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#12651
2 hours ago, HtownHorn said:

I am shocked that Espada ran Hader into the ground.

48 appearances and 52 innings pitched?

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#12652

Also, how many times this year have we pitched Hader and Abreu with a 4 run lead because they have decided that it’s essentially the same as 3 runs?

 

#12653
55 minutes ago, hornmpa96 said:

Also, how many times this year have we pitched Hader and Abreu with a 4 run lead because they have decided that it’s essentially the same as 3 runs?

 

Yeah, that’s Hector Neris territory there. 

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Christian Walker in 32 games since July 1st:.302 BA/.366 OBP/.508 SLG, 8 2B, 6 HR, 28 RBI, 143 wRC+The only AL first basemen with a higher wRC+ during that time are Nick Kurtz and Vlad Guerrero Jr. #Astros #BuiltForThis

 

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Carlos Correa, Jesus Sanchez and Ramon Urias combined stats since being acquired by Houston:.323 BA | 9 2B | 3 HR | 11 RBI | 1.0 WARShoutout Dana Brown! #Astros #BuiltForThis

 

I’ve really grown to like Taylor Trammell a lotSees pitches & gets on base, has some pop & plays a good defensive CF. Nice player. Solid pickup by Dana Brown this past offseasonHe’s hitting .238/.340/.413 (.753 OPS)(.270 BA & .791 OPS over his last 15)

 

hopefully hader just needs some rest 

#12659

Yup, Dana has been excellent since he got to take decisions on personnel.  He has found some good role players at the bottom of the barrel, and they have been a huge factor in this team being 15 games over .500. Those deadline trades have all been money, and will pay huge dividends come playoff time and next year. Sanchez has 2 years of arbitration left, and Urias has 1, so they aren't half season rentals and will give Dana a ton of flexibility in the offseason. 

If the team can get some more healthy pitchers back, the bullpen will improve greatly. Neris isn't good, but you need some guys to eat innings for now, and they still have another ~45 games to play. I don't think he will be here much longer, as other dudes get promoted, but he's fine for a stopgap. The playoff roster for this team should be stacked and worthy of winning it all.  

#12661
21 minutes ago, kevwun said:

We already have one Neris.  We don't need a 2nd.

 

back to back nerris would be too much for mlb 

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#12662

surly thread is the manager at that yankees game, hader comes off the field and says he's good for another inning 

whats your move 

#12663

The biggest issue is the appearances he's made in 4 run games.  That's quite a few unescessary innings.  At least stagger Hader and Abreu in those games.  Don't use both of them when it's not needed.  Hader has thrown the most innings among closers this season.

#12664
4 minutes ago, kevwun said:

The biggest issue is the appearances he's made in 4 run games.  That's quite a few unescessary innings.  At least stagger Hader and Abreu in those games.  Don't use both of them when it's not needed.  Hader has thrown the most innings among closers this season.

 

i don't track it, but how many times were runs added after he was up and ready ?

i can remember one game. we have a one game lead, we need every W possible 

hopefully he just needs some rest 

go sign presley 

 

 

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Dude he is washed.  The Astros can't turn back the clock.  It's over.

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#12667
22 minutes ago, tx 3 putt said:

surly thread is the manager at that yankees game, hader comes off the field and says he's good for another inning 

whats your move 

I don’t blame Espada for the Yankees game. Hader had an easy 9th and then the 10th inning got away from him with a 10 pitch AB to Goldschmidt and a 7 pitch AB to Stanton. No manager is going to take his closer out of that game.

As said above, the Astros have put a lot of extra innings on Hader and Abreu by pitching them in 4 run games.

Abreu has 12 appearances when the Astros were winning by 4 or more runs. Hader has 6 appearances in those situations as well.

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i'd be curious how many days him and abreu want to go without pitching in a game 

those guys throw daily with the pitching coaches

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#12671

He's on pace for 72.2 IP this season, basically the same as last year. I will blame Espada for when he uses Hader but the volume isn't really an issue to me. Doesn't mean he won't need to be used less as he ages but wasn't really that foreseeable when going from age 30 to age 31.

#12675
51 minutes ago, Limp Brisket said:

Should’ve dumped Neris and sent Gordon to the pen for long relief.

I they are reluctant to jettison the arms they picked up off the scrap heap who have MLB experience but no options remaining. I expect they will hold on to Neris and de Los Santos as long as possible while they can shuttle Gordon up and down.

#12676
3 hours ago, tx 3 putt said:

surly thread is the manager at that yankees game, hader comes off the field and says he's good for another inning 

whats your move 

UP 3 after he's already pitched an inning?  And with how much he's pitched all year?  Bennent Sousa, come on down.  

Look man- even with the ghost runner you have a 90% chance of winning the game without going to the 11th inning. If they score exactly three you still have basically a 50/50 chance starting the 11th.  IT's something like 94% chance of winning with a neutral/average pitcher.  Sousa is a little better than that. Call it 95.  Let's say Hader is 100% (he's not) but being as generous as possible here... for every 20 times you trot sousa out there instead of hader you get 1 less win.  Is that worth putting 20 more high stress innings on Hader's are over the course of the year?  Especially with how much he's been pitching?


Not a fucking chance man. Dumb dumb Espada for a reason. 

#12677

Here is the math:

 

Here’s what I found for the distribution of runs scored in an inning with a runner on second and 0 outs:

From FanGraphs (using 2019 data), in that specific base-out situation, the breakdown is:

  • 0 runs scored: 39.2%

  • 1 run: 31.7%

  • 2 runs: 14.6%

  • 3 runs: 7.5%

  • 4 runs: 3.6%

  • 5 runs: 1.8%

  • 6 or more runs: 1.6%

 

#12678
4 minutes ago, Wulaw Horn said:

UP 3 after he's already pitched an inning?  And with how much he's pitched all year?  Bennent Sousa, come on down.  

Sousa pitched the 6th and 7th inning that game. 
 

This team actually needs Dubin back. Without Dubin, Abreu is the only righty in the bullpen who you can count on.

I’m guessing Hader goes on the 10 day IL to rest and they bring Dubin up.

#12679
4 minutes ago, hornmpa96 said:

Sousa pitched the 6th and 7th inning that game. 
 

This team actually needs Dubin back. Without Dubin, Abreu is the only righty in the bullpen who you can count on.

I’m guessing Hader goes on the 10 day IL to rest and they bring Dubin up.

100% lock Hader on the IL, and it's apparently muscle and not ligament- so that's good. It didn't have to be Sousa- I'd be fine with Okert.  Hell- I'd have preferred Gordon I think since you decided he wasn't starting Sunday.  

But yeah, Dubin coming back will be a godsend, too bad it's not to add to Hader and instead it's to replace.

#12680
23 minutes ago, hornmpa96 said:

I’m guessing Hader goes on the 10 day IL to rest and they bring Dubin up.

absolutely the best case scenario and I hope that's the news we get today

#12681
The @Astros are calling up their No. 2 prospect, Jacob Melton.The 2022 second-rounder has an .880 OPS with the Triple-A @SLSpaceCowboys this season: https://t.co/zZ3xc3ZigM

 

#12682

The Astros against Dustin May:

Peña 6, Correa 5, Altuve DH, Sánchez 9, Walker 3, Diaz 2, Trammell 7, Urías 4, Melton 8

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#12683

welp

Astros have placed LHP Josh Hader on the 15-day IL (retro to Aug. 11) with a left shoulder strain...the club has also reinstated RHP Shawn Dubin from the 15-day IL, recalled LHP Colton Gordon from Triple A and designated RHP Hector Neris for assignment.

 

#12684
Just now, tx 3 putt said:

welp

Astros have placed LHP Josh Hader on the 15-day IL (retro to Aug. 11) with a left shoulder strain...the club has also reinstated RHP Shawn Dubin from the 15-day IL, recalled LHP Colton Gordon from Triple A and designated RHP Hector Neris for assignment.

 

pray it's only 15 days. As I said an hour ago, guranteed lead pipe cinch on the DL

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#12685

astros did nerris a solid letting him get his 10 year milestone here 

that's the type of move that only strengthens the clubhouse culture 

#12691
38 minutes ago, Jshep34 said:

Fingers crossed just 15 day IL visit

Depends on how long it takes for him to get used to the prosthetic after amputation

#12692

So whats the move for Melton?

Added Gordon/Dubin subtracted Hader/Neris.

Trammell is in lineup tonight too....so Chas??

Or am i missing something?

#12693
57 minutes ago, tx 3 putt said:
The @Astros are calling up their No. 2 prospect, Jacob Melton.The 2022 second-rounder has an .880 OPS with the Triple-A @SLSpaceCowboys this season: https://t.co/zZ3xc3ZigM

 

he was on the bench last night

1 minute ago, Scraps said:

So whats the move for Melton?

Added Gordon/Dubin subtracted Hader/Neris.

Trammell is in lineup tonight too....so Chas??

Or am i missing something?

Hummell was DFAd and Gordon sent down last night fo Javier and Melton

#12694

That makes sense...was at the game and missed that move being for Melton...just was paying attention to Hummel being booted

Should have double checked fucking putt cause now see date 8/11

#12697
3 minutes ago, Scraps said:

Oh lawd....crybaby Graveman DFA yesterday too

So Pressly, Graveman, Osuna, and Giles are all available?  Tough call for Dana.

#12699
27 minutes ago, Welch said:

So Pressly, Graveman, Osuna, and Giles are all available?  Tough call for Dana.

 

garcia, france, LMJ ...

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Looking at clock and I'm just, "Fuck, two and a half more hours???"  People can bitch about the season being too long, but I don't think so.

Not sure how the hell that is a quote.  I've only had one beer.

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