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boom :: the return of supersonic commercial air travel

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I’ve been watching and it’s cool, but there were Concordes that flew commercially for 30 years. 

7 minutes ago, Lat22 said:

I’ve been watching and it’s cool, but there were Concordes that flew commercially for 30 years. 

That's why the thread is titled return of supersonic commercial air travel.

I lived in Northern Virginia for a while as a kid and we would see the Concorde approaching and leaving Dulles airport on a regular basis.

14 minutes ago, Jerry Callo said:

That's why the thread is titled return of supersonic commercial air travel.

I noticed that after my post. 😆

Dad used to fly on the Concorde occasionally.

Said that the ceiling was hot to the touch.

8 minutes ago, huge said:

Dad used to fly on the Concorde occasionally.

Said that the ceiling was hot to the touch.

They had to land with the bathroom doors open because otherwise the doors would be stuck closed.  Or so I have been reliable informed.

19 minutes ago, blacklab said:

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How many passengers is that going to hold?

1?

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It was a 1/3rd scale model of the full size airframe. They wanted to prove the geometry and supersonic performance before moving into full size

2 hours ago, Jerry Callo said:

That's why the thread is titled return of supersonic commercial air travel.

I lived in Northern Virginia for a while as a kid and we would see the Concorde approaching and leaving Dulles airport on a regular basis.

Centreville, holla!

and HTTR!

36 minutes ago, 4th and 5 said:

Centreville, holla!

and HTTR!

I was in Herndon and was brave enough to wear a Dallas Cowboys shirt around.

Boeing thought about this 50 years ago, then realized airlines were in the (trying to) make money business. d170dad53692db9a91f4866d1b415972.jpg

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that's a concorde not a 2707

continental was one of the original concorde customers that cancelled

https://www.heritageconcorde.com/concorde-orders-and-options

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this to-scale rendering of the projected CO fleet after retirement of the Viscounts and before the Bass livery (the classic black then later red 'meatball' "contrails" livery, may, 68)

this rendering shows the giant size of the 2707 which was projected to carry 250 pax v. Concorde's 100

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bonus street cred for anyone who can identify this location:

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here's a smattering of the best 2707 pics on the net, AAA (admiral ancient authentica) rated

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the following are of a half-size mockup (i think....) but definitely not real size

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38 minutes ago, Hagbard Celine said:

that's a concorde not a 2707

continental was one of the original concorde customers that cancelled

https://www.heritageconcorde.com/concorde-orders-and-options

image.jpeg.4d2fbde2e3e18dc7db8b1bccb5166154.jpegimage.jpeg.73fb713f4c770ed2863f378068225ff0.jpeg

this to-scale rendering of the projected CO fleet after retirement of the Viscounts and before the Bass livery (the classic black then later red 'meatball' "contrails" livery, may, 68)

this rendering shows the giant size of the 2707 which was projected to carry 250 pax v. Concorde's 100

image.jpeg.10277fee12312c40913d187d58ecb52c.jpeg

bonus street cred for anyone who can identify this location:

image.thumb.jpeg.5fd77504071bd02e41cb4f1f4b3fba02.jpeg

 

What is Switzerland?

Cool story time - ceramic brake pads were first designed for the Concord to improve stopping distance

The more you know....

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the swingwing and doubledroop nose were bad ass..... but not wise choices; the final version was the -300 with a fixed wing and single-pivot nose:

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36 minutes ago, Elvis said:

What is Switzerland?

negatory

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3 hours ago, Captainant said:

It was a 1/3rd scale model of the full size airframe. They wanted to prove the geometry and supersonic performance before moving into full size

negatory

it was a test article to prove they could do it

some of the systems will be in the production machine

but it's a horse of a different color...

@blacklab target seating is for 55 pax

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1 hour ago, Hagbard Celine said:

bonus street cred for anyone who can identify this location:

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Denver-Stapleton.

Boom is cool, and I hope they succeed. To me, supersonic commercial transportation is far more interesting/value-added than landing a rocket booster on a tower, or whatever other media stunt Elon is up to these days. But as mentioned upthread, the airline industry is largely unprofitable, so any new ops spec candidates will have a mountain of a business case to climb.

current order book for Overture:
UA 15
AA 20
JAL (20 options)
unidentified (51 options)
 
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Lolz. This shit will never happen.

 

Just now, DaysOff said:


Lolz. This shit will never happen.

It'll happen, it'll make negative eight billion dollars, and be cancelled.

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22 minutes ago, SuperSport said:

Denver-Stapleton.

we have a winner

4 minutes ago, Rimbo said:

It'll happen, it'll make negative eight billion dollars, and be cancelled.

maybe

maybe not

16 hours ago, Hagbard Celine said:

current order book for Overture:

UA 15

AA 20

JAL (20 options)

unidentified (51 options)

 

 

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"Yes Mr Rojo, I understand you paid $8,000 for Business Class. But since AUS-JFK is now 1hr and 50 minutes, please enjoy your bag of puffed chickpeas and coke Zero"

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great article on boom's current status

https://jdasolutions.aero/blog/booms-xb-1-passed-mach-1-122-what-we-learned-and-what-we-didnt-hear/

attention now turns to the bespoke engines

boom had a deal with rolls-royce which collapsed 3 years ago

at the end of 22 they announced "florida turbine technologies" a subsidiary of "kratos defense and security solutions" (NASD:KTOS) would build a clean-sheet bespoke powerplant that didn't need afterburners and would run on green fuel

the most recent update i see on the engines is from july:

https://boomsupersonic.com/press-release/boom-supersonic-accelerates-overture-aircraft-and-engine-development

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Symphony engine advances to hardware testing; engine core to be operational in 18 months

Boom revealed in June that it is already building and rig-testing Symphony hardware, starting with a full-scale test of combustor aerodynamics. The first 3D-printed parts have been produced for Symphony, including fuel nozzles and turbine center frames.

These hardware tests began just 18 months after the initial announcement of Symphony, demonstrating Boom’s rapid development approach. As part of this strategy, the company will conduct more than 30 engine hardware rig tests, allowing for validation and optimization of all key engine components, ranging from fan and nozzle acoustics to combustor fuel efficiency.

Boom also announced that it has accelerated development of a full-scale engine core, which will be operational in late 2025. Engine core testing will analyze performance of the compressor, combustor, and turbine section. Data gathered will further refine engineering and expedite production of a fully certified engine. Following this rapid development approach, Boom expects to build and test multiple iterations before certifying the final refined engine.

Boom also expanded its existing MRO partnership with StandardAero to include the production of Symphony. StandardAero will assemble and test Symphony engines at its facility in San Antonio, Texas. The Symphony assembly line will scale to produce 330 engines annually within a footprint projected to total over 100,000 square feet of production space.

“We are excited to expand our role to include the assembly and testing of Symphony engines, further supporting the development of next-generation flight with Boom,” said Russell Ford, Chairman and CEO of StandardAero. “Our collaboration is a testament to StandardAero’s world-class engineering capabilities and dedication to delivering solutions that power the future of air travel.”

Additionally, Boom announced it is teaming with aerospace leader ATI, Inc. for advanced high-temperature materials and components for Symphony’s high pressure compressor integrated blade and disk stages and for its turbine assembly. These advanced nickel-based superalloys will enable Symphony to achieve high performance and reliability in sustained supersonic operation.

Overture remains on target to achieve FAA and EASA certification by the end of the decade.

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On 1/29/2025 at 10:00 AM, Pescado_Rojo said:

"Yes Mr Rojo, I understand you paid $8,000 for Business Class. But since AUS-JFK is now 1hr and 50 minutes, please enjoy your bag of puffed chickpeas and coke Zero"

overland operations remain unlikely pending some unforeseen breakthrough

In light of the week in aviation we have just had...I suggest they consider changing the company name.

On 1/28/2025 at 11:52 AM, huge said:

Dad used to fly on the Concorde occasionally.

Said that the ceiling was hot to the touch.

The roof, the roof, the roof is on fire?   We don't need no water let the motherfucker burn! 

Maybe I'm missing something, but I thought supersonic flight over the continental US is forbidden because of the sonic boom. Has something changed in air/sound waves?

So still no flights to Van Horn?

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In the late 1970s M. J. Mitchell, the president of the Van Horn chamber of commerce, formally invited British Airways to make Van Horn one of the Concorde's regular stops. Citing the area's minimal air traffic, sparse population, and convenient location midway between the Pacific and Atlantic coasts, Mitchell promised to renovate the Van Horn airport to accommodate the supersonic jets and offered British Airways the rent-free use of a thousand acres for fifty years, but the airline opted to make New York and Washington, D.C., its stateside terminals instead.

 

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