March 27Mar 27 4 minutes ago, Johnny Come Lately said: There’s always more to the story than initially shared here. If you openly share views like this, you shouldn’t be granted a VISA to my country. Nothing good to come from this guy being here. Sorry, not sorry. Why did you quote me to post tweets from someone unrelated to the story I had posted?
March 27Mar 27 Quick question- do visa and green card holders have the full protections of the US constitution, or are they considered different than citizens for things like free speech? obviously not rounded up and locked away, but revocation and deportation maybe?
March 27Mar 27 Just now, Pato del Muerto said: Quick question- do visa and green card holders have the full protections of the US constitution, or are they considered different than citizens for things like free speech? obviously not rounded up and locked away, but revocation and deportation maybe? 14th amendment says people, not citizens
March 27Mar 27 11 minutes ago, SuingToGetAMessageBoard? said: 14th amendment says people, not citizens The current admin doesn’t see them as people though
March 27Mar 27 49 minutes ago, Johnny Come Lately said: There’s always more to the story than initially shared here. If you openly share views like this, you shouldn’t be granted a VISA to my country. Nothing good to come from this guy being here. Sorry, not sorry. So if Dems take back the White House you'd be fine with them forcibly grabbing and indefinitely detaining Visa holders who have publicly supported the MAGA agenda? Or is it a one way street in your mind?
March 27Mar 27 Just now, Johnny Come Lately said: Support for MAGA agenda isn't in the same universe as support for Hamas. That’s debatable.
March 27Mar 27 Quick question- do visa and green card holders have the full protections of the US constitution, or are they considered different than citizens for things like free speech? obviously not rounded up and locked away, but revocation and deportation maybe?Even the reptilian Justice Scalia believed you get full protections not otherwise designated to citizens (i guess like voting). It’s a slam dunk.
March 27Mar 27 2 minutes ago, Johnny Come Lately said: Terrible take. Not to the vast majority of Americans. Surly has lost its way. It's really unfortunate Lost its way? You just joined an hour ago. You’re brand new here. Or are you just a sock that doesn’t want to make your shitty takes under your real username?
March 27Mar 27 Popular Post Just now, Johnny Come Lately said: Should we grant VISAs to people openly hostile to our country? MAGA is openly hostile to our country.
March 27Mar 27 3 minutes ago, Johnny Come Lately said: There's nothing trollish about presenting the entire context behind one of the stories posted here and then debating the implications. It shouldn't upset anyone. But should we grant usernames to trolls?
March 27Mar 27 11 minutes ago, Johnny Come Lately said: Should we grant VISAs to people openly hostile to our country? So what the fuck was Jan 6, dipshit?
March 27Mar 27 39 minutes ago, Johnny Come Lately said: Should we grant VISAs to people openly hostile to our country? My answer is hell no. Maybe that is what some posters here think. I'd like to hear that justification. And, if you get here and start being hostile like Mr. Taal, then you should be kicked out. You're a guest here. Support for MAGA agenda isn't in the same universe as support for Hamas. Support for Palestinian emancipation and dignity is not support for Hamas, dipshit.
March 27Mar 27 Support for Palestinian emancipation and dignity is not support for Hamas, dipshit.Sounds like an argument that should be made in court. Lets get a warrant and arrest him with uniformed officers.
March 27Mar 27 Popular Post 43 minutes ago, Johnny Come Lately said: Should we grant VISAs to people openly hostile to our country? My answer is hell no. Maybe that is what some posters here think. I'd like to hear that justification. And, if you get here and start being hostile like Mr. Taal, then you should be kicked out. You're a guest here. Support for MAGA agenda isn't in the same universe as support for Hamas. Support for HAMAS? Show your work. Below is the op-ed that led to her detention. Please point out the parts that are "openly hostile to our country." Quote On March 4, the Tufts Community Union Senate passed 3 out of 4 resolutions demanding that the University acknowledge the Palestinian genocide, apologize for University President Sunil Kumar’s statements, disclose its investments and divest from companies with direct or indirect ties to Israel. These resolutions were the product of meaningful debate by the Senate and represent a sincere effort to hold Israel accountable for clear violations of international law. Credible accusations against Israel include accounts of deliberate starvation and indiscriminate slaughter of Palestinian civilians and plausible genocide. Unfortunately, the University’s response to the Senate resolutions has been wholly inadequate and dismissive of the Senate, the collective voice of the student body. Graduate Students for Palestine joins Tufts Students for Justice in Palestine, the Tufts Faculty and Staff Coalition for Ceasefire and Fletcher Students for Palestine to reject the University’s response. Although graduate students were not allowed by the University into the Senate meeting, which lasted for almost eight hours, our presence on campus and financial entanglement with the University via tuition payments and the graduate work that we do on grants and research makes us direct stakeholders in the University’s stance. While an argument may be made that the University should not take political stances and should focus on research and intellectual exchange, the automatic rejection, dismissive nature and condescending tone in the University’s statement have caused us to question whether the University is indeed taking a stand against its own declared commitments to free speech, assembly and democratic expression. According to the Student Code of Conduct, “[a]ctive citizenship, including exercising free speech and engaging in protests, gatherings, and demonstrations, is a vital part of the Tufts community.” In addition, the Dean of Students Office has written, “[w]hile at times the exchange of controversial ideas and opinions may cause discomfort or even distress, our mission as a university is to promote critical thinking, the rigorous examination and discussion of facts and theories, and diverse and sometimes contradictory ideas and opinions.” Why then is the University discrediting and disregarding its students who practice the very ideals of critical thinking, intellectual exchange and civic engagement that Tufts claims to represent? The role of the TCU Senate resolutions is abundantly clear. The Senate’s resolutions serve as a “strong lobbying tool that expresses to the Tufts administration the wants and needs of the student body. They speak as a collective voice and are instrumental in enacting systemic changes.” In this case, the “systemic changes” that the collective voice of the student body is calling for are for the University to end its complicity with Israel insofar as it is oppressing the Palestinian people and denying their right to self-determination — a right that is guaranteed by international law. These strong lobbying tools are all the more urgent now given the order by the International Court of Justice confirming that the Palestinian people of Gaza’s rights under the Genocide Convention are under a “plausible” risk of being breached. This collective student voice is not without precedent. Today, the University may remember with pride its decision in February 1989 to divest from South Africa under apartheid and end its complicity with the then-racist regime. However, we must remember that the University divested up to 11 years after some of its peers. For instance, the Michigan State University Board of Regents passed resolutions to end its complicity with Apartheid South Africa as early as 1978. Had Tufts heeded the call of the student movement in the late 1970s, the University could have been on the right side of history sooner. We reject any attempt by the University or the Office of the President to summarily dismiss the role of the Senate and mischaracterize its resolution as divisive. The open and free debate demonstrated by the Senate process (exemplified by the length, open notice and substantive exchange in the proceedings and the non-passing of one of the proposed resolutions), together with the serious organizing efforts of students, warrant credible self-reflection by the Office of the President and the University. We, as graduate students, affirm the equal dignity and humanity of all people and reject the University’s mischaracterization of the Senate’s efforts. The great author and civil rights champion James Baldwin once wrote: “The paradox of education is precisely this: that as one begins to become conscious one begins to examine the society in which [they are] being educated.” As an educator, President Kumar should embrace efforts by students to evaluate “diverse and sometimes contradictory ideas and opinions.” Furthermore, the president should trust in the Senate’s rigorous and democratic process and the resolutions that it has achieved. We urge President Kumar and the Tufts administration to meaningfully engage with and actualize the resolutions passed by the Senate. Now compare that with support for a 3+ month long effort to overturn an election and illegally install someone as president, culminating in a violent attack on the capital in an effort to disrupt the lawful election. Followed, of course, by that same man pardoning all involved including those who assaulted police officers with weapons and explosives. But that doesn't really matter, because your entire framework is based on indefinitely detaining persons based on a subjective interpretation of "hostile to America," which even someone as dumb as yourself should understand opens the door to the executive branch establishing their own "test" and, should a Dem occupy the white house in the future, would surely include those who tried to overthrow an election. Just the other day, Mike Johnson suggested abolishing Federal Courts in order to get rid of that pesky judicial review that keeps hindering Trump's agenda. That darn Constitution getting in the way again. You would agree that if a Visa Holder shared that article or voiced support for such a position that is certainly more "hostile" to our country than whatever is in the above op-ed? Oh, you disagree? Then perhaps you see the inherent problem in such a standard. But of course you won't. And you'll get banned. Again. And then come back with a new name and play the "woe is me. surly has gone to shit," card without a modicum of understanding that the years you have spent on a message board where you are despised by all other members, get asked to leave on a monthly basis, and personify the definition of an "internet troll," is about the most pathetic existence imaginable. Shit, I'm kinda embarrassed by the hold this place has on me, and I don't have everyone calling me a fucking donkey every 10 minutes.
March 27Mar 27 48 minutes ago, Johnny Come Lately said: Should we grant VISAs to people openly hostile to our country? Opposition to American empire equals hostility to America? Someone should tell Donald Trump that before he finishes tearing the empire down.
March 27Mar 27 I'd still like to know why Johnny posted tweets from someone completely unrelated to the person/story I posted when he quoted me.
March 27Mar 27 Just now, immamac said: nuked him I don't get how people do this shit and immediately out themselves as a sock as if they don't know they're just gonna get nuked from orbit
March 27Mar 27 Popular Post 4 minutes ago, Rex Kramer said: Dude what the fuck. No it is not. Get a grip. MAGA is a greater threat to the safety of more Americans than Hamas is.
March 27Mar 27 1 minute ago, Rex Kramer said: A much more fair statement but that’s not what you said at first. You should stay off ledges where Brisket is perched. You tend to stay stupid shit there. Okay, smart guy.
March 27Mar 27 Popular Post 1 hour ago, Rex Kramer said: A much more fair statement but that’s not what you said at first. You should stay off ledges where Brisket is perched. You tend to stay stupid shit there. Well let’s see, Hamas is a political organization with a military wing. Hey look, MAGA is a political organization with a military wing. Interesting. Hamas promotes Palestinian nationalism, MAGA promotes white nationalism. Interestinger. Hamas uses forms of terrorism, MAGA uses forms of terrorism. You also admit that far more Americans feel threatened by MAGA than they do Hamas. It certainly sounds like support for MAGA is in the same ballpark as Hamas
March 27Mar 27 This is like when I said the only existential threat to Israel is its own right wing and Rex read that as me saying that Israel has no external threats.
March 27Mar 27 "Existential" and "external" are different words that mean different things. You're really not beating those illiteracy allegations.
March 27Mar 27 48 minutes ago, Rex Kramer said: Oh I’m highly aware of the difference. The point you were making was crazy. I get that you want to be critical of Bibi in the most hyperbolic manner, but you’re wrong, laughably so, and anyone who agreed with you is too. Why are you cluttering up this thread with Israel? Stop. Are you serious, dude? The Hamas shit was brought up by the dumbass troll sock that @immamac nuked and people were simply pushing back on that. You are the one that came in here to derail [another] thread by crying about the objectively true statement: That MAGA is a far more serious threat to American than Hamas is. If you can't understand what that statement means, let me break it down for you: MAGA is in America. It is currently actively destroying the administrative state in the United States, among other things. It is objectively a serious threat to America as we know it. Hamas is in Gaza. It has no power outside of Gaza. It is no threat to America whatsoever. THAT'S ALL HE WAS SAYING. No one fucking said anything about Bibi except for you or in response to you. You're the one cluttering up the thread. You. SHUT THE FUCK UP. I realize that this is your shtick, to come in and derail the fucking thread and then report anyone that calls you out to the mods to try and get them banned, but please, for all our sanity, give it a fucking rest for once. PLEASE.
March 27Mar 27 18 minutes ago, Brian Fantana said: give it a fucking rest for once. PLEASE. His posting or his cirrhosis level day drinking?
March 28Mar 28 Author https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/university-alabama-doctoral-student-detained-ice-governments-college-c-rcna198320 More academics being disappeared by ICE. This guy doesn't seem to have done anything except be Iranian. Maybe we should rename the thread to "ethnic cleansing thread of dominance"
March 28Mar 28 Have had multiple patients who are keeping their passports on them at all times now. My heart broke the first time one of them pulled out the little blue book before weighing himself. Absolutely unreal. We are a "Papers, Please" country, and we all know that having your papers doesn't even necessarily matter either.
March 28Mar 28 Countries That Have Issued U.S. Travel Warnings https://www.newsweek.com/portugal-issues-travel-warning-us-2051891
March 28Mar 28 3 hours ago, safe sex said: Have had multiple patients who are keeping their passports on them at all times now. My heart broke the first time one of them pulled out the little blue book before weighing himself. Absolutely unreal. We are a "Papers, Please" country, and we all know that having your papers doesn't even necessarily matter either. I’ve never been more embarrassed to be an American. I was mortified after 2016 and more so after our pandemic “response”. But the feeling I have now? America is on life support for me. I never thought I would have to even think about carrying my passport with me just in case I get harassed by federal agents. I’m still in disbelief that we just threw it all away
March 28Mar 28 8 minutes ago, SubliminalHorn said: I’ve never been more embarrassed to be an American. I was mortified after 2016 and more so after our pandemic “response”. But the feeling I have now? America is on life support for me. I never thought I would have to even think about carrying my passport with me just in case I get harassed by federal agents. I’m still in disbelief that we just threw it all away Personally? I'm actually kinda hoping that some gestapo dumbass makes the mistake of arresting, disappearing, and deporting me. I have the means to get help (financial and otherwise) wherever I end up, rather quickly. I have the legal resources at hand (real-deal friends and some rather skilled acquaintances) to fight back and make as big a fuss and test case as you can imagine. I'm real close to wishing a muthafucka would. Because I am a dream plaintiff. That's what we need, for these overreaching fascists to fuck with the wrong plaintiff.
March 28Mar 28 8 minutes ago, Brisketexan said: Personally? I'm actually kinda hoping that some gestapo dumbass makes the mistake of arresting, disappearing, and deporting me. I have the means to get help (financial and otherwise) wherever I end up, rather quickly. I have the legal resources at hand (real-deal friends and some rather skilled acquaintances) to fight back and make as big a fuss and test case as you can imagine. I'm real close to wishing a muthafucka would. Because I am a dream plaintiff. That's what we need, for these overreaching fascists to fuck with the wrong plaintiff. Sounds like I can count on you to get me out of El Salvador right
March 28Mar 28 2 minutes ago, SubliminalHorn said: Sounds like I can count on you to get me out of El Salvador right Sorry, no hablo espanol.
March 28Mar 28 15 minutes ago, Brisketexan said: Personally? I'm actually kinda hoping that some gestapo dumbass makes the mistake of arresting, disappearing, and deporting me. I have the means to get help (financial and otherwise) wherever I end up, rather quickly. I have the legal resources at hand (real-deal friends and some rather skilled acquaintances) to fight back and make as big a fuss and test case as you can imagine. I'm real close to wishing a muthafucka would. Because I am a dream plaintiff. That's what we need, for these overreaching fascists to fuck with the wrong plaintiff.
March 28Mar 28 Popular Post Personally? I'm actually kinda hoping that some gestapo dumbass makes the mistake of arresting, disappearing, and deporting me. I have the means to get help (financial and otherwise) wherever I end up, rather quickly. I have the legal resources at hand (real-deal friends and some rather skilled acquaintances) to fight back and make as big a fuss and test case as you can imagine. I'm real close to wishing a muthafucka would. Because I am a dream plaintiff. That's what we need, for these overreaching fascists to fuck with the wrong plaintiff.Brisket’s got friends in every town and bar from here to the Aruba. He speaks one language and a little latin, knows grammar and penmanship. He'll blend in, disappear; maybe sweat a bit. With any luck, he's got the grail already.[cut to Brisket pissing himself in an El Salvadorian prison]
March 28Mar 28 Popular Post 3 minutes ago, Eskimohorn said: Brisket’s got friends in every town and bar from here to the Aruba. He speaks one language and a little latin, knows grammar and penmanship. He'll blend in, disappear; maybe sweat a bit. With any luck, he's got the grail already. [cut to Brisket pissing himself in an El Salvadorian prison] To be fair, I also know a little German.
March 28Mar 28 On 3/26/2025 at 3:12 PM, wildcat09 said: They apparently surveilled this girl for two full days and then kidnapped her off the streets for the crime of writing a completely banal op ed that was mildly critical of how Tufts responded to a student government vote. What. In. The. Mother. Fuck.
March 29Mar 29 Russian scientist working at Harvard detained by Ice at Boston airport | US immigration | The Guardian
March 29Mar 29 https://chicago.suntimes.com/immigration/2025/03/14/us-citizen-arrested-berwyn-ice-chicago-attorneys
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