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3 hours ago, Hank Chinaski said:

Look, I get frustrated with the guy too for seemingly always dealing with nagging injuries; he's not exactly Cal Ripken out there in that regard.

But he absolutely makes a huge difference in the lineup. He has a 134 wRC+ for his career, and 128 this year. That 128 ties him for 3rd among SS behind only Lindor and Machado, and it is fairly likely that that number will come up a bit (if he ever plays again). When he's out of the lineup, it means that Marwin or JD Davis is probably in. Marwin is sporting a wRC+ of 86 this year (14% below MLB average) and Davis is at 57 (43% below MLB average). 

So you're taking away a very good bat (+28%) and replacing it with a pretty bad one (-20%). Every day. That's a huge difference. 

Now take Altuve and his wRC+ of 139 out of the lineup also (1st among 2B in MLB), and now you have both Marwin and Davis in. So you're replacing 128 and 139 with 86 and 57. 

The offense is going to be very inconsistent (and very frustrating) with these guys out. Springer and Bregman can only do so much. 

My growing frustration with Correa isn't so much on the injury front. That's annoying, but I'll assume it can't be helped. It's just that I don't feel he's a demonstrably better hitter than when he broke into the bigs. I can't think of any good reason he shouldn't be, as it's a rare player who simply maintains a really solid start. Try putting a halfway decent MLB hitter/fielder in his place, and I think we'd really see Correa isn't all that.

Do I hope he suddenly turns it on and is a monster for the rest of a long career in Houston? Of course. I'm an Astros fan. But I'm by no means betting on this guy doing any of the following: (1) staying healthy; (2) getting better; or (3) being an Astro for life.  

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10 minutes ago, Gut Wagon said:

My growing frustration with Correa isn't so much on the injury front. That's annoying, but I'll assume it can't be helped. It's just that I don't feel he's a demonstrably better hitter than when he broke into the bigs. I can't think of any good reason he shouldn't be, as it's a rare player who simply maintains a really solid start. Try putting a halfway decent MLB hitter/fielder in his place, and I think we'd really see Correa isn't all that.

Do I hope he suddenly turns it on and is a monster for the rest of a long career in Houston? Of course. I'm an Astros fan. But I'm by no means betting on this guy doing any of the following: (1) staying healthy; (2) getting better; or (3) being an Astro for life.  

Correa in all of 2016: .274 with 20 HR.

Correa in 2/3 of 2017: .315 with 24 HR.

Correa in less than 1/2 of 2018: .268 with 13 HR.

Yes, his BA regressed some this season, but he was still on pace for 30-ish HR.  And he's still only 23.  He is definitely developing, if he can ever stay healthy, which is obviously a big concern.

He is already a metric fuckton better hitter than the vast majority of shortstops.

 

Edited by TexArcher

Tyler white signed lil shep shirt on field. Now not saying its coincidence but lilsheps track record speaks for itself 

2 minutes ago, TexArcher said:

Correa in all of 2016: .274 with 20 HR.

Correa in 2/3 of 2017: .315 with 24 HR.

Correa in less than 1/2 of 2018: .268 with 13 HR.

Yes, his BA regressed some this season, but he was still on pace for 30-ish HR.  And he's still on only 23.  He is definitely developing, if he can ever stay healthy, which is obviously a big concern.

He is already a metric fuckton better hitter than the vast majority of shortstops.

 

He's absolutely a good player, when healthy. HOF potential, I'd say. I just don't think it's a given he's more likely to be 2017 Correa the rest of his career than Marwin, Reddick or Springer is to repeat last season's anomalous bump. 

But part of my point is that, with Correa, it might not matter in the short term. Even when he and Altuve were at 100 percent earlier this season, we went through some incredibly feeble stretches on offense. Just about as bad as now. So I really don't think those two guys can elevate us to title level without a good bit of help from other guys. Whether those others are currently on the roster I don't know, but things don't look very encouraging right now. 

Tyler white signed lil shep shirt on field. Now not saying its coincidence but lilsheps track record speaks for itself 


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2 minutes ago, Gut Wagon said:

He's absolutely a good player, when healthy. HOF potential, I'd say. I just don't think it's a given he's more likely to be 2017 Correa the rest of his career than Marwin, Reddick or Springer is to repeat last season's anomalous bump. 

But part of my point is that, with Correa, it might not matter in the short term. Even when he and Altuve were at 100 percent earlier this season, we went through some incredibly feeble stretches on offense. Just about as bad as now. So I really don't think those two guys can elevate us to title level without a good bit of help from other guys. Whether those others are currently on the roster I don't know, but things don't look very encouraging right now. 

Yeah, I'm with you on a lot of that.  I loved having an offense that could put up 7+ on any given night last year.  And we don't have that right now. 

But then I have to remind myself that we're on pace for 102 wins anyway.  And we have the best rotation in MLB.  And the bullpen's improved.

We may just have to beat people 3-2 in the playoffs this time.  But we're built to be able to do that.

6 minutes ago, TexArcher said:

Yeah, I'm with you on a lot of that.  I loved having an offense that could put up 7+ on any given night last year.  And we don't have that right now. 

But then I have to remind myself that we're on pace for 102 wins anyway.  And we have the best rotation in MLB.  And the bullpen's improved.

We may just have to beat people 3-2 in the playoffs this time.  But we're built to be able to do that.

We're not far apart on thinking, really. I'm obviously hoping every concern I have about Correa, the struggling hitters and even Devo and Peacock is massively overblown. I'd love to look back on this in November and say, "Why was I at all concerned?" But I'm just trying to rely on my eyes and common sense right now, neither of which have me very confident. 

All that said...let's just win a bunch of games and see what happens.

 

 

Exactly.  There are concerns, but nothing as glaring as the gascan bullpen from last year.  And the 2017 Astros had stretches of really bad baseball, too.  It just happens.

If we have everybody healthy and ready to go for the ALDS, we're the favorite to win the whole thing.

25 minutes ago, Gut Wagon said:

My growing frustration with Correa isn't so much on the injury front. That's annoying, but I'll assume it can't be helped. It's just that I don't feel he's a demonstrably better hitter than when he broke into the bigs. I can't think of any good reason he shouldn't be, as it's a rare player who simply maintains a really solid start. Try putting a halfway decent MLB hitter/fielder in his place, and I think we'd really see Correa isn't all that.

Do I hope he suddenly turns it on and is a monster for the rest of a long career in Houston? Of course. I'm an Astros fan. But I'm by no means betting on this guy doing any of the following: (1) staying healthy; (2) getting better; or (3) being an Astro for life.  

He seemed to be making that "leap" last year - he was at .320/.400/.566 on July 17 and was a leading MVP candidate. He then missed the next 42 games with an injury. He's played in only 98 of the last 175 games since then. SO it's difficult to tell if he is improving. 

But even if he never improves, he's still one of the best few SS in baseball. It's all about health with him. 

1 minute ago, Hank Chinaski said:

He seemed to be making that "leap" last year - he was at .320/.400/.566 on July 17 and was a leading MVP candidate. He then missed the next 42 games with an injury. He's played in only 98 of the last 175 games since then. SO it's difficult to tell if he is improving. 

But even if he never improves, he's still one of the best few SS in baseball. It's all about health with him. 

Fair points. Hopefully we'll now get to see him in enough long stretches of health to know what he's truly capable of. We all know the ceiling is sky-high, but he has to be on the field for that to matter.

Lance is giving Maldonado a workout this inning.

The Rangers' broadcasters are saying that bunt attempt was "pretty close", so you know he fucking went.

The audio is fucked up on the Rangers' broadcast and it's ahead of the video feed.  It's very annoying.

What a clusterfuck play.

 

Profar just got blasted by yuli's cleat

 

 

This shit is so hard to watch. It’s just bad baseball right now.

1 minute ago, Chuckie Finster said:

This is torture. We’ll be lucky to still be in first by the time José returns.

 

Seattle, LA, SF.

It's a good bet we won't be. We might be in third.

Joey Gallo should make in instructional video on how to swing and miss at low breaking balls.  Not sure why anyone ever throws him anything else.

I’d rather have JD at 1st and Yuli at 3rd.

Yep. I don’t understand why Hinch won’t give Kemp a shot at 2nd. That was his main position in the minors. Then Yuli could play 3rd with White/Davis at 1st and Tucker/Davis in LF.

I’d rather have JD at 1st and Yuli at 3rd.


I’d rather have Kemp at second.
I’d rather have JD at 1st and Yuli at 3rd.
Id rather have Kemp at 2b

Yeah I wasn’t talking about this game specific. Marwin at 2. Yuli at 3. Bregs at SS. JD at 1.

I have no clue if Kemp can play 2b. If he can then fine.

5 minutes ago, David Dennison said:

Seattle, LA, SF.

It's a good bet we won't be. We might be in third.

Ugh. Would be one of the biggest letdown’s in Astros history if this team missed the playoffs.

Ugh. Would be one of the biggest letdown’s in Astros history if this team missed the playoffs.


It would be one of the biggest letdowns in MLB history.
Just now, perfectchaos007 said:

Ugh. Would be one of the biggest letdown’s in Astros history if this team missed the playoffs.

They need to get healthy. But right now, missing the playoffs is a real possibility. 

This is both pathetic and a bit concerning.

How comical those "run differential" arguments now seem. Actually, they seemed pretty comical at the time, given that the bloated stats clearly were being built against teams that didn't matter. 

Unfortunately, if we don't turn it around pronto, we could end up being one of those teams.

 

 

Edited by Gut Wagon

Man, there is a lot of bitchassedness on this last page.

Missing the playoffs?!?! Gtfo here with that.
I’ll give you the best record may not be happening, but missing the playoffs?
Stfu

3 minutes ago, UTexasFight said:

Man, there is a lot of bitchassedness on this last page.

Missing the playoffs?!?! Gtfo here with that.
I’ll give you the best record may not be happening, but missing the playoffs?
Stfu

It's a real possibility.

Man, there is a lot of bitchassedness on this last page.

Missing the playoffs?!?! Gtfo here with that.
I’ll give you the best record may not be happening, but missing the playoffs?
Stfu


We play Seattle and Oakland 13 times over the next 20 games. With THIS offense.
2 minutes ago, Chuckie Finster said:

We play Seattle and Oakland 13 times over the next 20 games. With THIS offense.

 

This is our concern, dude.

Missing two of our best players for who knows how long is a gut punch.

Oh, and we also play the Dodgers and Rockies in those 20 games.

Edited by David Dennison

I'm pretty sure we Astros fans don't want the team to crash and burn. But we can only judge it on what we see. Which isn't at all encouraging right now. Do we expect things to turn around? Sure. But did we expect the team to be struggling like this right now, with two other teams in the West showing really well? I don't think so. We're waiting for that sharp turnaround, and it needs to happen long before September. 

 

1 minute ago, Gut Wagon said:

I'm pretty sure we Astros fans don't want the team to crash and burn. But we can only judge it on what we see. Which isn't at all encouraging right now. Do we expect things to turn around? Sure. But did we expect the team to be struggling like this right now, with two other teams in the West showing really well? I don't think so. We're waiting for that sharp turnaround, and it needs to happen long before September. 

 

Last year's fifteen game lead made August easier to handle.

We have two teams right on our ass this year.

August is brutal and a third of our line up is a minor league team.

9 minutes ago, perfectchaos007 said:

I think Altuve will come back before Correa. Back injuries are so hard to predict how long they will last

That's just about guarantee I think.  Last year he played 6 games at Fresno in his rehab stint.  So if he doesn't start that until the end of the upcoming week.  He will probably be out for another 10-14 days at the minimum.

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Move Kemp to leadoff and White to the #3 hole. And pray for rainouts. 

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