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I've mostly stayed out of this thread but wanted to offer my condolences to anyone on here that has experienced a loss or is dealing with the stress and trauma of this. I took my daughter on some college visits this past week and I had to choke back a bit when I was thinking there are moms and dads who will never have this same opportunity and I should count myself extremely lucky. For any that are helping out, you guys are doing an incredible service for others. 

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14 minutes ago, mdmost said:

I've mostly stayed out of this thread but wanted to offer my condolences to anyone on here that has experienced a loss or is dealing with the stress and trauma of this. I took my daughter on some college visits this past week and I had to choke back a bit when I was thinking there are moms and dads who will never have this same opportunity and I should count myself extremely lucky. For any that are helping out, you guys are doing an incredible service for others. 

With the word choice, I couldn't help it.

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Michael Taaffe continues to show he's a great representative of the University

 

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“We’ve heard accounts of trailer after trailer after trailer being swept into the river with families in them. Can’t find the trailers,” (Judge) Kelly said. “It’s what we don’t know. We don’t know how many of them there are.”

Kelly said he’d been told of one trailer that was found “completely covered in gravel” 27 feet below the surface of the river. He said sonar crews have been searching the river and local lakes and more are expected to arrive.

Commissioner Don Harris said officials plan to drain two reservoir lakes on the river.

“Who knows how many out there are completely covered,” Harris said.

 

Taaffe also has younger cousins that were two of the heroic counselors at La Junta . One is entering his freshman year at UT this fall. 

 

 

14 minutes ago, troph said:

I have no issue with the sentiment of that doctor’s post but then I bear the brunt of some pretty horrific legislative outcomes myself. You want to be conservative no issue, we are way past that. We are in active fuck you I want you to feel pain mode now and it’s time we ALL stop that shit. We can start with flood warning systems and move on to compassion for others after that.  But it’s time to hold people accountable for their hateful and dangerous policies whatever they may be. 

And yeah I’m a lib but fuck all of that, kindness should know NO political party or specific religion. 

 

On 7/8/2025 at 11:08 PM, troph said:

The other thing I’m going to say and this is political but fuck guys and gals we can’t be partisan on this, a special session is being called for other stupid reasons but the public welfare and flash flood warning systems will take all the air, we absolutely need these fucking assholes to make real change. The good news is their people died so we have a legit shot at real, good, and lasting change. Let’s get on board and see to it that it happens.

 

1 hour ago, Sgt Hulk said:

Came here to share this.  How can you not root for this dude 

I wouldn't know.  Been a Taaffe fan since he started his career at Texas. 

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2 hours ago, King George said:

 

 

This is 100% Rex to completely miss what Troph is saying and frame it as "I'm glad they're dead" and not the "people with power were affected so change will probably happen".

Classic shithead troll move.

Here is a video montage of many of the dogs that have been found but have not been reunited with their people, this poster is doing a great job of keeping up with all the ones who have also been reunited with their families. 

 

 

2 hours ago, troph said:

I have no issue with the sentiment of that doctor’s post but then I bear the brunt of some pretty horrific legislative outcomes myself. You want to be conservative no issue, we are way past that. We are in active fuck you I want you to feel pain mode now and it’s time we ALL stop that shit. We can start with flood warning systems and move on to compassion for others after that.  But it’s time to hold people accountable for their hateful and dangerous policies whatever they may be. 

And yeah I’m a lib but fuck all of that, kindness should know NO political party or specific religion. 

Flood warning systems? Like notifications to the camp leadership? If no one does anything effective with the information what is the point?  

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We picked up our 11 yo daughter on June 26th from Mystic Guadalupe.  We visited La Junta the day before that with my son.  That those places are more or less gone is tragic.  What those boys and girls and camp leaders did to get people through everything, notwithstanding the tragedy is heroic.  After getting past the adrenaline of learning about the news, and then the sadness and explaining to our daughter what happened, which as an 11 yo she both gets and doesn't, we tried, with some success, some not, to enjoy the remainder of the vacation we take annually after camp is over.  But at least a few times a day I shudder at the thought of what if that storm was 10 days earlier.  I feel lucky, then I feel guilty.  

I am not certain what is going to become of the Eastlands and Mystic, although I have a pretty good guess, which will require another hard conversation with my daughter.  It is pretty clear that mistakes were made long ago and that night, but it's also clear that the Eastlands that night were heroic in many ways.  I do hope the Kerr County officials who can't be bothered to self-reflect are run out of town on a pole.  I imagine the electorate will quickly forget when election time comes, though.   I'll leave it there because no CR and all.  

It's all just so incredibly crushingly sad.  My daughter wants to go to Dick Eastland's funeral/memorial if he has a public one.  I'm not sure I'll be able to handle it, but we'll make the trip if that's what she wants.  

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49 minutes ago, Texas Fight said:

Flood warning systems? Like notifications to the camp leadership? If no one does anything effective with the information what is the point?  

Like loud ass fucking sirens that don't rely on silent notifications to camp watch standers. Make sure EVERYONE gets the danger signal, not just a designated adult

8 minutes ago, Captainant said:

Like loud ass fucking sirens that don't rely on silent notifications to camp watch standers. Make sure EVERYONE gets the danger signal, not just a designated adult

This.

Simple, effective, cheap solutions (like that exact solution, which is deployed elsewhere to positive effect) were available, and were available for a long time.

They were rejected.  Soundly.  For some of the dumbest, idiotic, painfully mean reasons imaginable.  You can read the actual transcripts, they are quite open and plain about it.

Every disaster has multiple failure points, any one of which being removed prevents the disaster/lessens its toll.  Could have taken all other failure points out of the mix by having river flood warning sirens.  But they didn't.  And the whole world knows why.  Some people are angry about that.  That's shitty, because ALL people should be angry about it.

2 hours ago, Captainant said:

This is 100% Rex to completely miss what Troph is saying and frame it as "I'm glad they're dead" and not the "people with power were affected so change will probably happen".

Classic shithead troll move.

Not a troll and I did not miss the point. I simply quoted a post where the word choice was deplorable. Never let a crisis go to waste I guess. And that post was in response to the terrible defense of the indefensible doctor and making it about that poster yet again. Y’all are pathetic miserable people. 

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Not a troll and I did not miss the point. I simply quoted a post where the word choice was deplorable. Never let a crisis go to waste I guess. And that post was in response to the terrible defense of the indefensible doctor and making it about that poster yet again. Y’all are pathetic miserable people. 

participation here is voluntary 

PSA: would really help the rest of us, and be much appreciated, if folks wouldn't quote them. Just sayin. 

6 hours ago, Hank Kingsley said:

Taaffe also has younger cousins that were two of the heroic counselors at La Junta . One is entering his freshman year at UT this fall. 

 

 


on mom’s side or dad’s side? I know the mom’s side.

How sad of a person do you have to be to keep coming back to a site after being repeatedly banned?  Asking for a troll.

31 minutes ago, Hefeweizen said:

How sad of a person do you have to be to keep coming back to a site after being repeatedly banned?  Asking for a troll.

Rex has never been banned. And even though he's a cunt, I kinda like him

33 minutes ago, Doc Sam Beckett said:

Rex has never been banned. And even though he's a cunt, I kinda like him

 

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4 hours ago, Brisketexan said:

Every disaster has multiple failure points, any one of which being removed prevents the disaster/lessens its toll.  Could have taken all other failure points out of the mix by having river flood warning sirens.  But they didn't.  And the whole world knows why.  Some people are angry about that.  That's shitty, because ALL people should be angry about it.

Tell me more.  The certainty around this point I just don't get.  Maybe it's a coping mechanism against the powerlessness of man before nature, I don't know.

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38 minutes ago, WBT said:

Tell me more.  The certainty around this point I just don't get.  Maybe it's a coping mechanism against the powerlessness of man before nature, I don't know.

Sure.

This flood is a good example.  You can't prevent the disaster here (in this case, the flood).  But there are multiple points where the death toll could have been dramatically reduced.  One of those points is river flood warning sirens.  Those warn not just regular river residents, but also visitors (like folks at RV parks), more of whom would have had time to get out/get to high ground.

Or a shipwreck.  Often, there's multiple things that could have been done to avoid the ship sinking - so, avoid the disaster altogether.  Then, even if it couldn't be avoided, having good, practiced lifeboat drills with sufficient lifeboats lessens the losses suffered when the ship sinks.

Winter Storm Uri: we couldn't stop the freezing weather from coming.  But we could have learned from the lessons of the very close call in February 2011 (when our grid came very close to a Uri-like crash) and taken measures to better winterize our grid, adjust our market to provide for more capacity, etc.  Such measures could have helped us avoid the total grid collapse that we suffered in 2021, and a lot fewer people would have frozen to death in their homes.

It's not about stopping mother nature.  It's about planning for it, and having mechanisms in place to help people stay out of harm's way, meaning fewer people die.

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I get confused about the worst posters - but my money is on Johnny Sack. Johnny Sack is Houston’s version of Rex in my mind. Not sure if he’s been banned or whatever but it fits his profile. 

19 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

But there are multiple points where the death toll could have been dramatically reduced. 

Non zero deaths saved I believe.  Dramatically?  I can't get there.  These aren't teleporters we're talking about.

Non zero deaths saved I believe.  Dramatically?  I can't get there.  These aren't teleporters we're talking about.

No. They are loud warning sirens, which the dozens and dozens of visitors in RVs who died, would have heard, and had a chance to escape. Also, they go off a decent bit of time before the flood actually reaches you, so it’s a meaningful chance to escape.
Warning sirens are a thing because they work. I think that more than a handful of lives could have been saved by a piece of technology that is cheap, effective, and not exactly innovative - they’ve been in use for decades for such purposes.
35 minutes ago, Planet Houston said:

I get confused about the worst posters - but my money is on Johnny Sack. Johnny Sack is Houston’s version of Rex in my mind. Not sure if he’s been banned or whatever but it fits his profile. 

Sack is way worse than Rex. 

2 hours ago, Planet Houston said:

I get confused about the worst posters - but my money is on Johnny Sack. Johnny Sack is Houston’s version of Rex in my mind. Not sure if he’s been banned or whatever but it fits his profile. 

FYI, sack’s new handle is Frank Drebin.

8 hours ago, Brisketexan said:


No. They are loud warning sirens, which the dozens and dozens of visitors in RVs who died, would have heard, and had a chance to escape. Also, they go off a decent bit of time before the flood actually reaches you, so it’s a meaningful chance to escape.
Warning sirens are a thing because they work. I think that more than a handful of lives could have been saved by a piece of technology that is cheap, effective, and not exactly innovative - they’ve been in use for decades for such purposes.

I understand the concept. You hear a siren, and you immediately get up and know exactly what to do and where to go and are clear on time to act. Think tornado or nuclear bomb.

Id like for someone to show it practically for a flood. I think you all know Hwy 39 (if not, look at it in Google map). Consider the stretch from River Inn to Ingram Dam. That’s where all of the people are. There are probably 7-8 low water or river crossings that certainly flood the majority of the time in these scenarios. 

- When would a siren have gone off in this instance or any of the previous floods? At what water level, at what location, giving what amount of time for public to take action?  

- What are the instructions? Get in your car and take the 1 road from River Inn to Ingram? Or towards hwy 83? Or leave your RV and walk to higher ground in the storm? Does one or both cause more risk than just staying indoors? Not necessarily for THIS flood, but for the 40-50 floods before this one.

- At what point does the siren go off, and only go off, in a scenario where staying indoors is no longer the safest option leaving your dwelling IMMEDIATELY, in car or on foot, is the safest and only option. I.e if a siren goes off, the instructions and timing are clear. Do “this”, immediately.

Again, I get the concept. I’d like to see it from concept to reality. Can it be done simply and effectively?

How do you see it working? 

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maybe they can check in with Comfort, where the sirens worked wonderfully to prevent loss of life in the same event.  A place that has struggled with such luck in the past.

https://apnews.com/article/texas-floods-sirens-warning-comfort-98701e8c74c680a5704264d863994b90

Given the number of stream/creeks/rivers in the US that rely on such technology - maybe they can check in with other jurisdictions, too.

Or no - because they are loud and offensive to the know it all locals that can't be bothered to accept money from a _________ president for such things

8 minutes ago, Texas Fight said:

I understand the concept. You hear a siren, and you immediately get up and know exactly what to do and where to go and are clear on time to act. Think tornado or nuclear bomb.

Id like for someone to show it practically for a flood. I think you all know Hwy 39 (if not, look at it in Google map). Consider the stretch from River Inn to Ingram Dam. That’s where all of the people are. There are probably 7-8 low water or river crossings that certainly flood the majority of the time in these scenarios. 

- When would a siren have gone off in this instance or any of the previous floods? At what water level, at what location, giving what amount of time for public to take action?  

- What are the instructions? Get in your car and take the 1 road from River Inn to Ingram? Or towards hwy 83? Or leave your RV and walk to higher ground in the storm? Does one or both cause more risk than just staying indoors? Not necessarily for THIS flood, but for the 40-50 floods before this one.

- At what point does the siren go off, and only go off, in a scenario where staying indoors is no longer the safest option leaving your dwelling IMMEDIATELY, in car or on foot, is the safest and only option. I.e if a siren goes off, the instructions and timing are clear. Do “this”, immediately.

Again, I get the concept. I’d like to see it from concept to reality. Can it be done simply and effectively?

How do you see it working? 

I'm kind of with you on this.  The big reason the NWS alerts don't work is because we've become fatigued by all the Amber Alerts, storm watches and whatnot that buzz our phones throughout the day and night.  There needs to be some discretion as to how these are issued, and I would hope the sirens would be exercised with extreme caution.  They ABSOLUTELY should be developed and configured with input from the camps, RV parks and condos along the river.  Give a XX minute alarm when upstream thresholds are met (rising waters, X feet above normal pool, etc), and have an understood evacuation protocol in place. Each camp, for instance, should have a procedure in place verified by the county for when the alarms go off, each RV camp and River Inn have their own protocols (evacuate, drive downstream to Rendezvous point X), etc.  And again, they need to ensure they guard the sirens to where they don't become the next overused NWS alerts that get ignored. 

After an event of this magnitude, those responsible for public safety (and private safety) need to get assed to either turn off the other alerts on their phone or pay enough attention to sort the trivial from the serious.

35 minutes ago, Texas Fight said:

I understand the concept. You hear a siren, and you immediately get up and know exactly what to do and where to go and are clear on time to act. Think tornado or nuclear bomb.

Id like for someone to show it practically for a flood. I think you all know Hwy 39 (if not, look at it in Google map). Consider the stretch from River Inn to Ingram Dam. That’s where all of the people are. There are probably 7-8 low water or river crossings that certainly flood the majority of the time in these scenarios. 

- When would a siren have gone off in this instance or any of the previous floods? At what water level, at what location, giving what amount of time for public to take action?  

- What are the instructions? Get in your car and take the 1 road from River Inn to Ingram? Or towards hwy 83? Or leave your RV and walk to higher ground in the storm? Does one or both cause more risk than just staying indoors? Not necessarily for THIS flood, but for the 40-50 floods before this one.

- At what point does the siren go off, and only go off, in a scenario where staying indoors is no longer the safest option leaving your dwelling IMMEDIATELY, in car or on foot, is the safest and only option. I.e if a siren goes off, the instructions and timing are clear. Do “this”, immediately.

Again, I get the concept. I’d like to see it from concept to reality. Can it be done simply and effectively?

How do you see it working? 

It seems pretty clear that you don't get the concept. Simple warning systems like this have been used to great effect for a long time. You tie them to dangerous water levels upstream. These can be very predictably modeled to a fairly high degree of precision. Yes, there would have to be some attempt to educate the community on the best course of action. You remember tornado and fire drills in school (now with active shooter drills)? You remember public service announcements on TV? Shit like that works. 

On 7/5/2025 at 12:33 PM, Orange&White said:

I know no one wants to say it right now, but the people that own and operate the camps hold a lot of responsibility here.

If you’re hosting that many children, at a site that close to a flood prone river, you should have at least one person on staff monitoring this 24/7, and a well established and trained evac plan.

 

Cross posting as to leave the rains thread to be about rain.

 

On 7/5/2025 at 12:35 PM, Texas Fight said:

Are you sure that they didn’t?  Or are you just talking shit.

 

On 7/5/2025 at 12:37 PM, Orange&White said:

What do you even mean? If they had started following the news when the NWS, Austin and San Antonio Mets were calling it out multiple hours in advance, we would not be having this conversation.

 

 

On 7/5/2025 at 12:53 PM, Texas Fight said:

How do you know each of the camps didn’t have someone “monitoring this 24/7”? 
 

How do you know each of the camps didn’t have a “well established and trained evac plan”?

 

On 7/5/2025 at 1:00 PM, Dahobbs said:

I'd say we have pretty strong evidence that it wasn't being monitored and didn't have a strong evacuation plan. Why are you even arguing this? 

 

On 7/5/2025 at 1:02 PM, Orange&White said:

How hard is this? If they had someone monitoring the situation properly and an evac plan and thus is the outcome, you could then only pin it on negligence.

 

On 7/5/2025 at 1:03 PM, Texas Fight said:

So, you don’t know?

 

On 7/5/2025 at 1:04 PM, Texas Fight said:

Not true. 

 

https://www.sacurrent.com/news/camp-mystic-leader-waited-an-hour-to-evacuate-campers-after-receiving-alert-about-central-texas-flooding-37982314?fbclid=IwY2xjawLkibtleHRuA2FlbQIxMABicmlkETF3ZUk2VkJrTm1pNmt0NWtVAR4VsE_vvDUMbR8M5o1DxSzC7SQgduZslCZ7bMPupj3V2R-VGHAGEiL_7dKp7g_aem_liMX61VGp7l5XkN0clbycA

 

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The director of Camp Mystic, the all-girls Christian camp where 27 died during last weekend's Central Texas flooding, waited more than an hour after receiving the first weather alert to evacuate, despite the site being in a high-risk flood zone, the Washington Post reports.

 

 

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If absolutely nothing else, sirens wake everyone the hell up and are a blaring declaration that this isn't just another flash flood warning on your cell phone (for those that have them) that probably doesn't directly affect you. It screams local. At minimum, it gets people moving, gets eyes on the river, with precautionary measures being taken.

There's no world that sirens wouldn't have saved dozens of lives.

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It is the responsibility of state and local government to provide adequate warning systems to protect citizens of the state/county/city.  We expect our government to provide the most basic of services, of which a siren system that basically says "YOU ARE GOING TO DIE IF YOU IGNORE THIS ALERT" is pretty fucking basic, short of dragging you out of your home. 

If people choose to ignore them and die, so be it.  If Harris County gets on TV and tells you to evacuate due to a hurricane, with ample warning time, and you ignore it and die, its the fault of the person who opted not to evacuate and not the fault of the local government who gave them ample warning. 

And if the government is handing you money for a life-saving service, you take it.  Instead of playing bullshit politics with it because it came from a black president from the party you don't support. 

 

16 minutes ago, Orange&White said:

Maddening. If it's your own family, you can allow complacency to kick in and make the decision that it's "just another alert on the river". You don't get that luxury when you're responsible for hundreds of other people's kids.

 

9 minutes ago, aggie08 said:

If absolutely nothing else, sirens wake everyone the hell up and are a blaring declaration that this isn't just another flash flood warning on your cell phone (for those that have them) that probably doesn't directly affect you. It screams local. At minimum, it gets people moving, gets eyes on the river, with precautionary measures being taken.

There's no world that sirens wouldn't have saved dozens of lives.

I know anytime Dallas County fires off the sirens that are under a mile from my house that it wakes me up and makes me either check my phone or immediately turn on the TV to see what we're dealing with. Sometimes it is just a high wind event or hail. Other times it is a full blown tornado warning and we get everyone up, animals included, and into the area to be safe. 

You combine sirens with mandatory safety plans for flooding. Where to go, what to bring. You drill the campers on it when they arrive similar to what cruise ships with life preserves. Maybe they already do drills with campers, I don't know. Schools certainly do this with their students.

31 minutes ago, Orange&White said:

Yes. We now know that camp leadership was monitoring the storm and the warnings 24/7, proving your accusation 100% false.

We also know they had a flood plan, inspected and approved by State of Texas Health department on July 2nd. The plan was hanging in every cabin (plenty of parents have taken photos of the flood plan since they have returned to pick up kids belongings). The flood plan literally says “stay in your cabin”.  No where does their plan say to leave cabin and walk up toward Cypress Camp. The camp executed the posted plan until it was obvious it wasn’t working. Then the evac’d.

So, 100% yes. The camp leadership was monitoring (Dick and son in office monitoring), they did have an inspected/approved plan and it was posted. They did follow the plan and 27 kids died. 

What part of this is incorrect?

36 minutes ago, mdmost said:

I know anytime Dallas County fires off the sirens that are under a mile from my house that it wakes me up and makes me either check my phone or immediately turn on the TV to see what we're dealing with. Sometimes it is just a high wind event or hail. Other times it is a full blown tornado warning and we get everyone up, animals included, and into the area to be safe. 

You combine sirens with mandatory safety plans for flooding. Where to go, what to bring. You drill the campers on it when they arrive similar to what cruise ships with life preserves. Maybe they already do drills with campers, I don't know. Schools certainly do this with their students.

Yeah, sirens give me the willies.  One problem in Dallas, though, I can hear em from miles away where I'm not gonna be affected.  And they've started doing em for severe thunderstorms and not just tornados.

3 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

Yeah, sirens give me the willies.  One problem in Dallas, though, I can hear em from miles away where I'm not gonna be affected.  And they've started doing em for severe thunderstorms and not just tornados.

We were in Temple for a soccer tournament and they tested the tornado sirens and, man, those were creepy.

1 hour ago, Dendox said:

maybe they can check in with Comfort, where the sirens worked wonderfully to prevent loss of life in the same event.  A place that has struggled with such luck in the past.

https://apnews.com/article/texas-floods-sirens-warning-comfort-98701e8c74c680a5704264d863994b90

Given the number of stream/creeks/rivers in the US that rely on such technology - maybe they can check in with other jurisdictions, too.

Or no - because they are loud and offensive to the know it all locals that can't be bothered to accept money from a _________ president for such things

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But Comfort was also miles away from the flash flooding that overtook the camps and didn’t experience the cresting of the river flooding until after the terrifying rush of water in the pitch black early morning hours hit cabins. Many Comfort residents were already awake and aware of the rising water by the time the sirens sounded. 

Dead of night vs daylight had a huge impact imo.

I don't even know what I'm arguing here.  Yes, there should be sirens.  They would have saved lives.  Yes Abbott and many of the locals have responded as buffoons, ghouls, or worse.

It's just the idea that there must be someone to blame and the government could have saved almost everyone rings false to me.  It reads as coping, lashing out in anger, etc. 

These were the highest floodwaters in anyone's living memory that came up in the dead of night at the start of a holiday weekend.  How many people were drinking that night?  Many people probably thought they were on high enough ground.  Cut the death toll in half, which is about the best case scenario I can imagine, and it would have still been the deadliest disaster in Texas of our lifetimes.

29 minutes ago, Texas Fight said:

Yes. We now know that camp leadership was monitoring the storm and the warnings 24/7, proving your accusation 100% false.

We also know they had a flood plan, inspected and approved by State of Texas Health department on July 2nd. The plan was hanging in every cabin (plenty of parents have taken photos of the flood plan since they have returned to pick up kids belongings). The flood plan literally says “stay in your cabin”.  No where does their plan say to leave cabin and walk up toward Cypress Camp. The camp executed the posted plan until it was obvious it wasn’t working. Then the evac’d.

So, 100% yes. The camp leadership was monitoring (Dick and son in office monitoring), they did have an inspected/approved plan and it was posted. They did follow the plan and 27 kids died. 

What part of this is incorrect?

Having a bad, poorly conceived plan is not the same thing as having an actual functional plan. You can have "a plan" and still be negligent. 

2 minutes ago, WBT said:

Dead of night vs daylight had a huge impact imo.

I don't even know what I'm arguing here.  Yes, there should be sirens.  They would have saved lives.  Yes Abbott and many of the locals have responded as buffoons, ghouls, or worse.

It's just the idea that there must be someone to blame and the government could have saved almost everyone rings false to me.  It reads as coping, lashing out in anger, etc. 

These were the highest floodwaters in anyone's living memory that came up in the dead of night at the start of a holiday weekend.  How many people were drinking that night?  Many people probably thought they were on high enough ground.  Cut the death toll in half, which is about the best case scenario I can imagine, and it would have still been the deadliest disaster in Texas of our lifetimes.

If you don't know what you're arguing, maybe you should stop arguing it. 

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  3. Adjust your preference.
Chrome (Desktop)
  1. Click the padlock icon in the address bar.
  2. Select Site settings.
  3. Find Notifications and adjust your preference.