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this thread is going just about how i thought it might.

On 5/29/2025 at 6:00 AM, Napoleon said:

So I’m going with The Killers, because I prefer to go to shows with females rather than just dudes.

Tell me you like Soulhat without telling me you like Soulhat.

On 5/29/2025 at 5:39 AM, G650 said:

How does this thread have 42 replies

Exactly. Neither the Killers or Foo Fighters are all that memorable.

1 minute ago, C-Man said:

Exactly. Neither the Killers or Foo Fighters are all that memorable.

I wouldn't say that.  I think "Everlong" and maybe "Monkeywrench" could eventually be thought of as Top 100 rock songs.  Obviously plenty would disagree.  I don't think The Killers have a song in that orbit.

Those aren't even top Foo Fighters songs.

I’m not commenting at all on complexity or musicianship because in this context I do not care, but I think that Mr Brightside and When We Were Young would easily fall into that discussion at the same tier as those Foo Fighters songs. If we’re talking about influence and cultural impact.

13 minutes ago, Celery Man said:

I’m not commenting at all on complexity or musicianship because in this context I do not care, but I think that Mr Brightside and When We Were Young would easily fall into that discussion at the same tier as those Foo Fighters songs. If we’re talking about influence and cultural impact.

 

I don't think I've even heard the second one of those.

5 minutes ago, G650 said:

 

I don't think I've even heard the second one of those.

Cause you’re gen x. It charted equivalently or higher than Monkeywrench.

3 minutes ago, Celery Man said:

Cause you’re gen x. It charted equivalently or higher than Monkeywrench.

Yeah I don't doubt you, I'm just not familiar with it. Mr. Brightside was everywhere, I still hear it. I also think while a fun song, Monkeywrench is kind of a blip of history relatively speaking.

I just actually looked up 2004 songs out of curiosity, Somebody Told Me was a really big song I remember. Slither also dropped from Velvet Revolver that year.

 

That whole era was a pretty big wasteland for me tbh. Social Distortion put out Somewhere Between Heaven and Hell in maybe '05? Audioslave seems about that time as well.

14 minutes ago, G650 said:

Yeah I don't doubt you, I'm just not familiar with it. Mr. Brightside was everywhere, I still hear it. I also think while a fun song, Monkeywrench is kind of a blip of history relatively speaking.

I just actually looked up 2004 songs out of curiosity, Somebody Told Me was a really big song I remember. Slither also dropped from Velvet Revolver that year.

 

That whole era was a pretty big wasteland for me tbh. Social Distortion put out Somewhere Between Heaven and Hell in maybe '05? Audioslave seems about that time as well.

Uh, try 1992.

Foo Fighters. I haven't been really crazy about anything The Killers have done since their opener. Sam's Town was ok. The Man is a good song.

21 minutes ago, G650 said:

Yeah I don't doubt you, I'm just not familiar with it. Mr. Brightside was everywhere, I still hear it. I also think while a fun song, Monkeywrench is kind of a blip of history relatively speaking.

I just actually looked up 2004 songs out of curiosity, Somebody Told Me was a really big song I remember. Slither also dropped from Velvet Revolver that year.

 

That whole era was a pretty big wasteland for me tbh. Social Distortion put out Somewhere Between Heaven and Hell in maybe '05? Audioslave seems about that time as well.

Ha that just awoke the memory that When We Were Young and Story of my Life were both on Guitar Hero III. Many a drunken party with both of those songs, littered with more and more guitar string plinking noises as the night wore on.

9 minutes ago, C-Man said:

Uh, try 1992.

Goddammit I meant Sex Love and Rock and Roll. Fuck

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7 hours ago, jimmyjazz said:

I wouldn't say that.  I think "Everlong" and maybe "Monkeywrench" could eventually be thought of as Top 100 rock songs.  Obviously plenty would disagree.  I don't think The Killers have a song in that orbit.

Mr. Brightside is by far the biggest song by either band. 

I don't know about that, Times Like These is probably the biggest song for either band

14 hours ago, G650 said:

Those aren't even top Foo Fighters songs.

Everlong isn’t a top Foo Fighters song?  You, sir, are mistaken. 

Foo Fighters if I had to pick. But I don't pay much attention to either band anymore. I was more into Foo at one point than I was ever into Killers. I have purchased like 3 or 4 Foo albums and 1 Killers album in my life. I liked Hot Fuss when it came out, and Mr. Brightside is one of my go-to Karaoke songs, but I couldn't have even named a second Killers album until I popped in here and was reminded about Sam's Town. Also Don't Shoot Me Santa is a great Christmas song.

17 hours ago, G650 said:

Yeah I don't doubt you, I'm just not familiar with it. Mr. Brightside was everywhere, I still hear it. I also think while a fun song, Monkeywrench is kind of a blip of history relatively speaking.

I just actually looked up 2004 songs out of curiosity, Somebody Told Me was a really big song I remember. Slither also dropped from Velvet Revolver that year.

 

That whole era was a pretty big wasteland for me tbh. Social Distortion put out Somewhere Between Heaven and Hell in maybe '05? Audioslave seems about that time as well.

I remember Summer of 2004 through The Killers and Modest Mouse. Float on and Somebody Told Me dominated alt rock radio. Pinback put out a great album that year, too.

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1 hour ago, CurlyDumps said:

Foo Fighters if I had to pick. But I don't pay much attention to either band anymore. I was more into Foo at one point than I was ever into Killers. I have purchased like 3 or 4 Foo albums and 1 Killers album in my life. I liked Hot Fuss when it came out, and Mr. Brightside is one of my go-to Karaoke songs, but I couldn't have even named a second Killers album until I popped in here and was reminded about Sam's Town. Also Don't Shoot Me Santa is a great Christmas song.

I remember Summer of 2004 through The Killers and Modest Mouse. Float on and Somebody Told Me dominated alt rock radio. Pinback put out a great album that year, too.

 

My drummer was a big Modest Mouse guy. Decidedly not my kind of music.

2 hours ago, G650 said:

My drummer was a big Modest Mouse guy. Decidedly not my kind of music.

I don't hate them, but I wouldn't go out of my way to see them.  Now, the indie lowish fi band I'm  not sure why I like (but I do) -- Built To Spill.

Interpol is better than both of them multiplied by 10.

Foo Fighters really only has one song I seek out, Down in the Park, is a cover.

Killers are more interesting than FF to me.  

Archers of Loaf mutherfuckers!!!

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12 minutes ago, Jerry Callo said:

My wife is a big fan of The Killers.   Also a big fan of Cher and Yanni.

Cher > Killers > Yanni

That Franz Ferdinand album was also summer ‘04. And American Idiot.

 

i totally get hating/not digging Modest Mouse, but Lonesome Crowded Wesr, Moon and Antarctica, and Good News are all more important to me than any album from the Killers or Foo Fighters.

 

summer 04 was also the… Rilo Kiley album with Portions for Foxes. I am excited about seeing Rilo Kiley this year.

On 5/31/2025 at 4:50 PM, Celery Man said:

That Franz Ferdinand album was also summer ‘04. And American Idiot.

 

i totally get hating/not digging Modest Mouse, but Lonesome Crowded Wesr, Moon and Antarctica, and Good News are all more important to me than any album from the Killers or Foo Fighters.

 

summer 04 was also the… Rilo Kiley album with Portions for Foxes. I am excited about seeing Rilo Kiley this year.

Same note too. I love Rilo Kiley.

And this music podcast I listened to last week mentions Moon and Antarctica, I definitely have to check that out.

 

The foo fighters are a legitimate candidate for the worst highly successful band ever.  

I enjoy a killers song when I randomly hear one.

Take it FWIW, but as a data point for who has the “biggest song” and more relevance to the current landscape, the Killers most played song on Spotify has over 1 billion more streams than the Foo’s. And over 6 million more monthly listeners. 
 

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Everlong > Mr Brightside  Also, I don't care.  Grohl was a legend, he shoulda kept it in his pants.  I've heard some other not nice things about him but IDK if those are true. 

 

I'm not sure why Modest Mouse is out here catching strays though.  

5 hours ago, locodos said:

I'm not sure why Modest Mouse is out here catching strays though

 

Because it's wuss music.

1 hour ago, G650 said:

 

Because it's wuss music.

says the guy who likes glam rock

9 hours ago, locodos said:

says the guy who likes glam rock

Do I? I'm not dismissing that notion out of hand but I don't believe so. Unless we are going back to like the New York Dolls, then yes.

3 hours ago, G650 said:

Do I? I'm not dismissing that notion out of hand but I don't believe so. Unless we are going back to like the New York Dolls, then yes.

asked and answered I guess.   I was thinking more GNR

What do you think about gnr's "glam era"? Do you think it helped or hurt  them in the long run? : r/GunsNRoses

20 hours ago, UncleSonny said:

Take it FWIW, but as a data point for who has the “biggest song” and more relevance to the current landscape, the Killers most played song on Spotify has over 1 billion more streams than the Foo’s. And over 6 million more monthly listeners. 
 

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Tame Impala for the win.

14 hours ago, Post Oak said:

My favorite Foo song is Wheels. 

I find it fascinating how people's tastes differ.  No judgment, but that is my least favorite Foos song by a long shot.

16 hours ago, G650 said:

 

Because it's wuss music.

Couldn't be further from the truth. You've heard more than "Float On" right?

54 minutes ago, C-Man said:

Couldn't be further from the truth. You've heard more than "Float On" right?

I mean, this is way off the thread topic, so I'm not getting but so far into this, but they are a part of that generational shift that happened in the late 90s to early 00s where popular music became limp and passive. It's a symptom of a culture which became professional victims that allowed events to happen to it, versus actively controlling them. There's a laundry list of bands of this ilk, Korn was the the first real big one that was arresting in their wimpiness, but it crossed myriad genres and styles.

54 minutes ago, C-Man said:

Couldn't be further from the truth. You've heard more than "Float On" right?

I bet Isaac is cool to hang out with.  He's a strange dude, but seems genuine. 

 

11 minutes ago, G650 said:

I mean, this is way off the thread topic, so I'm not getting but so far into this, but they are a part of that generational shift that happened in the late 90s to early 00s where popular music became limp and passive. It's a symptom of a culture which became professional victims that allowed events to happen to it, versus actively controlling them. There's a laundry list of bands of this ilk, Korn was the the first real big one that was arresting in their wimpiness, but it crossed myriad genres and styles.

I'm trying not to take the bait with the generational culture war part of this post, but taking your premise at face value, wouldn't Nirvana be the first big band that was "arresting in their wimpiness"? 

5 minutes ago, UncleSonny said:

I'm trying not to take the bait with the generational culture war part of this post, but taking your premise at face value, wouldn't Nirvana be the first big band that was "arresting in their wimpiness"? 

I mean, I don't really consider it generational. It was just prevailing culture for a period of time, I see generally a shift over the past 5 or 10 years, if not back to more aggression, at least less passivity. Probably more nihilism now than anything.

23 minutes ago, UncleSonny said:

I'm trying not to take the bait with the generational culture war part of this post, but taking your premise at face value, wouldn't Nirvana be the first big band that was "arresting in their wimpiness"? 

Tell me you never saw Nirvana live without telling me you never saw Nirvana live.

3 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said:

Tell me you never saw Nirvana live without telling me you never saw Nirvana live.

He's the one
Who likes all our pretty songs
And he likes to sing along
And he likes to shoot his gun
But he don't know what it means

You're right I didn't, I was like 7 when Kurt died. I've seen Modest Mouse live lots of times though and I wouldn't consider them limp, passive, or wimpy either. I'm not a Nirvana hater by any means, I was just using G650's framing.

It seems like he was identifying when popular rock bands started being more openly disaffected and vulnerable. If that shift did happen, it had to have started when Nirvana was the biggest band in the world in the early 90s, well before the time period he was identifying. 

 

2 minutes ago, UncleSonny said:

It seems like he was identifying when popular rock bands started being more openly disaffected and vulnerable. If that shift did happen, it had to have started when Nirvana was the biggest band in the world in the early 90s, well before the time period he was identifying. 

 

No, it's really just what I said. The passivity of letting things happen to you versus positive action of controlling events and your own mental/spiritual/whatever condition. As mentioned it was a a broader culture thing that found expression in music as well.

 

The most concise way I've found to express it is it's "oh poor me" vs. "Imma punch you in the fucking face".

I’m really not a lyrics guy and I haven’t spent a lot of time pondering what is meant by a guy with teeth like god’s shoeshine getting another orange Julius or whatever but at this point I’m curious - what about Modest Mouse makes them seem like passive victims? This would make sense to me if we were dissecting Bright Eyes, I don’t quite follow for Modest Mouse.

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