December 17Dec 17 1 hour ago, Felix said: The base defense of pussies everywhere. The fucking military doesn't even believe this. If your fear gets to be the deciding factor in taking someones life, then there are no rules. I don't get how you guys can't see that? I'm not debating the morality here, just saying how the laws around this work. You may not like that, but it doesn't make it less so. Had the guy not stopped and got out of his car, we wouldn't have had a video of anything at all. Also, the military rules of engagement are a completely different concept entirely, and are not relatable to civilian self defense. This isn't the wild west. You can't just say, "It's comin right for us!" and go blasting away. There are lawful considerations which must be accounted for in order for it to be lawful self defense, and they vary by state, but most are similar and being in immediate danger of death or sever bodily harm is just one of those parts. I've never seen any self defense laws which require using a defensive response that is "equal or less" in strength than the attack. Whether that is morally right or wrong is a completely different discussion for other places.
December 17Dec 17 2 minutes ago, thunderlounge said: I'm not debating the morality here, just saying how the laws around this work. You may not like that, but it doesn't make it less so. Had the guy not stopped and got out of his car, we wouldn't have had a video of anything at all. Also, the military rules of engagement are a completely different concept entirely, and are not relatable to civilian self defense. This isn't the wild west. You can't just say, "It's comin right for us!" and go blasting away. There are lawful considerations which must be accounted for in order for it to be lawful self defense, and they vary by state, but most are similar and being in immediate danger of death or sever bodily harm is just one of those parts. I've never seen any self defense laws which require using a defensive response that is "equal or less" in strength than the attack. Whether that is morally right or wrong is a completely different discussion for other places. Why is it a discussion for other places? My exact point is that the law is immoral in this case. It's based on a morally indefensible argument put forth by people who are frightened by their own shadows who secretly yearn to shoot someone. I was in the army. I know exactly what the rules of engagement are based on, and my point stands. How can you be in fear for your life from an unarmed person on the outside of steel door, tempered glass window, in a vehicle that could have easily pushed the vehicle in front of it aside enough to go around it? The shooter made a choice to kill someone they didn't have to. Murder.
December 17Dec 17 Didn't Jonathan Brandis kill himself because of Chantix? Gotta be a better way to quit smoking.
December 18Dec 18 18 hours ago, NorthLoop said: Didn't Jonathan Brandis kill himself because of Chantix? Gotta be a better way to quit smoking. Well, he did quit smoking
December 18Dec 18 21 hours ago, Felix said: Why is it a discussion for other places? My exact point is that the law is immoral in this case. It's based on a morally indefensible argument put forth by people who are frightened by their own shadows who secretly yearn to shoot someone. I was in the army. I know exactly what the rules of engagement are based on, and my point stands. How can you be in fear for your life from an unarmed person on the outside of steel door, tempered glass window, in a vehicle that could have easily pushed the vehicle in front of it aside enough to go around it? The shooter made a choice to kill someone they didn't have to. Murder. It wasn't obvious on the video but I read in the police report that the guy pulled out a knife.
December 18Dec 18 4 minutes ago, fuggled said: It wasn't obvious on the video but I read in the police report that the guy pulled out a knife. If that is, in fact, the case then I would agree it was a legitimate use of force, but it must have been a really small knife to not show on the video.
Saturday at 02:59 AM5 days 12 minutes ago, speed817 said: Wtf was this guy thinking??? That dumb motherfucker is lucky he didn't end up bleeding out on the floor of that WalMart breakroom with about 5 rounds in his chest.
Saturday at 03:00 AM5 days Looking at the couple and the situation, I don't believe that thinking has ever occurred in his noggin.
Monday at 10:37 PM2 days 5 hours ago, markstanco said: hell NAW!!!!! 5 hours ago, Elvis said: That doesn't make any sense. 2 hours ago, T-shirt Sip said: White people. SMDH camera angle makes this look a lot worse. I still wouldn't do it. but it is not as nausea-inducing as it looks through that fisheye lens.
Tuesday at 04:10 PM1 day 19 hours ago, High Plains Drifter said: FAFO. Also, I think those are wasps, not bees. Work it. Own it. Bee it.
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