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Dallas officer kills man after mistaking apartment for her own, police say

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1 minute ago, Constant said:

If I sat around answering these unfunny, low-hanging fruit jokes all day, I’d have no time for anything else. You want to be an adult and ask me an adult question, go ahead. Keeping in mind I can’t talk about specifics with this incident. 

That very well could be an adult question. That’s the current perception of your profession by many. Congrats. 

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It may yet, but it hasn't.  No one from DPD, DPS/Rangers, or the Dallas County DA has breathed a word about Botham Jean.
Oh it's coming. The media usually jumps on it first. Can't wait for what else turns up in his apartment. Maybe some AK47s.
1 hour ago, ocugolf said:

Why is he having weed in his apartment even a headline? 

Because a prime tenet of a "vigorous defense" is to slander the murder victim until the shooter looks like he/she might have done the world a favor.  Disgusting.  

1 minute ago, C-Man said:

Wait, constant is DPD?

Yes, sir. 

5 minutes ago, C-Man said:

Wait, constant is DPD?

Where you been, mang.

I always like Constant's perspective.  This shouldn't be a dog pile, though we go there a lot.  Hell forbid let's learn and talk what do you say.

Oh that's fine but if he goes blue wall on this he's going to get a lot of much deserved shit. What I want to know is how do other officers view this tragedy? As just an unfortunate accident? A byproduct of being overworked? An unjustifiable shooting where she should lose both her badge and her freedom to some extent?

So what I'm understanding is there is 1 possibly 2 apartments open near downtown?

And I'll throw in the caveat that Constant doesn't have to answer my questions as we all know online isn't totally anonymous and I'd rather he not get in any hot water if the questions are something he shouldn't be answering. 

1 minute ago, mdmost said:

And I'll throw in the caveat that Constant doesn't have to answer my questions as we all know online isn't totally anonymous and I'd rather he not get in any hot water if the questions are something he shouldn't be answering. 

That is essentially what it boils down to. Social media policies keep from commenting on ongoing investigations and what not. I’ll answer general questions and stuff, but this world that we live in where information is demanded and spread so quickly and with no regard to accuracy is a thorn in my side. I hate social media. 

Where you been, mang.


Was that uncovered on this thread or has that been known?
3 minutes ago, C-Man said:

 


Was that uncovered on this thread or has that been known?

 

It has been known. I lost three friends on July 7th, and had another almost killed back in April. I’ve posted about it multiple times. 



Was that uncovered on this thread or has that been known?
It's been known for years. He has an open invite for anyone who wants to ride with him. He's also a sooner.
It has been known. I lost three friends on July 7th, and had another almost killed back in April. I’ve posted about it multiple times. 

It’s known, and I appreciate Constant’s presence and willingness to talk with us honestly.
5 minutes ago, gsoda3 said:
10 minutes ago, C-Man said:


Was that uncovered on this thread or has that been known?

It's been known for years. He has an open invite for anyone who wants to ride with him. He's also a sooner.

An invitation that still stands.

Open and shut case Johnson. Apparently this n-word broke in and hung up pictures of his family everywhere. Well, let's sprinkle some weed on him and get out of here.

3 hours ago, rantanamo said:

across the room.   ...

You saw evidence of this released, or just one of the various reports claiming it to be so?  There have been several different claims, but I haven't seen any report than included documented proof.

So why didn't they search her apartment? Why is his relevant but hers irrelevant.

The noise complaint detail is huge imo. I read through the last 200 posts rather quickly and was trying to find a link to a news source about it. Could anyone kindly drop that here again?

Was she hearing the noise that night or it had been a problem in the past?  

If she comes out as gay or trans will that change everyone's perspective? Need my cheat sheet, but today does (Gay + Woman) > Black?

So why didn't they search her apartment? Why is his relevant but hers irrelevant.

 

His apartment was/is the crime scene. But does bring up a good question that has been asked on here a few times.

5 minutes ago, Chewbacca said:

So why didn't they search her apartment? Why is his relevant but hers irrelevant.

To search a premises you have to have probable cause that a crime was committed (ok, check), and explain to a judge what evidence you expect to find on the searched premises and how that evidence is relevant.  Lawdogs tend to lump both of those into "probable cause."

So, it isn't super-clear at this point why you get to toss her apartment.  The state does not get to go fishing in citizens' homes just because they might find something relevant.

His was a crime scene.

It has been known. I lost three friends on July 7th, and had another almost killed back in April. I’ve posted about it multiple times. 


Yeah, I remember that now. Shit, sorry.
 
His apartment was/is the crime scene. But does bring up a good question that has been asked on here a few times.
I get that the crime scene was part of it. Why was the weed found in his apartment relevant again?
The noise complaint detail is huge imo. I read through the last 200 posts rather quickly and was trying to find a link to a news source about it. Could anyone kindly drop that here again?


I keep hearing about the noise complaint being the same day. I’d say that’s a huge red flag. But has that come from a reputable source?
To search a premises you have to have probable cause that a crime was committed (ok, check), and explain to a judge what evidence you expect to find on the searched premises and how that evidence is relevant.  Lawdogs tend to lump both of those into "probable cause."
So, it isn't super-clear at this point why you get to toss her apartment.  The state does not get to go fishing in citizens' homes just because they might find something relevant.
His was a crime scene.
So why was the weed relevant again?

Also, it’s common practice to obtain a search warrant for the crime scene technicians when the crime scene is a private residence. They have different search and seizure procedures. 

12 minutes ago, BlueGreySky said:

The noise complaint detail is huge imo. I read through the last 200 posts rather quickly and was trying to find a link to a news source about it. Could anyone kindly drop that here again?

https://www.surlyhorns.com/board/index.php?/topic/4439-dallas-officer-kills-man-after-mistaking-apartment-for-her-own-police-say/&do=findComment&comment=501420

 

3 minutes ago, Chewbacca said:
7 minutes ago, bigup2dahorns said:
 
His apartment was/is the crime scene. But does bring up a good question that has been asked on here a few times.

I get that the crime scene was part of it. Why was the weed found in his apartment relevant again?

It isn't relevant, it was seized because possession of it is illegal.  Apparently it was also in plain view, so a warrant for the premises is good for anything in plain view.

What is a bit curious is that the warrant specifically mentioned narcotics and paraphernalia.  He may have tested positive for it.

Edited by TwiceHorn

If there was a noise complaint that day, or in the past, surely there would be records of that somewhere.  Those can be verified, if they exist.

It isn't relevant, it was seized because possession of it is illegal.
Oh, fuck off. Dude was murdered in his own home and it's being leaked that he had weed. Why?
If there was a noise complaint that day, or in the past, surely there would be records of that somewhere.  Those can be verified, if they exist.
Property management company has that.
Oh, fuck off. Dude was murdered in his own home and it's being leaked that he had weed. Why?
Can't edit, but I'm not mad at you. Just pissed because i see where this is heading.
Just now, TwiceHorn said:

It isn't relevant, it was seized because possession of it is illegal.

And why exactly was his laptop seized?   It wasn't illegal.

Unless it they think it had a webcam that was recording at the time, what reason could they possibly have to take it?    Looking for mails would be a fishing expedition, would it not?  

 

9 minutes ago, Chewbacca said:
10 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:
It isn't relevant, it was seized because possession of it is illegal.

Oh, fuck off. Dude was murdered in his own home and it's being leaked that he had weed. Why?

Ok, sorry, apology accepted.

If a cop executing a search warrant comes across illegal material in plain view, it's going to be seized,  Period.  Machine gun, pot, heroin, you name it.

The only reason this information has been reported is that it appeared in the search warrant affidavit, which I posted earlier and in the search warrant "return," which is a document similar to a receipt stating that the search has been carried out and itemizing the materials seized, whether pursuant to the warrant, because they were in open view, or because they were "contraband."  The press got hold of those documents, and reported their contents.

Edited by TwiceHorn

16 minutes ago, 0xdeadbeef said:

And why exactly was his laptop seized?   It wasn't illegal.

Unless it they think it had a webcam that was recording at the time, what reason could they possibly have to take it?    Looking for mails would be a fishing expedition, would it not?  

 

Now that is a good question.  This article lists the following:

The inventory return yielded:
2 fired cartridge casings
1 laptop computer
1 black backpack with police equipment and paperwork
1 insulated lunch box
1 black ballistic vest with "police" markings
10.4 grams of marijuana in ziplock bags
1 metal marijuana grinder
2 RFID keys
2 used packages of medical aid

It is entirely possible that the laptop isn't his, but hers.  In the event, specific items need not be listed or their relevance described if they are found in plain view.  If the cops are going to have to dig around to find it, it has to be itemized and relevance explained.

That article also states that several warrants have not been unsealed.  So maybe her joint is getting tossed.

Also, since the deceased is not a defendant and the evidence seized will not ever be used in a proceeding against him, there isn't anyone with standing to legally protest a faulty warrant or illegally seized evidence.

Edited by TwiceHorn

51 minutes ago, Constant said:

An invitation that still stands.

Ok I'm in, but u will have to come over here and get me.  I'm drunker than 3 men, and one of those men is me

Seems like I read earlier that they wanted Jean's iPhone and laptop to see if there was any evidence that he was expecting somebody and left the door ajar.

23 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

Now that is a good question.  This article lists the following:

The inventory return yielded:
...
1 laptop computer
...

It is entirely possible that the laptop isn't his, but hers. 

...

 

I hadn't thought about it possibly being hers; in this context that would seem to make more sense.  I don't know why a cop working a 15 hour shift would take their computer to work, but who knows.   

3 minutes ago, 0xdeadbeef said:

I hadn't thought about it possibly being hers; in this context that would seem to make more sense.  I don't know why a cop working a 15 hour shift would take their computer to work, but who knows.   

I dunno either.  I just saw it listed by her backpack and it occurred to me that maybe it was hers.  A fair number of people tote their laptop around everywhere.

Hell, the dope could be hers, too.

I'm a bit curious why a crime scene team wasn't sent in immediately after the incident.  Maybe it was, but they only cataloged and photographed and didn't remove anything.

Edited by TwiceHorn

TwiceHorn take some fucking ambien

Not sure what to think about a noise complaint.  One would have to be exceptionally crazy to shoot someone over a loud stereo if that's what's being implied.  Maybe a bit more likely if there is a history of bad blood between the two based on recurring disputes over noise but I'm sure that'll come out if such a problem exists.  

My money is still on her being just a dumbass, but who knows.  Evil asshole is still in the realm of possibility.

She may want to be careful about indicating she had been up to his apartment before to complain about the noise.  

Wonder if any of the Cowboys will take a knee after this incident. Fuck Jerry Jones.

Apartment Resident 1 - "I heard the lady cop in the building shot a neighbor"

Apartment Resident 2 - "Botham?"

Apartment Resident 1 - "No, just the black guy"

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