June 12Jun 12 1 hour ago, Basil said: Bobby the Pilot, how hard is it to enter a takeoff roll with flaps retracted on a modern passenger jet? I would think they'd engineer that to be really hard to do. Same question when retracting flaps immediately after takeoff. Isn't there a "yeah, might want to think twice" warning if you order flap retraction at a speed, altitude and configuration that would likely result in a stall? Depends on the plane. The Airbus give you a configuration warning if the flaps are not in takeoff configuration or if they’re not in a configuration matching the flight management computer. It doesn’t not, however, care if that is the incorrect flap setting for the takeoff as long as it’s in one of the valid positions and matches the computer data. Similarly, short of triggering the alpha lock I mentioned earlier it doesn’t care if you select the wrong level of flap retraction either. Boeing might be the same. Edited June 12Jun 12 by Bobby_Batronic
June 12Jun 12 fwiw, the survivor stated that there was a "loud noise" that preceded the crash. Quote “Thirty seconds after takeoff, there was a loud noise and then the plane crashed,” he told the Times from his hospital bed. “It all happened so quickly."
June 12Jun 12 A sudden loud noise doesn't really jive with the consistent descent we saw before crash, imo.
June 12Jun 12 3 minutes ago, SydneyCarton said: A sudden loud noise doesn't really jive with the consistent descent we saw before crash, imo. Edited June 12Jun 12 by bolverk jibe
June 12Jun 12 5 minutes ago, sidis said: fwiw, the survivor stated that there was a "loud noise" that preceded the crash. Considering that the poor dude just stumbled away from a fiery plane crash in which 200+ other people died (including his brother who was sitting in the next seat), and he's laying in a hospital bed physical pain and shock...I'd say not a whole lot.
June 12Jun 12 3 hours ago, chainsaw said: jesus they really just plopped a runway in the middle of a densely developed area Have you seen Reagan airport? It like literally a block or two from the Pentagon and civilization all around it. Edited June 12Jun 12 by 'stache
June 12Jun 12 40 minutes ago, HenryJames said: Have we ruled out DEI? I went to Twitter for the first time in a long time, and one of the first posts from some dumb woman was that exact question. probably a Russian bot. There is also a video circulating that a guy on the plane two hours earlier showed that nothing electronic on the flight was working. AC, entertainment system, attendant lights, etc
June 12Jun 12 24 minutes ago, 'stache said: I'm gonna need some more confirmation on the survivor. That was a big ass fire ball.
June 12Jun 12 25 minutes ago, 'stache said: Have you seen Reagan airport? It like literally a block or two from the Pentagon and civilization all around it. yeah but at least there's a terminal and roads separating the runway from the development. And the Potomac
June 12Jun 12 1 hour ago, sidis said: i just don't understand how an inadvertent flap retraction occurs unless a bug in the electronics causes it in an automated way or unless the pilot is severely drunk. The controls in a 787-8 cockpit are pretty fucking clear. They are also shaped like the things they control, but it happens
June 12Jun 12 Popular Post 3 hours ago, HiggyBaby said: Freaking wolf Blitzer was quick to jump on the Boeing whistleblower…🙄. Not sure why I bother with CNN in any capacity, but that’s the only news channel in my hotel this week.
June 13Jun 13 Popular Post The fact that some people even briefly entertained thoughts that the lone survivor managed to do so by jumping to safety from an airborne 787 had me checking whether or not I had somehow been transported to texags. good lord.
June 13Jun 13 6 minutes ago, Blotto said: The fact that some people even briefly entertained thoughts that the lone survivor managed to do so by jumping to safety from an airborne 787 had me checking whether or not I had somehow been transported to texags. good lord. He upgraded to the ejection seat.
June 13Jun 13 1 hour ago, Blotto said: The fact that some people even briefly entertained thoughts that the lone survivor managed to do so by jumping to safety from an airborne 787 had me checking whether or not I had somehow been transported to texags. good lord. More likely than aggy ever winning a title
June 13Jun 13 5 hours ago, chainsaw said: yeah but at least there's a terminal and roads separating the runway from the development. And the Potomac
June 13Jun 13 1 hour ago, royiv said: He upgraded to the ejection seat. Every seat on that flight was potentially upgraded to an ejection seat for free.
June 13Jun 13 2 hours ago, Blotto said: The fact that some people even briefly entertained thoughts that the lone survivor managed to do so by jumping to safety from an airborne 787 had me checking whether or not I had somehow been transported to texags. good lord. My God .. That's Jason Bourne
June 13Jun 13 50 minutes ago, Blotto said: Was just about to post that - I, unfortunately, fly too much through MDW - a few years ago had to sit on the runway burning off fuel because the main (long) runway was out of service. They really need a couple of catapults and some catch wires to make that place safer.
June 13Jun 13 Sign me up for catapult launches and arrested landings in commercial airliners. Sounds like a fun time.
June 13Jun 13 2 hours ago, Blotto said: The fact that some people even briefly entertained thoughts that the lone survivor managed to do so by jumping to safety from an airborne 787 had me checking whether or not I had somehow been transported to texags. good lord. I was skeptical but the NYT reported on the survivor. Absolutely stunning that someone lived. He should play the fucking powerball.
June 13Jun 13 Just now, 'stache said: I was skeptical but the NYT reported on the survivor. Absolutely stunning that someone lived. He should play the fucking powerball. Why? He already used up all his luck.
June 13Jun 13 2 minutes ago, Hate said: Why? He already used up all his luck. and now there's some final destination shit coming for him
June 13Jun 13 welp ... Shortly before the fatal crash of Air India flight AI171 in Ahmedabad, two British nationals waiting to board the plane were seen joking and smiling in what would become their final video. In a story posted to their wellness page, Wellness Foundry, founders Jamie Ray Meek and Fiongal Greenlaw-Meek appeared in good spirits as they waited to board their flight. Fiongal ended the clip saying, “Going back happly happily, happily calm,” in a tone that was upbeat and cheerful. https://x.com/aviationbrk/status/1933174528185598160?s=46&t=cH-LvFrUDSIxqTdoyXUTxg
June 13Jun 13 16 hours ago, Gatorubet said: I've had it with these motherfucking RATs on this motherfucking plane!
June 13Jun 13 Watched a video of a guy who was on the plane the flight before. There was all kinds of things broken. A/C, in flight entertainment, call button. I heard India is supposed to be very tough on maintenance and security since the 80's but it sounds like this plane wasn't getting any.
June 13Jun 13 More likely a human error cause than a latent defect in the aircraft. Though you can't rule out some bizarre combination of events that line up to cause both engines to shut down.
June 13Jun 13 Crew oxygen cylinders are under the flight deck, any crew-initiated logbook items were likely related to low fill, which is only a problem in the event of cabin depressurization above 10,000 ft. I’ll eat my hat if this was in any way related to crew O2. Not saying maintenance wasn’t an issue here, but this feels like media grasping at straws.
June 13Jun 13 32 minutes ago, CycleTex87 said: More likely a human error cause than a latent defect in the aircraft. Though you can't rule out some bizarre combination of events that line up to cause both engines to shut down. Some of our 787 pilots have suggested that the altitude window controlling the flight directors might have been accidentally been set close to field elevation not unlike the Emirates 777 that buzzed Dubai at 50 feet and 300 knots. There’s a fleet bulletin out about this issue. Basically, the aircraft will settle at the selected altitude (at or just above field elevation) and selected speed (V2..single engine safety speed) with the engines retarding to maintain speed and altitude and kinda mush back in if the engine response isn’t quick enough.
June 13Jun 13 51 minutes ago, Bobby_Batronic said: Some of our 787 pilots have suggested that the altitude window controlling the flight directors might have been accidentally been set close to field elevation not unlike the Emirates 777 that buzzed Dubai at 50 feet and 300 knots. There’s a fleet bulletin out about this issue. Basically, the aircraft will settle at the selected altitude (at or just above field elevation) and selected speed (V2..single engine safety speed) with the engines retarding to maintain speed and altitude and kinda mush back in if the engine response isn’t quick enough. Does that explain leaving the gear down?
June 13Jun 13 52 minutes ago, Bobby_Batronic said: Some of our 787 pilots have suggested that the altitude window controlling the flight directors might have been accidentally been set close to field elevation not unlike the Emirates 777 that buzzed Dubai at 50 feet and 300 knots. There’s a fleet bulletin out about this issue. Basically, the aircraft will settle at the selected altitude (at or just above field elevation) and selected speed (V2..single engine safety speed) with the engines retarding to maintain speed and altitude and kinda mush back in if the engine response isn’t quick enough. Just now, ClubWhatever said: Does that explain leaving the gear down? If you squint hard enough, I can see the rumored extreme failure of maintenance instigating the loss of power during the takeoff, which deploys the RAT and doesn't leave enough hydraulic power to raise the gear. No idea on the flaps being up though
June 13Jun 13 34 minutes ago, ClubWhatever said: Does that explain leaving the gear down? It could if the startle factor precluded their raising the gear as the plane leveled off and power reduced drastically. Or EGPWS procedures could have made that a non factor. Gear and flaps generally stay in the selected position for that and Windshear escape procedures until out of the situation. 32 minutes ago, Captainant said: If you squint hard enough, I can see the rumored extreme failure of maintenance instigating the loss of power during the takeoff, which deploys the RAT and doesn't leave enough hydraulic power to raise the gear. No idea on the flaps being up though That’s my problem with that theory. It’s hard to see the RAT. It appears to be down, but it’s not hard to hear it, and it sounds like it’s deployed as the plane flies past.
June 13Jun 13 2 hours ago, RPM said: Watched a video of a guy who was on the plane the flight before. There was all kinds of things broken. A/C, in flight entertainment, call button. I heard India is supposed to be very tough on maintenance and security since the 80's but it sounds like this plane wasn't getting any. There's no way a large company would be able to bribe safety regulators into looking the other way. Not in India!
June 13Jun 13 1 hour ago, ClubWhatever said: Does that explain leaving the gear down? It was 40c, they’d normally leave them down to 2000 to cool off. But in the video you can see they are in the forward position so stopped closing when the engines lost power.
June 13Jun 13 53 minutes ago, tx 3 putt said: I believe the gear lever is pretty far above the flap lever on the the 787. That would be a really egregious error - way worse than the one a couple of years ago on the ATR.
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