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after 4 games

Rushing yard leaders

  • Gibson 155
  • Manning 123
  • Simon 117
  • Clark 115

Who had that after 4 games? Need to get our 1st team RBs healthy

 

Nice having DeAndre Moore back as well. Made a difference in the passing game Saturday.

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1 minute ago, DFW Horn said:

 

Do y'all think we'd recruit Shipley if he had too many kicks blocked at TXST due to a low trajectory? How many were blocked last year? 

I don't know, I don't have a fucking encyclopedic knowledge of Texas State football statistics for 2024. I do feel like it's safe to say that Shipley will consistently be playing taller, faster, more athletic players this season than he did last year, who can potentially do things like jump higher with longer arms.  

2 minutes ago, SydneyCarton said:

I don't know, I don't have a fucking encyclopedic knowledge of Texas State football statistics for 2024. I do feel like it's safe to say that Shipley will consistently be playing taller, faster, more athletic players this season than he did last year, who can potentially do things like jump higher with longer arms.  

True, but I've gotta believe we have technology that can assess things like trajectory and velocity on kicks. Similar to a golf monitor. Surely, Banks looked into those metrics too. Right?

12 minutes ago, yoladu said:

after 4 games

Rushing yard leaders

  • Gibson 155
  • Manning 123
  • Simon 117
  • Clark 115

Who had that after 4 games? Need to get our 1st team RBs healthy

 

Nice having DeAndre Moore back as well. Made a difference in the passing game Saturday.

I just want to see more of Simon. No idea if he sucks in pass pro, but he has been the most impressive RB for me this season. Ill be the first to admit it is a small sample size, but I would like to see if it is more than just that. 

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4 minutes ago, DFW Horn said:

True, but I've gotta believe we have technology that can assess things like trajectory and velocity on kicks. Similar to a golf monitor. Surely, Banks looked into those metrics too. Right?

I'm not confident in making that assumption based on what we've seen from Banks over the last couple of years. 

4 minutes ago, Codaxx said:

I just want to see more of Simon. No idea if he sucks in pass pro, but he has been the most impressive RB for me this season. Ill be the first to admit it is a small sample size, but I would like to see if it more than just that. 

Simon has gotta lead the RBs in both YPC and YAC thus far, right? No, I didn't look it up yet.

1 minute ago, DFW Horn said:

Simon has gotta lead the RBs in both YPC and YAC thus far, right? No, I didn't look it up yet.

Wisner is #1 with 5.0, which is sad. (The 5.0 being sad. After 3 cupcakes, you would hope multiple people would be up around 6)

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3 minutes ago, Park Gothic said:

I'm not confident in making that assumption based on what we've seen from Banks over the last couple of years. 

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Wisner is #1 with 5.0, which is sad. (The 5.0 being sad. After 3 cupcakes, you would hope multiple people would be up around 6)

And Wisner’s one game was Ohio State.

So there is a bye week press conference. I like his shirt. 

11 minutes ago, Red Five said:


And Wisner’s one game was Ohio State.

vs light boxes that led to 0 scores. So YIPPEEE!!!

I have Simon so high, because he had 67 yards after contact and 5 broken tackles in his debut vs UTEP. That was impressive, since he had 17 carries for 67 yards. 

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I'm not as down on the run game as y'all are. Maybe I'm being naive, but Clark and Gibson seem improved since last week. Wisner and Baxter are known quantities and good RBs, if somewhat limited. Simon looks to be the next bellcow. 

Run blocking needs to improve but getting Stroh off the line will probably help with that. I can see a lineup with Hutson at RG and Robertson at C being what we need to finally have the OL all on the same page. 

They're still weak at the point of attack and lack any kind of push in clear running situations. But that's the same shit as the last several seasons. And our running was more or less fine. Not elite, but good enough to win and make the CFP. 

I guess what I'm saying is the ceiling is still limited, but the floor is higher than I thought it would be after last week. 

1 minute ago, Park Gothic said:

I'm not as down on the run game as y'all are. Maybe I'm being naive, but Clark and Gibson seem improved since last week. Wisner and Baxter are known quantities and good RBs, if somewhat limited. Simon looks to be the next bellcow. 

Run blocking needs to improve but getting Stroh off the line will probably help with that. I can see a lineup with Hutson at RG and Robertson at C being what we need to finally have the OL all on the same page. 

They're still weak at the point of attack and lack any kind of push in clear running situations. But that's the same shit as the last several seasons. And our running was more or less fine. Not elite, but good enough to win and make the CFP. 

I guess what I'm saying is the ceiling is still limited, but the floor is higher than I thought it would be after last week. 

Clark definitely ran the plays how they're supposed to be run and blocked, IMO. Not as much hesitation. Of course, the holes were bigger and easier to see too.

Gibson seemed to run thru contact better with more lean. 

16 hours ago, Hermanator said:

In what world is OU's offense way ahead of ours? They've looked pretty bad in their games, and that's with their QB playing well and not having the yips. 

Right now that game is a toss up. Depends on which Arch shows up, and which team can decently run it. 

We actually average more per game than they do on offense now. Granted they get Kent State soon, so that should help their averages across the board.  They did need the refs help against Auburn to around 20 points to barely survive a team without a QB.

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7 minutes ago, DFW Horn said:

Clark definitely ran the plays how they're supposed to be run and blocked, IMO. Not as much hesitation. Of course, the holes were bigger and easier to see too.

Gibson seemed to run thru contact better with more lean. 

Waiting to see Clark's lateral cutting ability to show up in missed tackles. He seems to go down at first contact. You can see his cutting ability but waiting to see it translate. 

2 minutes ago, Codaxx said:

Waiting to see Clark's lateral cutting ability to show up in missed tackles. He seems to go down at first contact. You can see his cutting ability but waiting to see it translate. 

Yeah, I don't remember seeing any jump cuts from him against SHSU. At least he's running the plays correctly now.

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Florida game is 2:30 on either ABC or ESPN. 

43 minutes ago, Park Gothic said:

I'm not as down on the run game as y'all are. Maybe I'm being naive, but Clark and Gibson seem improved since last week. Wisner and Baxter are known quantities and good RBs, if somewhat limited. Simon looks to be the next bellcow. 

Run blocking needs to improve but getting Stroh off the line will probably help with that. I can see a lineup with Hutson at RG and Robertson at C being what we need to finally have the OL all on the same page. 

They're still weak at the point of attack and lack any kind of push in clear running situations. But that's the same shit as the last several seasons. And our running was more or less fine. Not elite, but good enough to win and make the CFP. 

I guess what I'm saying is the ceiling is still limited, but the floor is higher than I thought it would be after last week. 

I don't think we can take much, at all, away from the SHSU game. They're horrendous. 

Otherwise, it was nice to see Arch not bouncing passes all over the place.

True, but I've gotta believe we have technology that can assess things like trajectory and velocity on kicks. Similar to a golf monitor. Surely, Banks looked into those metrics too. Right?

You’re braver than I am if you trust Banks to look into anything.
Just now, Jkwellborn said:


You’re braver than I am if you trust Banks to look into anything.

That's been pointed out to me a couple of times. I guess expecting a coach to do his due diligence on an important player is asking too much. Measureables like launch angle for kicks are probably beyond his grasp.

4 minutes ago, Jkwellborn said:


You’re braver than I am if you trust Banks to look into anything.

We should definitely have a special teams coordinator considering there is no limit to coaches now.

8 minutes ago, BurntOrange&White said:

We should definitely have a special teams coordinator considering there is no limit to coaches now.

 

I thought the same thing when watching SNF last night, and they were showing Kansas City’s ST Coordinator.

”Why can’t we do that too?”

3 minutes ago, Fondren & Main said:

Gibson should be RB3.  He's the toughest to bring down out of all of our running backs.

Everyone is going to say that until he fumbles again. 

4 minutes ago, Fondren & Main said:

Gibson should be RB3.  He's the toughest to bring down out of all of our running backs.

Nah, I'd go with Simon unless you're in 3rd & long and need a RB for max protect. Blue wasn't good at blocking, either. I hope the kid has good hands. I see he's caught 2 passes for a whopping 2 yards, total.

15 minutes ago, Fondren & Main said:

Gibson should be RB3.  He's the toughest to bring down out of all of our running backs.

I am clearly on the Simon band wagon for now. He shows excellent vision running zone, he always falls forward, and has broken more tackles than any other RB on the year (at least that was the case coming into the SHSU game). He seems to be the most versatile of the RBs, not names Wisner and Baxter. Blocking could move Gibson above him. 

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22 hours ago, ztejas said:

I think I phrased the point poorly. I'm aware that Schloss isn't calling shots when it comes to Texas football. 

Sark knows that the kid is dual-sport and probably treats him as a football player accordingly. I guarantee Schloss would say something if Jonah got thrown out there for punt duties - whether or not it's his decision at the end of the day. 

Schloss’ opinion of what Sark does with a football/baseball player is inconsequential. Schloss isn’t calling Sark about it, and is going to do whatever the fuck he wants, and he should. 

Some OL PFF Grades: 

Daniel Cruz: 61. 1

Nick Brooks: 71.2

Nate Kibble: 56.7

Goosby: 64.7

Robertson: 51.8

Campbell: 71.2

Baker: 69.2

Stroh: 63.5

Nice opening game for Nick Brooks according to PFF. 

23 hours ago, Skipper said:

Listened to the Sunday Sirius XM show this AM driving back to Dallas.  Not much horns talk obviously but they didn't give Arch or the horns much credit for the blowout given the opponent which is fair.  But then went on to say how Texas will be fortunate to win one of their next 2.  Talked about how Florida is really solid on D and will be tough for us to score in the Swamp.  Then talked about how much better OU and Mateer is offensively than Texas is and how OU should be favored.  I don't take exception to any of those points independently.  But they did not say a single word about the Texas defense.  It's kind of amazing how from the national perspective the only story is Arch and our offense (and we've pretty much been written off given the struggles) and everyone has somehow forgotten we have an elite defense.  

If we handle Florida, and I expect a blowout, we will be a 5-7 point favorite over OU. With a win of any kind in Gainesville, we will be a favorite in Dallas. Because Vegas isn’t moronic. 

It amazes me how absolute anyone can be after the very beginning of a season, much less every sports media member. What I saw this weekend was an exorcism for Arch, who very much needed one, and the opponent did not matter.  I also saw the struggle of a better-than-expected OU squad over a marginal Auburn squad. 

5 minutes ago, Codaxx said:

Some OL PFF Grades: 

Daniel Cruz: 61. 1

Nick Brooks: 71.2

Nate Kibble: 56.7

Goosby: 64.7

Robertson: 51.8

Campbell: 71.2

Baker: 69.2

Stroh: 63.5

Nice opening game for Nick Brooks according to PFF. 

Those are pretty terrible grades overall given SHSU was the opponent.

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I disagree with the notion that we can't learn anything about a team in a game against an opponent like SHSU. 

Arch was able to throw a 60 yard pass in stride. He was able to throw a 25 yard pass between the linebacker and safety. He was able to accurately place the 10 yard hitch off the rpo.  These are things we needed to see before the bye. They are also things that translate in any game.

If the whole game was Arch completing low, inaccurate passes to wide open receivers like on the first drive, I'd get it. But I'd say we saw an improved version of Arch versus a cupcake from what we saw against UTSA and ULM last year, which is what you would have expected before the trainwreck start. 

20 minutes ago, Codaxx said:

Some OL PFF Grades: 

Daniel Cruz: 61. 1

Nick Brooks: 71.2

Nate Kibble: 56.7

Goosby: 64.7

Robertson: 51.8

Campbell: 71.2

Baker: 69.2

Stroh: 63.5

Nice opening game for Nick Brooks according to PFF. 

Did Neto not play at all? Truly bizarre if not, he's looked fairly capable when he's been in there. Feels like there's a solid OL in here somewhere, but not sure they've found the right combo yet. I feel pretty good about Goosby, Campbell and Baker. 

6 minutes ago, Jimmy Two Times said:

Did Neto not play at all? Truly bizarre if not, he's looked fairly capable when he's been in there. Feels like there's a solid OL in here somewhere, but not sure they've found the right combo yet. I feel pretty good about Goosby, Campbell and Baker. 

62.4 grade vs SHSU. I have given up hope he will ever be seen again. 25 snaps

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2 hours ago, Jkwellborn said:


You’re braver than I am if you trust Banks to look into anything.

 I would hope the bare minimum would be during practice they set up obstructions with close to a worse case scenario - a 6'-8" lineman's typical vertical leap that has penetrated 2 yards beyond the line of scrimmage.

hell, soccer teams have these.

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1 hour ago, Cruz in Aledo said:

If we handle Florida, and I expect a blowout, we will be a 5-7 point favorite over OU. With a win of any kind in Gainesville, we will be a favorite in Dallas. Because Vegas isn’t moronic. 

It amazes me how absolute anyone can be after the very beginning of a season, much less every sports media member. What I saw this weekend was an exorcism for Arch, who very much needed one, and the opponent did not matter.  I also saw the struggle of a better-than-expected OU squad over a marginal Auburn squad. 

Disagree. I think OU will enter the game as a favorite no matter what happens. With all of the national media bullshit about Arch over the last two weeks, every talking head on the planet is going to say that Mateer is the better QB in this game even if he balls out at Florida, and hence will be the favorite. They are going to look at 10 sacks versus Auburn and think that their defense is more disruptive. It is lazy analysis, but that will drive the opening lines. 

1 hour ago, Codaxx said:

I am clearly on the Simon band wagon for now. He shows excellent vision running zone, he always falls forward, and has broken more tackles than any other RB on the year (at least that was the case coming into the SHSU game). He seems to be the most versatile of the RBs, not names Wisner and Baxter. Blocking could move Gibson above him. 

Yes, he looks good as well.  What I find encouraging about Gibson is that when the play is blown up 3 gang tacklers cannot get him on the ground.  His fucking legs looks like tree trunks too.  Can we put super glue on his gloves so he won’t fumble?  Kidding…sort of.

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2 minutes ago, Vertigo said:

Disagree. I think OU will enter the game as a favorite no matter what happens. With all of the national media bullshit about Arch over the last two weeks, every talking head on the planet is going to say that Mateer is the better QB in this game even if he balls out at Florida, and hence will be the favorite. They are going to look at 10 sacks versus Auburn and think that their defense is more disruptive. It is lazy analysis, but that will drive the opening lines. 

it's Vegas, the line ultimately is dispassionately set by the betting action.

the house always wins.

 

1 hour ago, Codaxx said:

Some OL PFF Grades: 

Daniel Cruz: 61. 1

Nick Brooks: 71.2

Nate Kibble: 56.7

Goosby: 64.7

Robertson: 51.8

Campbell: 71.2

Baker: 69.2

Stroh: 63.5

Nice opening game for Nick Brooks according to PFF. 

The OU Dline is going to destroy that group of scrubs. 

5 hours ago, Navin R. Johnson said:

Brady Sarkisian is our best linebacker. Change my mind.

He reminds me of Scott Derry.

8 minutes ago, 6th Street said:

The OU Dline is going to destroy that group of scrubs. 

Gonna cause 3 stomach ulcers I fear

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1 hour ago, fellside said:

I disagree with the notion that we can't learn anything about a team in a game against an opponent like SHSU. 

Arch was able to throw a 60 yard pass in stride. He was able to throw a 25 yard pass between the linebacker and safety. He was able to accurately place the 10 yard hitch off the rpo.  These are things we needed to see before the bye. They are also things that translate in any game.

If the whole game was Arch completing low, inaccurate passes to wide open receivers like on the first drive, I'd get it. But I'd say we saw an improved version of Arch versus a cupcake from what we saw against UTSA and ULM last year, which is what you would have expected before the trainwreck start. 

I got to see the game live from my perch high above the North endzone with the rest of the poor but faithful.

I wanted to take a win as a given, and to try and watch critically. I was happy to see us put the defense out on the field first, and of course, the defense did exactly what we've come to expect. 

When Texas got the ball, my stomach sank as Arch promptly did what we're used to from him. His feet were happy. He jittered around. He tossed passes at odd arm angles. One hit the OL and was lucky to be incomplete instead of a short-field INT. The OL put the offense behind the sticks with penalties. The usual.

Arch then started with baby steps. His passes hit stationary receivers in the knees. They were able to grab them for 1st downs. Then, he was hitting receivers in the hands on curl routes. Small flats. Easy outs. He tried one deep out (right hash to far left boundary) and sailed it 3 feet wide. Came back and hit the same out perfectly. Moved on to crossers. Hit moving targets in front in the hands. Slants on time and in rhythm. He was largely moving through the WR passing tree.

Coming out of halftime, was the 9 route to Wingo. A little uncertain, but took the correctly necessary crow-hop to fling a ball that went directly over 1's shoulder into the basket (Wingo's gotta start grabbing passes with hands and not body them). Directly after, he relied on instinct to smash a quick slant fastball to Wingo as pressure got home. Touchdown.

Yeah, it's a sample size of one, against one of the weakest teams in FBS. However, the opponent didn't cause the struggles over the last 2 games. Arch can clearly do the job when he stays out of his own head.

47 minutes ago, Vertigo said:

Disagree. I think OU will enter the game as a favorite no matter what happens. With all of the national media bullshit about Arch over the last two weeks, every talking head on the planet is going to say that Mateer is the better QB in this game even if he balls out at Florida, and hence will be the favorite. They are going to look at 10 sacks versus Auburn and think that their defense is more disruptive. It is lazy analysis, but that will drive the opening lines. 

Talking heads and Vegas do not analyze matchups the same way. 

34 minutes ago, BurgleBro said:

Gonna cause 3 stomach ulcers I fear

And a air embolism.  Lulz.

52 minutes ago, 6th Street said:

The OU Dline is going to destroy that group of scrubs. 

We’ll see. Ohio State sure didn’t.

7 hours ago, BurgleBro said:

Is it just me or does Mason Shipley seem to hook every single ball that comes off of his foot?   Pretty nervous that he hasn't had a chance to hit a high stakes FG under pressure yet

 

Id be more nervous if this had been necessary up to this point (OSU aside)

Just saw an article about the Cotton Bowl spruce up being completed. Not too bad tbh, but my expectations weren't sky high because of the price.

This means we're mudholing the cheating gooners this year, right?

3 hours ago, Codaxx said:

Some OL PFF Grades: 

Daniel Cruz: 61. 1

Nick Brooks: 71.2

Nate Kibble: 56.7

Goosby: 64.7

Robertson: 51.8

Campbell: 71.2

Baker: 69.2

Stroh: 63.5

Nice opening game for Nick Brooks according to PFF. 

For those who need a reference on how their scale works:

PFF FC's Grading System: A Deep Dive into Player Evaluation — PFF FC BLOG

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