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1 hour ago, Seasick Sailor said:

Fuck this ump

They never call the upper zone, and it kills Giles. No one can touch is 98+ mph fb in the upper zone, but he never gets the call.

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40 minutes ago, Fozzz said:

Every pitcher in baseball has repeated fuck ups. 

Let’s zero in on a definition of “repeated.” To me, a volcano has “repeated” eruptions when there’s some separation between them. Giles, by contrast, has morphed into Kīlauea. 

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1 hour ago, Fozzz said:

Giles is a solid closer. Y’all are silly. 

It’s all between the ears. And he doesn’t have it. 

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As my inside source said the other day, “we have a psychiatrist on the payroll, so hopefully Giles will be OK.”

That shrink had a lot of work ahead of him/her. 

we're in great shape.  if giles repeats his 2017 regular season, we'll win a lot of close games.  if he slips, we have options and can trade for someone.  considering what happened last oct, i would be shocked if we didn't make a move for 1-2 relievers in july anyway.

like a lot of closers, he loses his shit when it's not a save situation.

Serious question:
Are the Astros going to go 162-0?

Of course. What the fuck is wrong with you?!!!?
1 hour ago, Planet Houston said:

As my inside source said the other day, “we have a psychiatrist on the payroll, so hopefully Giles will be OK.”

That shrink had a lot of work ahead of him/her. 

He fucking worries me

Glorious opener today. The negativity surrounding Giles is overshadowed by beating the strangers with their lone TOR starter going. Looking forward to an unprecedented 162-0 regular season. 

The Giles negativity is going to get annoying this year. Let the guy pitch. If he's not cutting it I am sure Luhnow will make a move. Bitching every game is going to get old. No pitcher is perfect.

6 minutes ago, ERhine said:

The Giles negativity is going to get annoying this year. Let the guy pitch. If he's not cutting it I am sure Luhnow will make a move. Bitching every game is going to get old. No pitcher is perfect.

We got rid of teh gerg and dumpster fiers, so someone has to be our whipping boy

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So, my wife is from Fort Worth, and she has two younger brothers who are massive Ranger fans and still live up there. Let’s just say that owning your brothers-in-law in sports is very fun, especially when they have to pony up after your team wins a World Series. 

This is now a part of MMP outside of the center field gate. I saw it today for the first time. 

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Giles is on my fantasy team, I'm rooting he gets close to 40 saves. Not sure how many opportunities he needs to get them, I'm hoping 40.

So, my wife is from Fort Worth, and she has two younger brothers who are massive Ranger fans and still live up there. Let’s just say that owning your brothers-in-law in sports is very fun, especially when they have to pony up after your team wins a World Series. 
This is now a part of MMP outside of the center field gate. I saw it today for the first time. 
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You are my hero

Giles was the 4th best closer last year in the regular season I think. 

Then we lit up Kimbrel, Chapman and Jansen in the playoffs. 

Juiced Gagne doesn’t exist anymore. Nor does That year Lidge didn’t blow a save for the Phillies?

Chill out 

i'm probably going to bet big and often on this team this year. who's with me?!

39 minutes ago, maninblack said:


Lost a bet

Well. To be fair, that is, in the strictest and most technical sense of the term, a man. And he is wearing, among other colors but mostly, the color black.

I mean... It's still a goddamned abomination, but ya know.

Yuli was placed on the restricted list and not the DL to start the season.  He started his five game suspension today and will be available on Tuesday.  

9 hours ago, henrygandorf said:

yeah, can we at least wait until he actually blows a save?

He blew the shutout with virtually no pressure...except gasp! A baserunner.

 

It isn’t that he gave up a run either, except that the manner in which he did it is complete bullshit.  Winners don’t do the things he does, as often and in the untimely fashion in which he fucks up.

 

I’m taking this from a post by Jason Marbach on Crawfish Boxes. But the upshot is, the hand-wringing over Giles is all out of proportion to his performance. It’s not backed up by data at all. 

 Giles is one of the five best "closers" in baseball. That’s a hill I’m comfortable dying on.

Consider this…among "closers" (defined loosely as guys who are currently closing games, or at least finished 2017 closing games) with a minimum 50 IP, Giles placed thusly in 2017:

  • 5th in FIP (behind Jansen, Kimbrel, Osuna, & Joakim Soria)
  • 8th in xFIP (Kimbrel, Jansen, Osuna, Brad Hand, Corey Knebel, Felipe Rivero, & Joakim Soria)
  • 8th in K/9 (Kimbrel, Knebel, Jansen, Aroldis Chapman, Cody Allen, Edwin Diaz, Wade Davis)
  • 4th in K% (Kimbrel, Jansen, Knebel)
  • 7th in SIERA (Kimbrel, Jansen, Osuna, Hand, Knebel, & Sean Doolittle)
  • 7th in ERA- (Kimbrel, Jansen, Felipe Rivero, Knebel, Hand, Wade Davis)
  • 5th in FIP- (Jansen, Kimbrel, Osuna, Soria)
  • 8th in xFIP- (Kimbrel, Jansen, Osuna, Hand, Knebel, Soria, Rivero)
  • 8th in RE24 (Kimbrel, Knebel, Hand, Jansen, Rivero, Raisel Iglesias, Wade Davis)
  • 11th in WPA (Jansen, Kimbrel, Knebel, Hand, Wade Davis, Rivero, Doolittle, Raisel Iglesias, Alex Colome, Arodys Vizcaino)

So he’s top 8 in every one of those categories except WPA, and he’s 11th there. Here’s the kicker, though…there are only two guys (Jansen and Kimbrel) who are ahead of him on every one of those lists. And there are only two more who are ahead of him on enough lists to merit consideration ahead of him overall: Roberto Osuna and Corey Knebel, who obviously had a career year last year that may or may not prove sustainable ultimately.

Speaking of longevity, I took these guys and plugged them all into the custom player splits and filtered from 2014 through today, to show the entire breadth of Giles’ MLB time. Want to know where he places in some rate stats among this crowd overall, since 2014?

4th in K%, 5th in K/9, 4th in FIP, and 3rd in xFIP.

Giles is in postseason form. I don’t see why anyone’s complaining. I’m worried about the Altuve slump. This team is going to crush the AL and face the Yanks again in the ALCS, where the better pitching of the Astros will win out.

Why you no like the 162 RBI pace for Altuve?

So, we get to play another game today?

God, I love baseball season. 

So do you guys think this team is going to lose a game this year?
I mean, they have to right?

But when I look at it on paper, I’m just not seeing it

Giles is in postseason form. I don’t see why anyone’s complaining. I’m worried about the Altuve slump.

I was going to post the same.
The .000 BA next to Altuve’s name is simply unacceptable.
Good thing Correa came through late with the oppo double or I’d be really concerned about that part of our lineup




(Sarcasm before some of you think otherwise)
1 hour ago, formermav43 said:

I’m taking this from a post by Jason Marbach on Crawfish Boxes. But the upshot is, the hand-wringing over Giles is all out of proportion to his performance. It’s not backed up by data at all. 

 

 

Since the role of the traditional closer seems to be changing, I looked at where Giles ranked last year compared to all relievers with at least 50 IP (150 total pitchers). 

ERA: 16th (2.30); FIP: 11th (2.39); BB/9: 60th (3.02); GB%: 76th (44%); HR/9: 24th (0.57)

The walks are, I think, what drives people crazy. He simply walks too many hitters for a guy pitching in high-leverage situations. And the 3.02 BB/9 last year was down from 3.43 in 2016. (Jansen, by comparison, had 0.92; Kimbrel 1.83; Osuna 1.27; etc.)

I think people lose faith anecdotally in a "closer" who walks people. And then I think this is reinforced by his body language - he doesn't exactly appear confident out there, whether that's true or not. I think this is why the consensus on him among Astros fans lags behind how good the data suggests he actually is. 

That said, I do think there are better relievers on the club. I don't necessarily think Giles should be the default 9th inning guy. 

1 hour ago, slorch said:

Why you no like the 162 RBI pace for Altuve?

I'm more excited about the 162 infield hit pace for McCann despite being the slowest man in MLB last year.  Adding a new dimension to his game.

I gotta sign my lease on my apt in Houston (right by the stadium, holla) on Monday. Who wants to take me to Opening Day?

11 minutes ago, Hank Chinaski said:

Since the role of the traditional closer seems to be changing, I looked at where Giles ranked last year compared to all relievers with at least 50 IP (150 total pitchers). 

ERA: 16th (2.30); FIP: 11th (2.39); BB/9: 60th (3.02); GB%: 76th (44%); HR/9: 24th (0.57)

The walks are, I think, what drives people crazy. He simply walks too many hitters for a guy pitching in high-leverage situations. And the 3.02 BB/9 last year was down from 3.43 in 2016. (Jansen, by comparison, had 0.92; Kimbrel 1.83; Osuna 1.27; etc.)

I think people lose faith anecdotally in a "closer" who walks people. And then I think this is reinforced by his body language - he doesn't exactly appear confident out there, whether that's true or not. I think this is why the consensus on him among Astros fans lags behind how good the data suggests he actually is. 

That said, I do think there are better relievers on the club. I don't necessarily think Giles should be the default 9th inning guy. 

I wanna know why 4-0, it wasn’t Joe Smith

1 minute ago, UTPhil2006 said:

I gotta sign my lease on my apt in Houston (right by the stadium, holla) on Monday. Who wants to take me to Opening Day?

On the contrary, you should be volunteering to take us to Opening Day. Pre-party at UTPhil2006's pad!

15 minutes ago, Hank Chinaski said:

Since the role of the traditional closer seems to be changing, I looked at where Giles ranked last year compared to all relievers with at least 50 IP (150 total pitchers). 

ERA: 16th (2.30); FIP: 11th (2.39); BB/9: 60th (3.02); GB%: 76th (44%); HR/9: 24th (0.57)

The walks are, I think, what drives people crazy. He simply walks too many hitters for a guy pitching in high-leverage situations. And the 3.02 BB/9 last year was down from 3.43 in 2016. (Jansen, by comparison, had 0.92; Kimbrel 1.83; Osuna 1.27; etc.)

I think people lose faith anecdotally in a "closer" who walks people. And then I think this is reinforced by his body language - he doesn't exactly appear confident out there, whether that's true or not. I think this is why the consensus on him among Astros fans lags behind how good the data suggests he actually is. 

That said, I do think there are better relievers on the club. I don't necessarily think Giles should be the default 9th inning guy. 

Even if there are better relievers on the club, as you point out, the role of the traditional closer is changing. Why should your best reliever be the default 9th inning guy? (You might not be arguing that necessarily, but I realize some of that lies behind the Giles hate.)

Peacock pitched 132 innings last year. Devenski had 80 something. It’s more logical and valuable to use those two guys like an Andrew Miller, whenever there is a high leverage situation and/or potentially for multiple innings, than to arbitrarily assign them to the 9th and pitch 60 innings like Giles. Especially when he has been as good as anyone not named Kimbrel or Jansen at pitching the 9th anyway.

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One thing that is tough about judging relievers is that it's hard to obtain a big enough BIP sample to get a sense of their ability to suppress home runs on contact, which limits the usefulness of FIP.  With that limitation in mind, xFIP- for his major league career is probably the most holistic way to judge his performance, where he ranks 8th among all qualified relievers over that time period.  

1 minute ago, formermav43 said:

Even if there are better relievers on the club, as you point out, the role of the traditional closer is changing. Why should your best reliever be the default 9th inning guy?

Peacock pitched 132 innings last year. Devenski had 80 something. It’s more logical and valuable to use those two guys like an Andrew Miller, whenever there is a high leverage situation and/or potentially for multiple innings, than to arbitrarily assign them to the 9th and pitch 60 innings like Giles. Especially when he has been as good as anyone not named Kimbrel or Jansen at pitching the 9th anyway.

Absolutely. And maybe that's where we are heading. Maybe Giles came in yesterday not because it was the 9th, but because there was a 4-run lead. 

But I think we will see him as the 9th-inning guy more often than not. Which I'm not necessarily criticizing. I think AJ knows what he's doing. 

So do you guys think this team is going to lose a game this year?
I mean, they have to right?

But when I look at it on paper, I’m just not seeing it


You can't go 162-0 without winning the first one
11 hours ago, Gourmand said:

i'm probably going to bet big and often on this team this year. who's with me?!

I'm in. Hit the Astros -1.5 yesterday. Might take the same bet today or parlay an Astros win with another game. 

Until Giles is starting and we're resting half of our regulars, we should be favored in every game. 

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