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Dallas officer kills man after mistaking apartment for her own, police say

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1 hour ago, Ghost of LL said:

The bastard shouldn't have cheated on her with that slut from Lee Harvey's.

Still the best bar name in the Western Hemisphere 

5 minutes ago, Steel Shank said:

^ A reasonable next step instead of to start shooting/asking questions later.

Thinking like that is why you'll never be a hero. 

12 minutes ago, LurkingHorn said:

According to the AP, police chief says the department is seeking a warrant for manslaughter. 

Saw this on twitter. Warrant for manslaughter and the Texas Rangers are going to do the investigation

Just a few weeks ago, I heard somebody put a key in my door and try to enter.  Door was locked, so no dice.  I looked through the peep hole and saw some chick who lives in my building walking away with her dog.  She probably lives in the same unit right above me.

It happens.  But pulling out a gun and putting a cap in someone's ass who is in the right apartment is so far out in left field that we are missing a lot of stuff, that hopefully comes out.

11 minutes ago, Gene Parmesan said:

I'll go with drunk.

I'm putting my chips on 'drunk with power' 

Yeah, drunk and at the wrong door. He hears her and speaks thru the door, she starts yelling "open up" and draws gun still convinced she's at her own place. Etc...

35 minutes ago, Jive Turkey said:

Just a few weeks ago, I heard somebody put a key in my door and try to enter.  Door was locked, so no dice.  I looked through the peep hole and saw some chick who lives in my building walking away with her dog.  She probably lives in the same unit right above me.

It happens.  But pulling out a gun and putting a cap in someone's ass who is in the right apartment is so far out in left field that we are missing a lot of stuff, that hopefully comes out.

I guess I can see that.  A lot of those apartment complex, the units are completely the same and I can see someone tired forgetting if they walked up 2 or three flights.  Doesn't excuse a "trained" officer thinking that shooting first is your best option.

It much have been a bad feeling when she walked in and saw someone else's furniture and realized she was in the wrong apartment.  Obvious he felt worse about it than she did.   

Edited by Lhorn

No point in speculating at this point, so totally unrelated q...

Think any police force in the country permits officers to drink in uniform? Just seems like a no-no.

Is it allowed off-base in the military?

46 minutes ago, Zepol87 said:

Saw this on twitter. Warrant for manslaughter and the Texas Rangers are going to do the investigation

Both items were in the article posted on the 1st page, but no one on page 2 bothered to read it.

10 minutes ago, Brew said:

Both items were in the article posted on the 1st page, but no one on page 2 bothered to read it.

You know those online stories get updated when new information comes available throughout the day, right?

Little known fact, it's totally ok to shoot someone if you're really "tired" after a long day of "work"

7 minutes ago, TornACL said:

Little known fact, it's totally ok to shoot someone if you're really "tired" after a long day of "work"

I have a lot of shooting to catch up on, then. 

36 minutes ago, Lhorn said:

Doesn't excuse a "trained" officer thinking that shooting first is your best option.

You must not understand the training.

1 hour ago, Cheeseweasel said:

Y'all are missing the most important point. The (soon to be released) news that this guy was a drug dealer/had unpaid parking tickets/beats his dog/worked at Subway.

Time for the full-on character assault spin.

good shoot

50 minutes ago, woohorn said:

No point in speculating at this point, so totally unrelated q...

Think any police force in the country permits officers to drink in uniform? Just seems like a no-no.

Is it allowed off-base in the military?

Depended on the port of call. Sometimes they wanted us to be inconspicuous, other times in dress whites/blues. Nothing prettier than a shit load of shit faced sailors staggering back to the ship in dress whites after an evening of debauchery. Missing hats, ties, bloody knees... stupidest thing I ever saw was sending a bunch of 20 somethings into a town dressed that way.

25 minutes ago, El Diablo said:

Depended on the port of call. Sometimes they wanted us to be inconspicuous, other times in dress whites/blues. Nothing prettier than a shit load of shit faced sailors staggering back to the ship in dress whites after an evening of debauchery. Missing hats, ties, bloody knees... stupidest thing I ever saw was sending a bunch of 20 somethings into a town dressed that way.

huh. i thought it was usually the sailors getting the BJs. 

huh. i thought it was usually the sailors getting the BJs. 
You must not understand the training.

A more believable explanation would be that dude hears someone trying to break into his place, he grabs his weapon* and angrily confronts/threatens supposed burglar.

 

* weapon currently being planted

It's not her fault. All those apartment doors look alike. They should devise some method of identifying which is which. Perhaps a system where numbers and letters are on the door.

I used to live in a big complex.  I've tried to go in the wrong apartment a couple of times.  Even when hammered, if the key didn't work, my first reaction was to look at the apartment number and see if I''m at the right door.  
You mean you didn't bang on the door to get someone to open up and then murder them?
1 hour ago, TornACL said:

Little known fact, it's totally ok to shoot someone if you're really "tired" after a long day of "work"

This is funny.

8 hours ago, Deej said:

Guy should not have made furtive movements in his own apartment.

Second day in a row that your avatar checks out.  

41 minutes ago, RPM said:

It's not her fault. All those apartment doors look alike. They should devise some method of identifying which is which. Perhaps a system where numbers and letters are on the door.

Or having different keys open different doors. 

3 hours ago, conVINCEd said:

I used to live in a big complex.  I've tried to go in the wrong apartment a couple of times.  Even when hammered, if the key didn't work, my first reaction was to look at the apartment number and see if I''m at the right door.  

In fairness, you're probably not female. 

1 hour ago, TornACL said:

Little known fact, it's totally ok to shoot someone if you're really "tired" after a long day of "work"

And are still dressed in your uniform. That's apparently relevant somehow. 

Females should never be allowed to carry a firearm....or drive for that matter.

1 hour ago, elfenix said:

huh. i thought it was usually the sailors getting the BJs. 

Beachhead. Beach head. Whatever.

https://www.dallasnews.com/news/crime/2018/09/06/shooting-reported-cedars-near-dallas-police-headquarters

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Police intend to seek a manslaughter charge against a Dallas officer who shot and killed a 26-year-old man Thursday night when she entered his apartment near downtown, apparently mistaking it for her own.

"This is a very unique situation," Police Chief U. Renee Hall said at an afternoon news conference. "We have ceased handling it under our normal protocol as an officer-involved shooting."

Hall said that police are obtaining a warrant charging the officer, whom the chief declined to name until she is formally charged.

The chief said the officer's blood was drawn to test for alcohol and drugs, and the Texas Rangers have been called in to conduct an independent investigation...

 

Mitchell said that after the officer reported Jean was wounded, other police officers who responded administered first aid to him. He was taken to Baylor University Medical Center, where he was pronounced dead...

 

...It was unclear how the officer got into the wrong apartment, where residents said they can access their units with a regular key or through a keypad code.

Police didn't indicate that anyone else had witnessed the shooting, but two women who live on the second floor near where the shooting happened said they heard a lot of noise late Thursday.

"It was, like, police talk: 'Open up! Open up!'" 20-year-old Caitlin Simpson said.

Yazmine Hernandez, 20, was studying with Simpson when they heard the commotion.

"We heard cops yelling," she said, "but otherwise had no idea what was going on...."

 

https://www.wfmynews2.com/article/news/dallas-chief-charges-coming-for-officer-who-fatally-shot-man-in-his-own-home/287-591760228

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The officer who is a five year veteran, according to sources was going home after a 12- hour shift when she walked into the wrong apartment and shot the man inside.

The officer was in full uniform when the shooting happened just after 10 p.m. Thursday....

 

What time did her 12-hour shift end?

Edited by clapclapclap
BTW, that damn Dallas Morning News website jams in a million unstoppable video commercials.

10 minutes ago, LongestHorn said:

Is it legal to carry a gun in Texas while drinking alcohol?

Required, dude.  This is Texas.  What, are you some kinda pussy communist?

How the Fuck wasn’t she interviewed after the crime?

2 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

Required, dude.  This is Texas.  What, are you some kinda pussy communist?

What the fuck am I supposed to kill the dove with? Beer cans?

Exhibit #9197475 why you never get anywhere near the cops. Dont call, speak or go anywhere near them. Odds of being murdered go up exponentially when in the presence of them. Especially if you are a minority.

The apartment complex is at fault for leasing to minorities, if they knew cops lived there. It was just a matter of time.

4 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

Required, dude.  This is Texas.  What, are you some kinda pussy communist?

my bad.  I forgot about Cheney shooting.

I saw a movie one time where this female corrections officer was letting pretty much the entire incarcerated population bang her, sometimes more than one at a time.  So at the end of her shift she was like completely exhausted. So I'm wondering if maybe something similar happened here.....you know, with the guys in jail there in Dallas doing, you know, the banging.

 

Just a thought..

5 minutes ago, Steel Shank said:

I saw a movie one time where this female corrections officer was letting pretty much the entire incarcerated population bang her, sometimes more than one at a time.  So at the end of her shift she was like completely exhausted. So I'm wondering if maybe something similar happened here.....you know, with the guys in jail there in Dallas doing, you know, the banging.

 

Just a thought..

Sounds like a documentary.  Very academic and scientific.

10 hours ago, FondrenRoad said:

The article also makes a point of saying she was still in full uniform. She will skate completely free. Dallas taxpayers will be picking up the bill in the civil trial.

Eh, not so sure about that.  Dallas has a black police chief and a black DA, both of whom are sensitive to "community issues."  And a Dallas County jury just convicted a cop of murder. 

That's going to depend on the facts, though.

Moreover, since she was off duty, I don't see how the City gets tagged with anything in a civil suit.

6 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

Eh, not so sure about that.  Dallas has a black police chief and a black DA, both of whom are sensitive to "community issues."  And a Dallas County jury just convicted a cop of murder. 

That's going to depend on the facts, though.

Moreover, since she was off duty, I don't see how the City gets tagged with anything in a civil suit.

Well, all LEOs in Texas become "on duty" the instant they see a crime being committed.  Seriously, that's the law -- or at least it used to be. It's intended to protect cops - "I was acting as an officer of the law, and therefore I have immunity."

If she identified or otherwise acted as an officer, that may be a fact question.

Oh, and I'm betting heavy money on either 1) she was sleeping with the dude, or 2) she was seriously shithammered, or the exacta -- BOTH.

3 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

Eh, not so sure about that.  Dallas has a black police chief and a black DA, both of whom are sensitive to "community issues."  And a Dallas County jury just convicted a cop of murder. 

That's going to depend on the facts, though.

Moreover, since she was off duty, I don't see how the City gets tagged with anything in a civil suit.

Maybe. She was in uniform and shot him with her service weapon while believing he was committing a crime.  

Had she witnessed an actual crime, say in the hallway, and intervened, she would not be considered off duty for her actions during intervention or arrest. She would have been considered back on duty and would have clocked her time afterward. 

The really sad thing is that had she accidentally walked into a white guy's apartment, its likely that no death would have occurred. 

6 minutes ago, FondrenRoad said:

Maybe. She was in uniform and shot him with her service weapon while believing he was committing a crime.  

Had she witnessed an actual crime, say in the hallway, and intervened, she would not be considered off duty for her actions during intervention or arrest. She would have been considered back on duty and would have clocked her time afterward. 

The really sad thing is that had she accidentally walked into a white guy's apartment, its likely that no death would have occurred. 

She apparently will be charged with manslaughter.  https://www.star-telegram.com/news/local/community/dallas/article218001020.html

 

And, even if she was "under color of law," a Monell claim is going to be very hard to make.  I don't really see the City eating much of this.

 

Edited by TwiceHorn

Also, in the course of scanning for this, I did discover something that answered a question I have posed here and at the old place, which is, notwithstanding qualified immunity and the lack of respondeat superior in civil rights claims, do municipalities have/provide insurance coverage to cops.  And the answer, in Texas, seems to be yes, via the Texas Municipal League.  https://www.tmlirp.org/newsletters/mm-09-13.pdf

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