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I think that is more likely than not. I also think the assets could have been a couple of trucks and boats. Everything is so murky right now. The more I hear, the more I lean towards the person that fucked this up the most (for the campers) is already dead. 

You’re right, he’s dead. A good man that I’ve known most of my life, who loved people of all walks of life. He died trying to save campers, and this post will probably get negged because it’s emotionally charged, but fuck you.
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3 minutes ago, Homesickhorn said:


You’re right, he’s dead. A good man that I’ve known most of my life, who loved people of all walks of life. He died trying to save campers, and this post will probably get negged because it’s emotionally charged, but fuck you.

I’m sorry. 

9 hours ago, Cajun said:

That is something else.  I my address is the orange dot.  I'm literally the "shake twice" drip --

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are you willing to fight the FAA?

8 hours ago, Chopper said:

Delays in deployment of Federal search and rescue, and aerial imagery to aid in search - "Explained"

 

lol. No one cares anymore. People don’t even remember what a good response looks like, much less expect it, much less vote people out of office for it. We’ve crested the hill, the slide into Russia has begun. 

8 hours ago, Cajun said:

The cove circled in the upper left is where they searched today and the circle in the middle of the frame is my house...

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Nice humble brag. Again. Just know that it worked, I am jealous. 

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6 hours ago, Homesickhorn said:


You’re right, he’s dead. A good man that I’ve known most of my life, who loved people of all walks of life. He died trying to save campers, and this post will probably get negged because it’s emotionally charged, but fuck you.

Some folks would complain if they were hung with a new rope.  I'm sure there were complaints about the way the 911 tragedy unfolded also.

5 hours ago, UnivTex34 said:

are you willing to fight the FAA?

To me that map represents their un-lubed dildo of consequences.

I think I’ll pass.

17 minutes ago, SydneyCarton said:

 

Nice humble brag. Again. Just know that it worked, I am jealous. 

You’re confusing us with Lake Travis.  My next door neighbor is a meth lab.

6 hours ago, Homesickhorn said:


You’re right, he’s dead. A good man that I’ve known most of my life, who loved people of all walks of life. He died trying to save campers, and this post will probably get negged because it’s emotionally charged, but fuck you.

By pretty much all accounts, Dick Eastland was a good guy.  Good friend of mine worked at Mystic about 40 years ago, his wife was a counselor and sent two daughters there.

He's not nearly as fun to point the finger at as the feckless Kerr County officials that put partisan politics ahead of people's safety.

Unfortunately, though, it appears that Da Fino is right.  There's almost no way he doesn't bear significant responsibility for this.

Good people have feet of clay.

 

5 minutes ago, Cajun said:

You’re confusing us with Lake Travis.  My next door neighbor is a meth lab.

I hear there’s good money in meth. 

So buddy had a Blackhawk sweeping behind his house on Sandy Creek arm again yesterday, followed by a slow troll of a police boat through a drift of debris across from Jones Brothers' Park.  He didn't see them pull anything yet, but wouldn't surprise me if we see some victims recovered from there.

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And in regards to the Marble Falls Fire Chief, they've dug out his jeep...

 

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1 hour ago, TwiceHorn said:

By pretty much all accounts, Dick Eastland was a good guy.  Good friend of mine worked at Mystic about 40 years ago, his wife was a counselor and sent two daughters there.

He's not nearly as fun to point the finger at as the feckless Kerr County officials that put partisan politics ahead of people's safety.

Unfortunately, though, it appears that Da Fino is right.  There's almost no way he doesn't bear significant responsibility for this.

Good people have feet of clay.

 

I think is where I am but with some variance.
 

It seems none of the other camps on this fork of the river evacuated kids before the flood. La Junta (campers in cabins), Heart of the Hills (counselors in cabins). They were lucky but should still be reviewed. They aren’t getting blasted like Mystic is, and understandably due to the deaths. All of these camps (Mystic, La Junta, HOTH) were negligent in some fashion. The variance is around details we apparently don’t know yet. Things like:

- Anyone who has been to Mystic during session knows they have a security guard at the front. It has been reported these are retired/former LEOs (opposed to mall cops), but I don’t know for sure. He is closest to the river/entrabce and seemingly should be awake. What were his responsibilities? Monitor weather? River level? Interact with local law/emergency? Was his responsibility to be the eyes/ears during the night…. For flooding, emergencies, visitors, deliveries? What?
 

- Camp owners have been out there since 1976. Live there year round. Have the cabins ever flooded before? Any water? If so, the variance of their negligence goes way up. Or have they seen things that led them to believe the cabins would never take on water. 
 

- Risk management. Did they have professionals review their operation. Plans, insurance RM assessments, flood plain reviews, regulatory compliance, etc… if the ownership took an independent/honest approach to this and were given assurances they were safe, it lowers the negligence calculation IMO. The extent of this will come out, and not by some AP news article saying they were inspected 2 days before flood. Over time, how much concern did the camp have and did they seek assurances or mitigation from professionals.

- Did professional risk managers instruct them to keep campers in cabins during storms to avoid other perils (lightning, roadway flooding (1987 after action), falling trees, etc…. I.e, was THE PLAN to actually keep them in cabins during the storm. Only until water came in did they try to scramble. 

I’m sure there are more. But where I have been triggered is how fast people judge these owners and immediately turn them into the devil. As if they wanted these kids to die. After the investigation/lawyers review this thing it may very well come out that the camp owners (at any/all of the camps) were completely clueless. Or, that they took this very seriously and still a tragedy occurred.

I just don’t see the need/benefit to shit all over a family or highly loved/respected long-time camp leadership until we know. These camps have built tremendous credibility over 90+ years. I think it’s fair to give them some grace until the details come out.
 

 

22 minutes ago, Texas Fight said:

- Risk management. Did they have professionals review their operation. Plans, insurance RM assessments, flood plain reviews, regulatory compliance, etc… if the ownership took an independent/honest approach to this and were given assurances they were safe, it lowers the negligence calculation IMO. The extent of this will come out, and not by some AP news article saying they were inspected 2 days before flood. Over time, how much concern did the camp have and did they seek assurances or mitigation from professionals.

 

If this is proven to be true, seems like that would shift the liability to the inspecting party/parties rather than the camp itself.  I'm quite interested to see if they publish their plan in the wake of all this.

2 hours ago, SydneyCarton said:

lol. No one cares anymore. People don’t even remember what a good response looks like, much less expect it, much less vote people out of office for it. We’ve crested the hill, the slide into Russia has begun. 

I get it. Many of us are going to have to learn the skills to produce meth or become meth salesman. But it's stunning that almost a week into a major disaster recovery and the director of FEMA hasn't shown his face nor made his way to Texas to do his job. It makes me me miss the mere incompetence of Brownie. 

2 hours ago, Cajun said:

To me that map represents their un-lubed dildo of consequences.

I think I’ll pass.

Wise man.

2 hours ago, locodos said:

siap

 

SIAP. It took me a bit, but I believe the time lapse video we’ve all seen by now was shot simultaneously with the video above, from the other side of the river. 

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10 minutes ago, Chopper said:

I get it. Many of us are going to have to learn the skills to produce meth or become meth salesman. But it's stunning that almost a week into a major disaster recovery and the director of FEMA hasn't shown his face nor made his way to Texas to do his job. It makes me me miss the mere incompetence of Brownie. 

Something something bootstraps

Abbott gonna dip into the massively bloated rainy day fund to help out? Nah. 

9 hours ago, Homesickhorn said:


You’re right, he’s dead. A good man that I’ve known most of my life, who loved people of all walks of life. He died trying to save campers, and this post will probably get negged because it’s emotionally charged, but fuck you.

Sorry about your friend.

3 hours ago, TwiceHorn said:

By pretty much all accounts, Dick Eastland was a good guy.  Good friend of mine worked at Mystic about 40 years ago, his wife was a counselor and sent two daughters there.

He's not nearly as fun to point the finger at as the feckless Kerr County officials that put partisan politics ahead of people's safety.

Unfortunately, though, it appears that Da Fino is right.  There's almost no way he doesn't bear significant responsibility for this.

Good people have feet of clay.

 

Yeah, this is where I am because part of me wants to ask so much "why"... why wasn't someone up earlier monitoring the situation?  Why were cabins so low?  But, at the same time, everything I've heard about the family from people on this board to friends two houses away was that they were good people with good hearts.  They bear some responsibility but they are also victims.  To me, if anyone bears even more responsibility and they certainly are NOT endearing themselves to anyone are the local and state authorities.  Bad attitudes, finger pointing, evasiveness... they are the ones that left their community in a vulnerable situation. The victims ended up being the locals and visitors, the camp counselors and yes, even the camps, who were in many ways left to fend for themselves.

2 hours ago, Texas Fight said:

I’m sure there are more. But where I have been triggered is how fast people judge these owners and immediately turn them into the devil. As if they wanted these kids to die. After the investigation/lawyers review this thing it may very well come out that the camp owners (at any/all of the camps) were completely clueless. Or, that they took this very seriously and still a tragedy occurred.

From everything we've seen so far, the county wasn't even sending out weather alerts to just their local residents until 5AM through their codeRED alerting system (per NYT reporting and ABC reporting), and many resident didn't actually recieve the flood alert until 10AM on July 4.

I really do fear that the campers, counselors, and camp are victims of the state and local leadership's negligence. 

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38 minutes ago, chainsaw said:

too soon man

What good is it for if not for an actual rainy day? More tax breaks for data centers and crypto miners? 

11 minutes ago, Js1 said:

What good is it for if not for an actual rainy day? More tax breaks for data centers and crypto miners? 

Don't forget our utilities.

Lots of Monday morning quarterbacking going on..  The people that own these camps have probably seen 100’s of flash flood warnings and watches and in the last 40 years and it hasn’t swept away their cabins. After a while you tend to ignore them to a point because it never floods you. No one knows exactly how high a flash flood will get before it happens and this one being in the middle of the night didn’t help.  Now a siren alert system definitely would have helped but that’s not on them and to put blame on people that died trying to save people is a bit much.  

I think the only (main?) criticism I’ve seen about the camp owners was mostly why the younger campers have cabins that are the ones closest to the river?

That is a legit question/criticism

5 minutes ago, Hook1997 said:

Lots of Monday morning quarterbacking going on..  The people that own these camps have probably seen 100’s of flash flood warnings and watches and in the last 40 years and it hasn’t swept away their cabins. After a while you tend to ignore them to a point because it never floods you. No one knows exactly how high a flash flood will get before it happens and this one being in the middle of the night didn’t help.  Now a siren alert system definitely would have helped but that’s not on them and to put blame on people that died trying to save people is a bit much.  

To be fair, is it not worth evaluating why things went so horribly wrong for so many?  Perhaps by doing so we might learn how to avoid a similar recurrence?  Or we could just call everyone who asks questions losers.

11 minutes ago, Captainant said:

From everything we've seen so far, the county wasn't even sending out weather alerts to just their local residents until 5AM through their codeRED alerting system (per NYT reporting), and many resident didn't actually recieve the flood alert until 10AM on July 4.

I really do fear that the campers, counselors, and camp are victims of the state and local leadership's negligence. 

This a good example. If THE PLAN was for the county to send out alerts and the camp security officer on duty was responsible for receiving and acting on those warnings (whether they were flood, wildfire, tornado, lightning, etc… warnings), then SOME accountability of the camp shifts/dilutes. 
 

Some are asking why the owners weren’t down there watching the river with their own two eyes at 2am? Hindsight of a catastrophe with 27 dead makes this seem obvious. But, if you get flash flood watches and warnings 20x a year for 40 years and each of those is for a few days or several hours window spans, I think it is very reasonable to have a plan in place for parts of the day where the former-LEO security officer is monitoring warning systems, camp environment, etc…. with instructions on when to put emergency plans into action. 
 

 

I’m thinking of joining a volunteer search team tomorrow. Has anyone seen any information about how Trump’s visit might impact my ability to get to area between Ingram and Hunt where the team has been searching?

Just now, Js1 said:

I think the only (main?) criticism I’ve seen about the camp owners was mostly why the younger campers have cabins that are the ones closest to the river?

That is a legit question/criticism

And apparently those cabins were in not just a flood zone but the FEMA "floodway" which has huge restrictions on new development.

https://www.npr.org/2025/07/09/nx-s1-5460970/fema-texas-flooding-floodplain-camp-mystic

 

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6 minutes ago, Hook1997 said:

Lots of Monday morning quarterbacking going on..  The people that own these camps have probably seen 100’s of flash flood warnings and watches and in the last 40 years and it hasn’t swept away their cabins. After a while you tend to ignore them to a point because it never floods you. No one knows exactly how high a flash flood will get before it happens and this one being in the middle of the night didn’t help.  Now a siren alert system definitely would have helped but that’s not on them and to put blame on people that died trying to save people is a bit much.  

One of my best friend's daughter was at the camp when this happened and is safe and I've talked to him about it this week.  His wife went to camp there, was a counselor etc.  as were other family members.  They are also close to the family.  But from what I gather the dad's that are not as attached emotionally to the camp and able to look at this a little more objectively are pretty incensed at the situation and don't think it's going to go well once litigators dive into all of this.  He sent me a breakdown of projected revenue based on what they pay + number of camps and sessions, etc.   There was certainly plenty of profit available to improve safety and risk management and there is certainly a view in hindsight that it was lacking.  I'll probably hear more once we're able to grab a beer and discuss in more detail, but just throwing out there to say that criticism started to grow is not limited to those of us reading about it all on the internet.  There are some very connected people that lost kids or grandkids that I doubt just write this off as a tragedy that couldn't have been prevented.

10 minutes ago, Texas Fight said:

former-LEO security officer

Oh yeah that usually works out well when it comes to protecting children 

6 minutes ago, DDD Dad said:

And apparently those cabins were in not just a flood zone but the FEMA "floodway" which has huge restrictions on new development.

https://www.npr.org/2025/07/09/nx-s1-5460970/fema-texas-flooding-floodplain-camp-mystic

 

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Thank you for posting a good source on this - I've read it in commentary but hadn't had a good visual from a trustworthy source to show it. That's going to be a big problem for Mystic that they had camper cabins in the floodway of the most dangerous flooding alley in America.

I do think the ultimate failure is in no warnings or word (seemingly) reaching the camp, since nobody else got a warning until it was too late too. 

 

I really hope that different decisions will be made this time around to prioritize safety.

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2 hours ago, Texas Fight said:

I think is where I am but with some variance.
 

It seems none of the other camps on this fork of the river evacuated kids before the flood. La Junta (campers in cabins), Heart of the Hills (counselors in cabins). They were lucky but should still be reviewed. They aren’t getting blasted like Mystic is, and understandably due to the deaths. All of these camps (Mystic, La Junta, HOTH) were negligent in some fashion. The variance is around details we apparently don’t know yet. Things like:

- Anyone who has been to Mystic during session knows they have a security guard at the front. It has been reported these are retired/former LEOs (opposed to mall cops), but I don’t know for sure. He is closest to the river/entrabce and seemingly should be awake. What were his responsibilities? Monitor weather? River level? Interact with local law/emergency? Was his responsibility to be the eyes/ears during the night…. For flooding, emergencies, visitors, deliveries? What?
 

- Camp owners have been out there since 1976. Live there year round. Have the cabins ever flooded before? Any water? If so, the variance of their negligence goes way up. Or have they seen things that led them to believe the cabins would never take on water. 
 

- Risk management. Did they have professionals review their operation. Plans, insurance RM assessments, flood plain reviews, regulatory compliance, etc… if the ownership took an independent/honest approach to this and were given assurances they were safe, it lowers the negligence calculation IMO. The extent of this will come out, and not by some AP news article saying they were inspected 2 days before flood. Over time, how much concern did the camp have and did they seek assurances or mitigation from professionals.

- Did professional risk managers instruct them to keep campers in cabins during storms to avoid other perils (lightning, roadway flooding (1987 after action), falling trees, etc…. I.e, was THE PLAN to actually keep them in cabins during the storm. Only until water came in did they try to scramble. 

I’m sure there are more. But where I have been triggered is how fast people judge these owners and immediately turn them into the devil. As if they wanted these kids to die. After the investigation/lawyers review this thing it may very well come out that the camp owners (at any/all of the camps) were completely clueless. Or, that they took this very seriously and still a tragedy occurred.

I just don’t see the need/benefit to shit all over a family or highly loved/respected long-time camp leadership until we know. These camps have built tremendous credibility over 90+ years. I think it’s fair to give them some grace until the details come out.

I agree by all accounts the owner was a good guy and died trying to save those girls.  People have short attention spans and reach for the easiest answer so the blame will fall to him.  The county, state, and definitely the federal people like Noem know this and will ride out the storm pointing fingers until the next tragedy hits and the public moves on.  By then they'll have their stories straight on who to blame like Trump was already blaming Biden on this, like c'mon.

The level of negligence/culpability with regard to Mystic vs. the RM pros who checked them off vs. the county vs. the state doesn't really matter; Mystic in its current form is done.  Even if they did everything "right" they're going to get sued into the ground and there is no way they have the assets for a long fight over 30 wrongful death suits. They'll end up liquidating and selling the land.  Kerr County will install a few sirens so they can say they did something, and that will probably be the extent of it.

My take is cynical but warranted.  Uvalde was just a few years ago and I'm still waiting on real consequences for our DPS heroes who stood outside in violation of their training and policy while that dude massacred a bunch of kids.

29 minutes ago, Hook1997 said:

Lots of Monday morning quarterbacking going on..  The people that own these camps have probably seen 100’s of flash flood warnings and watches and in the last 40 years and it hasn’t swept away their cabins. After a while you tend to ignore them to a point because it never floods you. No one knows exactly how high a flash flood will get before it happens and this one being in the middle of the night didn’t help.  Now a siren alert system definitely would have helped but that’s not on them and to put blame on people that died trying to save people is a bit much.  

I agree but Wimberly flood wasn't that long ago. And this was a warning, not a watch so if they didn't take precautions based on it, that's pretty extreme negligence. They received no help from the city or county and that's a huge problem too. 

24 minutes ago, Js1 said:

I think the only (main?) criticism I’ve seen about the camp owners was mostly why the younger campers have cabins that are the ones closest to the river?

That is a legit question/criticism

Someone with direct knowledge explained in this or another thread. I think maybe it was @C-Man ? Has to do with the cabin being next to the mess, small children, big hill...

16 minutes ago, 'stache said:

They literally said a few weeks ago that FEMA is going away so I don’t get the surprise. Even if unpopular there is a competent way to plan out a transition from FEMA to only state response but this administration is going to just slash a burn because fuck the people they’ll keep voting for them because gays and Mexicans. I guess it’s at least good news that they’re gonna be fucking over red states too I had assumed they’d help Texas and not California.

It hasn't gone away YET. Their responsibilities are statutory and that hasn't changed. But also you're mistaking "surprise" for "extreme anger." 

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2 minutes ago, Captainant said:

Thank you for posting a good source on this - I've read it in commentary but hadn't had a good visual from a trustworthy source to show it. That's going to be a big problem for Mystic that they had camper cabins in the floodway of the most dangerous flooding alley in America.

I do think the ultimate failure is in no warnings or word (seemingly) reaching the camp, since nobody else got a warning until it was too late too. 

 

I really hope that different decisions will be made this time around to prioritize safety.

Today's NYT "The Headlines" podcast covers this issue and some other points.  Worth a listen.

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/07/10/podcasts/the-headlines/camp-mystic-trump-retribution.html

 

2 minutes ago, Chopper said:

 

It hasn't gone away YET. Their responsibilities are statutory and that hasn't changed. But also you're mistaking "surprise" for "extreme anger."

Agreed I’m angry just not surprised. And lol at “statutory responsibilities” from this administration. There literally wiping their asses with even constitutional responsibilities on a daily basis.

2 minutes ago, DDD Dad said:

To be fair, is it not worth evaluating why things went so horribly wrong for so many?  Perhaps by doing so we might learn how to avoid a similar recurrence?  Or we could just call everyone who asks questions losers.

Is it fair? Fuck yeah it’s fair. Who is saying no one wants to get to the bottom of this?

Do you think 6 days after, while a significant amount of people are still missing, is the best time to get these answers?  So “we might learn how to avoid a similar recurrence”? Right now? 

You want the camps and local authorities to drop what they are doing in recover/rescue, letting families in to get belongings, dealing with 1 million arrangements I can’t even imagine? Or, would you rather them respond to interrogatories, discovery requests, depositions, etc…. RIGHT NOW?  You honestly believe RIGHT NOW is a good time to interview the 18 year old counselor or the 10 year old camper on the events that happened that night? Or the wife of the camp director who died in the flood? Today?
 

Tweety, the is DDD Dad,  I am really needing to know how to prevent this from happening again. I know your camp is fucked to hell and you had 27 kids die over the weekend, oh and your husband is dead, but I need this information TODAY!!!  

This is the most detailed account that I've come across so far about the local response and what transpired at Camp Mystic.

From the NYTimes: https://www.nytimes.com/2025/07/10/us/texas-flood-local-response.html (free link: https://archive.is/z10jl)

 

Separately, here's a gift link to an article that's got a few interactive elements to show the topography and flood zone designations, also from the NYTimes. The article also talks about how the camp's recent expansion would've been the time to move those cabins out of there. It's worth reading because it details the expansions, etc.

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4 minutes ago, DDD Dad said:

Today's NYT "The Headlines" podcast covers this issue and some other points.  Worth a listen.

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/07/10/podcasts/the-headlines/camp-mystic-trump-retribution.html

 

Ok yeah, the county approving the additional cabins to be built IN THE FLOODWAY in the 2019 expansion is a problem. Mystic and their insurers are going to have a bad time in litigation with that fact

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3 minutes ago, Texas Fight said:

Do you think 6 days after, while a significant amount of people are still missing, is the best time to get these answers?  So “we might learn how to avoid a similar recurrence”? Right now? 

It's never the right day to answer difficult questions that demand your personal accountability or action. What you're not recognizing is that many of the answers -- like hey city manager what the fuck were you doing during the hours after the flood warning was issued -- are known to those people. It takes longer to bitch about being asked about it than it would to answer the damn question. What they do is dodge and then there's NEVER an answer. Learn the pattern. 

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2 minutes ago, Texas Fight said:

Is it fair? Fuck yeah it’s fair. Who is saying no one wants to get to the bottom of this?

Do you think 6 days after, while a significant amount of people are still missing, is the best time to get these answers?  So “we might learn how to avoid a similar recurrence”? Right now? 

You want the camps and local authorities to drop what they are doing in recover/rescue, letting families in to get belongings, dealing with 1 million arrangements I can’t even imagine? Or, would you rather them respond to interrogatories, discovery requests, depositions, etc…. RIGHT NOW?  You honestly believe RIGHT NOW is a good time to interview the 18 year old counselor or the 10 year old camper on the events that happened that night? Or the wife of the camp director who died in the flood? Today?
 

Tweety, the is DDD Dad,  I am really needing to know how to prevent this from happening again. I know your camp is fucked to hell and you had 27 kids die over the weekend, oh and your husband is dead, but I need this information TODAY!!!  

I think you're missing the point here.  While I haven't been personally touched by this event, I have a number of close friends who have.  I get that this is raw and painful.  That doesn't mean that in appropriate circumstances (such as, say, a PRESS CONFERENCE) questions regarding possible reasons for the failures shouldn't be asked.

 

23 minutes ago, CTC2 said:

I’m thinking of joining a volunteer search team tomorrow. Has anyone seen any information about how Trump’s visit might impact my ability to get to area between Ingram and Hunt where the team has been searching?

As far as searching/recovery, they wanted people with experience only as of Monday at Centerpoint VFD. Kerrville getting most of the press and federal teams is no doubt the same. 39 was closed off this past weekend to only LE, Task Force Teams or PROPERTY OWNERS. Might have changed since, but I doubt it. Too many bodies to be found and they want people that have done it before. 

1 minute ago, DDD Dad said:

I think you're missing the point here.  While I haven't been personally touched by this event, I have a number of close friends who have.  I get that this is raw and painful.  That doesn't mean that in appropriate circumstances (such as, say, a PRESS CONFERENCE) questions regarding possible reasons for the failures shouldn't be asked.

 

And then they shut down the press conferences after 3-5 questions that they don’t even answer other than “we will get back on that” or “you’re in my city and I’m in charge” 

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It's perfectly ok to Monday Morning QB when innocent people die. Our governmental systems failed them and a diagnosis is necessary. 

5 minutes ago, BillyGoatHill said:

As far as searching/recovery, they wanted people with experience only as of Monday at Centerpoint VFD. Kerrville getting most of the press and federal teams is no doubt the same. 39 was closed off this past weekend to only LE, Task Force Teams or PROPERTY OWNERS. Might have changed since, but I doubt it. Too many bodies to be found and they want people that have done it before. 

Thanks, but this is different and authorized.  I was just told that all I need to do is get to Kerrville. 

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1 minute ago, DDD Dad said:

I think you're missing the point here.  While I haven't been personally touched by this event, I have a number of close friends who have.  I get that this is raw and painful.  That doesn't mean that in appropriate circumstances (such as, say, a PRESS CONFERENCE) questions regarding possible reasons for the failures shouldn't be asked.

 

You honestly think a twice daily press conference updating on daily progress of an on-going emergency response, is the best time to get these answers?  
 
Sherriff, this is DDD Dad, I really need you to sit down and review all of your commissioner meeting minute from 2017 and be prepared to answer on the record questions at the 5pm presser. Would you also respond to all of my FOIA filings for any emails containing these key words search by tomorrow morning at 8am? We don’t want to hear about how many bodies you found or provide the public on any updates. The families with dead children aren’t dealing with funeral arrangements, 9000 condolence texts, getting their child’s possessions, what they really want is your voting record on sirens. TODAY! Thanks.

39 minutes ago, Js1 said:

I think the only (main?) criticism I’ve seen about the camp owners was mostly why the younger campers have cabins that are the ones closest to the river?

That is a legit question/criticism

That’s been addressed earlier up- they let the older, bigger campers traverse the hill up and down to their cabins because it is easier for them.   They had the young ones stay low where much of the activity takes place. 

4 minutes ago, Texas Fight said:

You honestly think a twice daily press conference updating on daily progress of an on-going emergency response, is the best time to get these answers?  
 
Sherriff, this is DDD Dad, I really need you to sit down and review all of your commissioner meeting minute from 2017 and be prepared to answer on the record questions at the 5pm presser. Would you also respond to all of my FOIA filings for any emails containing these key words search by tomorrow morning at 8am? We don’t want to hear about how many bodies you found or provide the public on any updates. The families with dead children aren’t dealing with funeral arrangements, 9000 condolence texts, getting their child’s possessions, what they really want is your voting record on sirens. TODAY! Thanks.

Look, you're just throwing out hyperbolic and ridiculous exaggerations of the types of questions that have been asked.  I've tried to be sympathetic to you, but this sort of doubling down reflects that you're not engaging in good faith.

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29 minutes ago, Js1 said:

Oh yeah that usually works out well when it comes to protecting children 

former LEO was asleep at the wheel

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