June 8Jun 8 7 minutes ago, troph said: I have nothing against you at all. So please don’t take this the wrong way. if she’s coming and going from Mexico to and from the US then y’all need to make plans for if she is detained / sent back. Who to call, how to inform you if you aren’t together. Make sure her phone is clean, etc etc. you really should be concerned. Hell I’m concerned for me and I am a white US citizen. I appreciate the advice, but both of us have been dealing with visas/consuls/paperwork/lawyers/CBP/border crossings/etc for 5 years. The idea that neither of us is aware of what's going on in the US right now is laughable. As I mentioned, she's here legally and is very careful about her behavior and social media. She hates politics and would never be involved in shit like this. Right now I'm a lot more worried about running into venomous snakes (likely) on our dog walks than I am about ICE and deportation (unlikely). The rest of you can continue with the histrionics.
June 8Jun 8 1 minute ago, rage-a-holic said: I appreciate the advice, but both of us have been dealing with visas/consuls/paperwork/lawyers/CBP/border crossings/etc for 5 years. The idea that neither of us is aware of what's going on in the US right now is laughable. As I mentioned, she's here legally and is very careful about her behavior and social media. She hates politics and would never be involved in shit like this. Right now I'm a lot more worried about running into venomous snakes (likely) on our dog walks than I am about ICE and deportation (unlikely). The rest of you can continue with the histrionics. There have been a few changes in the past six months that make your five years of experience completely meaningless.
June 8Jun 8 Boy, this shit sure knocked Elon saying Trump was in the Epstein files out of the national consciousness quickly. Terrible writing, leaving all these dangling storylines unresolved.
June 8Jun 8 There are two sides to every story and in the environment we live in today you will be fed the side of the story that enrages you and plays on your emotions.
June 8Jun 8 10 minutes ago, royiv said: There have been a few changes in the past six months that make your five years of experience completely meaningless. Oh for fucks sake. The last 5 years includes the past six months, which also includes the time she flew here from Mexico....last month. All the "BuT YoU dOnT KnOw WhAt'S HaPpEnInG RiGhT NoW!" posts are funny though
June 8Jun 8 Popular Post 1 minute ago, rage-a-holic said: Oh for fucks sake. The last 5 years includes the past six months, which also includes the time she flew here from Mexico....last month. All the "BuT YoU dOnT KnOw WhAt'S HaPpEnInG RiGhT NoW!" posts are funny though I’m not nearly as nice as troph is. I’ll laugh my ass of when she gets detained knowing that you voted for it.
June 8Jun 8 Speed Over Fairness: Deportation Under the Obama Administration https://www.aclu.org/news/immigrants-rights/speed-over-fairness-deportation-under-obama Real question, did we have riots and military/national guard engagement last time? Edited June 8Jun 8 by DaggerHorns Size
June 8Jun 8 6 minutes ago, Cody2422 said: There are two sides to every story and in the environment we live in today you will be fed the side of the story that enrages you and plays on your emotions. Umm what?
June 8Jun 8 2 minutes ago, royiv said: I’m not nearly as nice as troph is. I’ll laugh my ass of when she gets detained knowing that you voted for it. Good for you! And I was living in Mexico during the last election and didn't vote, but keep throwing out more horseshit assumptions
June 8Jun 8 Popular Post 9 minutes ago, Cody2422 said: There are two sides to every story and in the environment we live in today you will be fed the side of the story that enrages you and plays on your emotions. I'm always going to fall on the nonfascist side.
June 8Jun 8 4 minutes ago, rage-a-holic said: Good for you! And I was living in Mexico during the last election and didn't vote, but keep throwing out more horseshit assumptions Dude, we all know your politics.
June 8Jun 8 2 hours ago, Zepol87 said: After hurricanes and shit yea I agree with you. What is the point of deploying them here? I'm not saying they should or shouldn't be deployed. I just had an issue with the way that statement was phrased.
June 8Jun 8 4 hours ago, ztejas said: Yeah dude I don't think that's what the national guard is for. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kent_State_shootings Come on, dude.
June 8Jun 8 1 hour ago, TwiceHorn said: Well, remember, these are Trumpco's fanciful interpretations of the laws and constitution that considerably err on the side of executive power. And also recall that 1-2 months ago, in an interview, when asked directly if he was obligated to uphold the Constitution, he said: "I don't know." Never mind that oath of office stuff.
June 8Jun 8 56 minutes ago, atomheartbevo said: They can't deploy active-duty military in the manner he wants, so he has to go the National Guard route, something that many Presidents have done in the past. You know I don't like the guy, but there is a huge difference between the National Guard and regular US Army soldiers or US Marines. Is Trump trying to fuck around and see if he can get active duty troops deployed domestically and violate the Constitution? I have no doubt he would like to, but at the end of the day, if he could pull it off, he would have went straight to the regulars and not the National Guard. The last time the National Guard was federalized and deployed without the consent of a state’s governor was before you or I were born. So, yeah, this time it’s different.
June 8Jun 8 7 minutes ago, Brian Fantana said: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kent_State_shootings Come on, dude. Yeah man I know my history. When is the last time that an American civilian was killed by the national guard? Is it Kent State? Seems like a decent track record.
June 8Jun 8 2 minutes ago, ztejas said: Yeah man I know my history. When is the last time that an American civilian was killed by the national guard? Is it Kent State? Seems like a decent track record. Lol. During the BLM protests. Edited June 8Jun 8 by Brian Fantana
June 8Jun 8 I believe the last time the NG was federalized was during the '92 riots. Then here: On September 24, 1957, President Dwight D. Eisenhower federalized the entire Arkansas National Guard to ensure the safe entry of the Little Rock Nine to Little Rock Central High School the following day. Governor Orval Faubus had previously used members of the guard to deny the students entry to the school.[57][58]
June 8Jun 8 2 minutes ago, Rip76 said: I believe the last time the NG was federalized was during the '92 riots. Then here: On September 24, 1957, President Dwight D. Eisenhower federalized the entire Arkansas National Guard to ensure the safe entry of the Little Rock Nine to Little Rock Central High School the following day. Governor Orval Faubus had previously used members of the guard to deny the students entry to the school.[57][58] The 1990s was at the request of the CA governor at the time. The last time it happened without the consent of a governor was the 1960s.
June 8Jun 8 5 hours ago, Captainant said: The unit's name is "79th Infantry Combat Brigade". They are trained warriors. You send them places you want to kill people. There's a reason you separate military and the police. One fights the enemies of the state, the other serves and protects the people. When the military becomes both, then the enemies of the state tend to become the people The army is basically organized around the BCT, so any almost any time army units are deployed they will be elements of a BCT. That said, this is a clear provocation. The admin feels above water on immigration and knows that the military is popular. He wants to have the image of protesters fighting uniforms.
June 8Jun 8 Popular Post 5 minutes ago, ztejas said: Give us a source. On June 1, 2020, David McAtee, a 53-year-old African-American man, was fatally shot by the Kentucky Army National Guard in Louisvilleduring nationwide protests following the murder of George Floyd and the killing of Breonna Taylor.[2][3] Another below https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/oct/31/americans-killed-protests-political-unrest-acled Edited June 8Jun 8 by DaggerHorns Not sure about the 2nd link
June 8Jun 8 1 minute ago, DaggerHorns said: On June 1, 2020, David McAtee, a 53-year-old African-American man, was fatally shot by the Kentucky Army National Guard in Louisvilleduring nationwide protests following the murder of George Floyd and the killing of Breonna Taylor.[2][3] Another below https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/oct/31/americans-killed-protests-political-unrest-acled Thank you.
June 8Jun 8 1 hour ago, Sawbonz said: I'm always going to fall on the nonfascist side. Funny how the people who identify with the party not in office always claim the nonfascist side. I’ve been on this site for a long time and often ignore most everything that remotely resembles politics, but this falls into that category. The sooner everyone wakes up and realizes it’s all a fucking game to the republicans and democrats, congressmen and senators, governors to keep everyone in a frenzy, the better. Today, it’s trump deployed the national guard to put down rioting in Los Angeles, left reacts. Years ago, it was Biden arresting the insurgents at the capitol, right reacts. Think I’ve said this before, but this place is filled with some of the smartest dumb people I know -credit to bud kilmer
June 8Jun 8 Popular Post 1 minute ago, Cody2422 said: Years ago, it was Biden arresting the insurgents at the capitol, right reacts. What the fuck are you talking about?
June 8Jun 8 Just now, Cody2422 said: Funny how the people who identify with the party not in office always claim the nonfascist side. I’ve been on this site for a long time and often ignore most everything that remotely resembles politics, but this falls into that category. The sooner everyone wakes up and realizes it’s all a fucking game to the republicans and democrats, congressmen and senators, governors to keep everyone in a frenzy, the better. Today, it’s trump deployed the national guard to put down rioting in Los Angeles, left reacts. Years ago, it was Biden arresting the insurgents at the capitol, right reacts. Think I’ve said this before, but this place is filled with some of the smartest dumb people I know -credit to bud kilmer
June 8Jun 8 3 minutes ago, Cody2422 said: Funny how the people who identify with the party not in office always claim the nonfascist side. I’ve been on this site for a long time and often ignore most everything that remotely resembles politics, but this falls into that category. The sooner everyone wakes up and realizes it’s all a fucking game to the republicans and democrats, congressmen and senators, governors to keep everyone in a frenzy, the better. Today, it’s trump deployed the national guard to put down rioting in Los Angeles, left reacts. Years ago, it was Biden arresting the insurgents at the capitol, right reacts. Think I’ve said this before, but this place is filled with some of the smartest dumb people I know -credit to bud kilmer We also have some of the dumbest dumb people I know
June 8Jun 8 7 minutes ago, Cody2422 said: Funny how the people who identify with the party not in office always claim the nonfascist side. I’ve been on this site for a long time and often ignore most everything that remotely resembles politics, but this falls into that category. The sooner everyone wakes up and realizes it’s all a fucking game to the republicans and democrats, congressmen and senators, governors to keep everyone in a frenzy, the better. Today, it’s trump deployed the national guard to put down rioting in Los Angeles, left reacts. Years ago, it was Biden arresting the insurgents at the capitol, right reacts. Think I’ve said this before, but this place is filled with some of the smartest dumb people I know -credit to bud kilmer
June 8Jun 8 9 minutes ago, Cody2422 said: Funny how the people who identify with the party not in office always claim the nonfascist side. I’ve been on this site for a long time and often ignore most everything that remotely resembles politics, but this falls into that category. The sooner everyone wakes up and realizes it’s all a fucking game to the republicans and democrats, congressmen and senators, governors to keep everyone in a frenzy, the better. Today, it’s trump deployed the national guard to put down rioting in Los Angeles, left reacts. Years ago, it was Biden arresting the insurgents at the capitol, right reacts. Think I’ve said this before, but this place is filled with some of the smartest dumb people I know -credit to bud kilmer
June 8Jun 8 9 minutes ago, Sawbonz said: We also have some of the dumbest dumb people I know We have some people around here who should be whooping in their shit kickers and maroon fishing shirts
June 8Jun 8 Popular Post 3 hours ago, ztejas said: Yeah man I know my history. When is the last time that an American civilian was killed by the national guard? Is it Kent State? Seems like a decent track record. Look, I'm really not trying to dog on you, but having the US Military, be they active, reserve, or National Guard, kill or injure even one US citizen exercising their Constitutional rights is unacceptable. Kent State and the other instances are not "a decent track record". I say this as a US Marine, currently not in an active status. I know how I was trained and what my duty is. Harming US citizens exercising their rights is not part of that duty for me or anyone else in the military. Edited June 9Jun 9 by Scheiss Meister me, not my
June 8Jun 8 25 minutes ago, Cody2422 said: The sooner everyone wakes up and realizes it’s all a fucking game to the republicans and democrats, congressmen and senators, governors to keep everyone in a frenzy, the better. Yep
June 8Jun 8 Author Hat tip to Ted Lange for snipping this, reposting here: What we're seeing now is just the prologue
June 8Jun 8 22 minutes ago, Scheiss Meister said: Harming US citizens exercising their rights is not part of that duty for my or anyone else in the military. No shit that was the idea that I took offense to to begin with. Read the thread. Edited June 8Jun 8 by ztejas
June 8Jun 8 20 minutes ago, ztejas said: No shit that was the idea that I took offense to to begin with. Read the thread. Did you forget how to read full sentences? It specifically is for US citizens. That is 100% what the military is for. Killing the enemy.
June 8Jun 8 56 minutes ago, Cody2422 said: Funny how the people who identify with the party not in office always claim the nonfascist side. I’ve been on this site for a long time and often ignore most everything that remotely resembles politics, but this falls into that category. The sooner everyone wakes up and realizes it’s all a fucking game to the republicans and democrats, congressmen and senators, governors to keep everyone in a frenzy, the better. Today, it’s trump deployed the national guard to put down rioting in Los Angeles, left reacts. Years ago, it was Biden arresting the insurgents at the capitol, right reacts. Think I’ve said this before, but this place is filled with some of the smartest dumb people I know -credit to bud kilmer Both things can be true are the same time. Thay what Trump is doing is wrong and that it is a game to Republicans and Democrats. But I have to say those two incidents are not comparable. And I kind of get the logic of "nothing matters, don't react to anything you are only playing into their hands" but I don't know. Soulless nihilism just isn't for me. I have values, I have eyes and I have ears and I am going to see things and make judgements. Maybe the smart thing is to have no values and disbelieve everything I see and instead sit around in a nihilistic fog. But I need a little more convincing that is a good idea. I will say this, it sure seems like this protest was exactly what Trump wanted to trigger just so he could do this. He remembers the summer of 2020. It's probably bad that these people fell for the trap. But the correct way to respond eludes me. Simply talking about the bad things Trump does doesn’t seem to produce good results either.
June 8Jun 8 2 minutes ago, immamac said: Did you forget how to read full sentences? It specifically is for US citizens. That is 100% what the military is for. Killing the enemy. Okay well I guess we'll see how many people they gun down in the streets of Los Angeles.
June 8Jun 8 Just now, ztejas said: Okay well I guess we'll see how many people they gun down in the streets of Los Angeles. There is a non zero chance that this occurs. That alone should be alarming
June 8Jun 8 Just now, SubliminalHorn said: There is a non zero chance that this occurs. That alone should be alarming Eh I'm not alarmed. I have enough on my plate to deal with already. Y'all are welcome to keep freaking out about it though.
June 8Jun 8 Popular Post 5 minutes ago, ztejas said: Eh I'm not alarmed. I have enough on my plate to deal with already. Y'all are welcome to keep freaking out about it though. Yes everyone has a lot on their plate, you’re not that special
June 8Jun 8 4 minutes ago, Luka said: Yes. All of 40 people were detained and set to be deported. And that erupts into protests? Sketchy. Somebody wants chaos. https://abcnews.go.com/US/protests-erupt-immigration-raids-los-angeles/story?id=122604723 My understanding is these people were reporting for routine immigration appointments and were then detained. Their friends and family got upset and that led to the protests. That is not particularly sketchy or illogical. But there probably is more to it. For sure this probably plays into Trump's hands. He was pretty eager to call in the troops.
June 8Jun 8 7 minutes ago, ztejas said: Eh I'm not alarmed. I have enough on my plate to deal with already. Y'all are welcome to keep freaking out about it though. Yeah no worries. Every week there is another disaster in this country.
June 8Jun 8 7 minutes ago, ztejas said: Eh I'm not alarmed. I have enough on my plate to deal with already. Y'all are welcome to keep freaking out about it though.
June 8Jun 8 Popular Post 1 hour ago, Cody2422 said: Funny how the people who identify with the party not in office always claim the nonfascist side. I’ve been on this site for a long time and often ignore most everything that remotely resembles politics, but this falls into that category. The sooner everyone wakes up and realizes it’s all a fucking game to the republicans and democrats, congressmen and senators, governors to keep everyone in a frenzy, the better. Today, it’s trump deployed the national guard to put down rioting in Los Angeles, left reacts. Years ago, it was Biden arresting the insurgents at the capitol, right reacts. Think I’ve said this before, but this place is filled with some of the smartest dumb people I know -credit to bud kilmer These protests, and the Floyd protests, are not even remotely comparable to the Capitol invasion on January 6. Let me know when these protestors break into a government building, during working hours, and while the occupants of the building are engaged in an important, if mostly ceremonial, quasi-legislative session. Arresting, trying, and convicting lawbreakers is what "Biden" did, more accurately, those in his administration tasked to do those things on a daily basis. All lawbreaking protestors should be treated similarly. What Biden never did was mobilize a military force against American citizens. Sure, it's "just the national guard," but read what Trump writes. He truly wants the US military to crack down on civilians within the territorial United States. He verily wants Delta Force and Seal Team 6 to be unleashed on protestors. He won't get that, most likely, so he'll settle for the 76th BCT. How soon you forget that this is a man who asked his second Sec Def if the military couldn't just "shoot em in the legs or something"? This is a guy that wants to push the boundaries of his power in the most foolish and juvenile ways possible.
June 8Jun 8 Popular Post 1 minute ago, hobbes2702 said: Cracks me up when people say they’ve just got too much going on by golly to care. Have the balls to say you just don’t care about it because it doesn’t affect you and you have privilege to be able to say that. Drop the pretense and laughable excuse of “having too much on my plate”. Give me a fucking break
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