October 1, 20196 yr 2 minutes ago, Deej said: So, what does he have to do with? If that's their belief system, so be it. Really not about your feelings. Everyone's puking their feelings all over this thread, including you.
October 1, 20196 yr 3 hours ago, Brisketexan said: As for what my gut told me a jury would do with the pot-smoking black guy who got shot by a cop....forgive me if I don't think too highly of the fine white folk of North Texas. Pay no mind to the fact that one of 'em just went through the effort to drive all the way to El Paso to murder some brown people. Cool. I guess if I can lay 20 something dead bodies at the feet of immigrants you'll be in the Cloak Room shrieking MAGA BUILD THE WALL!
October 1, 20196 yr 27 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said: Did the family really thank God? That makes me a little queasy. Incidentally, although Botham Jean seemed to be a fine example of a Christian, his school, Harding University, is what this place would consider an asshole factory on the level of Baylor or Liberty. I consider it something of an asshole factory myself, and I'm a leading Apologist on this site. Hmmm...I’m not sure what Harding has done on the order of Baylor or Liberty, or what “assholes” it has produced.
October 1, 20196 yr 13 minutes ago, Junior Miller said: I'm not saying a LEO can't carry a concealed gun on their own time. Just that they can't carry their police issued firearm while off duty. If they want to carry a concealed weapon then they need to take all the same steps a normal non felon citizen takes to do so. Get the same permit. While on duty you only carry approved and issued police gear and only wear approved and issued uniforms / clothing. While off-duty you're not allowed to wear any issued uniform or firearm. Part of reforming this problem is to make clear to these people that they are not cops. They're regular citizens who are hired to be cops only while on duty. It's only a job and not who they are. I don’t think you understand. Most firearms that LEO’s carry aren’t police issued. They are personally purchased firearms, approved by the department. It’s one of the only ways they actually save money
October 1, 20196 yr Just now, TwiceHorn said: Everyone's puking their feelings all over this thread, including you. Says the guy who is puking his feelings about his family's choice of words all over this thread.
October 1, 20196 yr Just now, formermav43 said: Hmmm...I’m not sure what Harding has done on the order of Baylor or Liberty, or what “assholes” it has produced. It's low profile, but it's quite fundamentalist evangelical.
October 1, 20196 yr Just now, Continental Op said: Cool. I guess if I can lay 20 something dead bodies at the feet of immigrants you'll be in the Cloak Room shrieking MAGA BUILD THE WALL! No. I'll be saying "prosecute everyone who murders somebody." Which, you know, is like, my whole point here. I don't want to ban cops - I want murdering cops to face fair prosecution. I don't want to ban immigrants -- I want murdering immigrants to face fair prosecution. I don't want to ban racist white people - I want murdering racist white people to face fair prosecution. See where I'm going with this? And....if you somehow think that cops haven't had an incredible amount of carte blanche over our history when it comes to killing a minority....there's not much point in continuing this conversation.
October 1, 20196 yr 3 minutes ago, Trey3216 said: I don’t think you understand. Most firearms that LEO’s carry aren’t police issued. They are personally purchased firearms, approved by the department. It’s one of the only ways they actually save money. I know that. I'm saying as part of the reform that needs to be done away with. Everything needs to be regulated and controlled because the power these people wield while wearing that uniform and carrying that gun is so ridiculously high. Edited October 1, 20196 yr by Junior Miller
October 1, 20196 yr 3 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said: It's low profile, but it's quite fundamentalist evangelical. I’m familiar with Harding. I’m less clear that YOU are given that you’re lumping it in with schools that have countenanced some pretty heinous crimes. And, incidentally, calling a school associated with churches of Christ “fundamentalist evangelical” is problematic for both theological and historical reasons. Edited October 1, 20196 yr by formermav43
October 1, 20196 yr 1 minute ago, Brisketexan said: No. I'll be saying "prosecute everyone who murders somebody." Which, you know, is like, my whole point here. I don't want to ban cops - I want murdering cops to face fair prosecution. I don't want to ban immigrants -- I want murdering immigrants to face fair prosecution. I don't want to ban racist white people - I want murdering racist white people to face fair prosecution. See where I'm going with this? And....if you somehow think that cops haven't had an incredible amount of carte blanche over our history when it comes to killing a minority....there's not much point in continuing this conversation. I think we all believe in that, and that 98% of people agree with that.
October 1, 20196 yr 820 am. Used to be a pretty good country station then switched to Rush Limbaugh and friends.Yep, it was a great station back in the day.
October 1, 20196 yr 1 minute ago, Brisketexan said: No. I'll be saying "prosecute everyone who murders somebody." Which, you know, is like, my whole point here. I don't want to ban cops - I want murdering cops to face fair prosecution. I don't want to ban immigrants -- I want murdering immigrants to face fair prosecution. I don't want to ban racist white people - I want murdering racist white people to face fair prosecution. See where I'm going with this? And....if you somehow think that cops haven't had an incredible amount of carte blanche over our history when it comes to killing a minority....there's not much point in continuing this conversation. Well yeah. I think pretty much everybody would agree with that. You went further and used one fucking nut job to make the point of "I DON'T TRUST WHITEY IN NORTH TEXAS."
October 1, 20196 yr 4 minutes ago, formermav43 said: I’m familiar with Harding. I’m less clear that YOU are given that you’re lumping it in with schools that have countenanced some pretty heinous crimes. And, incidentally, calling a school associated with churches of Christ “fundamentalist evangelical” is problematic for both theological and historical reasons. We are more or less on the same side, here. While it hasn't committed rape atrocities like Baylor, Baylor was considered pretty much an asshole factory before that by the Christian haters on this site. Harding falls well within what normally gets shat upon here, regardless of the true applicability of terms like "fundamentalist" and "evangelical." Edited October 1, 20196 yr by TwiceHorn
October 1, 20196 yr 1 minute ago, Continental Op said: You went further and used one fucking nut job to make the point of "I DON'T TRUST WHITEY IN NORTH TEXAS." Based on the history of Texas, and I'm including even recent history.....in a trial of a white cop charged with shooting a black man.....is it reasonable to presume that the white cop is going to be treated more favorably by a Texas jury than a typical murder defendant? Come on, man....we're not exactly going out on a limb here.
October 1, 20196 yr 1 minute ago, TwiceHorn said: We are more or less on the same side, here. While it hasn't committed rape atrocities like Baylor, Baylor was considered pretty much an asshole factory before that by the Christian haters on this site. Harding falls well within what normally gets shat upon here. I’ll buy that explanation.
October 1, 20196 yr 2 minutes ago, Junior Miller said: I know that. I'm saying as part of the reform that needs to be done away with. Everything needs to be regulated and controlled because the power these people wield while wearing that uniform and carrying that gun is so ridiculously high. Everything? Ok. Everything is already regulated. And controlled. And it’s becoming evident that they can’t do whatever they want anymore. But good luck trying to tell someone that a firearm they purchased, which is used for their occupation, isn’t allowed to come home with them when the other citizens of their state are also allowed to carry their firearm with them, legally. And legally licensed handgun owners aren’t committing crimes like this because they’re more concerned for their availability of carrying than their necessity of using them.
October 1, 20196 yr 3 minutes ago, formermav43 said: I’ll buy that explanation. While even this place doesn't usually exhibit that kind of bad taste, I was kind of wondering if it would ever come up. And I thought it interesting that some on this thread were complimenting Jean's character, when he comes from a fairly "hardshell" Christian tradition. Always seems like black churches from a denomination get something of a pass from the religion haters, and it's also true that black churches often seem to defuse the parts of their denomination's message that many find offensive. Edited October 1, 20196 yr by TwiceHorn
October 1, 20196 yr 2 hours ago, hopkinsnhorns said: "hopkinsnhorns, can you explain why there was an abundance of transexual pornographic images in your group text message?" "My friends are sick, sick fucks." Sorry, SouthAustins mom has had a hard time letting go
October 1, 20196 yr 9 minutes ago, Trey3216 said: Everything? Ok. Everything is already regulated. And controlled. And it’s becoming evident that they can’t do whatever they want anymore. But good luck trying to tell someone that a firearm they purchased, which is used for their occupation, isn’t allowed to come home with them when the other citizens of their state are also allowed to carry their firearm with them, legally. And legally licensed handgun owners aren’t committing crimes like this because they’re more concerned for their availability of carrying than their necessity of using them. I didn't say any of that. I said any firearm they use for their occupation shouldn't be allowed to be one they purchased. It should be state/federal issue only. Any gun they purchase can only be used/carried by them off duty if they get the same required permits and pass the same classes as everyone else. It's no different in my company. I dont allow my employees to use their own PCs for work on my servers. They are only allowed to use computers I issue and closely monitor and regulate because the risk of contamination is too high and consequences too damaging. I don't know why you are having a hard time understanding this.
October 1, 20196 yr 8 minutes ago, bigup2dahorns said: She's either a moron or or she's so reasonable she's way ahead of us.
October 2, 20196 yr 1 hour ago, Vic Mackey said: Walking into someone else's home while they are minding their own business and pulling out your gun and intending to kill them (admitting to it, too) seems pretty heinous to me. Fuck that murdering, trigger happy piece of shit. This has been eating at me. The idea her defense council and honestly herself didnt pick up on the framing of that question and answer. "Did you intend to kill?" No sir, I was stopping the threat. It probably would not have mattered anyways but I was told by the LEO that taught my chl class that you never admit to intent to kill. You adamantly state you wanted to stop the threat. The connotation is naturally less aggressive than kill and allows for interpretation that maybe they would live. I could not believe she answered the way she did. Poor prep or just dumbasses. Doesnt matter the jury got this right.
October 2, 20196 yr good. sad story all the way around. here's to hoping a guilty verdict, and more like it, will trend police departments and police unions to understand they are accountable for their actions, and thus lowering these instances to begin with duh said everyone.
October 2, 20196 yr 1 minute ago, HOOKEM4 said: This has been eating at me. The idea her defense council and honestly herself didnt pick up on the framing of that question and answer. "Did you intend to kill?" No sir, I was stopping the threat. It probably would not have mattered anyways but I was told by the LEO that taught my chl class that you never admit to intent to kill. You adamantly state you wanted to stop the threat. The connotation is naturally less aggressive than kill and allows for interpretation that maybe they would live. I could not believe she answered the way she did. Poor prep or just dumbasses. Doesnt matter the jury got this right. I'm fairly sure that the defense decided long ago that trying to wordsmith around the fact that she shot to kill or do serious bodily harm (the requisite intent) would not have gone over well with the jury. The defense always was the reasonableness of her actions leading up to the intentional act.
October 2, 20196 yr 11 minutes ago, Junior Miller said: I didn't say any of that. I said any firearm they use for their occupation shouldn't be allowed to be one they purchased. It should be state/federal issue only. Any gun they purchase can only be used/carried by them off duty if they get the same required permits and pass the same classes as everyone else. It's no different in my company. I dont allow my employees to use their own PCs for work on my servers. They are only allowed to use computers I issue and closely monitor and regulate because the risk of contamination is too high and consequences too damaging. I don't know why you are having a hard time understanding this. Gotcha. Thing is, it’s a way departments save money. All the firearms have to be approved. It’s not like they’re carrying around Tec-9’s. These would be standard issue weapons, but they are purchased by the LEO rather than the department. Was just clarifying.
October 2, 20196 yr There is no way any cop should use the terms she used. Every cop should be trying to end a threat. Obviously we all know that means kill, I am just confounded they would have that admission so plain in open court. Edited October 2, 20196 yr by HOOKEM4
October 2, 20196 yr 2 hours ago, Skipper said: I don't even know what WBAP is. Sounds like that's a good thing. Very old and strong am radio station out of Dallas. So old it’s before the W/K designations so it’s one of the few western stations with a W. On a nice night, that signal can reach a long way. Some of you guys should dial in 820 and see if you can get it.
October 2, 20196 yr Legal Experts Warn Amber Guyger Verdict Could Set Dangerous Precedent Of Police Officers Not Being Allowed To Shoot Anyone They Want Edited October 2, 20196 yr by Newdoc
October 2, 20196 yr 1 hour ago, Bozo_Casanova said: Yep, it was a great station back in the day. And that’s the rest of the story.
October 2, 20196 yr And I started the uniform business, because it was my understanding that there is this gray area of cops that are off duty but in uniform. She was off duty but has all the protections of an on duty officer because she was in uniform. So I suggested the gray area be removed. I understand about the firearm, but I’d prefer there be a distinction between a work firearm and a personal one, and work should only be discharged on duty. I’ll allow that this may not make a difference.
October 2, 20196 yr Just now, Pato del Muerto said: And I started the uniform business, because it was my understanding that there is this gray area of cops that are off duty but in uniform. She was off duty but has all the protections of an on duty officer because she was in uniform. So I suggested the gray area be removed. I understand about the firearm, but I’d prefer there be a distinction between a work firearm and a personal one, and work should only be discharged on duty. I’ll allow that this may not make a difference. But being in uniform, she also had all the responsibilities of one in uniform, and her verdict reflects that
October 2, 20196 yr 5 minutes ago, Trey3216 said: But being in uniform, she also had all the responsibilities of one in uniform, and her verdict reflects that That raises an interesting point. I don't know if we ever figured out whether the jury was instructed to judge her actions as a reasonable ordinary person, or a reasonable person with 3500 hours of law enforcement training.
October 2, 20196 yr Author 19 minutes ago, Newdoc said: Legal Experts Warn Amber Guyger Verdict Could Set Dangerous Precedent Of Police Officers Not Being Allowed To Shoot Anyone They Want Is this the "Best Choice" version of The Onion? Not really even satire, just stupid.
October 2, 20196 yr 5 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said: That raises an interesting point. I don't know if we ever figured out whether the jury was instructed to judge her actions as a reasonable ordinary person, or a reasonable person with 3500 hours of law enforcement training. I think @Brisketexan talked about that 12-14 pages or so ago if I’m not mistaken, but I’m likely mistaken. I know it was discussed with case study
October 2, 20196 yr 17 minutes ago, Trey3216 said: But being in uniform, she also had all the responsibilities of one in uniform, and her verdict reflects that Her lawyers argued against it though didn’t they? We’re there jury instructions regarding this point?
October 2, 20196 yr 12 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said: That raises an interesting point. I don't know if we ever figured out whether the jury was instructed to judge her actions as a reasonable ordinary person, or a reasonable person with 3500 hours of law enforcement training. I don't know how the jury was instructed but I know the prosecution hammered the point in closing.
October 2, 20196 yr If Amber Guyger was a guy, Botham Jean is still alive. A guy doesn’t panic and start blasting away in this situation. A guy doesn’t forget where he lives either.
October 2, 20196 yr 2 minutes ago, Jim Tom Pinch said: If Amber Guyger was a guy, Botham Jean is still alive. A guy doesn’t panic and start blasting away in this situation. A guy doesn’t forget where he lives either. I believe this 99.7%
October 2, 20196 yr 2 minutes ago, Jim Tom Pinch said: If Amber Guyger was a guy, and not a cop, Botham Jean is still alive. A guy doesn’t panic and start blasting away in this situation. A guy doesn’t forget where he lives either. fify
October 2, 20196 yr 10 minutes ago, Pato del Muerto said: Her lawyers argued against it though didn’t they? We’re there jury instructions regarding this point? 8 minutes ago, Skipper said: I don't know how the jury was instructed but I know the prosecution hammered the point in closing. It was absolutely hammered by the prosecution, and I believe the case precedent was presented well earlier in the thread.
October 2, 20196 yr 14 minutes ago, Jim Tom Pinch said: If Amber Guyger was a guy, Botham Jean is still alive. A guy doesn’t panic and start blasting away in this situation. A guy doesn’t forget where he lives either. Are you saying women shouldn't be cops
October 2, 20196 yr 10 minutes ago, Trey3216 said: I believe this 99.7% I don't know. There's a reason hunters have to wear that blaze orange. Buck fever is real. Sure, not exactly the same but still... dumbasses with guns have been known to blast buddies and strangers alike when there was venison on the brain.
October 2, 20196 yr 57 minutes ago, Pato del Muerto said: Very old and strong am radio station out of Dallas. So old it’s before the W/K designations so it’s one of the few western stations with a W. On a nice night, that signal can reach a long way. Some of you guys should dial in 820 and see if you can get it. They're 50,000 watt clear channel. You can hear them pretty much nationwide. Back in the old days they shared the frequency with WFAA and would swap frequencies twice a day ringing a cowbell so the listener would know they were changing. When they ended the swap, WBAP kept the cowbell and would ring it at the top of the hour. Don't know if they still do that.
October 2, 20196 yr 5 minutes ago, El Diablo said: I don't know. There's a reason hunters have to wear that blaze orange. Buck fever is real. Sure, not exactly the same but still... dumbasses with guns have been known to blast buddies and strangers alike when there was venison on the brain.
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