February 24Feb 24 On 2/21/2025 at 11:11 PM, FartingMonk said: There are about 400 ships in the Navy. There are 168 admirals. 3600 Captains and 5000 Commanders. Kinda top heavy on management don't you think. Where is your piss and vinegar that you throw at the corporate world when it comes to top heavy management? You do understand the Navy does a whole lot of shit on land, right? Any idea of what it takes to run a base? A Naval District? Then there's those pesky air wings.
February 24Feb 24 On 2/21/2025 at 10:14 AM, BabaYaga said: Yeah, do dink a carrier or run aground, you are not surviving it. Navy ego doesn't play Chester Nimitz would like to have a word with you.
February 24Feb 24 On 2/21/2025 at 4:22 PM, TexasEd said: I've been on over a dozen Navy vessels and what you see in that location is insulation, both temperature and noise. I got to sail on this one 75 years ago from NYC to Puerto Rico. Most likely the only insulation on that tub was asbestos. Edited February 24Feb 24 by Armybrat
February 24Feb 24 2 hours ago, UpperWestside said: Chester Nimitz would like to have a word with you. War time. Peace time. I get all that. I think the captains who ran their boats aground at Pearl to keep them from sinking in and clogging the harbor got a pass as well.
February 24Feb 24 3 hours ago, RPM said: You do understand the Navy does a whole lot of shit on land, right? Any idea of what it takes to run a base? A Naval District? Then there's those pesky air wings. Some interesting numbers…. During WW2 the US Armed Forces reached a total peak strength of almost 18,000,000 service members. The civilian & military bureaucracy inside the Pentagon numbered 33,000. That’s 1 paper shuffler per 545 service members. In 2024 the US Armed Forces total strength was 2,127,000. The civilian & military bureaucracy working inside the Pentagon numbered 23,000. That’s 1 computerized shuffler per 92 service members. Makes me wonder what the ratios are at all the US military installations.
February 24Feb 24 37 minutes ago, BabaYaga said: War time. Peace time. I get all that. I think the captains who ran their boats aground at Pearl to keep them from sinking in and clogging the harbor got a pass as well. Well in fairness, those poor girls at Pearl were already scuppered. Running aground was actually an improvement in that case
February 24Feb 24 You need those career leaders when the majority of your workforce is in high turnover. Somebody has to know how shit works. Another big difference is this is a much more complicated Navy compared to WWII era. Edited February 24Feb 24 by RPM
February 24Feb 24 3 hours ago, Armybrat said: Some interesting numbers…. During WW2 the US Armed Forces reached a total peak strength of almost 18,000,000 service members. The civilian & military bureaucracy inside the Pentagon numbered 33,000. That’s 1 paper shuffler per 545 service members. In 2024 the US Armed Forces total strength was 2,127,000. The civilian & military bureaucracy working inside the Pentagon numbered 23,000. That’s 1 computerized shuffler per 92 service members. Makes me wonder what the ratios are at all the US military installations. Not a valid comparison. Information warfare, electronic warfare, managing sensor systems, cybersecurity, remote systems and more have exploded since WW2. Some specialized roles were not even imagined yet. Then add on more complex acquisition and logistics, nuclear power, physical security against asymmetrical threats… Edited February 24Feb 24 by TexasEd
February 24Feb 24 1 minute ago, TexasEd said: Some specialized roles were not even imagined yet. How many jet fighter wing Admirals did we use in WWII? Yeah, that's what I thought.
February 24Feb 24 7 hours ago, Armybrat said: I got to sail on this one 75 years ago from NYC to Puerto Rico. Most likely the only insulation on that tub was asbestos. 100% guarantee there was literally tons of asbestos on those.
February 24Feb 24 2 hours ago, Chad Fuck said: 100% guarantee there was literally tons of asbestos on those. It's only bad if you disturb the fibers (I told myself this as I was running cables in the crawl spaces of the Pentagon. Even back in the 90s I was supporting critical missions that were not invented until the late 80s including secure network connectivity, satellite communications, encryption, ELINT, and more) Edited February 24Feb 24 by TexasEd
February 24Feb 24 1 minute ago, TexasEd said: It's only bad if you disturb the fibers (I told myself this as I was running cables in the crawl spaces of the Pentagon. Even back in the 90s I was supporting critical missions that were not invented until the late 80s) I mean, technically that is true. Except that you really can't work with it at all without disturbing and breathing fibers.
February 24Feb 24 1 minute ago, Chad Fuck said: I mean, technically that is true. Except that you really can't work with it at all without disturbing and breathing fibers.
February 25Feb 25 19 hours ago, BabaYaga said: War time. Peace time. I get all that. I think the captains who ran their boats aground at Pearl to keep them from sinking in and clogging the harbor got a pass as well. If not for his own court-martial for running the Decatur aground in 1907, Nimitz might never have fulfilled his own destiny. That demotion led him into submarine-based assignments and trip to Germany not too long after that to learn more about how to improve the ones the US had. He never forgot the leniency he was shown for his court-martial as he was always stern, but forgiving of subordinates who made mistakes.
February 25Feb 25 4 hours ago, UpperWestside said: If not for his own court-martial for running the Decatur aground in 1907, Nimitz might never have fulfilled his own destiny. That demotion led him into submarine-based assignments and trip to Germany not too long after that to learn more about how to improve the ones the US had. He never forgot the leniency he was shown for his court-martial as he was always stern, but forgiving of subordinates who made mistakes. This, and visibility into the efficacy of the subs that many of the "big fleet" guys were less than enthused about.
February 25Feb 25 22 hours ago, TexasEd said: Not a valid comparison. Information warfare, electronic warfare, managing sensor systems, cybersecurity, remote systems and more have exploded since WW2. Some specialized roles were not even imagined yet. Then add on more complex acquisition and logistics, nuclear power, physical security against asymmetrical threats… Another way to say this is that there are significantly more roles in today’s Navy that are wholly independent from - and have absolutely nothing to do with - the number of troops
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