April 9Apr 9 2 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said: The only reason I am mildly aligned with your point of view is CDC's "top 10" bar. I don't have the data, but I would assume the top 10 teams in D1 probably make the Final Four every 4-5 years (ish). Maybe the top few are a little bit better than that. I'm not bored enough to try to look it up. I just look at Miller compared to other hires CDC has made and he's no where close to the same as those hires in terms of their place in their sport. Miller currently is not a top 5-10 coach in his sport. He's probably in that 16-25 range. You obviously can't include Sark in that conversation because he was hired by CDC's bosses and RT was some circumstances built around it with the E8 run. Edited April 9Apr 9 by BurntOrange&White
April 9Apr 9 Just now, Js1 said: ENOUGH WE GET IT It’s a fucking beating. I think quite a few of us were meh as we thought we could get a bigger name but guess what we couldn’t. Also it’s not really CDCs style to money whip a hire. Even Beards raise was modest and Sark was paid around what Herman was. Earn it. I think Sean will be far better than Rodney. I wasn’t pro Rodney but at some point you just settle in and root for them. billy Donavan ain’t walking through that door nor is Dan Hurleys ace offensive coordinator. Sean is here for three years. Can we be positive and just root for the guy?
April 9Apr 9 1 minute ago, Underdog said: LMAO. Js1 right now... That should be everyone. It’s just copy/paste criticisms we’ve heard since the day he was hired. He hasn’t coached 1 game here
April 9Apr 9 19 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said: The only reason I am mildly aligned with your point of view is CDC's "top 10" bar. I don't have the data, but I would assume the top 10 teams in D1 probably make the Final Four every 4-5 years (ish). Maybe the top few are a little bit better than that. I'm not bored enough to try to look it up. We deserve top ten in every sport imo and I think we have that in all sports except basketball. Sark was well thought of, a potential successor for Saban but his resume did not scream top ten. It was a letdown when he was hired but to surlys credit we rooted for him. His first few years here were rough. All that being said, I think a lot of football coaches could do well here with our resources
April 9Apr 9 20 minutes ago, BurntOrange&White said: I just look at Miller compared to other hires CDC has made and he's no where close to the same as those hires in terms of their place in their sport. Miller currently is not a top 5-10 coach in his sport. He's probably in that 16-25 range. You obviously can't include Sark in that conversation because he was hired by CDC's bosses and RT was some circumstances built around it with the E8 run. Before you type posts like this you should consider: What top 10 coaches were available to hire? Which one(s) would have left their current position for Texas? How much do you think the AD would be willing to pay for one of them?
April 9Apr 9 8 minutes ago, Brian Fantana said: Before you type posts like this you should consider: What top 10 coaches were available to hire? Which one(s) would have left their current position for Texas? How much do you think the AD would be willing to pay for one of them? Who knows, Miller was the hire 2.5 years ago so it doesn't even seem like we did a real search outside of feelers to guys who would obviously say no(Wright, Hurley, etc). All because of Miller having a relationship with CDC's former boss. Edited April 9Apr 9 by BurntOrange&White
April 9Apr 9 6 minutes ago, Brian Fantana said: Before you type posts like this you should consider: What top 10 coaches were available to hire? Which one(s) would have left their current position for Texas? How much do you think the AD would be willing to pay for one of them? Was Todd golden a top ten coach before this year?
April 9Apr 9 Just now, Im_smarter_then_you said: Was Todd golden a top ten coach before this year? Todd Golden would NEVER be hired at Texas. Do you really think Texas would hire a coach who had only coached at San Francisco?
April 9Apr 9 2 minutes ago, BurntOrange&White said: Todd Golden would NEVER be hired at Texas. Do you really think Texas would hire a coach who had only coached at San Francisco? What would your reaction have been three years ago if we hired a coach from SF or Samford
April 9Apr 9 Just now, Im_smarter_then_you said: Was Todd golden a top ten coach before this year? I'm not sure I'd argue he's top 10 right now even though he just won. You don't need to be top 10 to win a natty. You need the right head coach, a good stable of assistants, a well constructed roster, and a great support system behind it all. Your facilities, your basketball operations program, the general manager, all that shit is just as important if not more important than the head coach individually.
April 9Apr 9 2 minutes ago, Im_smarter_then_you said: What would your reaction have been three years ago if we hired a coach from SF or Samford The Samford coach is laughable hire by Aggie and one they make. I'd be okay with the coach from SF 3 years ago because the hire at age 36 would show we identified some traits we liked in him and decided to go young vs a guy with 20 years and cashed out on his potential. Edited April 9Apr 9 by BurntOrange&White
April 9Apr 9 2 minutes ago, Brian Fantana said: I'm not sure I'd argue he's top 10 right now even though he just won. You don't need to be top 10 to win a natty. You need the right head coach, a good stable of assistants, a well constructed roster, and a great support system behind it all. Your facilities, your basketball operations program, the general manager, all that shit is just as important if not more important than the head coach individually. Exactly. The hire is made I say we let this play out? He was successful at UA. I’m not sure I can judge a guy based on his turn at Xavier
April 9Apr 9 4 minutes ago, BurntOrange&White said: The Samford coach is laughable hire by Aggie and one they make. I'd be okay with the coach from SF 3 years ago because the hire at age 36 would show we identified some traits we liked in him and decided to go young vs a guy with 20 years and cashed out on his potential. Goldens USF teams finished 5th, 8th and 4th in their conference. McMillan won his conference twice, finished third twice and won coach of the year three times.
April 9Apr 9 6 minutes ago, Im_smarter_then_you said: Exactly. The hire is made I say we let this play out? He was successful at UA. I’m not sure I can judge a guy based on his turn at Xavier 10 years ago....
April 9Apr 9 10 minutes ago, BurntOrange&White said: I'd be okay with the coach from SF 3 years ago because the hire at age 36 would show we identified some traits we liked in him and decided to go young vs a guy with 20 years and cashed out on his potential. Kelvin Sampson is kicking ass and he's almost 70 years old.
April 9Apr 9 2 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said: Kelvin Sampson is kicking ass and he's almost 70 years old. Sampson is a much better coach than Miller, even before Houston.
April 9Apr 9 3 hours ago, Im_smarter_then_you said: Yea millers resume is far beyond sarks. Miller has multiple conference titles. except that miller stopped being objectively good years ago, and all of his success came before everyone was allowed to pay players. miller’s resume isn’t anything to brag about, particularly since he got popped on an fbi wiretap talking about buying de’andre ayton. you remember how long ago that was?
April 9Apr 9 Popular Post i woke up, saw that the topic was “hot”, figured we must have gotten a commitment from traore. nope. 70 posts later, and it’s just the same three people arguing back and forth about steve sarkisian. way to go guys. you derka’d the thread. Edited April 9Apr 9 by Derka
April 9Apr 9 Is this now the fire Sean Miller thread less than a three weeks outside of the hire? Shaggy, usually this takes 4 weeks.
April 9Apr 9 2 minutes ago, Derka said: except that miller stopped being objectively good years ago, and all of his success came before everyone was allowed to pay players. miller’s resume isn’t anything to brag about, particularly since he got popped on an fbi wiretap talking about buying de’andre ayton. you remember how long ago that was? You don’t think other coaches were paying players? Will wade was busted too and he’s a prince here. You really believe Kentucky, Kansas , Duke weren’t paying? There’s even rumblings that Rick may have not been on the up and up. Dirty sport. He just got busted. miller actually has a better winning percentage than Rick and is a spring chicken compared to him
April 9Apr 9 7 minutes ago, BurntOrange&White said: Sampson is a much better coach than Miller, even before Houston. Sampson was 0.648 before Houston, Miller is 0.713, so I'm not sure I agree with your math there, Lou.
April 9Apr 9 2 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said: Sampson was 0.648 before Houston, Miller is 0.713, so I'm not sure I agree with your math there, Lou. How many final fours did Miller make?
April 9Apr 9 29 minutes ago, Brian Fantana said: I'm not sure I'd argue he's top 10 right now even though he just won. You don't need to be top 10 to win a natty. You need the right head coach, a good stable of assistants, a well constructed roster, and a great support system behind it all. Your facilities, your basketball operations program, the general manager, all that shit is just as important if not more important than the head coach individually. Kevin Ollie.
April 9Apr 9 36 minutes ago, Brian Fantana said: I'm not sure I'd argue he's top 10 right now even though he just won. You don't need to be top 10 to win a natty. You need the right head coach, a good stable of assistants, a well constructed roster, and a great support system behind it all. Your facilities, your basketball operations program, the general manager, all that shit is just as important if not more important than the head coach individually. According to BO&W, Billy Donovan would win the title with four guys and a home gym in the back of a church.
April 9Apr 9 16 minutes ago, BurntOrange&White said: How many final fours did Miller make? Do you have fun doing this?
April 9Apr 9 16 minutes ago, BurntOrange&White said: How many final fours did Miller make? Before Sampson got to Houston (You know, after he rehabilitated from his show cause), he had made one Final Four, one Elite 8, and one other Sweet 16. Miller between his first Xavier stint and Arizona made four Elite 8s and three other Sweet 16s.
April 9Apr 9 Just now, MrX said: Before Sampson got to Houston (You know, after he rehabilitated from his show cause), he had made one Final Four, one Elite 8, and one other Sweet 16. Miller between his first Xavier stint and Arizona made four Elite 8s and three other Sweet 16s. So Sampson outperformed him by making the final four. Got it! Good analysis. Also making the final four at Oklahoma vs Arizona....key difference.
April 9Apr 9 I am quite confident you never rooted for Texas before 2006, because if you had observed Sampson at OU then you would be quite indifferent to him as a coach, other than hating his Dirt Burglar guts and his penchant for light blue button down shirts, khaki slacks, and cell phones. Just stop. I can't tell what mix of troll and stupid you are, but those make up the lion's share of your character. Edited April 9Apr 9 by jimmyjazz
April 9Apr 9 39 minutes ago, Derka said: i woke up, saw that the topic was “hot”, figured we must have gotten a commitment from traore. nope. 70 posts later, and it’s just the same three people arguing back and forth about steve sarkisian. way to go guys. you derka’d the thread. Get up earlier dipshit!!!!
April 9Apr 9 2 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said: I am quite confident you never rooted for Texas before 2006, because if you had observed Sampson at OU then you would be quite indifferent to him as a coach, other than hating his Dirt Burglar guts and his penchant for light blue button down shirts, khaki slacks, and cell phones. Just stop. I can't tell what mix of troll and stupid you are, but those make up the lion's share of your character. I’d like your opinion. We’re down to six choices: Johnny Oates the USF hc (your choice south Florida or San Francisco) Billy Donavan John Lucas jr John Lucas sr who do we go with?
April 9Apr 9 Just now, jimmyjazz said: Billy Tubbs. Wait, he's 85? Well maybe not. It’s hard to win at Oklahoma as was pointed out a few posts ago
April 9Apr 9 Just now, BurntOrange&White said: I'll be happy since you all are happy with being good enough. Lets move on. No. I expect Sean Miller to be fired by the end of the week or heads will roll!
April 9Apr 9 6 minutes ago, BurntOrange&White said: Let’s move on. Take your own advice. You’ve killed this thread. He’s our coach and likely will be for three years. Move on 5 minutes ago, dcar00 said: No. I expect Sean Miller to be fired by the end of the week or heads will roll! Dude has won fewer games here than Rodney. Bye bye
April 9Apr 9 Just now, Im_smarter_then_you said: Take your own advice. You’ve killed this thread. He’s our coach and likely will be for three years. Move on Dude has won fewer games here than Rodney. Bye bye We are moving on! Texas Basketball: Good Enough
April 9Apr 9 McMillan may end up being a good to great hire for aggy by accident. He's got a pedigree of winning. Hopefully the weirdness of aggy causes him to run for the hills the first chance he gets.
April 9Apr 9 16 minutes ago, BurntOrange&White said: Texas Basketball: why you know go after Dan Hurley Pat Riley Fify
April 9Apr 9 21 minutes ago, Im_smarter_then_you said: Dude has won fewer games here than Rodney. Bye bye seriously, we just hired a coach that has a .500 record against Rodney Terry. OMG!
April 9Apr 9 Popular Post Once again, this was a situation in where the top 5-10 in the sport just were not going to leave. They have their programs rolling and at a high level already. Those coaches get whatever they want from their admin already. Other than just the name “Texas” there was nothing really to get Oats or Lloyd to leave. You could have *maybe* had Lloyd had Arizona crapped out in the 1st round, but they didn’t. Then combine that with the haul of a recruiting class he has coming in, there was no reason to leave as Arizona basketball gets whatever they want from UA alums/boosters already. Oats already has the commitment from Alabama admin that he was looking for and his happy (I think we could have gotten him 3 years ago, but we went with Terry.) Hurley was never an option. People who mention Jay Wright are showing they are stupid and don’t know anything about college basketball. Donovan wasn’t leaving the NBA to come to college with this generation of college athletics and NIL. Quin Snyder who hasn’t coached in this climate either since 2006 was going to come in a save the day and take Texas to multiple FFs? None of the above names were realistic, and people hyped themselves up into believing that if we didn’t land one of those names that means we aren’t serious about basketball. Jesus Christ. Fucking Todd Golden just won the NC. Did I want a sexier name than Sean Miller? Of course, but I’m happy with Miller because I’ve seen what he’s done. He won’t have the pressure he had at Arizona and he will have more money than he had at Arizona or Xavier. I’m also happy because he’s an actual coach that will have guidance and leadership from the #1 AD in the country, something else he doesn’t have to worry about. This could have been a way worse hire. Miller has support, money, and what appears to be rejuvenation. Let’s see what the fuck he can do before crying like fucking Aggies about everything that doesn’t go the exact way we want it. I don’t remember CDC saying the athletic department has to be ran the way 1 specific fan wants it to be ran.
April 9Apr 9 4 hours ago, Im_smarter_then_you said: Was Todd golden a top ten coach before this year? Hell, Florida’s national championship team did not have a single player ranked in the top 100 out of high school. The ranking within one’s peer group is important, except when it’s not.
April 10Apr 10 10 hours ago, BurntOrange&White said: Enjoy Texas basketball continuing to be mid as fuck. Texas Basketball: We might make an Elite 8! It's just absolutely insane how low yalls expectations are for basketball given the new landscape. no dog in fight but isn’t that every teams goal. Tournament run or bust.
April 10Apr 10 8 hours ago, jimmyjazz said: I am quite confident you never rooted for Texas before 2006, because if you had observed Sampson at OU then you would be quite indifferent to him as a coach, other than hating his Dirt Burglar guts and his penchant for light blue button down shirts, khaki slacks, and cell phones. Just stop. I can't tell what mix of troll and stupid you are, but those make up the lion's share of your character. This right here. Sampson is a piece of shit that I dont even recognize coaches Houston. He’ll always be that piece of shit from Oklahoma. Fuck anyone that defends that asshole.
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