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12 hours ago, BurgleBro said:

Has anyone asked Bobby or the OTF crew why we don't use the fattest, largest, meanest player on the DL to become our short yardage back?  That would at least soak up some carries....

Ian, what are you doing here? 

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16 hours ago, Dbeasy said:

My biased view of the RB room:

Wisner - great after contact, great at cutbacks, pretty slow, reliable, good attitude. Solid contributor but not Ricky Williams, obviously. 

Baxter - showed a few tiny flashes as a freshman but basically a non factor until there’s evidence he can not only get on the field, but also produce. I’m skeptical.

Gibson - the fumbling is slightly less of an issue than it was and there were a few tiny flashes at times, but also a lot of bury his head into the line and gain 1. I think he’s got something but he needs a fresh start I guess.

Simon - flashed several times but obviously still learning protections, etc.  I’d like to see him get more carries. 

Clark - just meh. Average at everything. 

Ricky Stewart - whispers of an issue there?

Thin RB room, yet again. 

The staff has to figure out a solid #2 in this group for this year. I like Baxter, but its just hard to depend on him this year. Simon is leading the team in Yards/Rush, but he has 3 carries the last 2 games, so you cannot make any kind of judgement based on that. He looked vs UTEP and SHSU, but I would like to see it vs a P4 opponent. Might need to use this UK game to figure out/develop the #2 RB. Clark seems to have the best cutting ability of the group, but he tends to cut to nowhere. He has 2 carries the last 2 games. Wisner wore down last year. They need to find someone to help carry the load. I wouldnt mind seeing Wisner getting a light workload vs UK (assuming the score allows it). HE probably could use it after OU. 

5 minutes ago, ClubWhatever said:

Every year, take at least one RB out of the portal.  Best who will sign, regardless of how many RBs are on your roster.  They are just so prone to injury and flake out and there are so many of them.

Yeah I was hoping for a Silas Bolden or Jayden Blue out of the portal this year, but nope, we got prayers that Baxter would be healthy and Mosley...

Thank God it seems like Moore and Wingo are finally starting to vibe with Arch and contributing. Can't just rely on the creatine caucasians Livingstone and Endries all the time.

Sark used a lot of 2 TE sets and seems to be a little more comfortable giving the rock to Washington as well. Still not really seeing where adding 2 TE is getting more guys in the box and opening up passing lanes though. Need to actually fully punish teams for playing a light box with those 2 TE sets or just go spread. 

4 minutes ago, Codaxx said:

The staff has to figure out a solid #2 in this group for this year. I like Baxter, but its just hard to depend on him this year. Simon is leading the team in Yards/Rush, but he has 3 carries the last 2 games, so you cannot make any kind of judgement based on that. He looked vs UTEP and SHSU, but I would like to see it vs a P4 opponent. Might need to use this UK game to figure out/develop the #2 RB. Clark seems to have the best cutting ability of the group, but he tends to cut to nowhere. He has 2 carries the last 2 games. Wisner wore down last year. They need to find someone to help carry the load. I wouldnt mind seeing Wisner getting a light workload vs UK (assuming the score allows it). HE probably could use it after OU. 

Maybe somehow Nibblet puts it together finally and we can use him on some Jayden Blue type plays.. Isn't he a RB/WR hybrid? 

Yeah, I expect Nibblet to get a few more touches a game. Clark feels like nothing more than a blocking/receiving back right now. 

James Simon, time to shine. 

 

22 minutes ago, Hard Times said:

Texas had a great run so maybe a couple of 4*'s that are really 3 at best is probably expected. Certainly Roschon, Brooks and Wisner exceeded expectations and there should've been a special 6* for Bijan. But I have to say none of Baxter, Gibson, Clark looked like difference makers when I watched their video.

I wasn't counting any of Roschon, Brooks, or Bijan because they weren't recruited by this staff. This staff has taken 7 RBs out of HS since Sark got here.  Of those 7 guys, one is a hit (Wisner), 2 are already busts (Gibson, Stewart), 3 are incomplete due to injury/too early (Baxter, Clark, Simon), and it's debatable whether you consider Blue a hit or miss. He gave us good production his final year, but his overall production during his time here was very underwhelming for his ranking. 

There's no doubt we've had terrible injury luck at RB. The staff was raving about both Baxter and Clark, but injuries haven't given us a chance to actually know how good they could've been, and it's possible neither guy will ever be the same after their injuries. Simon looks like he has good potential to be a hit, but only getting one clear hit in 4 years while taking 7 RBs, 4 of whom were very highly rated, is not good enough even with bad injury luck factored in. 

31 minutes ago, Burt Macklin said:

Baxter was. Gibson was the 9th RB in the class and 117th overall, so not nearly the same tier as Baxter. Obviously still a bust/miss by the staff, which we've had way too many over the last few years at RB. I remember being fairly underwhelmed by Gibson being our RB1 in that class. His highlights were mostly running through truck-sized holes thanks to IMG's loaded roster. He reminded me of some of the Katy RBs we've seen over the years. 

 

35 minutes ago, lilMAC25 said:

Baxter yes.

Gibson was 3, IIRC

So when does player development on offense come into question?  We have quite a few four star receivers who haven’t played either.   This isn’t on tom Herman anymore right?

Clark can cut on a dime, but like someone else pointed out, the dude cuts INTO trouble all the time. He needs to run with more power too. Hell, every RB in the room needs to run with more power. 
 

Dont have to be Ricky/Earl, but generally falling forward when going down adds a yard to nearly every run. See Benson, Cedric

 

(says the fluffy slow fuck in between sets at the gym)

1 minute ago, Im_smarter_then_you said:

 

So when does player development on offense come into question?  We have quite a few four star receivers who haven’t played either.   This isn’t on tom Herman anymore right?

Herman could recruit the shit out of RBs.

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1 hour ago, Im_smarter_then_you said:

Weren’t both Gibson and Baxter highest rated running backs in their class?

Baxter, yes. Gibson, no. Gibson was behind Taylor Tatum (#1, considered missing and possibly dead), Nate Frazier (#2, should have been #1. Is a baller), #3 Gibson. 

Just to add insult to injury, Caden Durham was #6, Kedren Young #4 (TX kid at ND- zero fumbles), James Peoples #7 (TX kid at Ohio St - zero fumbles. 

Choice fucked up hard. 

14 minutes ago, Burt Macklin said:

I wasn't counting any of Roschon, Brooks, or Bijan because they weren't recruited by this staff. This staff has taken 7 RBs out of HS since Sark got here.  Of those 7 guys, one is a hit (Wisner), 2 are already busts (Gibson, Stewart), 3 are incomplete due to injury/too early (Baxter, Clark, Simon), and it's debatable whether you consider Blue a hit or miss. He gave us good production his final year, but his overall production during his time here was very underwhelming for his ranking. 

There's no doubt we've had terrible injury luck at RB. The staff was raving about both Baxter and Clark, but injuries haven't given us a chance to actually know how good they could've been, and it's possible neither guy will ever be the same after their injuries. Simon looks like he has good potential to be a hit, but only getting one clear hit in 4 years while taking 7 RBs, 4 of whom were very highly rated, is not good enough even with bad injury luck factored in. 

maybe Sark was dropping hints when he said hey they fired James Franklin what the fuck is that for the players

Players like I donno Cam Wallace and Corey Smith maybe... they should be a little peeved they fired their coarch mid-season and consider the portal to Tejas

13 minutes ago, Burt Macklin said:

I wasn't counting any of Roschon, Brooks, or Bijan because they weren't recruited by this staff. This staff has taken 7 RBs out of HS since Sark got here.  Of those 7 guys, one is a hit (Wisner), 2 are already busts (Gibson, Stewart), 3 are incomplete due to injury/too early (Baxter, Clark, Simon), and it's debatable whether you consider Blue a hit or miss. He gave us good production his final year, but his overall production during his time here was very underwhelming for his ranking. 

There's no doubt we've had terrible injury luck at RB. The staff was raving about both Baxter and Clark, but injuries haven't given us a chance to actually know how good they could've been, and it's possible neither guy will ever be the same after their injuries. Simon looks like he has good potential to be a hit, but only getting one clear hit in 4 years while taking 7 RBs, 4 of whom were very highly rated, is not good enough even with bad injury luck factored in. 

My comment was just a general comment after a great run, but I agree Sark and co. haven't done to well at RB. No school has a great RB every year for an extended period in time. RB has certainly been one of the better positions since I've been watching Texas FB.

As I said, Baxter, Gibson and Clark would not have been at the top of my list. Simon may end up being the best since Bijan, but only slightly better than Wisner. I do believe Cooper can be a difference maker. He looks like the real deal.

48 minutes ago, Chooky said:

Just any butthole? Doesn't seem secure. So many people have buttholes.

I think the only way to be sure is to have to try it on multiple buttholes. 

13 hours ago, HtownHorn said:

Maybe after the Alabama Missouri game Sarkisian starts using Stroh back there.

Lets but the guy who's feet are so bad he trips over them while sitting down to take a shit back there, genius.

12 hours ago, William Bludworth said:

Uh, yes on Hardy. That dude can ball. But is Sark/Scott even intelligent enough to have someone put out feelers? 

Just put Nick Townsend back there and let's fucking roll 

You questioning the intelligence of anyone is laughable. 

15 hours ago, westexhorn said:

Choice RB evaluation looking suspect?

Yes. Big time. 
 

Here's  what we have:
 

Baxter - made of glass (not entirely his fault 
 

Wisner - small (can't take 15-20 carries a game all season, he's not built for that with his frame)

Clark - frosh, learning the game, came back from Achilles tear, so far meh. Same class witg Gibson 

James Simon - will be good, he's still learning to not run into his own blockers, but he's speedy af.

Stewart, Jr - no clue. Probably gone. 

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Just now, SydneyCarton said:

I think the only way to be sure is to have to try it on multiple buttholes. 

Lets but the guy who's feet are so bad he trips over them while sitting down to take a shit back there, genius.

You questioning the intelligence of anyone is laughable. 

I question your intelligence all the time. Between you and I on this site, you may inhale your own farts, squat to pee, and wipe back to front, but pretending to be anything other than a dimwit is what is truly laughable. 

52 minutes ago, billfromlaketravis said:

Ian, what are you doing here? 

Advising PK on how to get the most out of Colin Simmons by shifting him wide as a Jumbo Corner.

Just now, Ben Ficus said:

Advising PK on how to get the most out of Colin Simmons by shifting him wide as a Jumbo Corner.

Fuck that shit. Move him to TE.

1 hour ago, ClubWhatever said:

Every year, take at least one RB out of the portal.  Best who will sign, regardless of how many RBs are on your roster.  They are just so prone to injury and flake out and there are so many of them.

Yeah, I haven't been the biggest fan of our strategy of taking 2 HS running backs every year up to this point. It has clogged the room with unknowns/JAGs (of course, injuries have played a role as mentioned several times in the thread already).

I'm not completely against it some years if you can find guys with 2 different skillsets. Part of the issue we have right now is we don't have a Jaydon Blue or someone with a different skillset to complement the other RBs on the roster. We seem to have a bunch of guys in the room who all kind of offer the same thing.

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Fixing the OL room will go a long way to fixing the RB group. Hopefully that’s the offseason project in the portal.

I know this discussion is focused on RB, but it's hard to separate them from the offense as a whole where evaluations and development haven't been great lately. The defense is loaded and there are really good players coming off the bench. On offense... not so much. Livingstone is about the only guy exceeding expectations. I'd happily trade skill players with Florida, Bama, Ole Miss, and probably others.

16 minutes ago, Hard Times said:

My comment was just a general comment after a great run, but I agree Sark and co. haven't done to well at RB. No school has a great RB every year for an extended period in time. RB has certainly been one of the better positions since I've been watching Texas FB.

As I said, Baxter, Gibson and Clark would not have been at the top of my list. Simon may end up being the best since Bijan, but only slightly better than Wisner. I do believe Cooper can be a difference maker. He looks like the real deal.

I was always a bit puzzled by Choice's evals over some other guys. He seemed to value everything but speed and being a playmaker. Caden Durham was a guy that I was shocked they bypassed for Gibson, considering we were going so heavy on Collin Simmons from the same school. 

55 minutes ago, Zeus said:

Maybe somehow Nibblet puts it together finally and we can use him on some Jayden Blue type plays.. Isn't he a RB/WR hybrid? 

Nibblet is a novelty. You cannot ask him to do more than 3-4 carries and you dont want them between the tackles. 

3 minutes ago, Texasrocks said:

I know this discussion is focused on RB, but it's hard to separate them from the offense as a whole where evaluations and development haven't been great lately. The defense is loaded and there are really good players coming off the bench. On offense... not so much. Livingstone is about the only guy exceeding expectations. I'd happily trade skill players with Florida, Bama, Ole Miss, and probably others.

OL, WR, QB, RB.  All either underdeveloped or lacking in talent.

4 minutes ago, Codaxx said:

Nibblet is a novelty. You cannot ask him to do more than 3-4 carries and you dont want them between the tackles. 

Some dude posted a video or article earlier saying Niblett being on the field is a tell, every time he's on the field the ball has 100% gone in his direction. That shit can't continue to happen. Not sure if it changed in the OU game, I honestly don't remember. 

3 minutes ago, SydneyCarton said:

Some dude posted a video or article earlier saying Niblett being on the field is a tell, every time he's on the field the ball has 100% gone in his direction. That shit can't continue to happen. Not sure if it changed in the OU game, I honestly don't remember. 

Niblett is poor man's Blue, but with a great attitude. He is great if your OL is dominating and his speed becomes a huge asset. Outside of that fairytale, he is going to struggle. Texas has to find someone outside of Wisner that can fall forward and has the vision to find holes vs legit defenses. 

17 minutes ago, Texasrocks said:

I know this discussion is focused on RB, but it's hard to separate them from the offense as a whole where evaluations and development haven't been great lately. The defense is loaded and there are really good players coming off the bench. On offense... not so much. Livingstone is about the only guy exceeding expectations. I'd happily trade skill players with Florida, Bama, Ole Miss, and probably others.

There have been seven offensive players taken in each of the past two drafts.   I don't think we can argue against development so much right now. 

18 hours ago, Park Gothic said:

Maybe I'm misunderstanding, but this video seems like evidence that Baxter is a good back who gets plenty of YAC? Remember that "YAC" is yards after contact, not just broken tackles. Seems like it usually takes multiple defenders tackling Baxter in the body / legs to take him down. Arm tackles weren't doing it. 

Which I generally consider good, hard running. 

Yep. I thought the tape was proving how very good of a runner he is. He has a quick ability at the moment of contact to slip between two tacklers and get a yard or two more falling forward. Cedric Benson was valuable in that way.

Maybe move Michael Terry into the RB room for the rest of the season??

10 minutes ago, Cuernavaca said:

Maybe move Michael Terry into the RB room for the rest of the season??

Bonus is that dude can catch the ball pretty well too.

16 minutes ago, Boko Bevo said:

There have been seven offensive players taken in each of the past two drafts.   I don't think we can argue against development so much right now. 

Also, there's a lot of youngsters at the skill positions right now. I'm going to give it more than a season or two before I declare them busts.

59 minutes ago, SydneyCarton said:
1 hour ago, Chooky said:

people have buttholes.

I think the only way to be sure is to have to try it on multiple buttholes. 

Apple and Samsung will rule the world with all the butthole data. I've always feared the government getting in our buttholes.

Don't respond to this. I can be stupid all day. I've never been above a marathon of stupidity. 

 

18 hours ago, Park Gothic said:

Maybe I'm misunderstanding, but this video seems like evidence that Baxter is a good back who gets plenty of YAC? Remember that "YAC" is yards after contact, not just broken tackles. Seems like it usually takes multiple defenders tackling Baxter in the body / legs to take him down. Arm tackles weren't doing it. 

Which I generally consider good, hard running. 

I like Baxter. He showed signs of being a good back as a freshmen. There was also a lot of "meh" in there also. To be honest, I am not sure what to make of Baxter. He is a very good football player. He blocks at a high level, has good hands, and by all reports has a great attitude. The issue is health. Even as freshmen it felt like he left half the games at some point for some kind of minor injury. I am not sure we have ever seen him at 100% (remember him leaving in the Rice game). No reason to write him off, but at the same time it is really hard to write his name with pen on the depth chart. Kind of view him as a call option for this season. 

31 minutes ago, Cuernavaca said:

Maybe move Michael Terry into the RB room for the rest of the season??

He looked better at rb than wr in high school anyway. 

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Terry's been practicing at RB for the past week+ allegedly. He's getting reps with the better groups there now, apparently. Here's Bobby's thoughts for the day below. Of course he thinks the Kentucky game will be a slog. I've watched UK a couple of times and I don't get it. They look like a team that doesn't like its coach and Stoops looks like he isn't enjoying being there. So they're going to get up for this game? Okay. 

Spoiler

What I mentioned in this column yesterday morning became public by yesterday afternoon.

Sophomore running back Jerrick Gibson has left the program.

Gibson’s role never quite took off at Texas. While some will point to his tendency to fumble, I think it’s actually more definitive than that.

Gibson just wasn’t as good as Tre Wisner and is not appreciatively more talented than Christian Clark or James Simon.

So when you add his propensity to fumble on top of it, Gibson just had no real advantage other than his size over the other runners. Size just isn’t enough to ever be a front-line guy at Texas.

Yet Gibson probably still harbors hope of a being a front-line guy somewhere, thus his decision to transfer.

We wish him nothing but the best of luck.

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In the wake of Gibson’s departure, true freshman Michael Terry saw reps at RB yesterday.

I’m told Terry “looked natural” at the position. This could result in a full-time move for Terry as numbers at the position have dwindled.

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CJ Baxter practiced some yesterday but was not full go.

Baxter had hoped to return this weekend against Kentucky.

I’d cautiously put his return at no better than 50-50.

We’ll see what Steve Sarkisian has to say later today when the SEC releases its initial injury report of the week.

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This weekend, Texas faces a Kentucky offense that will try to mirror the success of Florida.

They have a big running back who is tough to tackle and a quarterback who can be streaky.

They’ll try to stay ahead of the chains and keep the Texas offense on the sideline, keeping the home crowd in the game, too.

The Kentucky defense plays hard and physical. The Texas offense will require a level of consistency and efficiency to be successful against the Wildcats.

Texas 20 - Kentucky 10

 

Terry is certainly intriguing at RB. Have to imagine his pass protection is weak but with his skill set you handle that in the short term by having him as a check down option instead of blocking help if he's in on any pass plays. Let's hope we play well enough to do a much better job using this next 3 game stretch to get talented guys looks instead of doing shit like trying to make Stroh happen. 

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8 minutes ago, Boko Bevo said:

There have been seven offensive players taken in each of the past two drafts.   I don't think we can argue against development so much right now. 

We can argue about literally anything around here. Before we go using NFL draft picks as a measuring stick, I'd like to remind you that JaMarcus Russell was the first pick in the draft...

You can't ignore context. Golden was only at Texas for one season and ran a 4.29 40. He's was getting drafted no matter what. Same with AD Mitchell. Then you have guys like Banks and Worthy who were the best players at their position the day they stepped on campus. They could have played anywhere and done just as well. On the flip side, Cam Williams and Hayden Connor were late round fliers drafted on potential rather than production. Ewers would have been drafted higher had he left a year earlier. Helm, Brooks, and Christian Jones were probably the three biggest "successes" the last couple of years. 

We need a running back with breakaway speed that isnt a small framed guy. Someone that can run between tackles, similar to Haynes that transferred from Bama to Michigan. We don’t have a single back like that on the roster. 

1 minute ago, Texasrocks said:

We can argue about literally anything around here. Before we go using NFL draft picks as a measuring stick, I'd like to remind you that JaMarcus Russell was the first pick in the draft...

You can't ignore context. Golden was only at Texas for one season and ran a 4.29 40. He's was getting drafted no matter what. Same with AD Mitchell. Then you have guys like Banks and Worthy who were the best players at their position the day they stepped on campus. They could have played anywhere and done just as well. On the flip side, Cam Williams and Hayden Connor were late round fliers drafted on potential rather than production. Ewers would have been drafted higher had he left a year earlier. Helm, Brooks, and Christian Jones were probably the three biggest "successes" the last couple of years. 

In any context it's hard to make an argument that a team with 14 offensive draft selections over two years, which also made the NCAA semifinals in those two years is missing evals and not developing players adequately.   Performance on the field and NFL Draft success are probably the best KPIs for both evaluation and development.  I don't want to die on any hills, but I feel pretty comfortable with that. 

7 minutes ago, Huckleberry said:

...  doing shit like trying to make Stroh happen. 

This pissed off a lot of people.

I understand the need to keep "culture" pointed the right direction, and I understand the likely greater Sarkian sensitivity to an alcohol-related incident, but punishing your team by sitting a player for something that happened six months ago seems short-sighted. I hope there were other reason(s) for leaving Stroh out there stumbling and bumbling around.

I just wonder if the culture issue was finally deemed taken care of or if it was a matter of realizing that either the OL got fixed and we let DWI-boy play or we might as well kiss our goals goodbye.

Anyway, it looks a hell of a lot better now.

Hook'em

 

Terry is a redzone threat receiver if I ever saw one. He’s not fast at all, not shifty in the open field, not great at getting open. But he’s one of those guys that can find the end zone no matter where he is. He kind of reminds me of a taller Fozzy Whittaker.

7 minutes ago, Tex Long said:

This pissed off a lot of people.

I understand the need to keep "culture" pointed the right direction, and I understand the likely greater Sarkian sensitivity to an alcohol-related incident, but punishing your team by sitting a player for something that happened six months ago seems short-sighted. I hope there were other reason(s) for leaving Stroh out there stumbling and bumbling around.

I just wonder if the culture issue was finally deemed taken care of or if it was a matter of realizing that either the OL got fixed and we let DWI-boy play or we might as well kiss our goals goodbye.

Anyway, it looks a hell of a lot better now.

Hook'em

 

It’s even more retarded when you play a guy who got his more recently sooner. 

1 hour ago, Chooky said:

Apple and Samsung will rule the world with all the butthole data. I've always feared the government getting in our buttholes.

Don't respond to this. I can be stupid all day. I've never been above a marathon of stupidity. 

 

How many cheese pun and geography derails have we endured over the years. Lets talk about government butthole probing on CTJ's phone. Fuck it. 

13 minutes ago, Helobious said:

Terry is a redzone threat receiver if I ever saw one. He’s not fast at all, not shifty in the open field, not great at getting open. But he’s one of those guys that can find the end zone no matter where he is. He kind of reminds me of a taller Fozzy Whittaker.

Shut the fuck up Drew Helobious…

 

247 says he has a 10.8 100 meter time.

 

https://247sports.com/Player/Michael-Terry-III-46118182/

Edited by lilMAC25

27 minutes ago, BurntOrange&White said:

We need a running back with breakaway speed that isnt a small framed guy. Someone that can run between tackles, similar to Haynes that transferred from Bama to Michigan. We don’t have a single back like that on the roster. 

I think Cooper is that. Similar to Jamal, maybe not as fast.

Just now, Hard Times said:

I think Cooper is that. Similar to Jamal, maybe not as fast.

Yes but rely on a unproven true freshmen? CJ hasn’t made a year fully healthy. 
 

Potential 2026 RB roster with no portal:

Wisner - Only proven back

CJ - always injured

Clark - unproven

Simon - unproven 

Cooper - True Freshmen, unproven 

 

 

5 minutes ago, Helobious said:

I watched him play in high school. He doesn’t have any football speed at all, he plays big and slow.

Sorry he’s not a 5’5 valley Mexican that looks like he’s speedy Gonzalez when he’s actually slow. 

2 minutes ago, BurntOrange&White said:

Sorry he’s not a 5’5 valley Mexican that looks like he’s speedy Gonzalez when he’s actually slow. 

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