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Del Valle Man run over, shot and killed by 12 & 13 year olds trying to recover stolen car

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Anthony Salas (20 years old) was killed trying to recover his sister’s stolen car in Del Valle earlier this month. He was run over and shot in the neck by the suspects who were juveniles, 12 and 13, charged with capital murder. These juveniles are suspected to be involved in dozens of break in across the Austin area.

I saw these kids breaking into cars when I was visiting my mother’s house in East Austin. I was tempted to say something to scare them off because they looked like scrawny little boys, but my Mom kept insisting we just go inside and call the cops. Her paranoia about “everyone having a gun” turned out to be right. I’m still in shock it was these punk kids and I can’t imagine how much the family is grieving. 

Donations have been kind of scarce and the family is having a hard time finding a place to have a fundraiser, so please donate to the GoFundMe if you can:

https://www.gofundme.com/f/justice-4-anthonymay-he-always-be-remembered

News video with Anthony’s mother:

https://www.fox7austin.com/news/mother-victim-killed-while-trying-recover-stolen-car-del-valle-speaks-out

1 hour ago, MrBig said:

juveniles, 12 and 13, charged with capital murder

I don't care what they did, I don't trust any government that thinks it has this power

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Just for clarification of OP’s fucktarded thread title which reads like the kids were trying to recover the stolen car, the kids in fact had stolen it and the 20 year was trying to get it back

30 minutes ago, chainsaw said:

I don't care what they did, I don't trust any government that thinks it has this power

Better than a posse?

34 minutes ago, Helobious said:

Just for clarification of OP’s fucktarded thread title which reads like the kids were trying to recover the stolen car, the kids in fact had stolen it and the 20 year was trying to get it back

I just figured you were the OP without even looking at the username. 

1 hour ago, chainsaw said:

I don't care what they did, I don't trust any government that thinks it has this power

What power are to talking about? 

Charging suspects with crimes?  Charging suspects with murder?  Elevating murder charges based upon specific circumstances, including committing murder while in commission of other felonies?

Or are you just talking about the possible sentences for a person convicted of capital murder including life w/o parole or death penalty.

2 minutes ago, Jerry Callo said:

What power are to talking about? 

Charging suspects with crimes?  Charging suspects with murder?  Elevating murder charges based upon specific circumstances, including committing murder while in commission of other felonies?

Or are you just talking about the possible sentences for a person convicted of capital murder including life w/o parole or death penalty.

I'm against the death penalty, and I'm against long sentences for crimes committed by minors.

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1 minute ago, chainsaw said:

I'm against the death penalty, and I'm against long sentences for crimes committed by minors.

They should at least have to take defensive driving.

1 hour ago, chainsaw said:

I don't care what they did, I don't trust any government that thinks it has this power

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30 minutes ago, HenryJames said:

They should at least have to take defensive driving.

Second - no murdering for 3 months. 

Juveniles can be charged with capital murder, but are not subject to the death penalty or life without parole.

SCOTUS said so in 2005.

13 minutes ago, Armybrat said:

Juveniles can be charged with capital murder, but are not subject to the death penalty or life without parole.

SCOTUS said so in 2005.

Fine.  Give them the option for parole in 2075...

“Not everybody’s the perfect person in the world. I mean everyone kills people, murders people, steals from you, steals from me, whatever." Terrelle Pryor paraphrasing Jesus Christ

1 hour ago, Brian Fantana said:

Is OP fucking AI, what a stupid thread title

The fucking savage also shows zero respect for the Oxford comma.

34 minutes ago, Beau Vine said:

The fucking savage also shows zero respect for the Oxford comma.

Who gives a fuck about an Oxford comma?

2 hours ago, chainsaw said:

I'm against the death penalty, and I'm against long sentences for crimes committed by minors.

What would you consider a "long sentence"?

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Just now, Sbbruin said:

What would you consider a "long sentence"?

The one in the thread title?

Just now, Sbbruin said:

What would you consider a "long sentence"?

10 years or longer

2 hours ago, chainsaw said:

I'm against the death penalty, and I'm against long sentences for crimes committed by minors.

I’m sorry. These guys killed a man - they should go away a long time. This isn’t the government ruining their lives, they did that themselves when they ended the other guys. 

7 minutes ago, ztejas said:

Who gives a fuck about an Oxford comma?

Oxford?

1 minute ago, Captain Ron said:

I’m sorry. These guys killed a man - they should go away a long time. This isn’t the government ruining their lives, they did that themselves when they ended the other guys. 

They will be disciplined, but they aren't fully grown adults yet. Why are we punishing them as if they were? Just because they are old enough to superficially understand some things doesn't mean they are old enough to truly understand things. Although they may know the difference between right and wrong, I don't believe that knowledge by itself is enough to justify a disproportionate exercise of government power against them. Knowledge without maturity is like cookie dough without an oven. We can't really hold them to the same standards as a mature adult.

3 minutes ago, chainsaw said:

They will be disciplined, but they aren't fully grown adults yet. Why are we punishing them as if they were? Just because they are old enough to superficially understand some things doesn't mean they are old enough to truly understand things. Although they may know the difference between right and wrong, I don't believe that knowledge by itself is enough to justify a disproportionate exercise of government power against them. Knowledge without maturity is like cookie dough without an oven. We can't really hold them to the same standards as a mature adult.

A, sorry, do the crime, do the time. 
 

B. Wrong

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12 minutes ago, chainsaw said:

10 years or longer

10 years would seem to be a pretty light sentence, even for a 12=13 yo.  They murdered a man in cold blood.  That has severe consequences at any age.  And as a parent, I recognize how immature that age really is.  

9 minutes ago, chainsaw said:

They will be disciplined, but they aren't fully grown adults yet. Why are we punishing them as if they were? Just because they are old enough to superficially understand some things doesn't mean they are old enough to truly understand things. Although they may know the difference between right and wrong, I don't believe that knowledge by itself is enough to justify a disproportionate exercise of government power against them. Knowledge without maturity is like cookie dough without an oven. We can't really hold them to the same standards as a mature adult.

Tough shit. 

5 minutes ago, Captain Ron said:

A, sorry, do the crime, do the time. 
 

B. Wrong

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I used to mow this shit when I was younger.  It was better than the cookies themselves.

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1 minute ago, Pato del Muerto said:

Same opinions if it was an 8 year old?

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3 hours ago, gsoda3 said:

Better than a posse?

Yeah, well posse is undefeated.

1 hour ago, ztejas said:

Who gives a fuck about an Oxford comma?

Fucking savages in this here chatroom...

1 hour ago, chainsaw said:

Knowledge without maturity is like cookie dough without an oven.

 

4 hours ago, gsoda3 said:

Better than a posse?

1 hour ago, dcbc said:

Yeah, well posse is undefeated.

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This has been going on awhile in Del Valle where kids steal trucks and just drive them til they run out of gas. My sisters boyfriend had his truck stolen and they found it out in Del Valle the next day abandoned cause he has a lock on the gas cap or some shit like that.

 

And everyone knows killing people is wrong at 12 years old, Jesus Christ man.

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7 hours ago, Helobious said:

Just for clarification of OP’s fucktarded thread title which reads like the kids were trying to recover the stolen car, the kids in fact had stolen it and the 20 year was trying to get it back

My thread title is shit. But not as shitty as those fucking kids who killed a man because they wanted to steal a car.  

I’ve been in contact with Anthony’s mother and I was just trying to post here to see if it could help with the fundraising efforts. My apologies for having shitty grammar on a thread title about a guy’s murder. 

And I’m not for the death penalty for juveniles, but these pieces of shit should go away for a long time. They have a rap sheet a mile long and the judge denied them monitored release from custody because they are still a huge risk to the community. 

4 hours ago, ztejas said:

Who gives a fuck about an Oxford comma?

Possibly one of the most offensive posts I've ever read on the board

4 hours ago, ztejas said:

Who gives a fuck about an Oxford, comma?

 

4 hours ago, chainsaw said:

They will be disciplined, but they aren't fully grown adults yet. Why are we punishing them as if they were?

Because they killed a fully grown man for no reason. 

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1 minute ago, Da Fino said:

Because they killed a fully grown man for no reason. 

Forget it, he’s retarded.  Just put him on ignore and move along.

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2 minutes ago, Fondren & Main said:

Forget it, he’s retarded.  Just put him on ignore and move along.

So we can’t really hold him to the same standards as a mature adult? Good. 

21 minutes ago, Fondren & Main said:

Forget it, he’s retarded.  Just put him on ignore and move along.

Wait - did anyone tell them that he’s in danger of being executed in Texas?

what is the real problem with a reform school environment until 18 and supervision until 22, all sealed as long as they grow up?

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8 hours ago, chainsaw said:

They will be disciplined, but they aren't fully grown adults yet. Why are we punishing them as if they were? Just because they are old enough to superficially understand some things doesn't mean they are old enough to truly understand things. Although they may know the difference between right and wrong, I don't believe that knowledge by itself is enough to justify a disproportionate exercise of government power against them. Knowledge without maturity is like cookie dough without an oven. We can't really hold them to the same standards as a mature adult.

Repped to offset the neg. 
 

People mature at differing speeds, so I see the value in both differentiating adults from juveniles, as well as evaluating juveniles as individuals. I have no sympathy for these teenage murderers, other than holding out hope our society will effort to rehabilitate fucked up juveniles. Wishful thinking.

 

3 hours ago, Da Fino said:

Because they killed a fully grown man for no reason. 

They thought they had a reason, which was to save their own skin. If you think that reason isn’t one our country sometimes accepts as justification, you haven’t been paying attention. Parse this statement all you want, but frame your rebuttal within the mindset of someone who is not yet an adult, as our laws insist we do.

Living in a country which twice elected a president who has bragged about his ability to kill someone for no reason, without consequence, has diminished my ability to share the moral outrage I read in this thread. 

2 hours ago, hayden_horn said:

what is the real problem with a reform school environment until 18 and supervision until 22, all sealed as long as they grow up?

There is no problem with that. Unfortunately, we only have that kind of situation on paper. The reality is different. Which is a problem because they will probably be out in 4 years without any reform or useful skills and fuck up again. And the same people on here will say the state shouldn’t punish these poor kids because they need a hug because WE failed them. 

9 minutes ago, Willfully Horn said:

Repped to offset the neg. 
 

People mature at differing speeds, so I see the value in both differentiating adults from juveniles, as well as evaluating juveniles as individuals. I have no sympathy for these teenage murderers, other than holding out hope our society will effort to rehabilitate fucked up juveniles. Wishful thinking.

 

They thought they had a reason, which was to save their own skin. If you think that reason isn’t one our country sometimes accepts as justification, you haven’t been paying attention. Parse this statement all you want, but frame your rebuttal within the mindset of someone who is not yet an adult, as our laws insist we do.

Living in a country which twice elected a president who has bragged about his ability to kill someone for no reason, without consequence, has diminished my ability to share the moral outrage I read in this thread. 

I knew better at 5 or 6 than to steal a car and shoot the owner. I don’t care who our idiots elect. Mature at your own speed. Me and mine know not to kill other humans. I’ve probably spent more time as a guest of the state than these idiots ever will. 

25 minutes ago, Da Fino said:

I knew better at 5 or 6 than to steal a car and shoot the owner. I don’t care who our idiots elect. Mature at your own speed. Me and mine know not to kill other humans. I’ve probably spent more time as a guest of the state than these idiots ever will. 

I, too, was brought up knowing killing people is wrong. Except in war. Or in self defense. Or, to protect others.

As I got older, I learned the law allows for killing someone who is stealing your patio furniture at night. Made what used to be cut and dried more nebulous. Again, what motivates my comments is a concern for our society. I know nothing about these teens other than they are, and will always be, murderers. 

Tell the victim's parents that the perps are still just learnin.

/rolleyes.

5 hours ago, hayden_horn said:

what is the real problem with a reform school environment until 18 and supervision until 22, all sealed as long as they grow up?

Sealed?   Lol no.  I wouldn’t want to work with these kids

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