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21 hours ago, fuggled said:

Also in that Colorado ruling, the judge is saying Alien Enemies Act likely doesn't apply.

 

Court:  AEA likely doesn't apply

Dotard:  I likely don't give one flying fuck what you say and you aren't going to do anything about it.

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Wow, this is almost hard to believe but nothing should surprise me anymore.  If I'm understanding this correctly, AFTER a restraining order was issued to ICE not to deport 3 individuals, ICE handed them over to DOD who then deported them.  ICE just submitted in court tonight that DOD isn't a defendant so they didn't violate the TRO.

 

And in other news, maybe they're getting close to an agreement regarding Abrego Garcia?  Maybe not? Who knows. 

 

 

10 minutes ago, fuggled said:

Wow, this is almost hard to believe but nothing should surprise me anymore.  If I'm understanding this correctly, AFTER a restraining order was issued to ICE not to deport 3 individuals, ICE handed them over to DOD who then deported them.  ICE just submitted in court tonight that DOD isn't a defendant so they didn't violate the TRO.

 

Unlike some of these TROs and injunctions, that one contained the magic language:

Defendants, and all of their officers, agents, servants, employees, attorneys, successors, assigns, and persons acting in concert or participation with them are hereby ENJOINED and RESTRAINED from:

Judges need to sharpen up their orders here, that's standard shit.

28 minutes ago, fuggled said:

And in other news, maybe they're getting close to an agreement regarding Abrego Garcia?  Maybe not? Who knows. 

 

 

Xinis' order of yesterday, denying almost all of the government's objections to discovery, citing bad faith, and ordering answers.  https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/69777799/100/abrego-garcia-v-noem/

I think you are correct, the government is just going to back down rather than push it much further.

 

32 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

Unlike some of these TROs and injunctions, that one contained the magic language:

Defendants, and all of their officers, agents, servants, employees, attorneys, successors, assigns, and persons acting in concert or participation with them are hereby ENJOINED and RESTRAINED from:

Judges need to sharpen up their orders here, that's standard shit.

Digging around, the lawyer that signed the response, Mary Larakers, is a UH and St. Mary's graduate.  She has been employed in the government since 2017, so she's likely just a civil servant.

But the administration has put her in an awful place.  That "no DHS personnel aboard" and "DHS did not direct DOD to deport" is pretty clearly saying the only things favorable to DHS in that situation.  I'd be looking for another job is I was Ms. Larakers.  Yikes.

10 hours ago, TwiceHorn said:

Xinis' order of yesterday, denying almost all of the government's objections to discovery, citing bad faith, and ordering answers.  https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/69777799/100/abrego-garcia-v-noem/

I think you are correct, the government is just going to back down rather than push it much further.

 

Maybe. But if Abrego's legal team is willing to agree to stop pursuing discovery, I have to think the agreement from the government is going to be broader than just "ask him to be returned". The only way I gave up this bit of leverage is if not only do we have an agreement to get him returned, but also to not deport him again upon return. 

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Maybe. But if Abrego's legal team is willing to agree to stop pursuing discovery, I have to think the agreement from the government is going to be broader than just "ask him to be returned". The only way I gave up this bit of leverage is if not only do we have an agreement to get him returned, but also to not deport him again upon return. 

At this point, we need to assume we are all Native Americans as far as treaties and deals are concerned. Don’t trust and over verify.

Tl;Dr this administration cannot be trusted in any word or deed.
18 minutes ago, Dahobbs said:

Maybe. But if Abrego's legal team is willing to agree to stop pursuing discovery, I have to think the agreement from the government is going to be broader than just "ask him to be returned". The only way I gave up this bit of leverage is if not only do we have an agreement to get him returned, but also to not deport him again upon return. 

Right.  Don't know how far the gubmint is going to go, but if the plaintiffs agreed to it, there seems to be something very good in it for Abrego Garcia.

Maybe, given the abusive and capricious use of power everywhere in this, the gubmint has decided this isn't the greatest test case for executive foreign relations and national security power.

Also, in the judge's discovery order, there was an allusion to some discussion with El Salvador.

Yeah, no, I'm not gonna start feeling optimistic until Abrego-Garcia is the first of many to actually receive substantive due process. The courts can huff and puff, but they're only ever heeded by the trumpist fascists when it suits them.

Hell, even the goddamn nazis took great pains to stay within the bounds of their legal system. We are on uncharted waters and I couldn't agree more with the "we are native Americans negotiating with Andrew Jackson" sentiment.

A second judge has ordered the Trump administration to return a second man from El Salvador who was blocked from deportation for different reasons (it violated a prior court settlement).

 

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13 minutes ago, fuggled said:

A second judge has ordered the Trump administration to return a second man from El Salvador who was blocked from deportation for different reasons (it violated a prior court settlement).

 

Can media stop using “deported”? When someone is deported they get back to their country of origin and are free. They aren’t sent to a completely different country and put in a slave labor prison indefinitely with no apparent ability to challenge or even limit their time in prison. 
 

Edited to add that this is only the second person we’re hearing about. How many others? I believe I read 280 or so individuals were sent to CECOT but we only have names for 237. There was at least one individual swept up and now there’s no record of where he is or even if he’s alive. We’ve already heard about multiple US Citizens being detained. This is the grossest shit our country has done since Japanese internment

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4 minutes ago, Pig Bellmont said:

Can media stop using “deported”? When someone is deported they get back to their country of origin and are free. They aren’t sent to a completely different country and put in a slave labor prison indefinitely with no apparent ability to challenge or even limit their time in prison. 

Yes please. We are sending people with no criminal records to a prison where you apparently only leave when you die. Media: "Trump's hard line stance on immigration. Do you agree with his aggressive, pro-America deportations? We'll discuss, coming up next." 

1 hour ago, Pig Bellmont said:

Can media stop using “deported”? When someone is deported they get back to their country of origin and are free. They aren’t sent to a completely different country and put in a slave labor prison indefinitely with no apparent ability to challenge or even limit their time in prison. 
 

Edited to add that this is only the second person we’re hearing about. How many others? I believe I read 280 or so individuals were sent to CECOT but we only have names for 237. There was at least one individual swept up and now there’s no record of where he is or even if he’s alive. We’ve already heard about multiple US Citizens being detained. This is the grossest shit our country has done since Japanese internment

 

There are over 100 men who were sent to CECOT outside the AEA authority.  They were sent there, according to DHS, under typical INA processes but there is no clear legal basis for holding them in El Salvador. 

https://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/inside-the-fight-to-return-the-other-men-trump-sent-to-cecot

From the article, here's one guy who agreed to go back to Venezuela and withdrew his asylum claim, but not he's sitting in a prison camp.

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Miguel entered the United States in 2021, Gloria told TPM. He’s had a few run-ins with the law: in 2023, he was charged in Pennsylvania with retail theft. The New York Post called Vaamondes Barrios a “migrant squatter” in a story last year after he was arrested at a building in the Bronx while police were investigating a report of a man with a gun; a weapons possession charge was later dropped.

In some ways, he exemplifies how the administration’s plan to indefinitely confine people in a Salvadoran detention camp flattens the complexity of each case. Miguel Vaamondes Barrios had agreed to be removed to Venezuela, per documents reviewed by TPM, and agreed to withdraw an asylum claim.

Because the government sent him to CECOT, there remains an open question about whose custody he is in and who can secure his release. Gloria Vaamondes Barrios has sought legal counsel, but is proceeding pro se in a habeas lawsuit she brought in Brooklyn federal court on March 31.

 

16 hours ago, fuggled said:

Wow, this is almost hard to believe but nothing should surprise me anymore.  If I'm understanding this correctly, AFTER a restraining order was issued to ICE not to deport 3 individuals, ICE handed them over to DOD who then deported them.  ICE just submitted in court tonight that DOD isn't a defendant so they didn't violate the TRO.

 

Like I said, hope all these pieces of shit just following orders never have a good nights sleep and burn In hell sooner rather than later. 

25 minutes ago, Pancho said:

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"They won't explain why."

Dudes.  Here's the cheat code, and it applies to literally everything happening right now: is it a fucking dickish, totally assholish thing to do?  Yes? Well then, THAT'S WHY THEY'RE DOING IT.

The operating principle of our government is "be randomly mean assholes.

This all feels like it’s being orchestrated by Steven Miller.

23 hours ago, Captainant said:

Yeah, no, I'm not gonna start feeling optimistic until Abrego-Garcia is the first of many to actually receive substantive due process. The courts can huff and puff, but they're only ever heeded by the trumpist fascists when it suits them.

Hell, even the goddamn nazis took great pains to stay within the bounds of their legal system. We are on uncharted waters and I couldn't agree more with the "we are native Americans negotiating with Andrew Jackson" sentiment.

I think you meant to say procedural due process. 

On 4/24/2025 at 11:08 AM, fuggled said:

 

There are over 100 men who were sent to CECOT outside the AEA authority.  They were sent there, according to DHS, under typical INA processes but there is no clear legal basis for holding them in El Salvador. 

https://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/inside-the-fight-to-return-the-other-men-trump-sent-to-cecot

From the article, here's one guy who agreed to go back to Venezuela and withdrew his asylum claim, but not he's sitting in a prison camp.

 

The article says his wife is going pro se on the habeas action. That seems very ill advised considered how shady the other side seems to be acting in some/all? of the other cases. I’m surprised there isn’t a big firm or two taking on all of these cases in some form or fashion. And likely for free or very reduced cost. Immigration attorneys, in my opinion and experience, are by far the most passionate of our profession. They aren’t chasing money, it’s truly a calling for them. 

19 minutes ago, DDD Dad said:

Yeah, I’m waiting to see more on that. Because at face value, it seems very very bad.

From what I gather, the allegation is that she told the dude and his attorney to leave her courtroom through a side door, after somehow being made aware that there were ICE agents in the courthouse coming for him.

I don’t think that’s illegal. Is his attorney also guilty of obstructing an investigation? What if I have a client that I know is going to get arrested if they show up for a hearing that I could attend for them myself, and I tell them “just stay home, I’ll make the appearance for you” … is that illegal?

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Lots of people in this administration should face long prison sentences 

 

 

19 hours ago, Pancho said:

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request: a quick search before posting

this incident happened a week ago tonight and he was released saturday morning

it's still a story but when it's already resolved it should be posted as such imho

1 hour ago, Firemans4Horn said:

Lots of people in this administration should face long prison sentences 

 

 

it suspiciously sounds like the State Department at one time was trying to "facilitate his return". So, you know, it can be done.

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5 hours ago, SquishMitten said:

Yeah, I’m waiting to see more on that. Because at face value, it seems very very bad.

From what I gather, the allegation is that she told the dude and his attorney to leave her courtroom through a side door, after somehow being made aware that there were ICE agents in the courthouse coming for him.

I don’t think that’s illegal. Is his attorney also guilty of obstructing an investigation? What if I have a client that I know is going to get arrested if they show up for a hearing that I could attend for them myself, and I tell them “just stay home, I’ll make the appearance for you” … is that illegal?

Since when does legality have anything to do with what Trump does or doesn’t do?

Should we be creating separate threads for every gulag, or just keep everything in one place?  Current thread title doesn't really reflect our blossoming bouquet of concentration camps.

 

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6 minutes ago, immamac said:

He looked like warmed over dogshit with the Canadian PM and has been pathetic lately with all the L's he is racking ups, so yeah I would say he is. 

Counterpoint: He's looked like hammered dogshit for years now, he's not in jail, he's the president of the united states who doesn't give a fuck about governing, he's immune from prosecution, he's surrounding by an army of sycophants and dick suckers, 40% of America will suck his dick if he asked, and he probably played golf 3 times this week, and he's grifting more money than he ever has in his life. 

16 minutes ago, fuggled said:

Should we be creating separate threads for every gulag, or just keep everything in one place?  Current thread title doesn't really reflect our blossoming bouquet of concentration camps.

 

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I don't know guys. Sending dudes to prison torture camps with life sentences on the basis solely of whether we like their tattoos or not seems, I don't know, just absolutely fucking evil. Real nazi shit. Rioting in the streets stuff. Impeachment. Etc. 

Oh well.

2 hours ago, Red Five said:

So how's it looking on that 9-0 Supreme Court order? Dude back yet? It's been weeks. 

all quiet.

2 hours ago, immamac said:

He looked like warmed over dogshit with the Canadian PM and has been pathetic lately with all the L's he is racking ups, so yeah I would say he is. 

Bud. You have to stop with the "this is where the tide finally turns" optimism.

I don't think it's as bad as some of you are making it. It's bad, and I'm not saying it's anything but bad, but there is a lot of hyperbole as well. 

Trump is not being able to just run freely and do whatever he wants and the courts have pushed back substantially and as of now these deportations have slowed down significantly and the administration is losing very important challenges, is it happening as fast as we all want it to? no. 

16 minutes ago, immamac said:

I don't think it's as bad as some of you are making it. It's bad, and I'm not saying it's anything but bad, but there is a lot of hyperbole as well. 

Trump is not being able to just run freely and do whatever he wants and the courts have pushed back substantially and as of now these deportations have slowed down significantly and the administration is losing very important challenges, is it happening as fast as we all want it to? no. 

You really should watch the latest Last Week Tonight  if you haven't yet.

Someone should Luigi Stephen Miller. 

1 hour ago, Red Five said:

Like what? 

like how widespread it is and how many people it is actually having an impact on. 

It's an issue that seriously erodes the lawfulness of this country, and that does have broad impacts, but it's not completely fucking out of control sending people by the 10s of thousands a day etc. We are sub 10k total still for the whole fucking year, they are actually doing a completely shit job at deportations, less than Biden in 2024 pacing. 

I cannot overstate how fucked up it is that even a single person is being deported without due process and being sent to other countries illegally, but lets not sit here and claim its 100k+ people so far. 

Here's CBP interactions by month for the last year. 

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43 minutes ago, immamac said:

like how widespread it is and how many people it is actually having an impact on. 

It's an issue that seriously erodes the lawfulness of this country, and that does have broad impacts, but it's not completely fucking out of control sending people by the 10s of thousands a day etc. We are sub 10k total still for the whole fucking year, they are actually doing a completely shit job at deportations, less than Biden in 2024 pacing. 

I cannot overstate how fucked up it is that even a single person is being deported without due process and being sent to other countries illegally, but lets not sit here and claim its 100k+ people so far. 

Here's CBP interactions by month for the last year. 

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Dude, you're completely wrong here.  If the government is allowed to ignore the rights of one person, they've succeeded in stripping rights away from 365 million American citizens.  That's the number that should matter and it's not hyperbole.

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2 hours ago, immamac said:

I don't think it's as bad as some of you are making it. It's bad, and I'm not saying it's anything but bad, but there is a lot of hyperbole as well. 

Trump is not being able to just run freely and do whatever he wants and the courts have pushed back substantially and as of now these deportations have slowed down significantly and the administration is losing very important challenges, is it happening as fast as we all want it to? no. 

Sorry, this is normalcy bias talking. This is a fire on the bottom floors of the building we live in. It just feels like hyperbole to you because we are on the upper floors, and you are guessing that somebody will put it out before it gets up where you are. So you are looking at all the people scurrying around and the chaos below, and it looks like they are overreacting.
The fact is that this emergency has not impacted the lives of people in our socioeconomic strata does not make it less of an emergency. And if it’s heading our way. Whether or not it gets to us depends.

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1 hour ago, immamac said:

like how widespread it is and how many people it is actually having an impact on. 

If it undermines the rule of law and empowers the executive branch to act with impunity, that impacts about 340mm people in the US, and another ~7.6B less directly.  If it empowers the president to unilaterally imprison, deport and attaint, that’s a huge problem.
The number of deportations is more or less irrelevant to the magnitude of the threat.


 

 

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6 hours ago, Red Five said:

I don't know guys. Sending dudes to prison torture camps with life sentences on the basis solely of whether we like their tattoos or not seems, I don't know, just absolutely fucking evil. Real nazi shit. Rioting in the streets stuff. Impeachment. Etc. 

Oh well.

If they were real Nazis, they'd be putting tattoos on people who didn't have them already.  - Steve Miller or some guy on Fox, probably.  

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