clicks of a mouse button, directives are sent out to purge them from voting rolls.

Edited by atomheartbevo

#4399
2 minutes ago, atomheartbevo said:

LOL, bless your heart, you all think they are going to wait until actual election day to try and fuck around with elections, even though they don't have nearly enough agents to scatter around the country.

They started trying to rig it last year by going after birthright citizenship, and I don't have faith that the Supreme Court will uphold the Constitution when it comes up in the next few weeks. If the Supreme Court gives Trump the win, one of the first things he's going to do is try and strip voting rights from those millions of people who fall into that category (and you can guess what shade the skin is of a lot of them).

I’m sure they would do that also. I’m not sure why you’re pretending they won’t try to do everything they can to fuck with elections. Pretty easy for ICE to start snagging brown people from election lines.

#4400
8 hours ago, MotownHorn said:

So I actually have a Ph.D. in American Politics, about a dozen peer reviewed publications in the field, etc. I also helped legalize marijuana.

Sorry I don't tickle Chuck Schumer's balls while you deep throat him as he's penning a strongly worded useless letter. I like action and shit. Call me crazy.

What office are you running for?

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