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17 year old stabbed to death by another 17 year old at Frisco track meet

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9 minutes ago, Vegas64 said:

I get the sense that people from Austin and Houston are not able to grasp just how insular the communities and schools of Far North Texas are. I get the sense the watchers aren't there because teens are giggly and flirty with each other @Thatguy. These areas it's more likely there are watcher because they want make sure the kids zoned into their schools via apartments aren't stealing their things. 

I mean, the Fisco mascot was the Coons for the longest time and it was a running joke.

Because Houston doesn't have these same problems? There is nowhere with worse zoning issues than Houston. Doesn't make my description of what happens at track meets any less accurate.

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4 minutes ago, BabaYaga said:

He didn't know anyone at that tent, and he certainly didn't know the victim.  Karmelo's parents stated that in a prepared statement.  Again, there were prior concerns of theft at these meets so the coaches had kids watch the tents during events.  

So he was just sitting under that tent with a hoodie on and a knife in his hand? Or was he there chatting up a female?

Just now, Thatguy said:

Because Houston doesn't have these same problems? There is nowhere with worse zoning issues than Houston. Doesn't make my description of what happens at track meets any less accurate.

Good points and I honestly don't know with respect to Houston and the culture of highschools and track meets that you are describing. Maybe it's a universal experience with all teens and schools as you seem to suggest, but what makes you so sure of it? I moved to this area a few years ago and can say from my firsthand experience I'd never seen anything quite like it from my stints in other areas of Dallas, Austin and Houston.

Just now, Not a cat said:

 

Is this a pickup line I should learn for the middle age divorced suburban mom dating market and if so WTF does it even mean?

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I'm laughing at the image of a self-described middle aged divorced suburban dad using AAVE to pick up the middle aged suburban mom.

Just when I thought this thread had moved on from tent talk. 
 

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1 minute ago, Vegas64 said:

Good points and I honestly don't know with respect to Houston and the culture of highschools and track meets that you are describing. Maybe it's a universal experience with all teens and schools as you seem to suggest, but what makes you so sure of it? I moved to this area a few years ago and can say from my firsthand experience I'd never seen anything quite like it from my stints in other areas of Dallas, Austin and Houston.

Because Texas track culture is largely all the same. It starts with track clubs for the littles. My daughter ran for Beast Mode til she was 10. Then high school.

8 minutes ago, Not a cat said:

 

Is this a pickup line I should learn for the middle age divorced suburban mom dating market and if so WTF does it even mean?

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3 minutes ago, Vegas64 said:

I'm laughing at the image of a self-described middle aged divorced suburban dad using AAVE to pick up the middle aged suburban mom.

Yeah. It doesn't even work on my daughter. She says it gives her the ick. She is a super proper, well-to-do suburban girl.

19 minutes ago, Not a cat said:

 

Is this a pickup line I should learn for the middle age divorced suburban mom dating market and if so WTF does it even mean?

 

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On 4/3/2025 at 3:28 PM, crash_davis said:

so this is the real derka...

this thread will go on for another 3 pages. 

 

On 4/3/2025 at 3:31 PM, Bill Brasky said:

i'll take the over 

after just reading the last seven pages of this shitass thread, some people owe derka an apology.

Just now, sidis said:

 

after just reading the last seven pages of this shitass thread, some people owe derka an apology.

No, quite the opposite. Derka owes us an apology for setting the tone in this shitass thread. He doomed it from the start.

9 minutes ago, Vegas64 said:

Good points and I honestly don't know with respect to Houston and the culture of highschools and track meets that you are describing. Maybe it's a universal experience with all teens and schools as you seem to suggest, but what makes you so sure of it? I moved to this area a few years ago and can say from my firsthand experience I'd never seen anything quite like it from my stints in other areas of Dallas, Austin and Houston.

To elaborate, track athletes run for track clubs just like AAU for basketball and club volleyball. So by 17 these kids all know each other and are moving around at these events. My daughter has now played with kids from Pearland, Dawson, Manvel, Clear Falls, Clear Brook, Clear Lake, Santa Fe, Ridge Point, Dulles, Tompkins, Pasadena, Sam Rayburn, Beaumont, Bridge City, Kingwood, Cy-Fair, Oak Ridge, Jersey Village, Clear Springs, Alvin, St Agnes, Clear Creek, and Klein. Those are just the kids she has played with and doesn't include the kids she has trained with or knows from competing against. Track is the same way and so these kids move around a lot. It is totally different than when we were young.

3 minutes ago, royiv said:

No, quite the opposite. Derka owes us an apology for setting the tone in this shitass thread. He doomed it from the start.

while i agree that he screwed up which i explained to him, he did not invoke the fucking diatribes over north texas track meet tent etiquette and watcher roles, nor the pedantry on charging or sentencing guidelines.

37 minutes ago, Thatguy said:

So he was just sitting under that tent with a hoodie on and a knife in his hand? Or was he there chatting up a female?

Do you really not know the details of the story?  

Coaches warned their teams to watch the tents due to concerns of theft.

At most of these track meets, spectators stay in the home side stands and fence surrounding the track. Competitors set up their tents in the visitor's stands and surrounding area. Spectators don't go over there, just athletes and coaches.  Nothing I have seen or heard indicates he was trying to talk to girls, just that he was caught at their tent and things escalated unusually fast.

Everything reported makes it appear that he did this deliberately.  He wasn't wearing any school uniforms or identification.  The knife was in his bag.  When told to leave he postured with the "make me...see what happens" line and stabbed the victim when he closed the distance with the attacker.  This all seems deliberate.

On 4/3/2025 at 5:45 PM, Derka said:

countless people have died from one stab wound to the leg, it’s pretty easy to die when a major artery is severed. 

Also arrows in the knee. 

Have not seen any reports one what type of knife he was carrying.  Was it a pocket knife with a 3" blade that a lot of Texans carry routinely?  Or a fixed blade 6" knife that you would only carry to stab someone?

1 minute ago, Frank Drebin said:

Have not seen any reports one what type of knife he was carrying.  Was it a pocket knife with a 3" blade that a lot of Texans carry routinely?  Or a fixed blade 6" knife that you would only carry to stab someone?

Could have been a 6" filet knife that would be carried to filet fish or, of course, stab someone.

14 minutes ago, Jerry Callo said:

Could have been a 6" filet knife that would be carried to filet fish or, of course, stab someone.

Not sure how good a filet knife would be at stabbing someone in the chest.  

I was just curious if he was carrying a pocket knife or the Jackhawk 9000.

46 minutes ago, BabaYaga said:

Do you really not know the details of the story?  

Coaches warned their teams to watch the tents due to concerns of theft.

At most of these track meets, spectators stay in the home side stands and fence surrounding the track. Competitors set up their tents in the visitor's stands and surrounding area. Spectators don't go over there, just athletes and coaches.  Nothing I have seen or heard indicates he was trying to talk to girls, just that he was caught at their tent and things escalated unusually fast.

Everything reported makes it appear that he did this deliberately.  He wasn't wearing any school uniforms or identification.  The knife was in his bag.  When told to leave he postured with the "make me...see what happens" line and stabbed the victim when he closed the distance with the attacker.  This all seems deliberate.

I know as much as you know. He runs track right? I find it hard to believe that he randomly chose that tent to go to. If he was looking to steal why would he choose a tent that was occupied? You say he didn't know those kids so why would he pick them? Something doesn't add up. Again, this isn't saying he is or isn't guilty.

Just now, Thatguy said:

I know as much as you know. He runs track right? I find it hard to believe that he randomly chose that tent to go to. If he was looking to steal why would he choose a tent that was occupied? You say he didn't know those kids so why would he pick them? Something doesn't add up. Again, this isn't saying he is or isn't guilty.

Even taking his version of events, he is pretty much guilty of murder.  Nothing suggests using lethal force was justified.

3 hours ago, 956 Worldwide said:

Never had a knife but always packed a big gun in the trunks tho.

 

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6 minutes ago, Thatguy said:

I know as much as you know. He runs track right? I find it hard to believe that he randomly chose that tent to go to. If he was looking to steal why would he choose a tent that was occupied? You say he didn't know those kids so why would he pick them? Something doesn't add up. Again, this isn't saying he is or isn't guilty.

As I understand it, he was there prior to the victim walking up - as in he was already under the tent, causing the victim to bark at him to get away and the escalation ensued.  

9 minutes ago, Frank Drebin said:

Even taking his version of events, he is pretty much guilty of murder.  Nothing suggests using lethal force was justified.

We will see. There are a lot of witnesses. Kids don't elaborate well, especially under pressure. You know this.

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4 hours ago, Helobious said:

Same county, 2015, two white 16 year olds were convicted of murdering a latino classmate at Wylie East because they didn’t like that he was dating a girl one of them liked. They had a whole detailed plan to ambush him in the woods, transport the body and bury it elsewhere. 
 

They were each sentenced to 30 years in prison, eligible for parole after 15. And they were even being charged as adults mind you. No big national story, no outrage, no End Wokeness retweets. But yeah let’s throw away this kid for life.

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Same with the 2 you cited.

34 minutes ago, BabaYaga said:

As I understand it, he was there prior to the victim walking up - as in he was already under the tent, causing the victim to bark at him to get away and the escalation ensued.  

That's how I understood it as well. @Thatguy also to note, from what I've seen in the area (Frisco/Prosper) these kids like the victim Austin Metcalf and others aren't track atheletes and hypertrained and focused on the sport. They are football players who do track in the Spring because their coaches ask them to and to maintain conditioning and training. They aren't growing up together as competitors in some AAU-version of track and have grown relationships around their competitors.

Maybe for Karmelo Anthony it was different and there's a different sub-culture that I'm sure exists where there are kids that train and compete like your daughter, but I would venture a guess that your experience is not germane to what we are going to find out happened here when the dust settles. But until it plays out I guess we can all spill a lot of ink about it and listen to each other's Tent Talks.

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51 minutes ago, Vegas64 said:

That's how I understood it as well. @Thatguy also to note, from what I've seen in the area (Frisco/Prosper) these kids like the victim Austin Metcalf and others aren't track atheletes and hypertrained and focused on the sport. They are football players who do track in the Spring because their coaches ask them to and to maintain conditioning and training. They aren't growing up together as competitors in some AAU-version of track and have grown relationships around their competitors.

Maybe for Karmelo Anthony it was different and there's a different sub-culture that I'm sure exists where there are kids that train and compete like your daughter, but I would venture a guess that your experience is not germane to what we are going to find out happened here when the dust settles. But until it plays out I guess we can all spill a lot of ink about it and listen to each other's Tent Talks.

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24 minutes ago, Vegas64 said:

That's how I understood it as well. @Thatguy also to note, from what I've seen in the area (Frisco/Prosper) these kids like the victim Austin Metcalf and others aren't track atheletes and hypertrained and focused on the sport. They are football players who do track in the Spring because their coaches ask them to and to maintain conditioning and training. They aren't growing up together as competitors in some AAU-version of track and have grown relationships around their competitors.

Maybe for Karmelo Anthony it was different and there's a different sub-culture that I'm sure exists where there are kids that train and compete like your daughter, but I would venture a guess that your experience is not germane to what we are going to find out happened here when the dust settles. But until it plays out I guess we can all spill a lot of ink about it and listen to each other's Tent Talks.

Again. Athletes know the other athletes from surrounding schools. My daughter's high school teammate showed up to our volleyball banquet with Jonah Williams on her arm who goes to Galveston Ball. We are in their district so they likely met at..... you guessed it.......a track meet. Both kids are not primarily track athletes. Again, these kids move around talking to one another. Half the girls on our volleyball team are dating kids from other schools. Part of me is wondering if you guys have high school athletes as you don't seem to be in touch with how things go.

Just now, Thatguy said:

Again. Athletes know the other athletes from surrounding schools. My daughter's high school teammate showed up to our volleyball banquet with Jonah Williams on her arm who goes to Galveston Ball. We are in their district so they likely met at..... you guessed it.......a track meet. Both kids are not primarily track athletes. Again, these kids move around talking to one another. Half the girls on our volleyball team are dating kids from other schools. Part of me is wondering if you guys have high school athletes as you don't seem to be in touch with how things go.

Karmelo's family put out a statement that the boys did not know one another.  

 

Just now, BabaYaga said:

Karmelo's family put out a statement that the boys did not know one another.  

 

In all fairness, lots of questionable things have been put out there...

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2 hours ago, totallynotabuttpirate said:

Also arrows in the knee. 

RIP Gus. 🙏🏼 

4 minutes ago, BabaYaga said:

Karmelo's family put out a statement that the boys did not know one another.  

 

That wouldn't mean that he didn't know someone else from the school.  But my understanding is that he was just chilling under the wrong tent by himself, not chatting it up with friends.  Which would completely negate the argument that he was there to see friends.  If not there to see friends then Karmelo had no business being under that tent.  That means he only could have been under the tent because he had bad intentions.  I have a friend who is a track coach at one of the schools involved and was there and witnessed the events in question.

22 minutes ago, Thomas Walsh said:

And??? What did they think?

She doesn't want to talk about it and I'm not going to ask.

43 minutes ago, Thatguy said:

Again. Athletes know the other athletes from surrounding schools. My daughter's high school teammate showed up to our volleyball banquet with Jonah Williams on her arm who goes to Galveston Ball. We are in their district so they likely met at..... you guessed it.......a track meet. Both kids are not primarily track athletes. Again, these kids move around talking to one another. Half the girls on our volleyball team are dating kids from other schools. Part of me is wondering if you guys have high school athletes as you don't seem to be in touch with how things go.

I don't have current high school athletes so my observations are second hand from friends and colleagues who still do, specifically at these schools and in this area, but I'll defer to you since you are living it right now and these kids are always changing and confounding us olds.

To further put a point on my being out of touch @Thatguy, I have zero idea who Jonah Williams is and what hte Galveston Ball is. I'm assuming it's either a debutante ball thing or a kappa sea wall party or something in between.

ETA found it!

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Jonah "Island Boi" Williams (his self-identifed sobriquet, not mine). Star Baseball player and hopefully one day star footballer as well!

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6 hours ago, Helobious said:

Same county, 2015, two white 16 year olds were convicted of murdering a latino classmate at Wylie East because they didn’t like that he was dating a girl one of them liked. They had a whole detailed plan to ambush him in the woods, transport the body and bury it elsewhere. 
 

They were each sentenced to 30 years in prison, eligible for parole after 15. And they were even being charged as adults mind you. No big national story, no outrage, no End Wokeness retweets. But yeah let’s throw away this kid for life.

That sounds like some pussy woke ass nuance. Apparently we're just supposed to execute him this weekend. 

31 minutes ago, Vegas64 said:

I have zero idea who Jonah Williams is and what hte Galveston Ball is. I'm assuming it's either a debutante ball thing or a kappa sea wall party or something in between.

It's a high school.  One that cranks out a lot of great athletes.

11 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said:

It's a high school.  One that cranks out a lot of great athletes.

Because of their dance program

7 hours ago, Helobious said:

Same county, 2015, two white 16 year olds were convicted of murdering a latino classmate at Wylie East because they didn’t like that he was dating a girl one of them liked. They had a whole detailed plan to ambush him in the woods, transport the body and bury it elsewhere. 
 

They were each sentenced to 30 years in prison, eligible for parole after 15. And they were even being charged as adults mind you. No big national story, no outrage, no End Wokeness retweets. But yeah let’s throw away this kid for life.

He didn’t seem to care about metcalf’s life.  Killed him

1 hour ago, 'stache said:

That sounds like some pussy woke ass nuance. Apparently we're just supposed to execute him this weekend. 

No no.  He’s misunderstood.    It was an accident I’m sure 

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53 minutes ago, Im_smarter_then_you said:

He didn’t seem to care about metcalf’s life.  Killed him

But you’re ok with those other two kids getting off easy. Can’t imagine why

5 hours ago, Frank Drebin said:

Not sure how good a filet knife would be at stabbing someone in the chest.  

I was just curious if he was carrying a pocket knife or the Jackhawk 9000.

The police report/arrest affidavit said something about finding it folded.

1 hour ago, Im_smarter_then_you said:

No no.  He’s misunderstood.    It was an accident I’m sure 

Criminal law is all about nuance. Degrees of a crime, intent, knowledge, etc. Its why there are multiple degrees of homicide and manslaughter. Discussing these issues isn't "woke" or CR. Its literally the practice of criminal law. 

10 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

The police report/arrest affidavit said something about finding it folded.

No reason whatsoever a teenager should be carrying one, but EDC folding knives are practically a fashion statement these days versus any real need for practical use. Would run counter to the "he had a knife and was looking for an excuse to use it" angle if it was something he routinely carried. Probably a couple dozen men in the crowd with one in their pocket or beltline.

33 minutes ago, Helobious said:

But you’re ok with those other two kids getting off easy. Can’t imagine why

They can get life too.  Never said I was

16 minutes ago, Foosters said:

Criminal law is all about nuance. Degrees of a crime, intent, knowledge, etc. Its why there are multiple degrees of homicide and manslaughter. Discussing these issues isn't "woke" or CR. Its literally the practice of criminal law. 

Yes.  This will end up being self defense. 

36 minutes ago, Im_smarter_then_you said:

Yes.  This will end up being self defense. 

Probably not.

46 minutes ago, Im_smarter_then_you said:

They can get life too.  Never said I was

Yes.  This will end up being self defense. 

I'd wager a plead down to manslaughter as far more likely at best.

1 hour ago, Foosters said:

Criminal law is all about nuance. Degrees of a crime, intent, knowledge, etc. Its why there are multiple degrees of homicide and manslaughter. Discussing these issues isn't "woke" or CR. Its literally the practice of criminal law. 

I was told semantics have no place in law

2 minutes ago, chainsaw said:

I was told semantics have no place in law

But some antics do.

Like, for example....a briefcase monkey.

3 hours ago, Helobious said:

But you’re ok with those other two kids getting off easy. Can’t imagine why

I don’t think a 16 year old getting 30 years on a plea deal is easy. Not saying it’s draconian. But assuming first offense it’s a pretty reasonable plea deal for a 16 year old getting murder 1.  Sentencing range is 5 to 99 for first degree murder in Texas.  They took a deal to get lower range.  And Texas isn’t exactly parol friendly. Bet they do 75 percent of the sentence. 

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