November 26Nov 26 2 hours ago, kingkoopa6 said: win by 40 please. Won by 41. Won no one getting 20 points. with 25 turnovers. shooting 66% from the field. lol Edited November 26Nov 26 by UTexasFight
November 26Nov 26 That was a nice little ass-whipping but this team isn't doing shit until they fix the turnovers. Starting with Vok. Maybe a little jet-lag is to blame. Here's hoping. Not sure how the fuck Weaver went 2/9 against a D2 team that we shot 66% from the field against. This may be a long year. If we can scrap to .500 in the SEC and make the tourney I'll be impressed.
November 26Nov 26 Man, Traore with another 14 rebounds last night in just 13 minutes. The dude cleans the glass so well, but the rest of his game just isn't very good. Dude is averaging 21.4 TRB/40 min, which is insane.
November 26Nov 26 3 hours ago, ztejas said: This may be a long year. If we can scrap to .500 in the SEC and make the tourney I'll be impressed I'd take that shit in a heartbeat.
November 26Nov 26 49 minutes ago, HookEm said: Man, Traore with another 14 rebounds last night in just 13 minutes. The dude cleans the glass so well, but the rest of his game just isn't very good. Dude is averaging 21.4 TRB/40 min, which is insane. Traore and Codie have been the biggest negatives for me so far this season. Traore is basically Ze’Rik Onyema with a few more rebounds and Codie can’t protect the basketball, defend or score outside of dunks.
November 26Nov 26 8 minutes ago, Blotto said: k I'd take that shit in a heartbeat. Yeah, I think a .500 conference record is wildly optimistic.
November 26Nov 26 We know what we have with Vok and Swain. Pope and Mark are consistently inconsistent. They are not guards who can run an offense or handle a press/trap. If Wilcher and Heide continue to gain minutes and confidence, and can provide consistent points, this team could be good enough to fight for a tournament spot. We run the fast break fairly well and probably need to do that as much as we can to keep the pressure off Pope and Mark. Mark did look better last night in the small forward/swing role with Wilcher and Weave on the court and Swain at PF. He seemed more comfortable passing and driving out of that lineup. The smaller line-up with this team is probably as big as our large lineup last year, so we can run that without getting punished if Traore and Vok defend and rebound ok. We are basically as team with 2 guards, Wilcher and Pope. Mark and Weav are basically small forwards, though Weav can defend 1-4. Tonight's game should provide a good glimpse of what Miller thinks will be the most effective line-up(s) in SEC.
November 26Nov 26 4 hours ago, ztejas said: That was a nice little ass-whipping but this team isn't doing shit until they fix the turnovers. Starting with Vok. It was particularly disturbing against ASU .. at least to me .. that Vokawhatshisname, the tallest/strongest looking guy on the court, fiddled around with entry passes long enuf for his defender and help to get in his kitchen before attempting a shot. Catch, shoot, go right back up to rebound if you miss. Getting fouled while shooting isn’t the worst possible outcome …
November 26Nov 26 i’ve been harping on this all year with Vok, every single time he touches the ball he brings it down below his waist for no reason. i’ve benched middle school kids for that. he drives me nuts. Edited November 26Nov 26 by Derka
November 26Nov 26 i just do not like this team. nothing personal against any of the players, but this is a poorly constructed roster that’s full of holes that will not be filled by any amount of growth or familiarity. sec play will be brutal, and i honestly don’t even want to play in any postseason tourney that isn’t the big dance. i haven’t been this resigned this early since shaka’s 11-win team. this will be a lost year that is very tough to enjoy.
November 26Nov 26 2 hours ago, VinyVango said: We know what we have with Vok and Swain. Pope and Mark are consistently inconsistent. They are not guards who can run an offense or handle a press/trap. If Wilcher and Heide continue to gain minutes and confidence, and can provide consistent points, this team could be good enough to fight for a tournament spot. We run the fast break fairly well and probably need to do that as much as we can to keep the pressure off Pope and Mark. Mark did look better last night in the small forward/swing role with Wilcher and Weave on the court and Swain at PF. He seemed more comfortable passing and driving out of that lineup. The smaller line-up with this team is probably as big as our large lineup last year, so we can run that without getting punished if Traore and Vok defend and rebound ok. We are basically as team with 2 guards, Wilcher and Pope. Mark and Weav are basically small forwards, though Weav can defend 1-4. Tonight's game should provide a good glimpse of what Miller thinks will be the most effective line-up(s) in SEC. I honestly don't take much from games against D2 teams or the turds of D1. Tonight will be our third game against a team with a pulse. Hopefully it goes better than the first two. But our guard play is ass, and I've seen enough of mark to know you get shit play more often than you get competent play
November 26Nov 26 I think what was most frustrating about the Miller hire is Oats. Alabama had a shit basketball program and somehow not only found him, but have kept him (so far). I just don’t buy the argument that Miller was the best Texas could expect given the state of the program. But maybe the administration really believes Miller can win big. We’ve got a ways to go before we find out.
November 26Nov 26 6 minutes ago, Dbeasy said: I think what was most frustrating about the Miller hire is Oats. Alabama had a shit basketball program and somehow not only found him, but have kept him (so far). I just don’t buy the argument that Miller was the best Texas could expect given the state of the program. But maybe the administration really believes Miller can win big. We’ve got a ways to go before we find out. Miller wasn't the best hire. He was a comfortable hire, both as a coach and financially.
November 26Nov 26 11 minutes ago, Dbeasy said: I think what was most frustrating about the Miller hire is Oats. Alabama had a shit basketball program and somehow not only found him, but have kept him (so far). I just don’t buy the argument that Miller was the best Texas could expect given the state of the program. But maybe the administration really believes Miller can win big. We’ve got a ways to go before we find out. IMO Texas is quite overrated for a basketball job and most high level coaches won’t touch it.
November 26Nov 26 58 minutes ago, The Ace of Aces said: IMO Texas is quite overrated for a basketball job and most high level coaches won’t touch it. You can sneak a lot of mediocrity into the beginning of the season because the fanbase is usually distracted by football
November 26Nov 26 1 hour ago, The Ace of Aces said: IMO Texas is quite overrated for a basketball job and most high level coaches won’t touch it. Ok, but do you believe Alabama was a better basketball job than Texas?
November 26Nov 26 6 hours ago, Derka said: i just do not like this team. nothing personal against any of the players, but this is a poorly constructed roster that’s full of holes that will not be filled by any amount of growth or familiarity. sec play will be brutal, and i honestly don’t even want to play in any postseason tourney that isn’t the big dance. i haven’t been this resigned this early since shaka’s 11-win team. this will be a lost year that is very tough to enjoy. Ball-handling was disgusting, even against D2 Chaminade (I only watched the 1st Half). Glad we're playing mostly scrubs OOC.
November 26Nov 26 7 minutes ago, Dbeasy said: Ok, but do you believe Alabama was a better basketball job than Texas? Only 3 SEC jobs are historically attractive to top coaches - Kentucky, Florida, and Arkansas. The rest of us have the same problem - football is king by a long shot. Amazing what UF has done over the years.
November 26Nov 26 2 hours ago, HenryJames said: Surly already in mid-season form. We’re early achievers … let’s hope the basketball team is late blooming.
November 26Nov 26 1 hour ago, The Ace of Aces said: IMO Texas is quite overrated for a basketball job and most high level coaches won’t touch it. no high level coach is scared of any job, and definitely not this one. UK, Duke, Indiana? sure. there’s a ton of pressure to perform there, right away. not at Texas. budget, city, recruiting ground, expectations, athletic department, the brand, the salary- this is a top 5-10 job in america and has been for a long time. the shaka smart hiring/extension and the chris beard fiasco have made people forget that, but it’s still true. no other job even comes close to having this many perks with such low expectations. it’s a dream job for most coaches.
November 26Nov 26 2 minutes ago, DFW Horn said: Only 3 SEC jobs are historically attractive to top coaches - Kentucky, Florida, and Arkansas. The rest of us have the same problem - football is king by a long shot. Amazing what UF has done over the years. I would agree with that 100%. Hence my question to Aces. Just because the Texas job was according to him, “over-rated”, which might be true, he missed the whole point of my post, which was that another school that has the same challenges as Texas (Alabama), still managed to hire what appears to be so far an outstanding coach. If Miller succeeds, then this message board fodder will have been pointless, but many, myself included, are all speculating about the quality of Miller.
November 26Nov 26 hell, chris beard was maybe the biggest name in coaching, was at an in-state rival, had just signed a long term extension that made him the 4th highest paid coach in america, with a huge buyout, and we got him no problem. yes, he’s an alum, i’ll give you that. that doesn’t change how appealing this job is. rick barnes turned down kentucky to stay here 15 years ago. this has been a destination gig for a long time now.
November 26Nov 26 4 minutes ago, Dbeasy said: what appears to be so far an outstanding coach. you don’t have to qualify it like that, oats is easily a top 5 coach in america. it’s maddeningly simple too: when asked about his offensive philosophy oats said, “the three best shots in basketball are a catch and shoot three, a dunk, and a free throw; so that’s what we take.” as painfully obvious as that sounds, it doesn’t occur to most coaches to play this way and recruit to this style. it certainly never occurred to shaka or RT to implement “take good shots” as part of their philosophies or game plans. Edited November 26Nov 26 by Derka
November 26Nov 26 Just now, Dbeasy said: I would agree with that 100%. Hence my question to Aces. Just because the Texas job was according to him, “over-rated”, which might be true, he missed the whole point of my post, which was that another school that has the same challenges as Texas (Alabama), still managed to hire what appears to be so far an outstanding coach. If Miller succeeds, then this message board fodder will have been pointless, but many, myself included, are all speculating about the quality of Miller. Yeah, but you can't blame Oats for wanting to stay with a program that he's built at a place he's revered. CDC wasn't gonna break the bank for him. Miller's credentials are better, on paper, than Oats. He came from Buffalo for crissakes. Sometimes, teams get lucky.
November 26Nov 26 6 minutes ago, DFW Horn said: Miller's credentials are better, on paper, than Oats in the last five tourneys alabama has been to two sweet 16’s, an elite 8, and a final four. Edited November 26Nov 26 by Derka
November 26Nov 26 1 minute ago, Derka said: I guess I should've clarified - before Oats was hired by Bama.
November 26Nov 26 3 minutes ago, Derka said: in the last five tourneys alabama has been to two sweet 16’s, an elite 8, and a final four. Yes, of course, Oats > Miller now. I thought it was implied that I meant at the time Bama hired him. I should've been more specific.
November 26Nov 26 There are a lot of great coaches who didn’t have good first years at their new schools, even in the portal era. I see some big picture signs that give me hope (recruiting, an actual system being implemented), even if the wins don’t come in bunches this year. Crazy thing to do after 7 games of a tenure but I’ll give him some time to untangle this thing. There weren’t exactly a lot of great things going for the program when he took over.
November 26Nov 26 2 minutes ago, Hookem2147 said: There are a lot of great coaches who didn’t have good first years at their new schools, even in the portal era. I see some big picture signs that give me hope (recruiting, an actual system being implemented), even if the wins don’t come in bunches this year. Crazy thing to do after 7 games of a tenure but I’ll give him some time to untangle this thing. There weren’t exactly a lot of great things going for the program when he took over. McCasland was 23-11 and lost in the first round in his first season at Tech. Like you said, he gets a year to get things in place
November 26Nov 26 mccasland and oats (and beard) are younger coaches on their way up. miller has been past his prime for a decade now. and unlike those coaches miller doesn’t have a set coaching philosophy, all of his best teams have had different looks. it’s a lot easier to enjoy a crappy first year with an up and coming coach with a concrete identity than it is when you have a guy who’s past his prime and whose best days came when he was cheating.
November 26Nov 26 8 minutes ago, Derka said: ...miller doesn’t have a set coaching philosophy, all of his best teams have had different looks. As a coach, you've got two options; Recruit kids who you think fit your system, whatever it is Adapt your style of play to the talent you have I'll withhold judgment for Miller until we see how his teams evolve over the first couple of seasons. But I'm confident CDC and the BMDs will give him the necessary resources to be successful. UT has too much invested in the Moody Center not to put our best foot forward.
November 26Nov 26 3 hours ago, The Ace of Aces said: IMO Texas is quite overrated for a basketball job and most high level coaches won’t touch it. Then that’d make how many times you've been flat ass wrong on this website?
November 26Nov 26 13 minutes ago, Js1 said: Or we can all stop being reactionary vaginas to every loss and first season This. Our fanbase fucking blows sometimes. 1 hour ago, DFW Horn said: Yeah, but you can't blame Oats for wanting to stay with a program that he's built at a place he's revered. CDC wasn't gonna break the bank for him. Miller's credentials are better, on paper, than Oats. He came from Buffalo for crissakes. Sometimes, teams get lucky. 1 hour ago, DFW Horn said: Only 3 SEC jobs are historically attractive to top coaches - Kentucky, Florida, and Arkansas. The rest of us have the same problem - football is king by a long shot. Amazing what UF has done over the years. Oats stayed at Alabama because 1.) he’s shown he can get it to the FF, and it follows the Florida mold where you have all the time you need because football is #1 so just make sure you’re not embarrassing them and you’re golden and 2.) his buyout was super large, and he got assurances from Alabama about a new arena. Just because football is king doesn’t mean you can’t have a top notch basketball program. The Texas job will always be attractive because the pressure is less, the money is good, and the recruiting. You will get time to build your program here and can turn it into a Florida or what Alabama is trying to become. Beard was on his way to doing that.
November 27Nov 27 1 hour ago, Js1 said: Or we can all stop being reactionary vaginas to every loss and first season says the reactionary vagina who can’t handle anything that isn’t blind sunshine pumping. i keep posting 10 years of data to back up my takes. this is anything but “reactionary” (you mean reactive). miller lost his fastball a long time ago and is a david pierce level hire at best. imo, obviously. if you’re going to cry about it every time i post then just put me on ignore. Edited November 27Nov 27 by Derka
November 27Nov 27 I think Miller can load a roster here. This isn't that. He gets a year minimum before we can start calling him the wrong guy. Not super impressed with what I've seen so far but I'm also not impressed with the guys that he inherited.
November 27Nov 27 2 hours ago, DFW Horn said: Yeah, but you can't blame Oats for wanting to stay with a program that he's built at a place he's revered. CDC wasn't gonna break the bank for him. Miller's credentials are better, on paper, than Oats. He came from Buffalo for crissakes. Sometimes, teams get lucky. I’m not saying at all that the mistake was not getting Oats to leave Alabama. Let me try again to restate the point. My point was that Alabama, a school similar to Texas (not a top destination job and more of a football school), managed to find a great coach and keep him. They found him in obscure Buffalo. That was very impressive coach scouting. Meanwhile, Texas took a guy who on paper has some real questions. If Miller kicks ass, then great. All this worrying will have been for nothing. And when Alabama took Oats I’m sure there were tons of questions about his hire. But it turned out to be a very good hire. And he was a pretty unknown entity. Miller is a pretty well known entity, and if history holds he won’t be as successful as Texas or its fans would expect or want. That’s what I find frustrating. It’s a little bit like OU finding Stoops from the DC ranks and Riley from the OC ranks and then beating Texas fairly regularly. Those guys weren’t the big names when they were hired but the OU powers knew enough about football to make sure they got the true up and coming coaches. Of course Riley has plateaued and may flame out, but at OU he caused a lot of issues for Texas.
November 27Nov 27 3 minutes ago, ztejas said: I think Miller can load a roster here. This isn't that. He gets a year minimum before we can start calling him the wrong guy. Not super impressed with what I've seen so far but I'm also not impressed with the guys that he inherited. Agree. He needs a year. I just know that Beard immediately showed a massive impact.
November 27Nov 27 15 minutes ago, Dbeasy said: I just know that Beard immediately showed a massive impact. Did he? We weren't very good Beard's first year. Going into his 2nd year you could really see it.
November 27Nov 27 14 minutes ago, ztejas said: Did he? We weren't very good Beard's first year. Going into his 2nd year you could really see it. That first team was kinda mid, but yeah, year 2 looked like a Final Four team. And almost was
November 27Nov 27 4 hours ago, Dbeasy said: Ok, but do you believe Alabama was a better basketball job than Texas? Now? 100%. Oates built it and wants to sustain it. Good on him.
November 27Nov 27 1 hour ago, ztejas said: Did he? big time. our team was wildly greater than the sum of its parts. it was pretty immediately evident that beard was the real deal, and was changing things overnight. we finished 26th in AdjO and 14th in AdjD and won our first tourney game in 6 years. and we did that with a 6-man rotation of lesser talented guys. head coaching is more important in cbb than any other sport, and beard showed that right away. tre mitchell quit the team and dylan disu got hurt and we finished 15th in kenpom in the toughest league in america. that team was *so* much better than shaka’s previous team that had way more talent, experience, athleticism, and shooting. beard was the difference. Edited November 27Nov 27 by Derka
November 27Nov 27 1 hour ago, The Ace of Aces said: Now? 100%. Oates built it and wants to sustain it. Good on him. Good grief. Are you really this dense? No, not Alabama now. When they hired Oats originally. Seriously dude, are you half asleep right now?
November 27Nov 27 6 minutes ago, Dbeasy said: Good grief. Are you really this dense? No, not Alabama now. When they hired Oats originally. Seriously dude, are you half asleep right now? What has Texas basketball done in the last decade outside the 2023 seasons? Nothing at all. Before then you have to go 2007 for any basketball good stuff. Outside a few Barnes years Texas basketball is first round at best until the 1960s which might as well be caveman times.
November 27Nov 27 4 minutes ago, The Ace of Aces said: What has Texas basketball done in the last decade outside the 2023 seasons? Nothing at all. Before then you have to go 2007 for any basketball good stuff. Outside a few Barnes years Texas basketball is first round at best until the 1960s which might as well be caveman times. Way to avoid the question. At the time Alabama hired Oats, was the Alabama program a better destination than Texas, yes or no?
November 27Nov 27 2h vs chaminade: 10-15 3p tonight: 16-32 3p and the thing about these shots is that they’ve largely been good shots, rhythm jumpers off either a dribble handoff or a catch-and-shoot. before yesterday we were really bad from deep. if we find a happy medium between then and the last two days it will really improve the outlook for this season. really happy with the shot selection.
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