September 10, 20187 yr 12 minutes ago, thestud said: I’m no lawyer, but I thought they usually charge you with the most immediately easy to prove and then work on building a stronger case for more serious charges. Or something like that They usually try to hit you with the most serious charge, then use that as leverage in negotiations. The facts here support murder. A Dallas city councilman tweeted that they tried to get a manslaughter warrant from a Dallas judge (unclear as to whether municipal or county), but the judge wouldn't sign for that charge; the judge said that the offense was murder. I'm wondering if the Rangers didn't judge shop to Mesquite or Seagoville, and that's why she ended up in the Kaufman County jail.
September 10, 20187 yr Any word as to whether she lived there alone or had a roommate? That *might* explain the banging on the door saying "Open up!" as a witness reported -- if her key wasn't working in the door. And she was shit-hammered. And etc, etc, etc.
September 10, 20187 yr 1 minute ago, C-Man said: Any word as to whether she lived there alone or had a roommate? That *might* explain the banging on the door saying "Open up!" as a witness reported -- if her key wasn't working in the door. And she was shit-hammered. And etc, etc, etc. I've read that the key didn't work and the victim came to the door, and I've read it was unlocked and she walked in. Has one of these been verified yet?
September 10, 20187 yr 4 minutes ago, Gene Parmesan said: I've read that the key didn't work and the victim came to the door, and I've read it was unlocked and she walked in. Has one of these been verified yet? DMN reporting the door was unlocked. I hadn't seen that before. Quote The door was unlocked and the lights were out, according to the official. Guyger opened the door and saw a figure in the darkness. She fired at him twice, the official said, thinking he was a burglar. https://www.dallasnews.com/news/crime/2018/09/10/watch-family-botham-jean-discusses-charge-dallas-officer-killed
September 10, 20187 yr 46 minutes ago, C-Man said: Any word as to whether she lived there alone or had a roommate? That *might* explain the banging on the door saying "Open up!" as a witness reported -- if her key wasn't working in the door. And she was shit-hammered. And etc, etc, etc. His neighbor that shares a wall and new him says she didn't hear a commotion or loud yelling. Obviously heard the two gun shots. And I live in an apartment and my door is unlocked about ninety percent of the time while I'm at home, never really crosses my mind. Edited September 10, 20187 yr by AbeFroman
September 10, 20187 yr I've said this many times, but I think it really rings true here Police are walking basket cases - in a war between them and us. They are anxiety ridden to a point that I am genuinely fearful of their flight or flight response. This situation to me is a wound up cop having her fight or flight triggered in a second and she flips out and start shooting. This is a serious mental health problem. Our policeman are walking around half mad. RIP. terrible fucking story Edited September 10, 20187 yr by staboner
September 10, 20187 yr 1 hour ago, El Diablo said: I could probably give her 2-20 (minutes). 1 hour ago, El Diablo said: I could probably give her 2-20 (minutes). IN A ROW???
September 10, 20187 yr 2 hours ago, 'stache said: Well then that's bullshit. She deserves way more than 20 years for this. Never in a million years would a jury give her anywhere near 20 years to do.
September 10, 20187 yr 12 minutes ago, staboner said: I've said this many times, but I think it really rings true here Police are walking basket cases - in a war between them and us. They are anxiety ridden to a point that I am genuinely fearful of their flight or flight response. This situation to me is a wound up cop having her fight or flight triggered in a second and she flips out and start shooting. This is a serious mental health problem. Our policeman are walking around half mad. RIP. terrible fucking story Amen to that. Shit. I also don't know if being involved in another office-related shooting matters in this case or she just got unlucky but she does seem awful quick on the trigger. His front door being unlocked is very interesting to me. I certainly don't see that it absolves her in this instance but I can very easily see how it might've gone down at this point.
September 10, 20187 yr 2 hours ago, Red Six said: They usually try to hit you with the most serious charge, then use that as leverage in negotiations. The facts here support murder. A Dallas city councilman tweeted that they tried to get a manslaughter warrant from a Dallas judge (unclear as to whether municipal or county), but the judge wouldn't sign for that charge; the judge said that the offense was murder. I'm wondering if the Rangers didn't judge shop to Mesquite or Seagoville, and that's why she ended up in the Kaufman County jail. It is a murder for the reasons I stated above, a specific intent to cause his death with a mistaken belief of the justification of self defense. Once there is a warrant she can turn herself in anywhere. She chose the Kaufman county jail.
September 10, 20187 yr Seems to me that it should be murder, based on the reported facts. Even if it had been her apartment, and an unarmed black dude was inside, there's no way that instantly shooting him from the hallway was a reasonable response. She intended to kill him, and has no valid or minimizing justification for it.
September 10, 20187 yr Quote The official, who spoke to the Dallas Morning News on condition of anonymity, said Officer Amber Guyger had just ended a 15-hour shift when she parked on the fourth level of the South Side Flats garage Thursday night. She normally parked on the third level. The officials said Guyger, a four-year veteran of the force, then went to the door she thought was hers but was one floor too high. Guyger didn’t notice that Jean's door had a red doormat, the official said told the Morning News. Guyger put her key in the unlocked door and it opened, the official said. The official said Guyger told investigators she entered the dark apartment, saw someone inside and thought it was a burglary. Guyger said she pulled her gun and fired twice, the officials said. Failing to notice the red doormat is a figurtive red flag literally at her feet.
September 10, 20187 yr Has anyone else noticed that supposedly she shot twice at close range, and hit the guy once? "That's some fine police work, Lou."
September 10, 20187 yr 1 minute ago, miguelito said: Has anyone else noticed that supposedly she shot twice at close range, and hit the guy once? "That's some fine police work, Lou." When are we going to learn about the next door neighbor who was shot with bullet #2?
September 10, 20187 yr She parked on the 4th floor, thinking it was the 3rd floor, will be her story. Does her parking garage not have the floor clearly posted when she walked from her car to the building? She just didn't notice that either?
September 10, 20187 yr 5 minutes ago, LongestHorn said: She parked on the 4th floor, thinking it was the 3rd floor, will be her story. Does her parking garage not have the floor clearly posted when she walked from her car to the building? She just didn't notice that either? Texting and walking seems to be as dangerous as texting and driving...
September 10, 20187 yr 17 minutes ago, Mojo Hand said: Seems to me that it should be murder, based on the reported facts. Even if it had been her apartment, and an unarmed black dude was inside, there's no way that instantly shooting him from the hallway was a reasonable response. She intended to kill him, and has no valid or minimizing justification for it. I think we all know if it had happened to be her apartment, and someone else was in there, there's not a jury in Texas that would convict her. Doubt she would have ever even faced charges.
September 10, 20187 yr Wouldn't she just be castle doctrined had it been her apartment? Agree on the murder charges, she obviously intended to kill him even if the circumstances that led her to that point were pure accidents.
September 10, 20187 yr 27 minutes ago, miguelito said: Has anyone else noticed that supposedly she shot twice at close range, and hit the guy once? "That's some fine police work, Lou." The stats on close quarters gun-fights with handguns are remarkable to some.....adrenaline plays a huge factor. Average number of hits is usually around 25%-40% even within 10 yards. Statistics vary but more shots miss than hit. Normally it is a 3-3-3 rule - 3 shots / 3 seconds / 3 yards is the average for an officer involved shooting. The fact that she killed him firing only 2 shots is actually more surprising than the fact that one shot missed.
September 10, 20187 yr top right quadrant, what's going on in those two pictures where she's in uniform?
September 10, 20187 yr 1 minute ago, gsoda3 said: top right quadrant, what's going on in those two pictures where she's in uniform? Yeah is that pics of the incident or just random photos? Seems incredibly random for a collage.
September 10, 20187 yr Another element of this story that’s hard to believe - The victim is in his apartment in total darkness? Unlocked door, lights off, wandering around?
September 10, 20187 yr 6 minutes ago, SameSame said: Man Ric Ocasek looks terrible Holy shit. I wish I could rep you twice.
September 10, 20187 yr 1 hour ago, LongestHorn said: She parked on the 4th floor, thinking it was the 3rd floor, will be her story. Does her parking garage not have the floor clearly posted when she walked from her car to the building? She just didn't notice that either? Dude, she was fucking tired from working ALL DAY. For more than one day in a row!
September 10, 20187 yr 7 minutes ago, Auto Driller said: Another element of this story that’s hard to believe - The victim is in his apartment in total darkness? Unlocked door, lights off, wandering around? It was 10pm. Maybe he was asleep?
September 10, 20187 yr 14 minutes ago, gsoda3 said: top right quadrant, what's going on in those two pictures where she's in uniform? I saw something on twitter that those pictures are from her walking in the hallway making the 911 call.
September 10, 20187 yr The video of her after the shooting has been posted several times. She just paces while EMS rushes in. Doesn't even attempt any sort of help.
September 10, 20187 yr 27 minutes ago, Reagan1k said: The stats on close quarters gun-fights with handguns are remarkable to some.....adrenaline plays a huge factor. Average number of hits is usually around 25%-40% even within 10 yards. .. You meant 10 feet, right? At 10 yards (30 feet), missing 75% shots with a pistol would not be surprising at all.
September 10, 20187 yr 34 minutes ago, Ghost of LL said: Well, these pictures aren't an ideal look for her defense team. Homeboy in the bottom right is doing the white power “ok” sign, right? Looks like his left arm is all tatted up.
September 10, 20187 yr 38 minutes ago, Reagan1k said: The stats on close quarters gun-fights with handguns are remarkable to some.....adrenaline plays a huge factor. Average number of hits is usually around 25%-40% even within 10 yards. Statistics vary but more shots miss than hit. Normally it is a 3-3-3 rule - 3 shots / 3 seconds / 3 yards is the average for an officer involved shooting. The fact that she killed him firing only 2 shots is actually more surprising than the fact that one shot missed. My uncle was an ATF agent on the border. He told a tale of one of his colleagues getting into a gunfight with a suspect around a gas station pump island. Distances of less than 10 feet. Both guys emptied their weapons without hitting the other. Agent was able to reload, bad guy surrendered. But trained agent, unloaded a mag and couldn't hit suspect at 10 feet. To be fair, he was getting shot at and simultaneously shitting his pants. The point is, when you're in the thick of it, you ain't exactly a deadeye.
September 10, 20187 yr Just now, Jive Turkey said: Homeboy in the bottom right is doing the white power “ok” sign, right? Looks like his left arm is all tatted up. Is that really a thing? I thought 4-chan created that bs.
September 10, 20187 yr 11 minutes ago, bernorange said: You meant 10 feet, right? At 10 yards (30 feet), missing 75% shots with a pistol would not be surprising at all. If she had squared him up with center mass hits on both shots I'd be more inclined to think intentional. It's a bit anecdotal but sometimes the best gauge as to whether an office was truly in fear for their life in a shooting is the hit ratio. Show me a 1-5 shoot vs a 5-5 shoot and I'll show you the difference between fear and aggression -
September 10, 20187 yr 2 minutes ago, Cheeseweasel said: Is that really a thing? I thought 4-chan created that bs. My understanding is that 4-chan created it as bullshit, but it may have (I emphasize "may") have since become a thing.
September 10, 20187 yr 22 minutes ago, Auto Driller said: Another element of this story that’s hard to believe - The victim is in his apartment in total darkness? Unlocked door, lights off, wandering around? He was from St. Lucia, probably grew up never locking doors. Guy gets awaken from the noise and sleepily walks into trigger happy cops gunfire.
September 10, 20187 yr 7 minutes ago, Jive Turkey said: Homeboy in the bottom right is doing the white power “ok” sign, right? Looks like his left arm is all tatted up. Looks to me like he's making "p.d.," as in police department, though I've never heard of such a handsign before.
September 10, 20187 yr 31 minutes ago, Auto Driller said: Another element of this story that’s hard to believe - The victim is in his apartment in total darkness? Unlocked door, lights off, wandering around? "Go away,! 'Batin'!"
September 10, 20187 yr 50 minutes ago, Ghost of LL said: Well, these pictures aren't an ideal look for her defense team. Top left. The bar is really low to make the police academy. Looks like a aggy home game.
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