March 26, 20187 yr 4 minutes ago, texasstrong12 said: Kam McGusty is transferring from OU. OU is likely to be terrible next year. They'll piece together something and be only a little bit horrible
March 26, 20187 yr Author Looks like OU is going to lose more. Edited March 26, 20187 yr by texasstrong12
March 26, 20187 yr So with OU in total disarray, will we finish above them? I'll believe it when I see it.
March 26, 20187 yr 16 minutes ago, Gut Wagon said: So with OU in total disarray, will we finish above them? I'll believe it when I see it. We did better than them this season, when they weren't in total disarray.
March 26, 20187 yr 1 minute ago, Machinator said: We did better than them this season, when they weren't in total disarray. I know. But even if they're in total disarray next year, I'm not sure I see us as clearly better. Sure hope we are, but lots of work to be done. Krueger has a good bit more experience at rounding random parts into a team than Shaka does.
March 26, 20187 yr Author OU is headed for dead last in the Big 12 unless they add some grad transfers.
March 26, 20187 yr 5 minutes ago, texasstrong12 said: OU is headed for dead last in the Big 12 unless they add some grad transfers. Or JUCOs.
March 26, 20187 yr Author Zhaire Smith is popping up in the first round of several mock drafts. Tech is already losing a lot. It could be a total rebuild in year 3 for Beard.
March 26, 20187 yr 1 hour ago, Gut Wagon said: I know. But even if they're in total disarray next year, I'm not sure I see us as clearly better. Sure hope we are, but lots of work to be done. Krueger has a good bit more experience at rounding random parts into a team than Shaka does. what? how do you not see us clearly better? we are returning everyone with the exception of Bamba, Young, and maybe eric davis, Jones could be back next year, sims and coleman will both be elite talents next year. we have good freshman talent coming in. we will have more depth than them have Naz long coming in. we are stronger at every position on the roster...
March 26, 20187 yr 23 minutes ago, texasstrong12 said: Zhaire Smith is popping up in the first round of several mock drafts. Tech is already losing a lot. It could be a total rebuild in year 3 for Beard. He's not leaving this year,
March 26, 20187 yr 10 minutes ago, Guest davidtcch5 said: what? how do you not see us clearly better? we are returning everyone with the exception of Bamba, Young, and maybe eric davis, Jones could be back next year, sims and coleman will both be elite talents next year. we have good freshman talent coming in. we will have more depth than them have Naz long coming in. we are stronger at every position on the roster... Still have Shaka coaching.
March 26, 20187 yr 2 hours ago, Gut Wagon said: So with OU in total disarray, will we finish above them? I'll believe it when I see it. We did this year. I’d expect us to next year also
March 26, 20187 yr 2 hours ago, taybo20 said: We did this year. I’d expect us to next year also As noted, I sure hope we do but would like to see more sign of progress. We’re losing arguably as much as OU, and we don’t have what I’d call a coaching edge. We’ll see.
March 26, 20187 yr 3 hours ago, Dirk X West said: He's not leaving this year, Why wouldn't he? Go get paid. Come back and finish in his own time.
March 26, 20187 yr Author If Smith is being projected as a first round pick he's likely gone. Obviously there's examples where some college players stay in school, but I wouldn't bet on it.
March 26, 20187 yr 1 hour ago, Gut Wagon said: As noted, I sure hope we do but would like to see more sign of progress. We’re losing arguably as much as OU, and we don’t have what I’d call a coaching edge. We’ll see. In terms of what that kid did for ousux, I think they lose more. Which is why I expect is to finish ahead of them. but if you are looking for progress, finishing ahead of ousux is setting the bar too low imo
March 27, 20187 yr 2 hours ago, slorch said: Why wouldn't he? Go get paid. Come back and finish in his own time. He's not ready to play in the NBA, and he knows it. I know lots of guys are tempted by the money - and I don't know what his family background is money wise - but after another year of college, where he'll be the star of the team, he'll be a lot better player. We'll see, but lots of people are saying that behind the scenes he's telling people he's staying.
March 27, 20187 yr 11 minutes ago, Dirk X West said: He's not ready to play in the NBA, and he knows it. I know lots of guys are tempted by the money - and I don't know what his family background is money wise - but after another year of college, where he'll be the star of the team, he'll be a lot better player. We'll see, but lots of people are saying that behind the scenes he's telling people he's staying. that same argument could be made for 95% of the guys who leave after a year.
March 27, 20187 yr 57 minutes ago, slorch said: If he stays does he have to stay 2 more seasons or did I dream that shit up? Believe that only applies to college baseball.
March 27, 20187 yr 59 minutes ago, BigOrange1 said: that same argument could be made for 95% of the guys who leave after a year. That's true. Again, I know a big part of his decision will be how bad he needs the money. These young guys have to be noticing, though, that a lot of past "one and done" players don't ultimately make it in the NBA. So, do you want one rookie contract and that's it, or do you want to prepare to have a long career? Edited March 27, 20187 yr by Dirk X West
March 27, 20187 yr 14 hours ago, DeadArmadillo said: They'll piece together something and be only a little bit horrible Lol no they won’t. Full dumpster fire.
March 27, 20187 yr 4 hours ago, Dirk X West said: That's true. Again, I know a big part of his decision will be how bad he needs the money. These young guys have to be noticing, though, that a lot of past "one and done" players don't ultimately make it in the NBA. So, do you want one rookie contract and that's it, or do you want to prepare to have a long career? i don't have the numbers on it or anything, but i'd guess that the vast majority of 1 and done guys who have been picked in the first round got a 2nd nba contract.
March 27, 20187 yr 10 hours ago, BigOrange1 said: i don't have the numbers on it or anything, but i'd guess that the vast majority of 1 and done guys who have been picked in the first round got a 2nd nba contract. Yeah, it's an interesting question. I tried searching a little bit to see if anyone's put together some data along these lines, but I couldn't find anything with concrete numbers, just opinions. And, of course, like anything, there are lots of different people who have a financial stake in pushing the narrative that one path to the pros is better than the other. I guess my perception is that, leaving aside transcendent talents who either skipped college or were a one-and-done (like Kobe Bryant or Kevin Durant), who were likely going to be great regardless, most of the others didn't amount to much, but that could just as well be true of guys who did two years or more of college.
March 27, 20187 yr If you're a shoo-in to be drafted, the only reasons to stay in school are: improve your draft stock for the following year and thus earn a fatter contract or you love the college life and realize--with apologies to Frank the Tank--it ain't gonna come around again. Not sure if Zhaire is lottery material, but it's conceivable that he could crack the top half of the first round with a super sophomore season. Dude's a stud.
March 27, 20187 yr 11 minutes ago, Braff Zacklin said: If you're a shoo-in to be drafted, the only reasons to stay in school are: improve your draft stock for the following year and thus earn a fatter contract or you love the college life and realize--with apologies to Frank the Tank--it ain't gonna come around again. Not sure if Zhaire is lottery material, but it's conceivable that he could crack the top half of the first round with a super sophomore season. Dude's a stud. If I was Zhaire, I would wait to see what other underclassmen declare. This could be a pretty deep draft if all the bigs declare.
March 27, 20187 yr Biased, but Zhaire should stay. He needs to improve several areas of his game to make it in the NBA.
March 27, 20187 yr 3 hours ago, Brian Fantana said: Biased, but Zhaire should stay. He needs to improve several areas of his game to make it in the NBA. He's very young. Zhaire doesn't turn 19 til June I believe it is. He of all people could benefit from another year in college.
March 27, 20187 yr Brandon Averette (backup point guard who played lots of minutes) is transferring from OSU. Has two years eligibility left. We have two grad transfers coming in and are pushing hard for a 4 star PG recruit. He had some strengths, but a lot of weaknesses. I think he'll be a good player, but was likely to be a backup the rest of his OSU career. I hope he has a lot of success wherever he goes.
March 29, 20187 yr On 3/26/2018 at 1:13 PM, texasstrong12 said: OU is headed for dead last in the Big 12 unless they add some grad transfers. Next season OU might place 12th out of 10 teams...
March 29, 20187 yr Brandon Averette (backup point guard who played lots of minutes) is transferring from OSU. Has two years eligibility left. We have two grad transfers coming in and are pushing hard for a 4 star PG recruit. He had some strengths, but a lot of weaknesses. I think he'll be a good player, but was likely to be a backup the rest of his OSU career. I hope he has a lot of success wherever he goes.I loved his hustle and heart, but how many times did we see leads evaporating faster than a Shaggy exodus when he was in the game?
March 29, 20187 yr Mike Boynton signs a contract extension with OSU. Six years $11.5 mil. Salary will be $1.6 next year. Sounds about right. Tons of potential, many big time wins, but glad we didn't drop our skirts like we did for Travis Ford. I hope he sticks around and succeeds.
March 29, 20187 yr outside of Kansas, entire conference looks down a bit next year. as that right or just me?
March 29, 20187 yr 1 minute ago, bularry said: outside of Kansas, entire conference looks down a bit next year. as that right or just me? K-State returns everyone, and Iowa State should be better (because they can't get any worse). But yes, next season should be less of a meat-grinder in the league.
March 29, 20187 yr Depending on how graduate transfers and recruits pan out, and if Zhaire Smith stays, Tech could legitimately go 12-deep next year and be an even better team. It could also go the opposite way and have a lot of growing pains. Probably somewhere in the middle.
March 29, 20187 yr 1 hour ago, Brian Fantana said: Depending on how graduate transfers and recruits pan out, and if Zhaire Smith stays, Tech could legitimately go 12-deep next year and be an even better team. It could also go the opposite way and have a lot of growing pains. Probably somewhere in the middle. So you're saying they'll either be really good or really bad, or somewhere in the middle. Where do I send my $9.95?
March 29, 20187 yr So you're saying they'll either be really good or really bad, or somewhere in the middle. Where do I send my $9.95?Somewhere between winless and Super Bowl. I think he’s onto something.
April 4, 20187 yr https://twitter.com/JHoyNBA/status/981337245348134912 "Texas Tech freshman guard Zhaire Smith will declare for the 2018 NBA draft, according to a source. He will not sign with an agent at this time. Smith averaged 11.3 points and 5 rebounds per game and impressed scouts with his athleticism and high-level defense." Edited April 4, 20187 yr by Dirk X West
April 4, 20187 yr Zach Smith did this last year, though he wasn't projected as high. We'll see what he does.
April 4, 20187 yr Author If Smith is a projected first rounder he should take the money while he can. Robert Williams this past year is a perfect example of not cashing in on upside/freakish athleticism while you can. Williams will still go in the first round but he cost himself a lot of money by returning. NBA teams want to see some development in year 2 for college players. Take the money while you can. Edited April 4, 20187 yr by texasstrong12
April 4, 20187 yr Author http://www.nbadraft.net/2018mock_draft Smith is projected #19 here https://www.si.com/nba/2018/04/03/nba-mock-draft-2018-ncaa-tournament-prospects-60-picks #22 here http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2767853-2018-nba-mock-draft-predicting-1st-round-results-post-ncaa-tournament #26 here The thing about Smith is he's going to test through the roof at the combine. I'll be shocked if Smith returns at this point.
April 4, 20187 yr 1 hour ago, longhornmatt said: 6’5 guys who can jump out of the gym aren’t a rarity at the NBA level. Usually it makes sense to take the money and start your pro career once you’re draftable, but Smith probably should wait until he develops more of an offensive game. I doubt he is a first round lock, and even if he does get drafted this year he would probably just pigeonhole himself into some Andre Roberson type role that he may never shake. I'm biased but if he stays, doesn't get hurt, and develops a good offensive game he's a lottery pick. As it stands, his offensive game is nonexistent aside from dunks off basket cuts and putbacks, and decent spot up 3 point shooting. He really needs to develop some weapons to make it in the NBA, otherwise he gets chewed up and spit out because 6'5" guys with personal trampolines are a dime a dozen, as you said.
April 4, 20187 yr Author 35 minutes ago, Brian Fantana said: his offensive game is nonexistent aside from dunks off basket cuts and putbacks that's why he should take the money. Smith is raw as hell and development could go either way. NBA teams see upside because of athleticism which is why his value may never be this high if he doesn't develop. Some guys simply don't develop or improve. That's why when NBA teams are willing to take a player in the 1st round because of raw athleticism, you better take the money while you can. Edited April 4, 20187 yr by texasstrong12
April 4, 20187 yr Author Top 20 scorers in the Big 12 Young (Gone) Evans (Gone) Graham (Gone) Carter (Gone) Wigginton (Returning) Lecomte (Gone) Wade (likely testing waters) Brown (testing waters) Carroll (Gone) Jackson (Gone) Brodziansky (Gone) Mykhailiuk (Gone) Newman (likely testing waters) Osetkowski (returning) Williams (Gone) Smith (Gone) Azubuike (no clue) Bamba (Gone) Miles (Gone) Lual-Acuil (Gone) Edited April 4, 20187 yr by texasstrong12
April 4, 20187 yr Author Newman declared and hired an agent. At least 15 of the top 20 scorers from the Big 12 are now gone.
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